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why did japan even join hitler lmfao
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>>17978541
high on their own farts. many such cases.
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>>17978541
The Soviets were that much of a threat. Later on it was to divert U.S. forces away from the war with Japan.
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The Tripartite Pact was purely strategic, not ideological. Even the gookies were smart enough not to fall for the idiotic Nazi racial myths.
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Korea and Taiwan were not defensible in the age of nationalism. You can't have an overseas colony that has a third of your population and a distinct national identity so you can't play the divide and conquer game. Japan's choice was to expand and become even more powerful or retreat back to the islands.
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>>17979111
Ban koreans from having more than 2 kids, import loyal japanese settlers, assimilate korean collaborators, it really is as shrimple as that
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>>17978645
>was purely strategic
>the only strategic outcome was germany commiting suicide by declaring war on the US after Pearl Harbor
well played, master race
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>>17978541
Shared enmity with Russia and America
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>>17978541
In 1936 Germany and Japan entered into the anti-Comintern Pact to counter Soviet expansionism as both countries were strongly anti-communist.
In 1940 Japan entered the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy (the Axis alliance). From Japan’s perspective, they did this to strengthen their position in US-Japan negotiations, as they believed the US would abandon it’s hostile policy towards Japan if Japan had Germany and Italy as allies.
Despite being on the same side, Japan didn’t share Germany’s National Socialist beliefs (in fact, 20,000 Jews were saved by Japan from German persecution).
It’s also worth noting that Hitler looked down on the Japanese (as stated in Mein Kampf).
Overall, Germany and Japan were allies of strategic necessity. Both countries had the same enemies (USSR, UK and USA) so it made sense to form an alliance.
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>>17979134
Germany was actually under no treaty obligation to declare war after Pearl Harbor (not that Hitler ever actually cared about treaty obligations but still) because it was a purely defensive pact that did not require coming to the aid of other members when they were the aggressor. Hitler declared war on the USA because he wanted to be able to attack US shipping at will.
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>>17979115
There was more migration from Korea to Japan than the other way around. No one wants to leave your home for a worse place. Germany had the same issue when they wanted to settle people in the Lebensraum so they had to import ethnic Germans from the Balkans.
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>>17979794
The lost of the Danube Germans deprived Hitler of a important source of influence and Germany is still paying for it
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>>17978541
These retards dragged Germany into an unwinnable war with the US that most Americans opposed
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>>17979794
There was quite substantial Japanese settlement in Manchuria even though it was even poorer than Korea
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>>17979973
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>>17979250
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>>17979973
Retarded take. It's entirely possible that the Republicans in Congress would have opposed FDR's desire to enter the war in Europe. However, any debate was rendered moot when Germany and the rest of the Axis declared war on the US. So it's a purely hypothetical "what if" scenario since Hitler declared war 4 days after Pearl Harbor. If Germany didn't want to be dragged down, they did themselves no favors ending the debate for Congress.
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japan hated the entente and they got nothing out of ww1.
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>>17980429
They got numerous german islands in the Pacific, complete control of Shandong until 1922 when it was given back to China in exchange for more favorable terms in the Washington Naval Treaty, and retaining numerous economic concessions that essentially gave Japan economic control of the territory and a total monopoly to operate its railroads, which lasted until 1945.

Also it is worth noting that Japan had been willing to give up de jure control of Shandong at Versailles if the league of nations had placed in its charter a provision on racial equality. So how much can they really say to have valued it if they valued a mere scrap of paper more?
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>>17978541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_iNUXhrfw
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These Gooks unironically seethe if you use the internationlly recognized Sea of Japan term instead of their east sea naming copes.
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>>17978645
>were smart enough not to fall for the idiotic Nazi racial myths
Yeah, they created their own racial myth.
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>>17978541
They thought having a strong ally would make the West and the Soviet Union take their concerns more seriously. It actually worked with Stalin (Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact was a fruit of Matsuoka's pro-Axis approach) but with the West it just dampened Roosevelt's and Churchill's hopes of avoiding war in the Pacific.
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>>17979115
Japan's Korean collaborators refused all attempts to Japanize them personally, and they had leverage because trustworthy Koreans don't exactly grow on trees. Japan had a lot more success incentivizing the common peasants who resented them to Japanize than their actual supporters.
>>17980209
The rural colonization scheme was a huge failure, they only got a few thousand farmers from Nagano and Yamanashi to sign up. I think more Koreans may have settled in the Manchurian countryside 1930-1945 than Japanese, and a shitload more Chinese did. A lot of Japanese did move on their own but specifically to take jobs in big cities like Shenyang and Xinjing.
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>>17979973
Idiot, it was Germany that declared war on America. Also Japan was forced to go to war because FDR cut off the resources they relied on.
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>>17980429
> japan hated the entente
Japan was in favour of renewing the Anglo-Japanese Alliance after WW1.
> got nothing out of ww1.
They got multiple former German territories in China and the Pacific.
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>>17981028
> dampened Roosevelt's and Churchill's hopes of avoiding war in the Pacific.
FDR and Churchill were pushing for a war in the Pacific.
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>>17981314
Strengthening the colonies to prevent an obvious invasion isn’t an aggressive action to take. Japan shouldn't of invaded European colonies.
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>>17981311
>Japan was forced to go to war because FDR cut off the resources they relied on.
All sanctions would have been lifted in excbange for withdrawing to the 1937 borders. Japan could have kept its key colonies of taiwan, korea, and manchuria. Instead they chose war with a power they knew they could not defeat and lost everything in an act of intentional national suicide.
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>>17978541
When Germany defeated the Netherlands and France and Britain was isolated, it looked as though the war could end soon. To Japan, it was not unfathomable that the colonies in Asia could soon fall into German hands, so it was better to align with Germany to ensure Japan would be able to seize the European colonies in Asia.
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>>17982322
They gambled and they lost. Many such cases.
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>>17979115
Life's not a paradox videogame retard. How are you going to enforce ANY of that with a huge population that will progressively hate your guts.
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>>17982344
The funny thing is I bet most of those territories they took control of were borderline worthless and just wasted manpower and supplies badly needed elsewhere. Still, their true gamble was not attacking the Soviets from the East, their biggest mistake. I've heard one million copes and excuses about this error but they just wanted to rack up Chinese peasant kills on the scoreboard, that was way more important kek.
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>>17978541
Russia
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>>17979973
Germany was itching for a chance to start shooting at American ships and their "neutrality patrols". The second happy time proved that waiting for Japan to strike first was the best plan
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>>17981392
> All sanctions would have been lifted in excbange for withdrawing to the 1937 borders.
Not true. The US wanted Japan to withdraw entirely from Indochina, China and Manchukuo, something the Japanese couldn’t accept.
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>>17981346
> Japan shouldn't of invaded European colonies.
Japan only sent troops into French Indochina to gain a strategic advantage in the Second Sino-Japanese War. Japan made no aggressive moves against the US. All the aggression leading up to the Pacific War came from the American side.
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>>17983501
What about British Malay and Singapore?
>aggression came from the US
Not selling your resources isn’t an aggressive stance. Just because Japan needed oil (for their war they could easilynhave stopped) doesn't mean it has a right to other people's resources.
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>>17983900
>What about British Malay and Singapore?
They were only attacked once the war started since the UK was on the same side as the US. Japan made no aggressive moves against those territories prior to the outbreak of the war in the Pacific.
>Not selling your resources isn’t an aggressive stance.
Cutting off the resources a country relies on is an act of economic warfare.
>Just because Japan needed oil (for their war they could easilynhave stopped)
If Japan surrendered in China and returned to their pre-1931 borders they would be surrendering their foreign policy to a foreign aggressor (the US). No sane country would make themselves weaker because an aggressor threatened them with economic blackmail.
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>>17983946
>Cutting off the resources a country relies on is an act of economic warfare.
1. You shouldn't make yourself dependent on a forign power in the first place.
2. Demanding resources you do not own isn’t realistic.
A starving man needs food to survive, but he isn't entitled to just walk into a store and start grabbing stuff. Japan put themselves in that position and they cannot complain when they fail to meet obligations to a transaction they agreed to.
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>>17978541
Japan is historically aware.
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>>17982479
Not quite, or they would have joined the invasion.
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>>17979111
>>17979794
>>17981037
You retard have no idea what you are talking about.

There was major Japanese settlement in Korea and in Manchukuo.

One million ethnic Yamato Japanese men and women settled in Manchukuo (and got slaughtered and raped by Soviets)

Japan was poor and overcrowded back then, Japan mass exported prostitutes (karayuki-san) and Chinese peddlers from Fuzhou weee even able to marryJapanese girls and lure them to Fuzhou by promosing them a better life in the 1920s

Japan did NOT have a high standard of living until the 1960s.

Japanese commoners lived in poverty and Japanese girls were rented as maids and concubines by Chinese merchants and political exiles, like Sun Yatsen and Cong Liangbi.
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>>17983946
So what makes America obligated to give away their resources to Japan? Give us your oil or we will invade you? That in itself is economic warefare by Japan. Hell it is actually just war.
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>>17984452
>America hears about Japan
>sends over commodore Perry
>"HEY JAPAN, YOU BETTER OPEN THE FUCK UP FOR BIG AMERICAN MARKETS"
>*points broadside cannons at civilian population*

>Several decades later
>"Hey Japan, you're getting into a tustle with China and we like the Chinese now. Not really. In fact we want to colonize them and drug them up to high heaven but actually fuck you too. Colonizing is for western English speakers, not puny Japanlets."
>*sanctions Japan*
>Britain also sanctions Japan
>Britain threatens the Dutch into sanctioning Japan
>Now Japan can't get the materials it thought it would from the old trade system it was dragooned into
>Goes on war rationing in 1939, two years before even entering WW2
>US ends up dropping two atomic bombs on women and children for the lulz and to show off their new sun
>Retards basedjack themselves to portable sun memes

So my great grandparents fought for the US in WW2 but I think it's pretty clear we were the villains no matter how you slice this.
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>>17984472
>and to show off their new *toy*
I get triggered by the portable sun meme because thet actual portable sun was detonated by Russia in 1961.
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>>17982435
> funny thing is I bet most of those territories they took control of were borderline worthless

Wrong, the Japanese were retarded and didn't realise the massive Daqing oilfield was in Manchukuo.

The only known oilfield in China was at Gansu and Japan tried reaching Gansu but were defeated and repulsed by Chinese forces.

Yunnan province had known rich copper mines but again Japan failed to conquer the province

Japan failed to conquer the known resource rich provinces of China which had tungsten, copper.

Japan only acquired coal mines and were too dumb to find the oil at Daqing.

>Still, their true gamble was not attacking the Soviets from the East,

Japan was slapped by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol AFTER Stalin massively weakened the Red Army with his great purge.

Japan lost to a dehibilitated Soviet army.

Siberia only had one trans continenetal railroad easily cut off by Soviet control.

Soviets invaded Iran while at war with Germany and Xinjiang in the Ili rebellion.

Soviets could handle Japan even at war with Germany.
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>>17984478
>Japan was slapped by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol AFTER Stalin massively weakened the Red Army with his great purge.
You don't know what the purge was, nor that it was the least great of all of the purges.

>Japan lost to a dehibilitated Soviet army.
There's no way to read over the orders of battle and think this was the case. Japan had a significant material disadvantage.
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>>17984472
>>17983946
>>17983501
Liar, Japan already planned to attack the Philippines before the embargo.

The US embargoed Japan after supecting Japan's occupation of Saigon was to invade the Philippines.

The US also helped Japan take over Korea in Taft-Katsuura.
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>>17981314
Britain cut off the Burma road in early 1940 on Japan's request retard.

Britain refused to aid Thailand against possible Japanese attack so Thailand joined the Axis instead, even though outnumbered Thai soldiers massacred Japahese at Prachuap Khiri Khan.

Churchill did everything to avoid fighting Japan.
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>>17981001
Japan never implemented Nuremberg laws or Jim Crow laws.

There were Chinese men living in Japan during the entire war having sex with Japanese women.

Sadaharu Oh was born to a Chinese father and Japanese mother in Japan in 1940.
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>>17984472
>Goes on war rationing in 1939, two years before even entering WW2
>US ends up dropping two atomic bombs on women and children for the lulz and to show off their new sun
Cool how you omited accounts of how America warned the cities to evacuate before dropping the bombs.
Also cool how you also omitted how Japan seized French Indochina (which they promised not to do) which in effect caused the embargo.
Japan knew that attacking and occupying that land would cause the embargo and did it anyway.
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>>17984472
Japanese spies were inciting Black Nationalists in the NOI to race war against white Americans in the 1930s years before the embargo.
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>>17978541
It was a pure, cynical power move to cripple their colonial rivals and secure resources. They would've allied with Satan himself to dominate Asia.
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>>17984821
Naka Nakane aka Satokata Takahashi.
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>>17984433
>You shouldn't make yourself dependent on a forign power in the first place
It was the US that made Japan dependent on importing resources from other countries when Commodore Perry forced the Japanese to end their isolation.
>Demanding resources you do not own isn’t realistic.
Cutting off resources a country relies on isn’t going to maintain peace. If a foreign aggressor cut off the resources America relied on, then America would also go to war.
>A starving man needs food to survive, but he isn't entitled to just walk into a store and start grabbing stuff.
False equivalency.
>Japan put themselves in that position
Again, it was Commodore Perry forcing Japan to open up that put the Japanese into a position where they were reliant on foreign imports.
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>>17984452
>So what makes America obligated to give away their resources to Japan?
I never said that. What I said is that if you put a country into a position where you starve them of necessary resources then naturally it will cause war.
>Give us your oil or we will invade you?
Japan never wanted to invade America. It was the American, British and Dutch colonial powers that had been invading and occupying Asia.
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>>17984487
>Liar, Japan already planned to attack the Philippines before the embargo.
False.
>The US embargoed Japan after supecting Japan's occupation of Saigon was to invade the Philippines.
The US embargoed Japan because FDR wanted to provoke a war so America would have an excuse to enter WW2.
>The US also helped Japan take over Korea in Taft-Katsuura.
Japan annexed Korea in 1910 in an action that was recognised as legitimate by the international community. This is completely irrelevant to WW2.
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>>17984521
>Churchill did everything to avoid fighting Japan.
Britain was a part of the ABCD encirclement of Japan and Churchill was strongly in favour of America joining the war. Learn real history, idiot.
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>>17981001
Japan was the first country to propose an end to racial discrimination at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference.
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>>17984821
Irrelevant to WW2.
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>>17979115
Every fucking 19th and 20th century assimilation "policy" from any imperial power faceplanted in the face of reality, why are people so heavy advocates for something that never succeed?
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>>17986452
>Japan never wanted to invade America. It was the American, British and Dutch colonial powers that had been invading and occupying Asia.

Japanese helped every single one of these occupations.

Japanese mercenaries fought for the Dutch East India Company in the genocide against Muslims of the Banda islands in Indonesia.

Japan recognised US control of Philippines in Taft-Katsuura in 1905 and said the natives were unfit to rule

Japanese settlers came to Mindanao under US occupation in the 1920s to seize land from native Moro Muslims and Lumads.

Moro Muslims killed Japanese settlers and soldiers.

Japan is the reason why France occupied north Vietnam, China defeated France in the battle of Bang Bo (Zhennan pass] forcing France into the second retreat from Lang Son in Tonkin.

China also defeated Framce at the battle of Tamsui in Taiwan and stalemate them at Keelung.

France failed to force China to cede the Pescadores (Penghu) and pay an indemnity for China ambushing French at Bacle.

Japan threatened war with China over the Gapsin coup in Korea in 1884-1885 forcing China to let Franve take north Vietnam in the Treaty of Tientsin.

China also had to keep the Beiyang fleet north against Japan.
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>>17986461
Churchill wanted America to join the war against Germany only retard.

Netherlands and Britain only embargoed Japan after Japan occupied all of French Indochina.

America, Netherlands, Britain, Australia provided most of Japan's oil, iron, rubber, machine tools and lorry truck engines against China from 1931-1940.
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>>17984769
>Also cool how you also omitted how Japan seized French Indochina (which they promised not to do) which in effect caused the embargo.
And this was obviously nothing but a pretext for the US to get involved, because they had no problem attacking French territory two years later.
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>>17986903
>because they had no problem attacking French territory two years later.
Are you implying America made a promise not to attack the French for some reason?
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>>17986457
>provoke a war
Why is the onus on America? Japan shouldn't have gone against their word. They do not have a right to American oil just because
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>>17986452
>necessary resources
Except it wasn't necessary. They could have stopped their war which would drastically reduce their need for oil.
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>>17986447
They shouldn't have left the League of Nations and shouldn't have let their army illegally start a war in China.
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>>17986447
It is a perfect analogy. A shop owner has a right to refuse service to an individual if he just blatantly sees him assault another man on the street.
Him closing the store isnt a provocation. The violent individual shouldn't of acted that way.
Why did Japan need to invade China? Why did Japan need to occupy French Indochina? Why did Japan need to keep Korea and Manchuria?
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I'm so glad Americans are being replaced by their kike masters with mass immigration. Absolutely deserved
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>>17988129
Seething. Japan deserved to be stopped.
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>>17978645
What racial myths?
The Nazis were nationalists and blacks weren't from Germany.

There were no anti intermarriage-between-race laws in Germany like there were in America. The nazis being racist was always a Jewish myth.
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America and Australia denied the right of Japan to even be considered human, preventing the Racial Equality Proposal at the Treaty of Versailles. Butthurt Japs then decided that they didn't need permission to have an empire and started annexing everything they could, steamrolling Korea and China, which then put them in conflict with the British.

Joining Hitler put more pressure on the UK to abandon their Asian settlements. The cowardly Brits then proceeded to surrender at every opportunity, gave up Hong Kong, gave up Malaya, sacrificed Singapore, and were ready to hand over Australia. If the Japs were successful in Pearl Harbour and the ships were actually at port, they would've had the year to push the last remnants of the British Empire out of northern Australia and take all the oilfeilds there while India flipped to the Axis.
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>>17978552
they weren't a threat, japanese already humiliated them twice
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>>17978541
You know those EU4 games where you find an ally who you hope to use just to distract the AI while you siege some land down?

That was what Hitler thought of Japan and Tojo/whoever was in charge thought of Hitler.

Use the other side as a distraction, go on an easy conquering spree.

>>17979111
>not defensible
One's an island owned by a nation with the third/second largest navy.

The other is a mountainous peninsula surrounded by water on all four sides, three seas, one river.

This is as defensible as you can get.
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>>17988238
>If
>Successful
And what then?

How do you defend such a large Empire especially as American industry was prepared to spit out dozens of divisions and ships. How do you supply those garrisons spread out across three timezones? How do you supply them when your supply ships start getting sunk and the only factories you have to build new ones are in Tokyo? How do you even manage to build new supply ships when all your factories are on an island thousands of nautical miles away from South East Asia? Oh, and your oil isn't getting where it needs to be cause ships kept getting sunk. How do you even manage to stop a single shipyard in LA pumping out dozens of new ships to replace the ones lost at Pearl Harbour while your own navy is being slowly crippled by US subs?

Doesn't matter how much noble bullshitdo you believe. People who believe Japan ever had a chance once the war got started with the US haven't read the numbers. Not even much of High Command believed it, they were gambling on a small hope that maybe, just maybe the Americans would fold like Tsarist Russian and Imperial China after one big battle and they can walk away with a Win. In their arrogance, they never considered "what do we do if they don't give up?"
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>>17988636
As can be seen by how easily they conquered Manchuria in 1945, the Soviets were indeed a threat to Japan.
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>>17988636

>What was Khalkhin Gol
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>>17987180
> It is a perfect analogy.
No, it’s not. It’s an oversimplified false equivalency. If you want to discuss the actual subject matter that’s fine, however I’m not wasting my time discussing analogies.
> Why did Japan need to invade China?
The Chinese were killing Japanese in China and threatening Japan’s regional interests.
> Why did Japan need to occupy French Indochina?
In order to gain a strategic advantage in the Second Sino-Japanese War.
> Why did Japan need to keep Korea and Manchuria?
Because Japan needed to be strong to survive back then. With the Soviets to the north and the western colonial powers to the south, Japan was surrounded by enemies. If they weren’t strong they could’ve been colonised like most of Asia already was (the Japanese knew this since the Meiji era).
The real question should be why did America have to involve itself in a conflict between China and Japan? What did the US get out of it? Hundreds of thousands of Americans died and half of Asia is now controlled by authoritarian communist regimes, all because of the war FDR started in the Pacific.
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>>17987176
> They shouldn't have left the League of Nations
The League of Nations (which was an inherently bias organisation dominated by the Anglo-American powers) unfairly condemned Japan for their role in establishing a Manchurian state. The League had no problem with America, Britain, France and the Netherlands controlling half the globe yet Japan creating Manchukuo was apparently a step too far. Japan recognised the double standard of this.
> shouldn't have let their army illegally start a war in China.
They didn’t. China started the Second Sino-Japanese War with the Marco Polo Bridge Incident and Tongzhou Massacre.
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>>17987174
> Except it wasn't necessary.
Yes, it was. America cut off not only the resources Japan needed for it’s war in China but for the survival of Japan itself.
> They could have stopped their war
What sane country would surrender their foreign policy (and surrender a war for that matter) because of economic blackmail?
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>>17987172
> Why is the onus on America?
America, specifically the FDR administration, was responsible for deliberately creating the conditions that caused the war.
> Japan shouldn't have gone against their word.
How did Japan go against their word? What are you referring to?
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>>17986820
> Churchill wanted America to join the war against Germany only
Churchill knew that America going to war with Japan would significantly increase the likelihood of a German-American conflict (after all, Germany and Japan were allies in the Tripartite Pact).
> Netherlands and Britain only embargoed Japan after Japan occupied all of French Indochina.
How did Japan sending troops into French Indochina impact Britain or the Netherlands?
> America, Netherlands, Britain, Australia provided most of Japan's oil, iron, rubber, machine tools and lorry truck engines against China from 1931-1940.
They also cut off those resources in order to force Japan into war. What’s your point? Also Japan was at war with China from 1937 onwards, not 1931.
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>>17986811
What’s your point? None of this is relevant to the Pacific conflict.
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>>17988636
The Soviets curbstomped Japan at Khalin Gol

the Russian empire curbstomped the Japanese on land, the Russians were outnumbered by Japanese at the land battles of Port Arthur and Nanshan but they slaughtered the Japanese who most more dead

Japan was only saved by the British built Meiji navy and the emergency loans by Jew banker Jacob Schiff

>>17989055
Japan first attacked China in Manchuria in 1931, Shanghai in 1932 and Suiyuan in 1936.

>>17989042
>>17984821
>Japanese spies were inciting Black Nationalists in the NOI to race war against white Americans in the 1930s years before the embargo.

>>17988129
Japan supported Jews and protected them from Nazis
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>>17988226
They had a racial hierarchy which was not supported by scientific evidence of any kind.
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>>17989055
>force Japan into war.
No they wanted the Japanese to back down not declare war. They doubled down like retards and got what they deserved.
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>>17990077
>they wanted the Japanese to back down not declare war.
False. The FDR administration wanted to provoke a war. The aggression leading up to the Pacific War came from the American side. Japan made no aggressive moves against the US.
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>>17989335
>Japan first attacked China in Manchuria in 1931
Manchuria wasn’t China
>Shanghai in 1932 and Suiyuan in 1936
Defensive actions against Chinese aggression
>>Japanese spies were inciting Black Nationalists in the NOI to race war against white Americans in the 1930s years before the embargo.
Funding various groups is something all major powers do. Japan wasn’t trying to cause a war in the US
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>>17990284
>Manchuria wasn’t China

Hokkaido wasn't Japan

Ryukyu wasn't Japan

South Sakhalin and Kuril wasn't Japan.

Taiwan wasn't Japan.

Japan also attacked US troops in the USS Panay and Standard oil tankers on 12 December 1937 near Nanjing on the Yangtze river and shot down US pilot Robert McCawley Short over Suzhou on 22 February 1932.

This is why Curtiss test pilot Bob Fausel shot down a Japanese Fiat BR.20 on 4 April 1939 over Chongqing, due to previous Japanese provocations.

Aren't you the guys crying over USS liberty all the time? Japan did the same to USS Panay and Robert McCawley Short.

Standard oil developed the napalm firebombs used to roast Tokyo in operation Meetinghouse after Japan bombed their tankers.

The napalm was also used in the M2 flamethrowers.
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>>17990294
Standard oil also made the mock Japanese villages used to test the firebombs.
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>>17990294
>Zhang cope and seethe
Lol. Manchuria literally wasn’t China until after WW2. The RoC didn’t govern Manchuria prior to the war and had no legitimate claim to it.
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>>17990308
Still no counter to how all those other provinces weren't Japanese. Interesting
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>>17990308
>Lol. Manchuria literally wasn’t China until after WW2

Even the Fengtian clique warlord Zhang Zuolin controlling Manchuria recognised it as part of China before 1931 retard.

None of the warlords declared independence

Zhang Xueliang who controlled Manchuria also directly conceded political recognition of the Republic of China government of the KMT after his father Zhang Zuolin was assassinated.

The Soviets openly had a dispute over the Manchuria railway with the KMT in 1929.

Japan invaded Manchuria after that and took it from Zhang Xueliang

The Ming dynasty also directly ruled Manchuria (Jilin and Heilongjiang were the Nurgan regional military commission)

And Liaodong (Liaoning) was a Han majority province in the Ming already and under direct provincial rule.
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>>17990308
>>17990560
Japan also attacked China in the Jinan incident of May 1928.

A Chinese civilian in Kobe then did a martyrdom opetation and sent multiple Japanese to the afterlife in response to the Jinan aggression by Japan.

https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/maltribune19280601-1.2.35

https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/straitstimes19280525-1.2.37
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>>17990271
That is all irrelevant. America and Japan had agreed that trade will continue if Japan would NOT send troops to Indochina. Japan agreed. Japan then went back on their word and sent troops to Indochina so America imposed an oil embargo. If Japan wanted the oil to continue they should of just kept their agreement and not send troops.
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>>17990365
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>>17990563
Seethe, Zhang
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>>17991309
> If Japan wanted the oil to continue they should of just kept their agreement and not send troops.
America demanded that Japan withdraw from Indochina, China and Manchuria, not just Indochina. Naturally Japan couldn’t accept this.
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>>17991887
>Naturally Japan couldn’t accept this.
Stop being expansionist isn’t a big demand, they still would of had Korea and they threw it all away.



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