>Family as an economically independent unit, requires no welfare or exploitation of non-family labor>Education directed to work the family capital. Dramatically effective tutoring from parents since birth.>Inherited wealth affords a high living standard, yet remains economically active.>Leading consumer and producer of art, philosophy, theater and craftsmanship>Historically been the backbone of most standing armiesHere I'm talking about workers who own their own capital, e.g. small businessmen, shopkeepers, artisans, landlords, self-owning farmers, lawyers and doctors.My theory is that the intense division of labor makes it harder for (some) PB businesses to compete, alongside the expansion of the welfare state centered on the nuclear family has reduced the need for family members to financially support each other.They clearly still exist. I had this initial thought after being reminded of a childhood friend who now works for his dads construction company and is far better off than anyone else I know around my age.
>>17979202They always side with the capitalist class in the end, that's why they're (rightfully) hated
>>17979202Petite bourgeoisie are just the normal middle class people. The line between them and the upper and working class is meddled. Calling them evil is retarded at best. I'd say nouveau riche and spoiled rich kids are the worst kind of personas, as well as big city "people", through all social strata.
PB are a bunch of unsophisticated, backwards idiots who are the middle ground between rich and poor.
>>17979202yes. in today's communist society we must network in secret and appear poor to outsiders.
All the downsides typical of capitalism but don't sponsor culture or drive innovation or even realize scale economies. China has it right; big business is important enough to keep around but petty boug should have no political power at all
Petite bourgeois are a threat to rulers and the neighbors of impoverished stressed working classes. They are the most hated yet also the most loved as they are the artists, the doctors, the inventors. The working class aspire to accomplish something thereby rise to the bourgeois, rulers and the plutocracy imagine themselves as intelligent and skillful as the best of them.
>>17980126Is the hatred born out of pure resentment from the working classes and anxiety from the ruling classes, who are unable to control the Petite Bourgeoisie?
>>17979202>An illegal Guatemalan immigrant who owns and operates a hot dog stand in new york is in the same social class as Jeff Bezos>A wage cuck flipping burgers is in the same social class as Steve Balmer, CEO of microsoft with a net worth of 150 billion dollarsMarxism is the most retarded ideology to ever exist
>>17980542Bezos and the Guatemalan are both wifehavers, friendhavers, sexhavers. In that sense they're the same class. It's just that one acquired companionship with money and the other via the patriarchal third-world Christian community.
>>17980536Yes, those who want to control and those who cannot take care of themselves instinctively hate and want to kill the independent.
>>17980536it's resentment against normal people. The aristocrats are literally faggots and the lower classes are usually lazy, stupid, and criminally inclined.
>>17979202> Local butcher making 60k a year = bad evil capital owner> Cute wage receiving CEO on 500k = prole hero working for his wageThe definitions which underpin these words are totally irrelevant in the modern reality of capitalism.
wasn't petite bourgeois fear of the working class a core component of what allowed fascism to emerge in the first decades of the 20th century? small business owners, doctors, lawyers etc who feared that socialism meant they would be reduced to the level of a "worker", which was an idea utterly abhorrent to them.
>>17979288they're not
>>17979202>screws over anyone the autosecond it is possible. >tends to go against organized efforts of any type even if they would benefit from it. >tends to back exploitive policies and imperialism even if they won't get that much out of it.
>>17980536It's a proximity thing. CEOs are as distant to the average leftist as the king was to a typical leftist, however everyone has at least one experience of being fucked over by a member of 'the petit bourgeois' so its just easier to vent rage against them.Not sure it's still around but bunkerchan was hilarious for this shit, there'd be some dispassionate tl;dr wall of text about how CEOs are simply acting as expected in a capitalist system then a couple posts later the same anon would be calling for every small business owner to be executed cartel style
>>17981669king was to a typical peasant*
>>17979202If you're saying that they're "most maligned" because there exists a tendency for petty bourgeoisie to become proletarianized through the action of bourgeois competition, then yes I suppose they're maligned. This isn't exactly novel analysis.I really don't think it's useful to really debate how "maligned" this substrata is though. The tendencies of the petit bourgeoisie are fairly well-known, and it's more like individuals who own capital must act in a certain way or else they will lose that capital and become proletarians who must sell their labor power to survive. Bourgeois morals are more or less founded on this fact.Remember too that the entire point of communism is to abolish private property, to abolish commodities by means of eliminating quantitative exchange value from the dual concept of value, and plan the economy on the remaining qualitative use value instead. This action eliminates the bourgeoisie as a class since there is no longer any quantitative value to accumulate. This is what class analysis is supposed to lead to, not this hyper-fixation on which individuals belong to which class and what their moral categorization is.
Petite bourgeoisie is hated because their existence showcase the awefulness of everyone else.>bourgeois moralityis actually really fucking good morality. Stealing bad, antisocial behaviour bad, being nice good. Wow so oppressive!> bourgeois culture"booooh it's so unsophisticated and...fun? Why are you having fun without having your nose up your ass? can it even be called culture?">bourgois lifestyleimagine creating wealth, making yourself and people you work with better of. Who'd want that?Vapid intellectuals hate them. Antisocial lumpenproles hate them. Rent-seekers hate them. Because they're right. A society where petite bourgeoisie is influent is a society that prosper and improves.
>>17980536They are hated because humans are angry karens that lash out at whatever is in view. Workers never see their ruler, but they see bourgeois bankers and lawyers, likewise rulers see mostly bourgeois bureaucrats and officials worming around plotting. Emotions are not strategic, a ruler might try to whip up hate against the "bourgeois" as an excuse to confiscate their property, but not the loyal party nomenklatura on whom they depend.
>>17979202The rich hate them because they cant rule without them so they have to pander to them, buying them off with tax cuts and promises of social advancement opportunists, and the poor hate them because they identify more with the rich than the poor siding against them politically even when it isn't in their direct interest to, and because of envy.
>be medieval peasant>run away to the local town>build a financial legacy in the city>you become such an important tax base that you gain special rights >a dream come true for a peasant>fast forward a couple hundred years>somebody opens a shop in town>marx: REEEEEEEE KILL THIS BOURGEOIS >everybody: why are you using that retarded language, don't you mean burghers?>uh.... no? I mean the BOURGEOIS >are you calling a first/second generation shopkeeper in berlin a burgher?>NO I CLEARLY SAID BOURGEOIS
>>17979202Petite Bourgeoisie have the worst traits of all classes, hence got looked down on by the Nobility, and mocked by the Working Class. Regular Bourgeoisie don't like the Petite Bourgeoisie either and the retards in this thread don't realize they're not the same.
All public officials should be slaves.
>>17979202What is the difference between them and employers of the government?
>>17979202Is the petit bourgeoise identity dependend to worker and rich? Is societies with no industry or tich people, if you have some primitive working tools. Can you be considered one?
>>17979202Workers and rich people destroyed the societies and nature in past centuries.Industrialisation, by workers or capital. Made a lot of harm to the planet.
>>17980101Fukuyama says that China has an economy similar to Germany and protestant.... Where big corporations are main working area. But , if i remember, Japan and Italy have a more small companies tendency, pb style. And theyr economy is more efficient.
>>17984640There are two distinct abordation that complement each other. Italy, and from a point japan with "keiretsu" that has a cooperation sistem of small companies that are the backbone of industry. Then taiwan and nederland aldo are more oriented to small companies. Petit bourgeoisie had and has more efficient economy then German and Chinese one. Due to flexibility of small companies. But has some limits for large scale projects.
>>17980542>le poor business owner is the same as le corpo so marxism bad!!!Class is seen through the lens of selling or not your productive labor. The guatemalan/poor business owner is largely free to work however he pleases, as long as he is valued by society. The ceos and workers can't, they work for somebody else.Marxism isn't about gibs to poor, it's about working for your own (escaping alienation) and not for someone else. That's why the majority of marxism is focused on the grand bourgeoisie, and not the petite bourgeoisie.This is something that is objectively true, whether you like it or not. You might disagree that it's not always rational for the workers to work for themselves (which I would agree) but it's not irrelevant at all to capitalism.Besides, it's not as if it really matters because left-wing discourse has strayed from marxism and condemns the rich unequivocally.>>17981886>antisocial behaviour bad, being nice good. Anon capitalism doesn't reward kind behavior. As an other anon pointed out, bourgeois culture is just self-serving egoism. There's nothing more antisocial then it who views everything through the lens of profit.>booooh it's so unsophisticated and...fun? You got the last part wrong. The bourgeoisie tried to emulate the aristocracy, but failed. It lacked both esthetics and enjoyment.>imagine creating wealth, making yourself and people you work with better of. Who'd want that?Not the people it's made at the expense of ?>A society where petite bourgeoisie is influent is a society that prosper and improvesAnon they don't bring in taxes, they don't improve technologically, and they're conservative.>>17981973Retard you don't have to make special scenarios up your head. A one-liner would've been the same bait quality.>>17979202They're worthless from a productive lens and they're conservative out of interest. I don't mind them but they can't contribute fundamentally as much as the other classes.
>>17984677The only person retarded is Marx who used the term bourgeois to name an undefinable class of people from 200 years ago and suggested they existed in an industrial world The confusion caused by who was actually drawing his ire is caused by his own inability to actually define his criticism The entirety of leftism is based on wordplay
>>17984684The bourgeois is the one who owns capital and who sells surplus money, itself derived from profit - wages.It's not wordplay, it's only a tool to help understand society for the concept of alienation.>The entirety of leftism is based on wordplaySuch as ?
>>17981886Real world does not care about habitus such as culture, aesthetics, lifestyle and morality.Petit bourgeois companies are the backbone of inovation and economy.
>>17984677Theres no difference between communism and late stage capitalism both a system in which the rich elite statecorp owns everything and you the stupid usefull idiot goyim proletariat equally own nothing, marx who lived on the finance of millionaires while never working his entire life simply created a bourg trick that midwit 90iq liberals in "higher" education keep falling for pathetically
>>17984775Brainlet retard. Regular Bourgeois are the backbone of innovation and economy.
>>17984802Bourgeois are just capital owners. Moving capital from one acount to another does not make you an artisan. Neither a worker who just works repetitive and pricerural things.Hegel when he says workers overtake the masters wasn't reffering to industrial workers. Industry was inexistent. It was an alegory for the artisan whi crrates things for master.
>>17979202They are the most hypocritical class of all. They cosplay as working-class heroes while desperately clinging to their tiny fiefdoms, exploiting a handful of employees just enough to feel superior to both the proletariat and the big capitalists.
>>17984791>what's the difference between the state owning the economy for its citizen and individuals owning it for themselvesgrim, very grim...
>>17984802Also i am pre agriculture shepherd type if human. I have no deal in any of your wars of commie vs capital, worker vs rich, peasant vs citizen. Nation vs empire.I am out if your spectre if human civilisation for your last 5000 years.
>>17986321My grand parrents house is hand made vernacular.
