There's a lot of there is a lot of insecurity here about Mesoamerican conquests. I know it hurts, right? The Mayan pyramids were some of the tallest structures in the world when they were built in the Classical period. The number of structures per square kilometer in Mesoamerica was greater than most of the European territory, even in places like today. The "impressive" European cathedrals were only built centuries later, when the Mayan civilization had already collapsed. If the Mayans hadn't suffered this collapse, they would probably have built even larger structures. It's a fact that they were at an impressive level for their timethe Aztecs and were masters of impressive botanical understanding, the most advanced on the planet, including Europe. And, by the way, they had absurdly sophisticated bureaucratic systems, with things like mandatory public education, which many "civilized" people of the time couldn't even dream of, just like in the cold lands that lived off plunder throughout their history.Who needs bronze when you have hieroglyphics and precise calendars, right? They themselves stated how superior and impressive the cities were. I think it's cool how you drool over "Indo-Europeans" who were shepherds using stone tools and bone necklaces while at the same time you despise and try with all your might to diminish the magnificent Mesoamerican achievements. You lost. Copper was used by Native Americans as early as 8000 BC
>You lost.You're right, truly, the Mesoamerican Civilizations ru- ah, wait, no, they don't, they all died out. All of them.Huh.Guess they're not so superior after all, huh?
Highest civilizational potential.
>You are barbaric!!>Human sacrifice!>Hey, they killed people every dayEurocopers, what now?
Does anyone hate how they just destroy all of the mesocitiesLike couldn't they at least save some of the ruins instead of building churches and stuff on top
>>17981389True, they can no longer use this argument.The vast majority *2/3of the sacrifices were prisoners of war, who would die on the battlefield if not in the pyramid.
>>17981397No, because that was literally the retroactive justification for the slaughter.
As expected, no answersWhy? Afraid to debate? Isn't the massacre in other threads enough?
>>17981353I emphasize
is there like a single non-european language left in the entire new world? I dont mean like some jungle-gobbledygook a few injuns here and there still speak but like a proper language used by a whole nation first and foremost
>>17981485Answer the arguments
>>17981353Bump
>>17981487He can't
>>17981353Considering the overall primitivity if their technology(a water mill - dotting the English countryside even in 11th century) would probably make their minds blow up in awe, they weren't.Just like many other neolithic societies thet had a cyclical overflow of manpower which they used to build megalithic structures. Wow so advanced omg omg epic.At least it's nice to know at least one sudaca shitposter stoped copying with le spanish supremacy threads and accepted being an injun. It's some form of growing up
Tenochtitlan was at best like 1.5 square miles of nothing but channels of water dug through mud in the bottom of a drained lake where they used their own feces as fertilizer and shit and pissed in the same water they drank from
>>17981353>how you drool over "Indo-Europeans"seething haplojeet detected
Eurasia had more domesticable animals such as sheep, which leads to larger draft power, more transport, and immunity to more diseases.
>>17981936Mesoamericans had impressive hydraulic systems, with dams, reservoirs, and pressurized ceramic aqueducts, as well as running water in some palaces. However, it's intriguing to note that, despite their advanced knowledge of mathematics and volume, they don't seem to have used water to power machines or harness steam power, as the Romans didLoser
>>17982037all the waterworks nonsense is cope because they were literally drinking shit water
>>17982036And unfortunately, 2/3 of them couldn't build massive structures for some reason
>>17982040>nonsenseIsn't even an argument.You couldn't understand my point, isn't? Tard, go to sleep and stop arguing things that you have no clue.
>>17982050the aztec aqueduct thing is completely made up, nobody ever talked about an aqueduct
>>17982053
>>17982056>a dam/reservoir is an aqueduct no, sorry
>>17982058Read the pic againMesoamericans were comparable to Europeans in terms of metallurgy and achievements in engineering, architecture, mathematics, and military complexity. in water management and city size, they were closer to Classical Antiquity, leaning more toward the Greeks than the Romans. You lost, again.they were at the global forefront of sanitation, medicine, and botanical science, even into the sixteenth century. Better than barbarope, An impressive civilization in many respects.
>>17982066the only american civilization to make true bronze were the inca and they were just at the experimental level before getting conquered
>>17982069Cope
>>17982447Proper bronze is copper tin alloy. This shows a clear understanding by the people making the bronze that tin makes the bronze better. Many people around the world accidentally mined copper with arsenic in it. When this is alloyed it makes a similar bronze as tin copper. But this is not bronze age technology, it's Chalcolithic tech. The problem with this level of tech is you can't tell if they knew they were mining arsenic rich copper on purpose or not, because it's naturally occuring. So it's pretty hard to tell if they were a stone age transitioning culture or a Chalcolithic culture. This is why the claim that they made bronze, this they were in the bronze age, is fundamentally wrong.
>>17982484Your changed the subject It's simply amazing how all these "coincidences" happen. Ruins of the Templo Mayor right in the center of Mexico City? Oh, it must be just a coincidence. Spanish conquistadors, friars, and Aztec nobles all telling the same story? Coincidence, surely. Codices with accurate pictorial representations? Just another coincidence. And workers finding palaces and temples exactly where historical sources say they would be? Pure luck, of course. And earthquakes revealing the outline of Tenochtitlán as an island? Well, that's just geology being... geological. It must really be just a huge coincidence that everything fits together so perfectly.
>>17982547>pictorial representations???You know what's really damning about this picture? How small the "city" is
>>17981353¡VIVA ESPAÑA!
>>17981353it's an anomaly, it's why it's so maddening to study the regionThere's things I just like about those guys. I think the elaborate larp rituals of the aztec are just awesome. People don't realize this, but the biggest showey tenochtitlan sacrifices were the culmination of super elaborate ritual larp theatrics, like, you'd have some guy impersonate the God tezcatlipoca for an entire year, he'd larp 24/7 as that God, fucking with people and playing the flute, and got sacrificed after a year of this role-play. And you probably had like two dozen of these impersonators living around your city. It reminds me of Borges "babylon lottery" short story, you just don't get that kind of thing in the old world. I feel like we're missing it in today's society. you get the sense that this was a culture that admired mastering complexity above all things, and it was probably something inculcated in them at the dawn of their civilization. >you'd have all these amazing super-elaborate rituals going year round. >they had all these different literary traditions existing at the same time in the same region, instead of one just taking over like you would expect. >everyone gets combinatorial names based on numbers and weird day-names. The entire reality moved like clockwork in mesoamerica, and the real "master of mesoamerica" was who could keep the most plates spinning while they were in charge, not just keeping a stranglehold on the region, but living up to the presentation *jazz hands* standards their whole theory of reality had always demanded of them. The mexica prided themselves on being able to show up in a new region and integrate the traditions of that region into their stack of spinning plates.
I REALLY REALLY like codex style art, it reminds me of modern animation motifs developed in the late 20th century, or modern video game art. I think the aztecs were super ahead of their time with this stuff, and I sometimes fantasize of what aztecs would do with modern animation technology or even flip-books. It was in their murals and they would make amazing turquoise mosaics with the codex style figures. I wish so badly we had a continuous tradition of that all the way up to the present.There's so much cool stuff the mesoamericans do with pictorial art. When you look at something seemingly banal like a tax record or a census or a lands map, the tlacuillo scribe does all these mezmerizing motifs and little quirks in the drawings where everything they touch is a work of art with its own charm and personality. These motifs are ancient, the trail of footprints thing on maps goes back to teotihuacan and before. The curled angles and codex-style thing goes back to the beginning. I also like how in mesoamerica the natural rulers and peoples had these epic sagas tracing there history back to some mythical event, like how the codex selden starts 800 years in the past when the original ruler spawned at the local mountain where the kingdom was, and then traces the history all the way up to the present into the colonial era in this crazy complex tapestry of events and locations, the conquest of the region isn't touched upon in the codex selden. You just don't get that kind of thing with most old-world royalty or whatever, at least not in europe.
>>17981371I wish, but no, there are millions and millions of them shitting up the continent.
>>17982691>>17982710now that I think about it, pretty much everything about mesoamerica feels a little bit like a video game. the art, the way of life, the city-state soap opera politics, the city-building style (in anahuac at any rate). It's no wonder autists are super into mesoamerica. then the old-worlders come in just when things are getting good and the game suddenly wasn't fun anymore and everyone rolled over and died
*coughs*
>>17982600>>17982053you can literally see the aqueduct in that drawing at the top, there's even a text annotation that says "Ex isto fluuio Conduxit Aquam in Ciuitatem"
>>17982600>>17982053>>17982739In Roman idiom, conducere aquam commonly means bringing water by conduit, i.e., an aqueduct.Nota bene: classical spelling is aquaeductus English aqueduct
>>17981485Paraguay
>>17981353"The pyramids" are the most primitive and unsophisticated grandious building of non-european origin. Litteraly the bunch of slaves just clusters the rock upon each other. What can be so easy in indea and hard at the realisation at the same time? I hardly prefer roman roads, roman dome, roman aqueducs and gothic arches.
>>17981353>this superior civilization was destroyed and routed by a bunch of incels, killers and robbers from Iberia that nobody wanted in their landsLook if you want to claim to be superior then actually put in the effort to survive and defeat the "inferior" invaders instead of dying to their diseases and getting your females fucked enmasse by them
>>17981485Nahuatl is slowly coming back
>>17982710>>17982691i wonder if bronze age middle east civs were similar to a extent
>>17982720>and the game suddenly wasn't fun anymore and everyone rolled over and died>>17982728
>>17982691Its the mesolarp spammer Out
>>17983163There are some Mesoamerican pyramids up to 70 m high
>sacrificesYears
>>17982739>Highly stylized fake map of the city >Used to lie about how advanced mesoamericans were>There's a little stream of water inexplicably being delivered to the inner city Hmm
>>17983324Most of the sacrifices were prisoners of war who would likely die in battle anyway. And there were also volunteers. But let's put things in perspective: you're judging the Aztecs based on standards that don't apply to their context. Meanwhile, history is full of examples of mass religious violence, such as pogroms, crusades, and the burning of people who wouldn't convert. The Aztecs may have been more theatrical in their sacrifices, but they weren't the only ones to kill for religious reasons at that time. Perhaps it's time to look at history with a little more context and less moralistic judgment.You LOST
>>17983326>Used to lie about how advanced mesoamericans wereWtf are you talking about
>>17983335You are aware they actively lied about how advanced mesoamericans were to get funding
>>17983338Not happened Show to us these "lies"
>>17983345The aqueduct is a lie
While the Mesoamericans and Andeans were building impressive cities amidst the jungle and mountains, the Europeans were still shitting themselves in mud huts and living in precarious conditions. Perhaps European "superiority" was just an illusion created by those who never looked beyond their own walls. Their reaction to the New World may have simply been a reflection of their own insecurity and envy. Who knows? Perhaps history needs to be rewritten with a little more honesty.>When the Spaniards first arrived in Mexico, natives bearing incense burners were assigned to accompany them wherever they went. The Spaniards thought it was a mark of divine honor. We know from native sources that they found the newcomers smell unbearable.Eurostinks
>>17983346This has already been explained herewhy do you consider it a lie?
>>17983235The collapse of the Classic Maya period is a debated topic. Although there was a significant decline in some cities and kingdoms, it is true that many others continued to thrive in the Post-Classic period and even after contact with the Spanish, albeit on a smaller scale. Mayan history is complex and cannot be reduced to a simple collapse. Nice try, but you failed miserably, another defeat
Why does mesolarp try to be intellectual and impartial with his formal and semantic writing? There is clearly a confirmation bias in his posts, today the retard is just making himself sharp with his tongue
Many Catholics insist that their church pioneered public education, but this is simplistic at best and false at worst. Compared to the European states of the time, the Aztec educational system in Tenochtitlán was likely the first public education system in history. it's time to acknowledge the facts without bias, isn't? I know it can hurts...
>>17983360>maya>mexicoanon
>>17983350they were plague maxing
>>17983356No it hasn't, post a single piece of irrefutable evidence there was an aqueduct. And don't post a picture where the mud huts they were living in look like castles
>>17983382Seethe
>>17983350Eurocopers.. not like that
>>17983446that is what are you doing anonopen your eyes and see
>>17982711Those are rape babies not the real deal.
>>17981397Funny story:In Cusco after the conquest, the Spanish tried to do their usual thing where they tear down native temples and use the materials to build churches, but the Inca temples were so absurdly well crafted they just couldn't break them down. Instead they built on top of them to cover them up. However, all of the Inca architecture was designed with earthquake resistance in mind and the spanish buildings weren't, so after a few years there was a huge earthquake that almost exclusively destroyed spanish buildings and made it an architecturally inca city again.
>>17981944>>17982040>drinking shit water???They got fresh water imported from aqueducts, and people regularly bought bottled spring water in the markets.
>>17982600>You know what's really damning about this picture? How small the "city" isThat "map" doesn't even align with known ruins.
>>17983673Notice how big the city center is and how few rows of houses it has around it. Maybe 3 at max. Now look at how many rows OP has, like 20. Something ain't right
>>17983732Tenochtitlan also was originally two large cities that grew into each other overtime, meaning there should be (at least) two large ceremonial town centers
>>17983737You mean two small islands?
>>17981353>Mayan civilization had already collapsedThat's what happens when you kill off all the white people. Their belief that God will hear you if you sacrifice his people, white people, if both correct and misunderstood. It is not a coincidence that as they were finishing the sacrifices of the last with any white blood that the whites then returned from across the sea to lead them into the next age.
>>17983739A very large amount of Aztecs settled on the islands all at once since their prophecy told them to. They founded cities on the two largest islands (tenochtitlan and tlateloco) and some smaller settlements on the smaller ones, and over time as artificial islands were created they all merged together.
>>17983745Reality is, the reconstruction of cities was brutal and systematic. It wasn't about preserving pre-Hispanic architecture, but about imposing their own vision and dominance. And now? We don't see authentic Mesoamerican cities, just ruins and some colonial structures trying to mimic the pre-Hispanic style. It's like their history was erased. And Japan? There, history and culture are preserved with pride. A glaring difference, isn't it?
>>17983762The Spanish and their allies were more violent while destroying the Aztecs
Here is (I believe) the only photograph of an authentic original macuihuitl. It was misidentified as a samurai weapon, hence the armour, and it was destroyed when the museum caught fire.
>>17983762See here>>17983365Out
to put an end to the archeduct issueTikal, Palenque, and other Mesoamerican cities had networks of aqueducts, reservoirs, drainage systems, irrigation canals... A true masterpiece of engineering, besides retards like you keep considering they were in the "Stone Age." It's impressive how they managed all this without ever seeing a modern architectural project, isn't it? Who knows, maybe they accidentally reinvented the water wheel.
>>17983746They didn't make artificial islands, they drained the lake
The Spanish, those saints. They destroyed Tenochtitlán, burned innocents who wouldn't convert, implemented a system of slavery that killed thousands... And they still have the nerve to present themselves as "conquerors" and "civilizers." It's hilarious how they can destroy entire cultures and still get away with condemning "heroes." And let's not forget the pogroms, the religious wars, the witch hunts... They were the true experts in violence and intolerance. An Inquisition? Just a small part of the show. Spain was a true spectacle of blood and fire. And now, they want us to "get over" the violence of the past? Who knows, maybe they'll start apologizing for everything they did.
>>17983789I knew mesolarp was a leftist faggot
>>17983781What do you expect to gain from saying nonsensical bullshit like this? Don't you ever feel guilty about making up outright lies? Truly subhuman behavior
>>17983803Everything you believe about the Aztecs is an exaggeration. >Aztecs drain the lake with dikes>Dig trenches through the mud >Plant things in the mud and use the trenches to float their boats through>The lower water level and dikes act like a large filter>Higher quality water flows through their trenches>They probably drink and cook with it >You: WHOA COOL THEY BUILT A ROMAN AQUEDUCT AND EVERY HIT WAS ACTUALLY A CASTLE WITH PLUMBING WHOA
>>17983809Wow fascinating! What are some scholarly credible sources for all this since you're clearly not just making shit up?
>>17983814There's not a single primary source that supports the existence of an aqueduct
>>17983814You lost
>>17983819Again, another just outright lie. Just off the top of my head they're mentioned in The Conquest of New Spain. Also random deflection, come on, where are your sources for the bullshit about no artificial islands? Theres parts of mexico that literally still make them the same way today.Once again, aren't you ashamed of yourself for lying like this? If your ideology is true(you're very obviously just shitting on the americas because of ideology) then why would you have to lie to support it?>>17983836pathetic samefag
>>17983841If there were source for an aqueduct you would post them. I'm pretty sure this is just spics pointing at the Spanish aqueduct they built for them and saying they built it
>>17983854>If there were source for an aqueduct you would post them.i literally just did, The True Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz, the most famous spanish primary source about pre fall tenochtitlan other than Cortez himself.
>>17983861"system of canals and causeways"That's not an aqueduct
>>17983865First of all, he literally describes smashing them to stop water to the city during the siege.Also:>“This great city contains many fine and magnificent houses… and it has two aqueducts, made of masonry, which bring the water from a distance of two leagues; one of them is so large that ten horses can go abreast, and the other is smaller. The larger serves when they clean the smaller, and so they are cleaned alternately.” -(Source: Hernán Cortés, Second Letter to Charles V, 1520)>“From Chapultepec they made an aqueduct of stone, which entered the city by way of the causeway, and supplied the city with fresh water, which is very necessary because the lake is salty. The aqueduct had two pipes, so that when one was being cleaned, the other could carry water.” -Source: Francisco López de Gómara, Historia de la Conquista de México, 1552>"There are two aqueducts built of masonry which bring water into the city from a distance of two leagues. One of them is so wide that a horseman can ride through it at a gallop." -Bernal Díaz del Castillo, Historia verdadera de la conquista de la Nueva España
>>17983882What the Spanish did was smash the dikes which were holding back the rest of the lake and flooded the islands
>>17983886They did both of those. Source: I actually fucking read and you don't.Now quit dodging questions, come on, where are your sources for >>17983809? Or are you going to admit you're just lying and making shit up?
>>17983895I'll just debunk your sources
>>17983909alright im done replying to your dumb indian ass
>>17981353This just reads like the type of cope that Indians will make up about the IVC. Why are you guys fundamentally unable to appreciate your history for what it is, and how it achieved successes despite the odds' being stacked against it? Nothing is going to change the fact that the middle east was the first, or that the Mediterranean were the furthest ahead by about 400BC, or that Western Europe pulled ahead by 1300AD, or any other facts of history, but you don't NEED to change them to appreciate your history for what it is. I don't have any illusions about my country's snownigger history, but I can still appreciate it for what it is. Why's that so hard for you?
>>17983917Cortes first says >Along one of the causeways that lead into the city are laid two pipes>water, forming a volume equal in bulk to the human body, is conveyed by one of these pipes, and distributed about the city, where it is used by the inhabitantshe then says>reservoirs resembling canals are constructed on the bridges through which the fresh water is conveyedso now there's no pipes >reservoirs are the length of the bridges >canoes pass under the bridges on which the reservoirs are placed, when men stationed above fill them with waterno pipes, water's not going into the city and people on boats have to paddle up and get water
>>17983976Jesus christ, it should be illegal to use an english website if your english is this bad. There's no speaking to you, you literally can't read.
>>17983996Lacking critical thinking is pretty common with brown people. How come cortez only mentions these great works when he's talking to the king?
>>17983998>I am fully aware that the account will appear so wonderful as to be deemed scarcely worthy of credit; since even we who have seen these things with our own eyes, are yet so amazed as to be unable to comprehend their reality. But your Majesty may be assured that if there is any fault in my relation, either in regard to the present subject, or to any other matters of which I shall give your Majesty an account, it will arise from too great brevity rather than extravagance or prolixity in the details
>>17983998Lmao you're in no place to talk about critical thinking.What, do you think someone was just following him around copying every single thing he ever said or wrote? His notes to the king are what we have and what are archived, and obviously the aqueducts would be a very important thing to mention since they were relevant to the governance of this new province. He's also not even remotely the only primary source mentioning the aqueducts, I literally posted several others.I'm honestly amazed by your utter lack of shame or dignity. I recognize the way you post from the times you've raided other threads, and you just keep getting completely btfo by cited scholarly sources again and again, but you just keep coming back. Do you have a legit sub 80IQ? If I got explicitly and objectively proven wrong like you i'd just admit I was wrong, or at the very least just quietly leave.
>>17984037The other person didn't mention aqueducts, he said they had dug canals. Cortes himself also doesn't mention aqueducts when describing the city in his notes
>>17984045Wait are you actually just replying to posts without reading them? Holy fuck. I wish I knew you irl im sure you're a next level lolcow
>>17984045Here's what the other person says I WAS TOLD>there was an aqueduct on land that delivered the water to and area where canoes could pick it up and deliver it to the city literally a creek
>>17984060>cortes mentions they had to deliver fresh water to the city>his buddy says so tooso cortes lied about the pipes, blatantly, did he lie about the reservoirs? were the only actual reservoirs at the mouths of creeks? I suppose this was the case.
>>17984104>so cortes lied about the pipes, blatantlyWhats your evidence of this exactly? Why would he do that? And what about shitload of other sources mentioning them?>>17984060>literally a creekA creek made of stone that could be easily emptied to be scrubbed out?
>>17984110yes a fresh water creek, there were dozens of them flowing into this massive lake they partially drained, that's where they got their water. At least, sometimes. I imagine with relatively little effort they could have built something out away from the bank to hold the water which allowed boats to fill up
>>17984122You're just so delusional and stubborn its hard to believe. We have dozens of primary sources mentioning large stone aqueducts and pipes, denying their existence is like denying the sky is blue.
>>17984136If there was plumbing then why were canoes delivering water by hand?
>>17984162Because well off natives enjoyed drinking bottled spring water, they sold it in the markets.>“There are also many men who bring water in canoes, which is sold from house to house, because though there is an aqueduct, many prefer to drink the water that comes from a certain spring.” -Hernan Cortez, Second letter to Charles I>“Although there is an aqueduct that brings good water, there are many canoes that come from a place where there are springs, bringing water which the nobles drink, for they say it is better than that which comes by the aqueduct.” Bernal Diaz, Conquest of New Spain
>>17984180but they were selling the canoe water in the markets
>>17984188Yeah, I literally just said that you stupid illiterate faggot.
>>17984196So when you craft a lie you use real elements, cortes feels compelled to address the fact that canoe water is the main water in the city and is delivered regularly
>>17984180>because though there is an aqueductWhat aqueduct? I'm beginning to think the letters are fabricated.
>>17984203Since the natives were pissing and shitting in the water supply it makes sense that nobody wanted to drink it.
>>17984203>cortes feels compelled to address the fact that canoe water is the main water in the city and is delivered regularlyFirst of all, why? Second of all, what about the absolute shitload of other sources mentioning them, both native and spanish?>>17984207alright im done you're just making an ass of yourself, you have no reading comprehension or critical thinking skills. You're repeatedly provided with objective proof proving you wrong and you just double down again and again. You have no connection to reality. Here are some reading comprehension tests for 10 year olds, you need them.
>>17984224>whyIt's how humans think, when they lie they draw on reality. The best lies are 90% truth and Cortes is lying to the King, essentially the closest thing to divinity. He's going to craft the best lie he can for essentially illegally invading >shitload of sourcesall quoting cortes, a liar
>>17981353>I know it hurts, right?why is everything about emotions and feelings with you people>The Mayan pyramidsthey were just stone cladding over a natural hill unlike their egyptian peers, and it does not compare to something like the pantheon of rome with its eerily modern unreinforced concrete dome, its large scale does not indicate they had some advanced technology unbeknownst to other civilizations>structures per square kilometerif someone builds 10k single storey adobe huts in a square kilometer while another builds 5k 3 storey brick homes, what does this indicate exactly>absurdly sophisticated bureaucratic systemsagain, how do you quantify this, how would they compare to say the roman legal system, we have 1000s of surviving legal texts and fragments from rome, why would mayan bureaucracy be "absurdly sophisticated" or "more sophisticated">mandatory public educationmost commoners received no education, not much different from other civilizations>Indo-Europeans"so 3000 to 1200 BC, mayan pyramids didn't even exist then, even if they did the dates don't tell us much about the "superiority" of their civilizations, the indo-europeans lived in barren frozen steppes while mayans lived in a lush warm farmland, despite this the indo-european fashioned spoked wheel chariots and elegant bronze weapons and conquered civilizations of the same scale as the mayans, it is like saying someone born poor who built his own business is less intelligent than a trust fund baby who squanders his wealthmayan civilization was not wakanda, there was nothing exceptional about it, you take this or that snippet of information like "HURR MAYAN PYRAMIDS WERE SOO BIG", ignoring context like them never discovering the arch after 1000s of years, among other things, then get excited like an actual retard while everyone else poker faces
>>17984237Pretty sure that anon is asking why Cortes would lie about there being aqueducts.>He's going to craft the best lie he can for essentially illegally invadingI'm not an expert on Spanish royalty but why would the existence of aqueducts make an illegal conquest permissible?
>>17984574He was trying to get the king to ignore his transgressions by delivering him Atlantis. He exaggerated the development of the natives to indicate possible revenue streams and to suggest that there were more civilizations, possibly even more advanced civilizations. The king would be motivated to support Cortes out of greed, but also out of the desire to use these people in order to force project in the region
>>17983310I ain't mesoanon, fag
>>17984237You got BTFO
>>17985109How? He gave up when I pointed out that there's no point to ship most of the city's water by hand if there was an aqueduct into the city
