>Catholic/Orthobro says the Quran was revealed by Satan/a demon to lead people astray>Quran constantly says the Gospel = Faith + Works
>>17982205>>Catholic/Orthobro says the Quran was revealed by Satan/a demon to lead people astrayNeither of us say this. We believe that it was purely the work of human imagination. Much like other alledged corrective scripture revealed by an angel such as the Book of Mormon. It is possible that maybe Satan had something to do with the creation of Mohammedanism, but his imput is not necessary for heresy to emerge, the human mind is perfectly capable of leading people astray on its own. Also, ascribing Mohammedanism to Satan would be giving him too much credit in my opinion.
>>17982205ok, what else does the Quran say?
>>17982218>Neither of us say this.We do. Catholics do, in factSt. Augustine and St. Francis were among the most vocal in calling it out. St. Francis personally went there, barefoot, and challenged the sultan that he would walk on coals with the Imams to prove that their god is falseThe sultan refused the challenge but conceeded defeat by letting him preach around, protected
>>17982243>We do. Catholics do, in factI am Catholic, and I don't believe that. Neither is it a requirement for Catholics to believe that.>St. Augustine and St. Francis were among the most vocal in calling it out.As speculation, sure, but not certainty.
>>17982237That the sun sets on a muddy spring.
>>17982243This never happened. The trinity is Satan speak btw
>>17982310Trinity of a pedophile, a rock, and a book written 400 years later, I pressure?
>>17982356Muslims don’t worship multiple gods like heathen christcucks that had to genocide the arians for believing it was fake and gay.
>>17982397You are a MuslimDon't play that game
>>17982402Muslims aren’t pagans. What game?
>>17982411>you are an idol worshiper just like us!He meant that game, it's a Christian favorite
>>17982411Muslims are idolators
>>17982500why are christians such blatant hypocrites?
>>17982500Muslims do not worship idols
>>17982243>We do. Catholics do, in fact"But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things" - DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH (LUMEN GENTIUM), SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS (POPE PAUL VI), ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964
>>17982512uh huh
>>17982532Disappear the cube and the stone and Muslims would still pray at the spot and to the spot. Are they idolaters still?
>>17982541Sure, you willSure, you will
>>17982545lol you don’t know anything gaslighting faggot
>>17982512they worship the quran
>>17982549I am not gaslightingI am mocking youWe all know that your sex cult is dependent on the existence of MeccaOnce Saudi Arabia goes bankcrupt, Islam is dead.
>>17982545>idiot is on the history board and doesn't know this already happened at the hands of other muslims
>>17982556And the reason why you have to rebuild it over and over is because you cannot worship without it
>>17982553>words of God>idolNo.
>>17982557>worship stopped until it was rebuilt>muslims destroyed what allowed them to worship in the first placelmao
>>17982555If Mecca were to disappear right now muslims would still find the spot and pray to that direction. You christcucks are mad that you worship idols and we don’t.
>>17982559>>17982560Yes, yes, the spot is your idolYour pedo cult can't leave that shitholeThe world can reach the stars and you rapists would still be there :^)
>>17982562A spot dirt and air can’t be an idol because it was not man made
>>17982567Idol means "anything"Place, tree, rock, lineage, anything but the maker
>>17982562>the spot is your idolGuess Daniel was also an idolater for praying towards a spot. The same one muslims prayed to prior
>>17982573Praying towards it =! praying to itWe don't have the temple anymore and yet, we are here, calling you out for worshiping a degenerate :^)
>>17982571The dirt and air aren’t God.
>>17982586And he also isn't a pedophile :^)
>>17982587God isn’t a pedo neither was Muhammad. How are we idolators? A three dimensional spot isn’t an idol. It’s a spot that God say to pray towards.
>>17982591>neither was Muhammadhehehehe
>>17982578>Praying towards it =! praying to itYes it is according to your logic. Show me one companion or muslim scholar that says we are praying to the spot itself.>muh templeThe same one that is going to rebuilt and worship services resumed? And it is irrelevant, christian "laws" also dictate a direction for worship according to your saints
>>17982593Bro, you travel thousands of miles to kiss a rockStfu
>>17982598What's wrong with pilgrimage or kissing black stones as your bible teaches?
>>17982603Gee, I don't knowHow's the rape in Mecca?
>>17982607>I don't knowOh so it's another baseless claim, nice!>rape"Saudi Arabia has general crime rates 100 times lower than that of America. In 1981, the rates of forcible rape were 0.33 out of 100,000. Badr-el-din Ali suggests this may be due to Saudi Arabia having a synnomic state of culture, where everyone uncompromisingly shares the same values.[205]"
>>17982623Do you really believe that?LOOOOOOOOOOL
>>17982627>muh conspiracy!Guess I shouldn't believe the Vatican having pretty much the same rape statistics as KSA then. They are clearly hiding something
>>17982633
Christians and Muslims are both engaging in idolatry. Christians by making a man equal with YHWH and Muslims praying towards a meteorite and claiming their holy book is coeternal with God (apparently God speaks Arabic).Of the two, most Christian denominations are probably worse offenders.
>>17982639>retarded points completely fail one by one>changes the subject>>17982644>coeternal with GodNope! "We have come to ask you about this matter (i.e. the start of creations)." He said, "First of all, there was nothing but Allah - https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3191"
>>17982633You are on the netWe know what Muslims do, and you're making us laugh
>>17982655>Many Muslims believe the Quran is uncreated, meaning it is an eternal attribute of God, not something God created. This view holds that God's speech is a part of His essence, and since God is eternal, His speech (the Quran) is also eternal.Thanks Gemini
>>17982663Your chatbot is talking about the ashari understanding and they most certainly are not talking about any Arabic wording. The traditional understanding is that God's speech is uncreated but not eternal, since he speaks to us in time
>>17982668Isn't it time for you to pray to a meteor?
>>17982660>I have been fed propaganda by /pol/tards therefore I know how the world workslmao
>>17982672News isn't propagandaGovernment-released numbers are :^)
>>17982677>shitty infographics you got from xitter and tabloids isn't propagandasure thing
>>17982688You are posting government numbersWe know the truthYou know the truthAnd we are laughing :)
>>17982692>official statistics bad>literal who making up stuff good
>>17982695hehehehe
>>17982623What does the Quran say about women?
>>17982205>Quran says that Muhammad flew to the moon and cut it in halfWhy do you believe in flying Arabs anon?
>>17982633Uhh why didn't jesus drop a lightning storm right on that orgy spot?
>>17983142Oh you see, God used to do stuff like that but has ceased since basically we started recording history properly... Really makes you wonder. They'll totally get rekt in the afterlife if they don't repent though!My personal view is they will face consequences in this life (drug charges, disease) and possibly in future ones (bad rebirth or misfortune in future lives).
>>17983174He still do that, actually, but it has always been super rare. There are like 500 years interval before he does supernatural stuff and there are always warning signs that he is getting pissedHe uses ordinary men for most
>>17983176>500 more years you'll see!Is this the Christian "two more weeks"? When was the last one, in your opinion?
>>17983179FatimaAkitaEquadorKibehoHe's been very active latelyGuess judgement day is coming and he wants everyone prepared
>>17983208Well I guess if you are so extremely credulous you'll believe some random kids who "saw the virgin Mary" you must accept Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc miracles with the same amount of evidence, no?
>>17983214All their prophecies happened and are happening right nowEcuador predicted Sexual RevolutionKibeho predicted the Rwanda MasscreAkita predicted Pope FrancisFatima predicted WW2 and predicts that Vatican will be raided by soldiers who would slaughter everyoneShe never said silly things like a fly on your glass of milk should be dunked deeperThe prophets told us to test the spirits, and tests we shall do
>>17983216Matthew 4:7 NRSV[7] Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ”https://bible.com/bible/2016/mat.4.7.NRSV>MFW a Catholic doesn't know the Bible
>>17983218Even the devil can quote the scripture.Won't work.Go fuck a goat
>>17983220Wow, really loving your neighbor as yourself... assuming you fuck goats? Funny how you assume I'm Muslim and tailor your barbs for a negative stereotype of people in the Islamicate world. Good luck with your quest for truth.
>>17983229Don't ask us to set a standard that you are not willing to giveWe love our neighborWe destroy snakesIf you worship lies, then you deserve what you get
>>17983232Really following the example of Jesus there, this will win you a lot of converts - referring to non-Christians asking questions as snakes.
>>17983237You worship a pedophile. You are worthless
>>17983239You are posting little girls and lashing out imagining I'm Muslim. Me thinks you are projecting a bit. Oh, and if we want to talk about pedophiles... can't forget about those priests and the Roman Catholic Church covering it up.
>>17983244Everything has pedophilesBut you worship oneYou are worth less than dirt
>>179832461) Muslims do not worship Mohammed2) I am not a MuslimThanks.
>>17983256Face the truth and confess.You are filthy.
>>17983258Utterly deranged.
>>17983260Save yourself, i beg of thee
>>17983174>God used to do stuff like that but has ceased since basically we started recording history properlyHe stopped with the death of the last apostle, because the purpose of miracles is to confirm His word which He has not given since then. There were ancient church fathers who noted that miracles had ceased.
>>17983261If I can save myself, I guess I don't need a savior?>>17983263Cessationism is a convenient argument.
>>17983263No, there weren'tEveryone adheres to the fact that miracles are still happeningEusebius of Caesarea personally documented many miracles, such as Miracles of Narcissus and the Plant of Caesarea Philippi:
>>17983271Save yourself by rejecting your pedophile and facing the Truth, dumbass
>>17983174>They'll totally get rekt in the afterlife if they don't repent though!You mock this? Do you think you can escape the judgement of hell, or that the arrows of God's wrath no longer find their targets? Does God not have unlimited means of sending sinners to hell? How do you suppose you will escape the court date, will you live forever? Do not delude yourself either that your death is far off, for a bird does not fall without the Father's knowledge, He can and often does stop your heart in a sudden moment. Those who are not in Christ hang over a precipice, they stand suspended above the gaping maw of hell and nothing prevents their descent except an uncovenanted, incensed God. Therefore flee your wickedness to the only hope for salvation which any sinner has, the cross of Jesus who suffered the totality of the penalty against all who repent and believe.
>>17983275So arrogant. I feel bad for you. Also for the churches having to deal with Pharisees like you turning people off religion in general and Christianity in particular.>>17983277Sorry, not buying an omnipotent God who can't create a world not filled with evil. Read your Euthyphro.
>>17983271>Cessationism is a convenient argument.It is also a historically orthodox one>>17983272>No, there weren'tYes, there were>Everyone adheres to the fact that miracles are still happeningNo, they don't. Example: John Chrysostom, commenting on 1 Corinthins 12, says "This whole place is very obscure: but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now? Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity has produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more?">Eusebius of Caesarea If some fathers believed miracles continued to happen, this would not imply all fathers believed it. Even one is sufficient to refute the claim that miracles ceased with the development of modern history.
>>17983283>Sorry, not buying an omnipotent God who can't create a world not filled with evilHe didn't create a world filled with evil.
>>17983295I agree, the Jewish god did NOT create the world.
>>17982397Yeah instead you worship le magic rock in the desert lmao
>>17982205This thread confirms that Christians do not even know what idolatry is. Apparently it's everything but an actual idol. Let's see what the bible says.>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or ANY LIKENESS OF ANY THING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.So what is the cube an image of again?
>>17983600As per the first paragraph of this excerpt, Augustine refers to people who think the image hears them and sees them; people who even view the image as having a reality greater than that which it represents. No Christian today says in their heart: "this icon or this statue is the true saint (or the true God)." They instead recognise it for what it is - wood and paint, or perhaps stone, shaped into something approximating a likeness. But they do not worship these things or what they represent; rather, they honour the image inasmuch as they believe that the honour passes to the prototype.
>>17983600>>17983660From this passage, however, it would be hard not to conclude that Augustine was iconoclastic.
>>17983660>They instead recognise it for what it is - wood and paint, or perhaps stone, shaped into something approximating a likenesThat's the same position Hindus hold for their idols. Only extremely primitive societies believe the statue itself is their deity.>But they do not worship these things or what they representThey worship the one the image points to because they supplicate to them for supernatural things only God can grant. There's zero difference between praying to God and praying to Mary for example. One is just called Latria and the other Hyperdulia in name but it is the exact action performed towards different entities.
>>17983696>There's zero difference between praying to God and praying to Mary for exampleThere's a major difference. In the first place, Mary is only honoured through prayer, never worshiped. And while Catholics will pray "to" Mary, it is more correct in modern parlance to say they ask her to pray for them. No Christian believes that Mary is able to grant anything of herself, separate from God.
>>17983743>never worshipedExcept they explicitly say that during their prayer sessions. But the main problem is that this just becomes a distinction that only exists in words but not reality. There is nothing different at all performed by a christian begging Jesus to save their child from cancer or begging Mary to do the same. >No Christian believes that Mary is able to grant anything of herself, separate from God.They just believe she can order God to do whatever she wants making her functionally omnipotent.
>>17983743I'm going to echo what >>17983764 said, the difference between "worship" and "veneration" or whatever term you use to describe your relation to Mary and the saints is a distinction without a difference. You're still praying to a human when you could ask God directly. >but they've made God answer my prayer differentlyOh, so the saint can change the will of your supposedly unchanging God, change his "no" to a "yes" because they were REALLY good in their life? Like, God decided he wasn't going to let you find your keys before work, but you pray to St Anthony and this annuls God's will?
>>17983293That was a comment on Corinth 1;12, which refers to the gifts of the holy spiritHe believes that the gifts have ceased, not that miracles have stopped entirelyJohn Chrusostom is a firm believer in miracles, but has advocated the belief that it is better to focus on internal miracles than external ones
>>17983600Key word is *gravenDo you think that the golden calf is an image of God?
>>17984278The key words are ANY LIKENESS OF ANY THING. That means you aren't allowed to make your "icons" too
>>17984293*graven
>>17983764>>17984123No-one believes that Mary can order God around or change His will. Scripture nevertheless affirms that the prayers of a righteous person availeth much. Christians are a family, and, like any family there is an economy of love that sees people communicate and intercede for other another. And this is despite the fact that there is one head of the household, and only one individual with true and lasting authority.
>>17984302miracle of Cana, broMary managed to convince the LordJesus told her that it is not yet the time for miracles, but since it was she who asked, the plans were acceleratedYes, Mary can convince the Lord
>>17984299The bible uses the word that refers to any image or representation.>>17984302>No-one believes that Mary can order God aroundI just showed you where her "prayers" are orders he follows and how because of this Catholics call her omnipotent
>>17984322keyword is representationTexts can be representative of God, too, but you are not going to say that writing the Bible is idolatryThe Keyword is *graven, not images itself
>>17984322>>17983764Words from the Saint aren't words of the MagisteriumWe have saints who condemned the use of Fork.The Catholic doctrine is that Mary is an intercessor, not a commander
>>17984312Convincing someone and bossing them about are two different things.
>>17984336Text is not in the likeness of God sorry unless you believe your deity is literally a bunch of Hebrew and Greek letters. Your graven cope also doesn't make sense because the translations place that prior to the word OR and also it can just mean idol anyway.>>17984350Yes she is an intercessor via her role as the Son's commander. The dormition and assumption of Mary and her innocence practically equates her to Jesus anyway. She was not a sacrifice but ends up the same way as he does
>>17984377>Yes she is an intercessor via her role as the Son's commander.No-one believes that Mary is superior to Christ or that she is somehow His commanding officer. You keep attributing beliefs to Catholics that they simply don't possess, which makes it impossible to communicate with you.
>>17982499Muslims are polytheistic. Thats why they can't understand how three persons are the same God. Allah is unknowable, and they all worship their own unique understanding. If they are threated with death, they practice taqiyya to preserve their own personal beliefe system, and you wont know what that is, because they will lie about it.
>>17982541>spining around in circles isn't idle motion.Lulz>that's not what the word idol means.Lulz
>>17984377>Text is not in the likeness of GodAnything can be in the likeness of God, even a golden calf, or a meteorite, or the moon
>>17984395>No-one believes that Mary is superior to Christ or that she is somehow His commanding officer.I showed you where that is the case so you claiming "no-one" is just a lie. These are saints, that means your church approved of them
>>17984410>anything looks like Godwow no wonder you worship everything under the sun
>>17984412The saints are not above the magisterium
>>17984414You worship a pedophileDon't throw rocks in a glass house
>>17984404>they can't understand how three persons are the same God.You don't understand it bro so how can you expect us to do it?
>>17982567The obsession with spinning around in circles is a man made compulsion, and its not getting you any closer to heaven. Does the all mighty infinite universe really care about some ants in a toilet bowl. Wake up. Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.If you want to worship God. Do good.
>>17984416Show me where the magisterium said these saints are wrong
>>17984426Anything outside of the magisterium is wrong
>>17984412"No-one" in this case refers to the vast majority of the faithful. This is what I mean - it's impossible to talk with you because you don't interact in good faith.
>>17984430>Anything outside of the magisterium is wrongShow me where they preach this>>17984431>majorityWhat they say doesn't matter. Many don't even believe the bread you eat on Sundays is actually Jesus' flesh.
>>17984441DEI VERBUMScriptures, Tradition, Magisterium
>>17984451Where specifically does it say everything outside of the magisterium is wrong?
>>17984470read it
>>17984420I understand it. I hope for your sake that you can figure it out, because Hubris leads to nemesis.Three persons are the same God.“Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.”On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
>>17984482I did, nothing stands out there that says everything outside of what they say is just wrong. The Catechism says the same things, still it leaves open the Holy Spirit teaching people things that are not in the text.
>>17984492>I understand it.Where is the analogy?>Three persons are the same God.Does that mean three human persons in a room are the same human too?>On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.Jesus prayed for the disciples to be in the Father the same way he is. Are they part of the godhead?
>>17984493No
>>17984506That doesn't say everything outside of the magisterium is wrong so I am not sure why you are posting that. I need to see where your saints are restricted from speaking about anything theological unless every word is explicitly approved by them.
>>17984493>>17984514"Guided by the Holy Spirit" means it must not contradict the Scriptures or TraditionThe Magisterium is the one supervising it, as they are the scholars and librarians who understand ancient languages and culture and can read it within contextAnything that contradicts the magisterium is a wrong
>>17984622>Anything that contradicts the magisterium is a wrongGreat but you haven't demonstrated how what they are saying made them heretics and that's the problem. I am fully aware you believe your popes and church hold the final word. Something being said outside the magesterium does not automatically mean it contradicts it.
>>17984629If it is not approved by the Magisterium, it is taken with a grain of saltIf it contradicts, it is heresy
>>17984636You can take it with a grain of salt but that doesn't change the fact that your saints still believed she is God's commander and that makes her omnipotent and your key to salvation. Nothing they said contradicts dogma
>>17984645No. The Magisterium is above the saints.Also, you are taking it out of context. The line you're quoting refers to how God takes command from Mary out of *shared authority, not superiority.It's a family. Not a dictatorship like your Allah, who only wanted slaves
>>17984501>Where is the analogy?Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding a measure of two, or three.For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.Now, do whatever he tells you.>Does that mean three human persons in a room are the same human too?They can be of one mind, and of one body. Yes.>Does that mean three human persons in a room are the same human too?Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands"Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.Do good. He is risen. He is risen indeed.
>>17984501>Jesus prayed for the disciples to be in the Father the same way he is. Are they part of the godhead?Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands"Defend the weak and the fatherless;uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.Rescue the weak and the needy;deliver them from the hand of the wicked.And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.Do good.He is risen.He is risen indeed.
>>17984655>No. The Magisterium is above the saints.I never denied that. Again I am not sure why you are bringing their authority up when they never pronounced anathema. The very fact they don't contradict is a problem for you. That "shared authority" is what gives Mary her right to boss the Son around according to those saints and your church said nothing against this as far as I am aware>slavesYou are a slave to Jesus according to the bible...
>>17984662>Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding a measure of two, or three.For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.That's not an analogy of the trinity. Try again!>They can be of one mind, and of one body. Yes.You believe three people in a room share one mind and one body and that makes them one person? Anyway you can't say they have the same mind unless you believe the Father can be tempted by evil>do not keep on babbling like pagansThat's what you were just doing.
>>17984668 “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”Do whatever he tells you.Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
>>17984668She is not a boss; she is the motherShe holds authority over Jesus, but that doesn't mean that Jesus is a slave. Mary commands out of love and he follows out of love.This is a family.And yes, we are all slaves. The question is, who is your masterWorship the Lord, and he will exalt you as if you were his child.Worship a pedophile, and you will join him
>>17984679>one person?Three persons. One God.There is no commandment greater than these.
>>17984404>Muslims are polytheistic>oh BTW here are my three gods who are actually one god because reasons* and also (if Catholic/EO) I pray to the saints and worship relics and imagesDude, I'm neither Christian nor Muslim but for a Christian to call Muslims "polytheistic" is quite silly. They don't even call Christians that, despite it being more apt. If anyone takes the idea of "no graven images" seriously it's the Muselmen. Just look at how they decorate their mosques/masjids.*reasons that no Christian can adequately explain besides "it is a mystery"
>>17984697The don't hide your faithYou worship a pedophile. Stand by it
>>17984700I'm not Muslim. Also, you don't understand Islam at all. They don't worship their prophet, they don't think he was a god like what you think about Jesus. At least try to somewhat understand what you are arguing against.
>>17984719Worship means to rule above your lifeHe is the one giving commands, he is the one you emulateTherefore, you worship him and his immorality
>>17984726Ah so if we use your definition Roman Catholics worship the Pope and their local altar boy molesting priests.
>>17984736We worship Christ
>>17984741All right dude, with your wild fantasy-based accusations and arguing in bad faith, I'm done. Good luck becoming less ignorant when you turn 18.
>>17984719They dont think anyone can know God, so their definition of God had no meaning. Thats why they spin in circles worshiping a point on the ground.
>>17984691>She holds authority over JesusAnd that makes her the boss...>Worship the LordHow about you start doing that? Jesus never said to associate partners with the Father such as his mother or himself. You even quoted the greatest commandment.>muh pedoBro you literally believe your deity came on Mary when she was 12 (according to early tradition, archaeological evidence, etc) to breed with her and the lived in her womb for 9 months, doesn't seem very consensual. Why does every christian argument have to turn into this shitfest? I don't even believe the authenticity of those particular hadith because of both traditional and secular modern critical methodology>>17984692You believe they share the same mind and body so what exactly makes them 3 persons?>>17984793>They dont think anyone can know GodNobody says this. https://www.abuaminaelias.com/whoever-knows-himself-knows-his-lord/ You are the ones that believe in divine simplicity who say God has no distinction in attributes making his love and wrath one and the same thing
>>17984811>to breed with herSwing and a miss
>>17984726>He is the one giving commandsNope! https://islamqa.info/en/answers/77243>>17984838He literally procreated with her, genetic material from Mary was mixed with his own. The same being that was birthed is also the same one that impregnated her.
>>17984811>what exactly makes them 3 persons?Identity.
>>17984904Identity of what? There's one center of consciousness since there is one mind. And there is one being/body according to you.
>>17984811>Nobody says thisThen I will say to nobody, >Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord.Because everyone must already follow this command. Perhaps that is why it is the first, and also the one that can not be disobeyed.I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.“You shall have no other gods before me"Now, let's love our neighbor as we love ourself, and accept that 3 persons are one God.Where two or three gather in my name, there I am with them
>>17984908>Identity of what?Infinity>According to you.According to us.
>>17984958>InfinityIn the previous analogy we were talking about human persons. How are they infinite?
>>17985074The chain of causes behind their will is infinite.
>>17985205Do Christians now believe in an infinite chain of causes like atheists who reject an uncaused first cause?
>>17985216Atheist dont reject an uncaused first cause. Hey call it the big bang.
>>17985240>Hey*they
>>17985240>nothing exploded, creating everythingworse than creationism, much worse than the universe always existing.
>>17985240Atheists are very diverse when it comes to their cosmology. Many of them in fact rejected the big bang when it was first proposed, some inclined to do so because it resembles creationism and the fact that a Catholic priest proposed it. For example this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Weinberg but in general they seem to be agnostic about the need for an uncaused cause or that there ever was a first one to begin with
>>17985216The infinite chain of causes, in the present moment, is the uncaused first cause.
>>17982205They deny the Trinity regardless
>>17986279That doesn't make any sense unless you want to throw causality out the window. The first is literally an infinite amount of causes and the other just one.>>17986296The bible does that by itself, it clearly speaks of an unipersonal God
>>17985369I dunno the idea of the universe always existing seems odd. Like there is something instead of nothing... seems to imply that something, somewhere along the line, turned nothingness into somethingness. I don't accept this as an argument for a creator God in the Abrahamic vein, but it needs to be addressed.
I didnt really understand the whole >catholics worship marry reeeee!!!thing until I went to a catholic wedding recently. I always assumed it was protestant exaggeration. >couple is wed by the priest >they go kneel in front of a giant 8 foot tall statue of mary>adorned with cherubs and roses>wearing magical cloak >with a halo/aura of gold and light>everyone says a prayer for mary to bless their marriage Kind of looked like worship to me. I wonder how many in attendance would be able to define dulia, latria, and hyperdulia?
>>17982243St Augustine was 200 years before Islam, dipshit.
