why was ares so unpopular amongst ancient greeks?
>>17976969Because in Homer he is described as a bloodthisty mutt that nobody likes, even Zeus tells him that if he wasn't his son he wouldn't let him on Olympus.
>>17976973The same with all god of war
Ares was the god for when you ran down a routing enemy. Otherwise you wanted Athena.
Ares is the Retard god of war.Athena is the smart one.It's not hard to figure out why obe was preferred over the other.
>>17977003The opposite, athena and her pretty feet, was the goddess of military strategy**, Ares was war itself.
>>17977007none was more preferred than the other, in case you don't understand how classical paganism worked, these entities were used according to pure momentary convenience, if a group of Greeks were conspiring to attack a Thracian fort by the Franks, Athena would be used, but at the time or in the pre-battle of the fateful bloodshed, where shields and swords would be clashing, Ares would be invoked, directly or indirectly. him having the nickname of bloodlust is no coincidence, right?
>>17976973>even Zeus tells him that if he wasn't his son he wouldn't let him on Olympus.Well thats rude
Athena is as much a warrior, wise sage, or strategic leader as your Mama Bear Karen next door, which is to say none at all. Her domains of wisdom and war belong to Apollo and Ares respectively. She is just a lady of the lake figure that originated in Lake Tritonis, in ancient Lybia right next to the Amazonas. Makes sense that she is associated with Venus since the planet was flung by Jupiter a long time ago (beloned to Poseidon and "gave herself away" to Jupiter and then flung out from his head) and caused the cataclysm here thousands of years ago, is seen heavily associated with the waters and not much else, except mental illness like her other Venusian counterparts. Her warrior aspect is just causing trouble for everyone else.
>>17976969ares is always presented as a petulant childhe's strong and willing to fight but the moment he starts losing he starts crying and flips the proverbial table. one story has ares get into a fight, get lightly bumped and goes to sit in a big jar/barrel to pout until zeus literally picks ares up and throws him back into the fightthat's not the kind of god you want to invoke during a serious battle because he'll abandon you the instant the fight turns against your side
>>17977399Probably because the Greeks have always treated Ares like shit so why would he want to fight on their behalf? They instead propped up a woman as a warrior while showering her with all sorts of sacrifices, offerings, and honeyed words that were never offered to Ares.He worked better for the Romans who treated him with more dignity.
First of all, Athena is just better. Secondly, cities like Thebes didn't make him a cult figure because he lacked the sophrosyne and heroic valor that heroes like Theseus had.
>>17977471>TheseusWasnt he plagued by madness, just like Achilles?
>>17976969>unpopular Apparently this. is. not. Sparta.
Pussy. Pussy was why.
Ares is unironically a woman's god>big dumb violent but handsome brute who steals aphrodite (woman) away from hephaestus (impotent husband)>can fantasize about "fixing him"It's why he was the primary god of Sparta which was also a gynocentric society
>>17978107think you're missing a b with an extra p in there bud
>>17978110You do know that Ares is just Mitras, right? Athena/Aphrodite is nothing but a thief of domains along with her father figure Jupiter.
>>17977506Sure, but Achilles’ rage in the Iliad was a LOT worse.
>>17977506Neither were plagued by madness.
>>17978688But they are both considered "heroes" of Athena. So does Athena work with reason or madness?
They prayed to Zeus for good fortune in battle and to escape the wrath of Ares.
>>17978724Athena still works with reason, even if her heroes did not.Athena represents sophrosyne and polis, Ares represents menos and mania.
>>17979500This is called denial and mental gymnastics. She works with madness, mania, and uses disguises to hide herself so operates on the shadows.
>>17978409Mithras is a bitch. Ares is a bitch. Athena is a true warrior's god. Justice for Hephaestus
>>17976999Wasn't Mars somewhat more popular among the Romans? Especially since their founders were thought to be descended from him.
>>17976969Because they were gay and retarded, imagine literally worshipping a woman lmao. Mars gave birth to Rome then curbstomped sissy Greece.
>>17976999Mars was pretty level-headed and decent.
>>17976969Because he was a steppe god and had to be nerfed due to being too powerful. The bow went to Apollo, the Sun to Helios, the thunderstrike to Zeus, the brains to Athena Ares/Mars/Araxes/Teiwaz etc is an old god of many steppe cultures. 100% he had equivalents in later Turkic/Mongolic pantheons as well maybe even as far as becoming Tengri/Sol Invictus or if you want to go further back Aten The civilized Greeks rejected the god of wanton unapologetic bloodshed in favor of the goddess of strategy Athena
>>17979554she did noble Ajax dirtyHe had every fucking rightthat divine cunt drove him to suicideall to favor the most (((scheming))) man in history
>>17976969Because he was the god of war, but all the glorified parts of it were stolen by other cults: Zeus was responsible for deciding the victor, Athena was in charge of defensive wars, Nike for victory, Kratos for strength and enforcement, etcBasically all that was left for Ares was to be the god of foreign invaders. And appropriately, in myth he was born in Thrace, explicitely not Greece.Compare with gods of war like Mars who was born in the role of protector of the fields, or Perun who was also the skyfather, or Tyr who was the god of law.
>>17979708>Aten>AthenaOh, hey someone sees the connection between their names.>>17979716>divineNah, she is just an usurper along with her daddy figure Jupiter. Only real stars are divine. If she is considered a warrior is much like Ishtar is considered a warrior - just a petulant spoiled basic bitch who steals everyone's domains and wants things to go her way or else she will have a tantrum.
>>17979842Don't get me wrong, I'm on team AresAthena is some semitic cult, Arash is the God of blood who rules the Sea of Grass
>>17979852Based
>>17976973I feel like you people just like to repeat things you read on reddit without ever actually studying the source material. the homeric hymn to ares doesnt say any of this>Shed down a kindly ray from above upon my life, and strength of war, that I may be able to drive away bitter cowardice from my head and crush down the deceitful impulses of my soul. Restrain also the keen fury of my heart which provokes me to tread [15] the ways of blood-curdling strife. Rather, O blessed one, give you me boldness to abide within the harmless laws of peace, avoiding strife and hatred and the violent fiends of death.>muh ares was just a bloodthirsty god and no one prayed to him>muh ares just a dumb jock god, nobody le awkctually worshiped him, that was just athenai wish you pseuds would all shut the fuck up and actually ready some of the greeks for once in your miserable lives
>>17976969Survivorship bias for Athenian writings + trauma against Romans who were bigly into mars cultism
>>17979888 Ares, exceeding in strength, chariot-rider, golden-helmed, doughty in heart, shield-bearer, Saviour of cities, harnessed in bronze, strong of arm, unwearying, mighty with the spear, O defence of Olympus, father of warlike Victory, ally of Themis, [5] stern governor of the rebellious, leader of righteous men, sceptred King of manliness, who whirl your fiery sphere among the planets in their sevenfold courses through the aether wherein your blazing steeds ever bear you above the third firmament of heaven; hear me, helper of men, giver of dauntless youth!
>>17976969Paganism tends to start off by worshipping masculine war idols (who they don't really believe in) and over time trashes them in favour of wisdom/destiny goddesses.Just look at the modern day pagans on /x/. None of them care about Ares or Poseidon, it's all about Athena/Ishtar/Sophia/whatnot.This actually makes sense as it's kind of gay to worship a male god. The only reason Christians get away with it is because they depict their god as feminine as possible
>>17979926more pseud meming from someone who doesnt actually read the greeks
>>17979867I hate that picture so much. It feels like its desecrating an actually amazing looking statue. The modern world truly is disgusting and beyond a mockery of all it borrowed to be built.
>>17980011maybe you would like this one better, tranny
Aphrodite Areia was the best. Better than Ares and better than Athena.
>>17980080Thats not a thing. Thats just a woman doing cosplay.>>17980021No, the woman is the ultimate bad guy in the spirtual realm so why would I like it?
>>17976973Do you realised that even back then, Ancient Greeks knew Homer wrote fanfiction and wasn't real theology, right?
>>17979667Equating Mars directly with Ares is pretty stupid. Ares is like the kind of guy who brags abour getting in fights and knowing how to box but the minute you actually hit him he runs away and copes that he wasn't ready. Mars is like a working man who hears his son is getting bullied, confronts the bully's father and when he refuses to do anything kicks the bully's dad's ass.Greeks Apollo the ideal man, Romans made Mars the ideal mam. Greeks valued high art and culture wgile Romans were (initially at least) more grounded and idealized a paternalistic agricultural society where a man was a father, farmer, and soldier.
>>17980902>Mars is like a working man who hears his son is getting bullied, confronts the bully's father and when he refuses to do anything kicks the bully's dad's ass.Ares was similar to Mars in this case, Ares killed a son of Poseidon because he graped his daughter.
>>17979867>the homeric hymn to ares doesnt say any of thisNigga it's literally in the Iliad. Why are you criticising me for not reading it when you clearly haven't?But Zeus who marshals storm clouds lowered a dark glanceand let loose at Ares: "No more, you lying, two-faced ...no more sidling up to me, whining here before me.You—I hate you most of all the Olympian gods.Always dear to your heart,strife, yes, and battles, the bloody grind of war.You have your mother's uncontrollable rage-incorrigible,that Hera—say what I will, I can hardly keep her down.Hera's urgings, I trust,' have made you suffer this.But I cannot bear to see you agonize so long.You are my child. To me your mother bore you.If you had sprung from another god, believe me,and grown into such a blinding devastation,long ago you'd have dropped below the Titans,deep in the dark pit."End of book 5 of the Iliad. >>17980886Greek interpretations of Homer changed over time, early Homeric criticism tends to think of it as allegorical, like the gods being literal forces of nature instead of real actors. Later it would become a more metaphorical.
