The Messiah is a person who will live up to a series of prophetic expectations and partake of an era marked by particular characteristics. In absence of such being the case, Jesus cannot possibly be the Messiah.>The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. Isaiah 2:11-17, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9Currently large swaths humanity do not worship the One God of Israel.>Knowledge of God will fill the world. Isaiah 11:9, 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9,16, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalm 86:9Note that this is knowledge of God - not simply unsubstantiated faith in God. Even amongst the faithful, such knowledge is rare.>All Israelites will be returned to their homeland Isaiah 11:12, 27:12-13, Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24, Deuteronomy 30:3Though there are more Jews today living in the Land of Israel than there have been since the exile began nearly 2,000 years ago - there is still a large diaspora consisting of millions of Jews.>The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness. Isaiah 51:11The Jewish people have been historically subject to a great degree of persecution (the Holocaust, the Inquisition, pogroms, etc.) and while generally our condition has improved, we are still a perpetual target.>Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel. Isaiah 52:13-53:5While modern Germany as a nation-state does much to repent of its history (i.e. the Holocaust), various states and human institutions with much blood and guilt on their hands, to this day either remain silent, white-wash/cover up history, or in some perverse instances even exult in it.
>>17979633>The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance. Zechariah 8:23While there is today an emerging interest in observance of the Noahide laws (the Torah's universal laws of man), there still has not been an en masse turn towards learned Torah observant Jews for guidance in spiritual matters.>Weapons of war will be destroyed. Ezekiel 39:9One need only momentarily consider the trillions spent on arms by nations such as the U.S., China and Russia as well as the existence of an immense military industrial complex to realize that this is not the condition we find ourselves in today.>A person’s genealogical/tribal membership are transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father. Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17Jesus whose alleged sketchy genealogy is maternal cannot possibly be a verifiable descendent of the tribe of Judah.>The Temple will be rebuilt. Micah 4:1, Ezekiel 40-42, Isaiah 2:2-3, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14:20-21,The Third Temple is not a metaphor, it is not symbolic of a man. There will be an actual physical building where all of the ritualistic components that the Torah commands be implemented, will be administered by Leviim (Levites) and Kohanim (Priests).
>>17979635>World Peace: Isaiah 2:4, 11:6, 60:18 Micah 4:1-4, Hosea 2:20The list of ongoing military conflicts is too long to list here. One can hardly pick up a newspaper or hear a news report without being informed of the latest battle, bombing, strike, etc.>Christianity claims that Jesus "Fulfilled the law," i.e. the law is abrogated and need not any longer be observed.Deut. 13:2-7 concerns the "false prophet" - if one arises who attempts to draw the Jewish people away from Torah observance then he is to be identified as such. The Torah's commandments are an eternally binding covenant with the Jews, God is not a whimsical being subject to a willy nilly changing of the rules - "God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent" (Num. 23:19)>All Jews will embrace Torah observance. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8-10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27.It is fairly obvious that as the situation stands today, lamentably only a very small percentage of Jews live in observance of the Torah. Secularism has widely been embraced by Jews and some even go so far as deeming such virtuous.>Jesus cannot be a part of God, not him, anybody or anything. Deut 6:4.The idea of the Messiah actually partaking of divinity is anathema to Torah Judaism. God is ONE. His oneness is inviolable and is not that of a compound unity (like twelve eggs make one dozen, or three divinities make one god).
>>17979633>>17979635Gas yourself kike
>>17979639The law is eternal.>Genesis 17:9, Exodus 12:14, 12:17, 12:24 12:43, 13:3, 27:21, 28:43, 29:9, 30:21, 31:17, 34:27, Leviticus 3:17, 6:22, 7:34-36, 10:9, 10:15, 16:29, 16:31, 16:34, 17:7, 23:14, 23:21, 23:31, 23:41, 24:3, 26:46, Numbers 10:8, 15:15, 19:10, 19:21, 18:23, 35:29, Deuteronomy 4:40, 5:29, 12:28, 18:5, 28:46, 29:28-29, 32:40, Joshua 1:8, 2 Kings 17:37, Isaiah 34:17, 40:8, 57:16, Hosea 2:19, Daniel 7:18, 1 Chronicles 17:22, 23:13, 2 Chronicles 2:4, Psalms 111:7-8, 119:44, 119:52, 119:142, 119:160, 148:6...and that there are no references to it ever passing away.
>>17979643Rambam: (H. Melakhim Ch. 11):>In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel. Then, in his days, the observance of all the statutes will return to their previous state. We will offer sacrifices, observe the Sabbatical and Jubilee years according to all their particulars as described by the Torah...>If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider him Moshiah. If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Moshiah. He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose.' If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not the redeemer promised by the Torah.https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1188356/jewish/Chapter-11.htm
>>17979648On a second coming…The Messiah will basically be a human religious leader and a warrior king born of a young woman. He will not die and come back, rather he will live a mortal life within which he fulfill the prophetic expectations. Bar Kochba (who led the rebellion against Roman occupation), was once considered as a messianic candidate. However, once he died and thus failed to live up to the aforementioned expectations, the Sages effectively shrugged and said "oh well... he wasn't it." To borrow a phrase "The God of the Hebrew Bible sends the messianic king to accomplish his end, not to follow a two-part script in which the hero tragically dies and the words 'to be continued' suddenly appear on the screen."
Whats the prophecy of enslaving the gentiles? That's what I'm interested in.
>>17979640I can't wait to see you cry out in pain as HaShem eternally condemns you to burn in hell for worshiping Yeshua instead of him alone. Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me”.
>>17979661Christ killing kikes are fucking cursed by God, the devil's agents and human garbage.
Who sets up the prophecies? Who validates the prophets? What makes Jesus less of a messiah than what makes John Doe a prophet?Take for example the Apocalypse fanfic of John. The whole thing about the woman of the apocalypse is just a retelling of the birth of Venus.So what validates John as a prophet to follow, but not Jesus?
>>17979694look how chirstians never adress the fact that yeshua never fullfilled any the prophecies
>>17979712>being this historically illiterate >on /his/He fulfilled at least one prophecy via TITVS after the proverbial 40 years periodIt's well documented go get fucked by your creepy rabbi ugly hooknose freak
>>17979633Correction" Israelites is not only Jews. But also all 10 lost tribes. Wherever they may be now
>>17979725Jews still exist, but there is no Roman Empire anymore. No state calls itself Imperium Romanum nor does anyone follow Roman paganism anymore (neopagans don't count, they're LARPers).So no, we are not "forsaken". Enjoy hell Goyim
>>17979640>>17979654>>17979694>>17979725>thread about theology>low IQ wignats who never went to church start seethingHoly based.
>>17979731>jews still existRev. 3:9. Hadrian did not bring 12 legions just to enjoy the Palestinian beaches you dumb larper >But there is no Roman Empire anymore>he kvetched in Latin scriptEvery European who is not a kugel or gypsy is a son of Rome ya dumb inbred khazarfreak
>>17979633yeah, whatever, you stole the idea of messianism from Zoroastians during the Babylonian exile anyway
>>17979736What theology thread you stupid inbred?jews are demonstrably wrong, the talmud is a pile of shit, and Christianity is the True Faiththere's your precious thread >where is the proofask them to pilpul Isaiah 53 (OT) and see how they kvetch
>>17979742except that (you) are wrongChrist rebuked the babylonian pharisees on several occasions read the NT
>>17979712He was also the bastard child of a Roman soldier named Pantera and this has been proven to be correct as in 1859, they found the tombstone of a Roman soldier named Pantera who lived from 22 BCE - 40 CE and was also apparently stationed in Judea around the time Jesus was born…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Julius_Abdes_Pantera
>>17979737>Rev. 3:9Christianity is false, so this means nothing>Hadrian did not bring 12 legions just to enjoy the Palestinian beaches you dumb larperHe tried to destroy Judaism. There are still Jews today, but no Romans. >muh Khazar theory>source: literal whoAlso according to actual sources and archeology only Khazar nobility converted to Judaism and only for a period of 100 years, after that they converted to Christianity but shortly after that they were massacred by the Cumans, Pechenegs and Durdzuks. Modern Jews absolutely do not descend from Khazars.
>>17979743>sar I'm a Christian sar No you're a mentally sick wignat who hates non whites while simultaneously crying about racism from jews towards whites. You are a hypocrite and Jesus feels ill when you utter his name.Christ is King. I denounce the Talmud, Israel, Mohammad, and the Quran.
>>17979779>Modern Jews absolutely do not descend from KhazarsTrue. That theory is retarded. Modern Jews mostly descend from ancient Italians who converted to judaism before christianity became popular.
All jewish fairytale psyops
>>17979781don't cut yourself on that edge jewboi
>>17979785>Italiansand Greeks, Cypriotes, Kurds probably, Slavs, etc etcKhazars are just the tip of the ice(berg)
>>17979779>Implying the Romans ever failed in eradicating a rebel tribe>Implying further they failed so at the very pinnacle of their power and prestige>Implying for the third time Hadrian would show any mercy at a tribe that continuously attacked Roman citizens I get it you have to go on with the larp because the rabbis said so, but try to be less obvious. don't mention ancient history when you discuss your tribe's nefarious misdeeds.
>>17979761Literal kike propaganda
>>17979807/pol/tranny cope. You didn't even try to engage the point because you know it's right.Keep crying about racism you retarded racist.
>>17979835Who's crying? and 'jews' are not a race anywho
There's a state in Germany, I forget what it was called, but I visited and it was crawling with antisemites.
>>17979633>>17979635>>17979639>>17979643>>17979648>>17979650I’ve noticed that none of you have provided a single counter-argument to what they said. Maybe actually try to debunk each and everything said here…
Incorrect. The greatest gift we can give God is to upon leaving this place, go and make our own universes as gifts to show God so that God may go and visit us there. Christ is the Messiah of this world. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. The powers that be sought to corrupt his message and condemn us to this place. They will lose. In fact, they have already lost.
>>17979633he was, but the way christianity is understood and practiced today is not the salvation and dominion he provided for his people
>>17979725That's not something jesus fullfilled
>>17980394I already debunked the narrative of Jesus being the messiah. Actually respond to what I said goyim.
>>17979781They're cursed.
>>17979824>Implying the Romans ever failed in eradicating a rebel tribeYet they failed here as Jews still exist>Implying further they failed so at the very pinnacle of their power and prestigeYet they failed here as Jews still exist>continuously attacked Roman citizensNever happenedKys goyim
>>17981062based
>>17981062>kvetching hardlmao keep larping ashkegoy you can 'revive' dead languages all you want, history speaks otherwise Hadrian did eradicate the ivdaean tribe and renamed Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina (you) are a gypsy mutt with no patriarchal ancestryyour kind did not even have surnames until 200 years ago when Napoleon forced you to get civilized
>>17981062>never happenedoy vey the kike is illiterateread you dumb inbred
>>17979633>Pic>Though there are more Jews today living in the Land of Israel...Those who identify as Jews today have zero connection to the ancient, Biblical Israel or Jews.
>>17979731>So no, we are not "forsaken". Enjoy hell GoyimThose who claim to be Jews today have nothing to do with the ancient or Biblical Jews or Israel.
>>17979779>Modern Jews absolutely do not descend from Khazars.They originated with gnosticism in the 3rd to 5th century AD. The Talmud borrowed heavily from gnostic heresies that were widespread at that time. Later they converted a large number of pagans into their manmade belief system.The people who claim to be Jews today have absolutely no connection to the 1st century Jews mentioned in the Bible or to Biblical Israel.
>>17981540Hard cope, christcuck.
>>17980937You did not respond to my assertion, so why bother with your regurgitation? You think in boxes. Most everyone does. You pat yourselves on the back for it all the while. I'd pity you but you will have what you want, so there would be little point. And I am not a goy, nor am I of your kind. I wouldnt want any to do with either at this point. The narratives all fall apart under their own weight anyway.
