why did japan even join hitler lmfao
>>17978541high on their own farts. many such cases.
>>17978541The Soviets were that much of a threat. Later on it was to divert U.S. forces away from the war with Japan.
The Tripartite Pact was purely strategic, not ideological. Even the gookies were smart enough not to fall for the idiotic Nazi racial myths.
Korea and Taiwan were not defensible in the age of nationalism. You can't have an overseas colony that has a third of your population and a distinct national identity so you can't play the divide and conquer game. Japan's choice was to expand and become even more powerful or retreat back to the islands.
>>17979111Ban koreans from having more than 2 kids, import loyal japanese settlers, assimilate korean collaborators, it really is as shrimple as that
>>17978645>was purely strategic>the only strategic outcome was germany commiting suicide by declaring war on the US after Pearl Harborwell played, master race
>>17978541Shared enmity with Russia and America
>>17978541In 1936 Germany and Japan entered into the anti-Comintern Pact to counter Soviet expansionism as both countries were strongly anti-communist.In 1940 Japan entered the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy (the Axis alliance). From Japan’s perspective, they did this to strengthen their position in US-Japan negotiations, as they believed the US would abandon it’s hostile policy towards Japan if Japan had Germany and Italy as allies.Despite being on the same side, Japan didn’t share Germany’s National Socialist beliefs (in fact, 20,000 Jews were saved by Japan from German persecution).It’s also worth noting that Hitler looked down on the Japanese (as stated in Mein Kampf).Overall, Germany and Japan were allies of strategic necessity. Both countries had the same enemies (USSR, UK and USA) so it made sense to form an alliance.
>>17979134Germany was actually under no treaty obligation to declare war after Pearl Harbor (not that Hitler ever actually cared about treaty obligations but still) because it was a purely defensive pact that did not require coming to the aid of other members when they were the aggressor. Hitler declared war on the USA because he wanted to be able to attack US shipping at will.
>>17979115There was more migration from Korea to Japan than the other way around. No one wants to leave your home for a worse place. Germany had the same issue when they wanted to settle people in the Lebensraum so they had to import ethnic Germans from the Balkans.
>>17979794The lost of the Danube Germans deprived Hitler of a important source of influence and Germany is still paying for it
>>17978541These retards dragged Germany into an unwinnable war with the US that most Americans opposed
>>17979794There was quite substantial Japanese settlement in Manchuria even though it was even poorer than Korea
>>17979973See>>17979250
>>17979973Retarded take. It's entirely possible that the Republicans in Congress would have opposed FDR's desire to enter the war in Europe. However, any debate was rendered moot when Germany and the rest of the Axis declared war on the US. So it's a purely hypothetical "what if" scenario since Hitler declared war 4 days after Pearl Harbor. If Germany didn't want to be dragged down, they did themselves no favors ending the debate for Congress.
japan hated the entente and they got nothing out of ww1.
>>17980429They got numerous german islands in the Pacific, complete control of Shandong until 1922 when it was given back to China in exchange for more favorable terms in the Washington Naval Treaty, and retaining numerous economic concessions that essentially gave Japan economic control of the territory and a total monopoly to operate its railroads, which lasted until 1945.Also it is worth noting that Japan had been willing to give up de jure control of Shandong at Versailles if the league of nations had placed in its charter a provision on racial equality. So how much can they really say to have valued it if they valued a mere scrap of paper more?
>>17978541https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_iNUXhrfw
These Gooks unironically seethe if you use the internationlly recognized Sea of Japan term instead of their east sea naming copes.
>>17978645>were smart enough not to fall for the idiotic Nazi racial mythsYeah, they created their own racial myth.
>>17978541They thought having a strong ally would make the West and the Soviet Union take their concerns more seriously. It actually worked with Stalin (Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact was a fruit of Matsuoka's pro-Axis approach) but with the West it just dampened Roosevelt's and Churchill's hopes of avoiding war in the Pacific.
>>17979115Japan's Korean collaborators refused all attempts to Japanize them personally, and they had leverage because trustworthy Koreans don't exactly grow on trees. Japan had a lot more success incentivizing the common peasants who resented them to Japanize than their actual supporters.>>17980209The rural colonization scheme was a huge failure, they only got a few thousand farmers from Nagano and Yamanashi to sign up. I think more Koreans may have settled in the Manchurian countryside 1930-1945 than Japanese, and a shitload more Chinese did. A lot of Japanese did move on their own but specifically to take jobs in big cities like Shenyang and Xinjing.
>>17979973Idiot, it was Germany that declared war on America. Also Japan was forced to go to war because FDR cut off the resources they relied on.
>>17980429> japan hated the ententeJapan was in favour of renewing the Anglo-Japanese Alliance after WW1.> got nothing out of ww1.They got multiple former German territories in China and the Pacific.
>>17981028> dampened Roosevelt's and Churchill's hopes of avoiding war in the Pacific.FDR and Churchill were pushing for a war in the Pacific.
>>17981314Strengthening the colonies to prevent an obvious invasion isn’t an aggressive action to take. Japan shouldn't of invaded European colonies.
>>17981311>Japan was forced to go to war because FDR cut off the resources they relied on.All sanctions would have been lifted in excbange for withdrawing to the 1937 borders. Japan could have kept its key colonies of taiwan, korea, and manchuria. Instead they chose war with a power they knew they could not defeat and lost everything in an act of intentional national suicide.
>>17978541When Germany defeated the Netherlands and France and Britain was isolated, it looked as though the war could end soon. To Japan, it was not unfathomable that the colonies in Asia could soon fall into German hands, so it was better to align with Germany to ensure Japan would be able to seize the European colonies in Asia.
>>17982322They gambled and they lost. Many such cases.
>>17979115Life's not a paradox videogame retard. How are you going to enforce ANY of that with a huge population that will progressively hate your guts.
>>17982344The funny thing is I bet most of those territories they took control of were borderline worthless and just wasted manpower and supplies badly needed elsewhere. Still, their true gamble was not attacking the Soviets from the East, their biggest mistake. I've heard one million copes and excuses about this error but they just wanted to rack up Chinese peasant kills on the scoreboard, that was way more important kek.
>>17978541Russia
>>17979973Germany was itching for a chance to start shooting at American ships and their "neutrality patrols". The second happy time proved that waiting for Japan to strike first was the best plan
>>17981392> All sanctions would have been lifted in excbange for withdrawing to the 1937 borders.Not true. The US wanted Japan to withdraw entirely from Indochina, China and Manchukuo, something the Japanese couldn’t accept.
>>17981346> Japan shouldn't of invaded European colonies.Japan only sent troops into French Indochina to gain a strategic advantage in the Second Sino-Japanese War. Japan made no aggressive moves against the US. All the aggression leading up to the Pacific War came from the American side.
>>17983501What about British Malay and Singapore? >aggression came from the USNot selling your resources isn’t an aggressive stance. Just because Japan needed oil (for their war they could easilynhave stopped) doesn't mean it has a right to other people's resources.
>>17983900>What about British Malay and Singapore? They were only attacked once the war started since the UK was on the same side as the US. Japan made no aggressive moves against those territories prior to the outbreak of the war in the Pacific.>Not selling your resources isn’t an aggressive stance. Cutting off the resources a country relies on is an act of economic warfare.>Just because Japan needed oil (for their war they could easilynhave stopped)If Japan surrendered in China and returned to their pre-1931 borders they would be surrendering their foreign policy to a foreign aggressor (the US). No sane country would make themselves weaker because an aggressor threatened them with economic blackmail.
>>17983946>Cutting off the resources a country relies on is an act of economic warfare.1. You shouldn't make yourself dependent on a forign power in the first place.2. Demanding resources you do not own isn’t realistic. A starving man needs food to survive, but he isn't entitled to just walk into a store and start grabbing stuff. Japan put themselves in that position and they cannot complain when they fail to meet obligations to a transaction they agreed to.
>>17978541Japan is historically aware.
>>17982479Not quite, or they would have joined the invasion.
>>17979111>>17979794>>17981037You retard have no idea what you are talking about.There was major Japanese settlement in Korea and in Manchukuo.One million ethnic Yamato Japanese men and women settled in Manchukuo (and got slaughtered and raped by Soviets)Japan was poor and overcrowded back then, Japan mass exported prostitutes (karayuki-san) and Chinese peddlers from Fuzhou weee even able to marryJapanese girls and lure them to Fuzhou by promosing them a better life in the 1920sJapan did NOT have a high standard of living until the 1960s.Japanese commoners lived in poverty and Japanese girls were rented as maids and concubines by Chinese merchants and political exiles, like Sun Yatsen and Cong Liangbi.
>>17983946So what makes America obligated to give away their resources to Japan? Give us your oil or we will invade you? That in itself is economic warefare by Japan. Hell it is actually just war.
>>17984452>America hears about Japan>sends over commodore Perry>"HEY JAPAN, YOU BETTER OPEN THE FUCK UP FOR BIG AMERICAN MARKETS">*points broadside cannons at civilian population*>Several decades later>"Hey Japan, you're getting into a tustle with China and we like the Chinese now. Not really. In fact we want to colonize them and drug them up to high heaven but actually fuck you too. Colonizing is for western English speakers, not puny Japanlets.">*sanctions Japan*>Britain also sanctions Japan>Britain threatens the Dutch into sanctioning Japan>Now Japan can't get the materials it thought it would from the old trade system it was dragooned into>Goes on war rationing in 1939, two years before even entering WW2>US ends up dropping two atomic bombs on women and children for the lulz and to show off their new sun>Retards basedjack themselves to portable sun memesSo my great grandparents fought for the US in WW2 but I think it's pretty clear we were the villains no matter how you slice this.
>>17984472>and to show off their new *toy*I get triggered by the portable sun meme because thet actual portable sun was detonated by Russia in 1961.
>>17982435> funny thing is I bet most of those territories they took control of were borderline worthless Wrong, the Japanese were retarded and didn't realise the massive Daqing oilfield was in Manchukuo. The only known oilfield in China was at Gansu and Japan tried reaching Gansu but were defeated and repulsed by Chinese forces.Yunnan province had known rich copper mines but again Japan failed to conquer the province Japan failed to conquer the known resource rich provinces of China which had tungsten, copper.Japan only acquired coal mines and were too dumb to find the oil at Daqing.>Still, their true gamble was not attacking the Soviets from the East, Japan was slapped by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol AFTER Stalin massively weakened the Red Army with his great purge.Japan lost to a dehibilitated Soviet army.Siberia only had one trans continenetal railroad easily cut off by Soviet control.Soviets invaded Iran while at war with Germany and Xinjiang in the Ili rebellion.Soviets could handle Japan even at war with Germany.
>>17984478>Japan was slapped by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol AFTER Stalin massively weakened the Red Army with his great purge.You don't know what the purge was, nor that it was the least great of all of the purges.>Japan lost to a dehibilitated Soviet army.There's no way to read over the orders of battle and think this was the case. Japan had a significant material disadvantage.
>>17984472>>17983946>>17983501Liar, Japan already planned to attack the Philippines before the embargo.The US embargoed Japan after supecting Japan's occupation of Saigon was to invade the Philippines.The US also helped Japan take over Korea in Taft-Katsuura.
>>17981314Britain cut off the Burma road in early 1940 on Japan's request retard.Britain refused to aid Thailand against possible Japanese attack so Thailand joined the Axis instead, even though outnumbered Thai soldiers massacred Japahese at Prachuap Khiri Khan.Churchill did everything to avoid fighting Japan.
>>17981001Japan never implemented Nuremberg laws or Jim Crow laws.There were Chinese men living in Japan during the entire war having sex with Japanese women.Sadaharu Oh was born to a Chinese father and Japanese mother in Japan in 1940.
>>17984472>Goes on war rationing in 1939, two years before even entering WW2>US ends up dropping two atomic bombs on women and children for the lulz and to show off their new sunCool how you omited accounts of how America warned the cities to evacuate before dropping the bombs.Also cool how you also omitted how Japan seized French Indochina (which they promised not to do) which in effect caused the embargo. Japan knew that attacking and occupying that land would cause the embargo and did it anyway.
