The Greeks were well known for their love of boys, with pederasty being an institutionalized practice which served the purpose of educating boys. Sex with boys was common in Rome. The ancient Celts practiced it according to ancient sources. Ritualized pederasty existed amongst the Samurai and Buddhist monks in Japan. The Chinese and the Koreans practiced it. Pederasty was widespread in Tibet when the German expedition went there in 1938. It was observed among indigenous Siberians before their culture was destroyed by Russian expansion.It was common amongst the Ancient Persians. Even in the Moslem world it was tolerated. It was popular in Turkey historically. More recently, it has existed in Afghanistan.Court records from renaissance Florence show that the majority of the men in the city had sexual relations with boys. Even in Christian Europe, pederasty was considered common in Italy, being called the "Italian vice".Roughly 20% of Papua New Guinean tribes traditionally practiced ritualized pederasty. It was observed among various Australian Aboriginal tribes.It was reported amongst the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans, and has been present among many South American tribes.Pederasty wasn't construed as harmful or perverted in most of these societies, and oftentimes pederasty was celebrated as a superior form of love. Yet today, pederasty is no longer visibly present in any of these cultures.Two main questions arise from these observations:(1) What changes occurred socially that caused the decline of pederasty among all these cultures?(2) Does historical pederasty in a vast array of societies support the notion of a normative male attraction to boys?
Paganism.
>>17973687POST YER FAGGOTY SHIT IN THE FAGGOT FORUM YOU FAGGOT
Perversion is not "normal". It wasn't okay even among most Romans and Greeks. You can't justify sodomizing a younger male and say that it's somehow a good thing because "muh dik bix nood also das be how males be bonding 'n shieet". You are corrupting them on a spiritual level too. What's the point of this thread? You are here to have historical fantasies of shotas pleasuring fat sick fucks? Japan deserves a third nuke btw.
>>17973845>>17974155>nooo I don't like that historical topic stop talking about it
>>17974212What is there to talk about except for "muh dik", dude? They were addicted to boypussy, that's it.
>>17973687Dude you fucked off for a month and it was so peaceful, you are genuinely as bad as Simon with this shit, just go back to your containment /cm/ thread.
>>17974216What factors caused the decline of socially accepted, widespread pederasty in these cultures, and what factors were responsible for male attraction to young boys in these cultures in the first place? Can these factors which caused men to be attracted to boys in these historical societies be extrapolated to the current day, providing support for a normative male attraction to boys?
Romans 1 explains this, evil men who hate God and suppress the truth about Him by worshipping idols are given over to a reprobate mind to become more and more corrupt and depraved in their spirits, even committing crimes against nature
>>17975528But the Christians did it as well.
>>17975613False professors of faith, confessing Christ with their lips, but not being regenerate in their hearts. Or Christians who in a moment of great weakness succumbed to temptations of the flesh which were born in their former life in the flesh when they were strangers from the covenant and children of wrath. Not to be tolerated under any circumstances.
>>17975613It's literally a mortal sin in Christianity, by definition anyone who did this and did not confess is burning in hell. There is no obscure doctrine or "forgotten" verse that says its ok, no denominations even that ever taught heterodox on this matter. It was and always will be viewed as horrendously evil.
>>17975868>It's literally a mortal sin in ChristianityBut it's still an irresistible temptation, even for the most pious of Christcucks. This suggests something about male psychology which modern man is uncomfortable about admitting...
>>17975903Believe it or not it is not an irresistible temptation for anyone but you. Most people spend absolutely no part of their day fantasizing about little boys or about children regardless. You on the other hand spend the entirety of your hikiNEET life downloading goon mods and watching hardcore gay BDSM porno. In your own head you believe this to be some universal and shared characteristic and you aren't in fact a weird disgusting faggot, but that is delusion on your part.
>>17975926There have been various different cultures throughout history where a large proportion of the male population openly had sexual contact with boys.
>>17975944No there hasn't.
>>17975954Yes there have. Didn't you bother to read the OP?
>>17975965Lets do a headcount:1. A few Native Pacific islanders2. One Italian City (highly taboo)3. Pre-Christian Rome 4. Some Greek Cities 5. The Warlords that America propped up in Afghanistan and were then dealt with harshly upon the Taliban take over6. Your head cannon about cultures that almost no written records remain fromWoah! You wanna know what that list is missing? The entire rest of the fucking world that thought it was disgusting.
>>17975903It only suggests things about sin, evil, and demons
>>17973693Nobody missed Saliva but he returned to spew lies.
>>17975979Those are various different cultures throughout history where a large proportion of the male population openly had sexual contact with boys (even though you omitted half of them mentioned in the OP).Pederasty was present in many European cultures before the arrival of Christianity. Among the two most documented pre-Christian cultures of Europe, we have Greece, where pederasty was widespread, and was an important practice in the majority of well documented cities (which leads historians to conclude that it would have been present in most other cities, which Xenophon himself stated) and Rome, where pederasty did not serve a social function, but where it was undoubtedly present, and where male attraction to boys was not considered abnormal. The Celts were also documented to have practiced pederasty.Rather than being viewed as "disgusting" in the same sense that adult-adult male homosexuality is, it seems that a large proportion of men actually have the capacity to desire sexual contact with boys, and that this natural male capacity for sexual attraction to boys has been suppressed by Judeo-Christian morality and feminism, considering how prevalent pederasty was in pre-Christian, pre-feminist societies.This might make some people uncomfortable to talk about, since anti-pedophilia and the worship of women is so deeply ingrained in our Judeo-Feminist culture, but it makes sense. Boys can be quite beautiful, and lack aversive features that men posses which make them sexually unappealing. Some academics theorize that pederasty has an evolutionary function, considering that male homosexual attraction towards juvenile males is also observed among non-human primates, such as gorillas.
>>17976030Nigger no one gives a shit about your headcannon, you have been BTFO'd on every single point made and frankly no one wants you here. Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>17976045What one of my statements do you believe to be inaccurate?
>>17976047You have made like 50 threads since the outage, literally everyone here knows your arguments and exactly why they are wrong. Just fuck off and be a disgusting faggot somewhere else.
>>17976054Pederasty existed in a wide variety of societies historically and cross-culturally. Are you denying this?
Boys are sometimes indistinguishable from women. So this is only a straight male and woman (especially lesbian or bisexual) problem. Real men fuck those who have already developed muscles.
>>17973687>Sex with boys was common in Rome.You gotta be exact about that - sex with slave infants and children was considered appropriate and the only use those brats could be put to.
>>17975235Newfag here. Who?>>17973693Is it this guy?
"Pederasty" exclusively occured as a permissible social phenomenon in slave societies, specifically the more primitive ones like in Rome or among moslems where slaves were fully subjected to their owners whims. This concept that a person can be a "thing" you "own" created this moral and legal grey zone where deeds that were usually seen as cruel and undesirable, like excessive physical violence, rape, murder and other cruelties were permissible because it was done to ones "property". But even in those societies raping a freeborn or freed person, especially a child, was seen as a grave offense that would be punished with banishment or even death.In the case of sexual slavery it also very much had the same effect on those people that pornography has on us today. With everything available, people become numb to "vanilla" sex and need increasingly deviant acts to feel the same kind of satisfaction. So a young Roman patrician may get bored of his arranged marriage wife and start fornecating with prostitutes, eventually growing bored of this and moving on to bondage and other fetishes to get his kicks in until he would get bored of women altogether and need children to get off, hiding in his villa with his peers enacting the 120 days of sodom because fucking a woman in the vagina just wouldnt do anything for him anymore. Thats why the Ottomans went crazy for their dancing boys or why the Romans had their puer delicati, little boys they would dress like women, because they were hapless porn addicts who couldnt get off to women anymore. Its a disgusting stain on any society that let its people fall into such depravity and the reports of sexual slavery always come from times where a society was stagnate or already declining. Men lusting for young boys instead of women is a good indication of social decline. Expanding, developing, ambitious societies on the other hand already shamed simple adultery because they knew it was a slippery slope.
>>17973687Thinly veiled pedophilia acceptance thread. Please, do something right for once in your life and eat a bunch of rosary peas.
>>17976542 >Thinly veiled pedophilia acceptance threadIts the complete opposite actually. Some may say it might even be bait.
>>17976542Do you believe that pedophilia being common in the past in a vast array of different cultures, including highly respected ones, means that it should be considered acceptable today? Why or why not?
>>17976862It should be punishable by death
Even jesus was caught alledgly didling a boi in the night when he was arrested.Christians say its a metaphor, instead of asking themselves what was jesus doing with a half naked boy in the middle of the night.Cult leaders love to fuck children.It kinda explains it because these people are usually fucked in the brains.Never let your child going in religious trips, theres a high possibility some derranged subhuman who thinks God speaks through him will fuck your child up in the bussy.Look out documentaries on youtube, its filled with these pedarasts.
>>17975613>Christians>Renaissance ItalyDenounced by the well known Savonarola. Another less known figure that lived for a time in Renaissance Italy was Maximus the Greek, an Eastern Orthodox monk who lived in the middle of that chaos and was personal friends with Renaissance crypto-pagans and probably also met pederasts among them. After he left Italy he went to Mount Athos and Moscow and denounced the abominations which he saw and took part of in Italy, he also had a majestic huge beard and revived an ancient canon according to which all christian laymen must have beards. Even after he repented of all of that he still praised Savonarola though. Here's an excerpt from Maximus recalling those days:>Nor can it be expressed in words how great is the perversion of dogmas, and what primitive wickedness is born of these understandings of those who study excessively only science. I myself am a credible witness of all this, and not as one who has heard of it, but as one who has seen it, being an eye-witness of it in Italy and Lombardy, and as one who has been somewhat complicit in it. And if the Lord had not mercied me. He who cares for the salvation of all, and if He had not hastened to search me with His grace and enlightened my thoughts with His light, I would have perished long ago with those who are there, the offspring of impurity. Alas, how many men have I found in Italy, men sick of pagan impurity, who have mocked at our highest mysteries! Among these we remember a certain Cobezmicus of Ferrara, who excelled others in the knowledge of learning and the sciences, and when he was on his deathbed said to his disciples and friends: ‘Rejoice with me, O my beloved, for tomorrow I shall dwell in the Elysian Plains, with Socrates, and Plato, and all the heroes’... Who doesn't know Angelo Poliziano, who lived in Florence, and glorified himself with all uncleanness and fornication, and died in a pitiful manner?
St. John Chrysostom in his Homilies on Romans 4 says that even if hell wasn't real, being sodomized by another man would be the worst punishment (worse than death):>For these are treated in the same way as women that play the whore. Or rather their plight is more miserable. For in the case of the one the intercourse, even if lawless, is yet according to nature; but this is contrary both to law and nature. For even if there were no hell, and no punishment had been threatened, this would be worse than any punishment.St. Cyprian of Carthage in Letters 1:8 talks about the connection between sodomy with paganism:>[T]urn your looks to the abominations, not less to be deplored, of another kind of spectacle... Men are emasculated, and all the pride and vigor of their sex is effeminated in the disgrace of their enervated body; and he is more pleasing there who has most completely broken down the man into the woman. He grows into praise by virtue of his crime; and the more he is degraded, the more skillful he is considered to be. Such a one is looked upon—oh shame!—and looked upon with pleasure... Nor is there wanting authority for the enticing abomination... that Jupiter of theirs [is] not more supreme in dominion than in vice, inflamed with earthly love in the midst of his own thunders... now breaking forth by the help of birds to violate the purity of boys. And now put the question: Can he who looks upon such things be healthy-minded or modest? Men imitate the gods whom they adore, and to such miserable beings their crimes become their religion.
St. Justin Martyr in First Apology 27 talks about how some prostitute their own sons and mutilate them for that reason>[W]e have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do anyone harm and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm... And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives, and some are openly mutilated for the purpose of sodomy; and they refer these mysteries to the mother of the gods.
And if people still think that the church fathers made up these customs of the pagans just to have an excuse to destroy their traditions, here is Philo of Alexandria, the famous jewish hellenist who was at least bounded by the hebrew morality and made the same observations. Remember friends, modern day homosexuality, transgrnderism and all of the different variations of this filth are not a new thing, ancient demons are behind them and what's at stake in this battle is your very own souls.
>>17976550No this nigger is very much an active pedophile, he in fact prefers boys pre-puberty because the older ones "smell" as he puts it. He started posting here after the outage for some reason but he spends most of his time advertising gooner mods for fo4 on /cm/ and trading actual CP on telegram/teleguard. He's been doxxed for a while, hopefully someone finishes the job one of these days.
>>17976093Absolutely no one is denying that sick faggots raped their slaves, it is an abominable characteristic of deranged morality as >>17976527 puts it. It was not common however, and cross cultural only in the sense that a bestial character can arise in any man. You are a disgusting faggot, I hope you die knowing that.
The whole erastes-eromenos thing was just mentorship with some sex on the side.
>>17977184>It was not common howeverIn which of the examples given in the thread do you believe it was not common?
>>17977052>>17977065>>17977073>>17977088Just goes to show how pederasty is native to the European spirit. It was only through the introduction of Judeo-Christianity that the White man gave up the practice.
>>17977786What a delusional stance to have, the word Judeo-Christian is oxymoronic btw, did you really let Mr. Shapiro fool you on this one?
>>17977783read this post again faggot >>17975979
>>17978086>>17976030
>>17976527>"Pederasty" exclusively occured as a permissible social phenomenon in slave societiesPederasty occurred between citizens and freeborn boys in Greece, and in most of the societies mentioned in the OP, the boys were not slaves.>Men lusting for young boys instead of women is a good indication of social declinePederasty became more controversial and eventually became criminalized in both Greece and Rome when their societies were in decline. Pederasty in European antiquity was most widespread in Classical and Hellenistic Greece.
>>17978182A majority of the cases were slaves being raped by their masters, we've already been over this the last time you got BTFO'd. And as Erich Bethe put it, the sexual character of pederasty waned with increased civility. In his case he was referring to Sparta but much the same can be said about Athens, two of the most prominent city states within the Ancient Greek world.
>>17978109None of the post you mention refutes anything, it is just a lazy polemical post written by a retard. That anon was being generous by saying Pre-Christian Rome too, Lex Scantinia would like some words with you faggot.
>>17978224>A majority of the cases were slaves being raped by their mastersThe majority of the man/boy sexual relationships documented in the societies mentioned in the OP did not occur between master and slave.>And as Erich Bethe put it, the sexual character of pederasty waned with increased civilityThis is just some random academic's opinion. Pederasty became less common as the Mediterranean civilizations declined, culminating in it being outlawed due to Jewish influence through Christianity and brown demographic replacement.>>17978227>In which of the examples given in the thread do you believe it was not common?>links to a post listing societies in which pederasty was common>Lex Scantinia would like some words with you faggotThis is a poorly documented law which at most would have criminalized sex between a man and a freeborn boy.
>>17978247>This is just some random academic's opinion.Yeah and he was directly mentioned as a highly respected authority by the author you didn't even bother to read before ripping off of newgon, you fucking stupid faggot. He is your source, and you would know that if you bothered to read any of the shit you spew before posting it. >This is a poorly documented law which at most would have criminalized sex between a man and a freeborn boy.>would have criminalized sex between a man and a freeborn boy.>>17978182 >Pederasty occurred between citizens and freeborn boysfucking hell man did you hit your head or something you sure are sounding pretty retarded
>>17978255>Yeah and he was directly mentioned as a highly respected authority by the author you didn't even bother to read before ripping off of newgonNot sure what you're talking about. It appears that you're assblasted about something you read on another thread.>fucking hell man did you hit your head or somethingI never stated that every single case of man/boy sexual relationships mentioned in the societies listed in the OP were not between masters and slaves, just that the majority weren't. And the Lex Scantinia was a poorly documented law and it is not known how the law was enforced. Even if the law prohibited all sexual contact between men and freeborn boys, it would not preclude the possibility of widespread sexual contact between men and boys in Rome, because laws aren't always enforced, and because Roman men would still be free to have sexual relations with non-freeborn boys.
>>17978257Nigger why the LARP? literally everyone here knows you are the same faggot that shills this shit. You get BTFO'd vanish for a couple of weeks into /cm/ threads until you get bored and then show back up here. I'm not going to refute the same argument again for the ten millionth time. Go be a punished faggot somewhere else.
>>17977786That's not true because pederasty has been practiced on all continents and christians want all men to be saved, read the accounts of christians missionaries in Asia and you'll see that they encountered the same problems, especially among buddhists. Also that quote from Philo shows that he viewed gentiles by the same biblical criterion and advised them to treat sodomites like the jews would treat them so there's nothing subversive like your modern day jews financing sodomite porn websites.
>>17978260You seem pretty upset. It isn't healthy getting this angry when encountering historical information that contradicts your worldview, and it isn't conducive to bettering our collective understanding of history.You should just learn to accept that forms of love which differ from those considered acceptable under Judeo-Christian-Feminist morality have existed historically, and will continue to exist, and deal with it. Yes, pederasty existed and was widespread among the Aryan peoples before their culture was destroyed by the Jews. It was also present in a wide variety of non-Aryan cultures, including the noble Sinic civilizations.I'm not sure if I've spoken to you in another thread, since this is a pseudo-anonymous website, but if I have, I do not have a perfect recollection of every post I have made on this website. Even if I did, I would not be capable of reading your mind to know what post you referencing. Please be specific when referring to a source, as you did here >>17978255. What source are you referencing? What relevance does this source have to the current thread?
>>17978266>Judeo-Christian-Feminist moralityso now you're also mad at terfs? what's the issue, you don't like that they feel offended by men crossdressing as women for humiliation fetishes?
I dont care about this topic. I just want people to stop being cunts and let two grown men be in a relationship, get married, and have sex together without heavy judgement. Its always been an issue and many stories will turn one of the men into a woman or a young man to make it palatable to the wider audience. And Im sick of it. I just want people to back off and be normal about it. You dont have to emulate it or do it yourselves, but its two grown ass men together so just leave them alone. You owe gay men for civilization far more than you realize.
>>17976862No, I don't believe it should be popular. Highly respected cultures also did retarded shit like using sheep livers to divine the future.
>>17978402There are no laws in any Western country preventing two adult men from sodomizing each other, and some countries even let them marry each other.
