Serious question. Do those of you who's wheelhouse the 20th century his really think that if the Axis had won World War 2>inb4 was never gonna happenOk cuck well just hear me outLet's assume the Axis, at their peak, avoided World War 2 almost entirely or got concessions to allow for them to keep their conquered territory. So obviously they become the dominant global superpower coalition instead of the allies.Do they stop Current Year, or was all of this inevitable for reasons that go beyond who wins the last Big One?
>>17982262Your command of the English language is on par with most neo-Nazis
>>17982262Britain and France would absolutely not allow a Europe dominated by Germany. If they hadn't outright attacked Poland then war would have started over something else.
>>17982283Not a response. Thanks for the bump.
>>17982285This falls into>inb4 was never gonna happenBut, again, thanks for the bump.
>Do those of you who's
>>17982290>>17982294You're not getting satisfactory responses because people don't understand what you're trying to ask. If it's "How would the world look if Hitler won?" then just ask that, and the answer is there's a million hypotheticals and people have been wondering about this since 1945 just google it
>>17982262please don't post on 4chan if your english is this bad
>>17982262The axis didn’t trust each other so it’d collapse almost immediately
>>17982262>Do those of you who's wheelhouse the 20th century his really think that if the Axis had won World War 2wtf is this sentence anon. are you smoking crack? I get what your trying to ask with this post but wtf do wheelhouses have to do with anything>>17982313ifunny watermark spotted
Any number of things could happen in EIGHTY YEARS.World War II was EIGHTY YEARS AGO.I think this point needs to be stressed.There is EIGHTY YEARS between World War II and Current Year.
>>17982964The current world is defined by the allies victory.Only midwits don't understand that.
Every single "Germany doesn't lose" scenario as we have it will see Germany instead fall into factional infighting shortly after Hitler's death. Only historylets who come here after playing video games are seeking some reason why the enshittified mess that was Nazi Germany wouldn't implode when it didn't have wars to throw everything at. I am so bored of "what if Germany won WW2" alternate histories, I want to see an alternate history where they lose even harder
>>17982262probably. definitely a step in the reich direction
>>17982262ehyou just get cold war with USA vs NAZI bloc instead of USA vs commie blocthere’s probably a lot more instability than in the USSR though on account pf the whole racial purity thingI’d say it plays out pretty similarly but less decolonization happens overall and german empire falls into major civil unrest before deconstructing and balkanizing
>>17982969Just about everything/Pol/tards complain about "current year" has only come about in the last couple decades. Reminder that homosexually was still illegal in much of the US until 2003. Of course the world would be massively different if the Nazis won, but it'd also be massively different if Dewey won the presidency, Beria won out over Khrushchev, De Gaulle been successfully assassined, or if Stanislav Petrov took a sick day. Pinpointing everything on ww2 is in a way technically correct, in the same way blaming blaming Napoleon for ww1 is. It's very stupid.
>>17982262It would be horrible.Hitler would rule to this very day.
I always imagined that if the Axis won the war, the Boomer Generation would not be Communist Hippies like in our timeline, but instead be inspired by Germany's Space Program (since they have advanced rocket technology) and demand a stop to the Cold War and for closer cooperation with the Axis to explore the stars together. Presidents like JFK would lead that sentiment and if they are not killed like in our timeline, sign the first declaration of friendship between the USA and Germany.The last country to normalize relations with Germany would probably be Great Britain, because of their inherently religious attitude towards social issues, where everyone needs to come together like in a Church and advocate for personal responsibility to not let X spread or come to pass in their neighborhood. This attitude created the English Nanny-state. >>17983230Hitler had genetic heart problems. He knew he was not going to live for very long.
>>17983210You can cope all you want but axis winning would have changed everything and all the ills of the current world wouldn't have even the chance to slowly appear.
>>17982262The groundwork for Current Year was laid out in the 1970s and 80s when the New Left abandoned classical Marxism in favour of Gramsci's cultural leftism. They captured positions of power and influence which the moderates and right wingers didn't think of (journalism, academia, bureaucracy). Axis winning or losing has little to do with the Current Year, if by Current Year you mean things like homosexuality being normalised and other idpol issues.
>>17983238The ills such as?
Unfortunately cause and effect mean it had to happen exactly as it did. While it can be fun, it's all just speculation.
> 1945-1960: The Cold War BeginsThe world settles into a tense, three-way Cold War:The Axis Powers: The technocratic, fascist "New Order" of Europe and East Asia.The American Bloc: The diminished USA, clinging to the Western Hemisphere and its remaining allies (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and a terrified UK).The Rump USSR: A bitter, starving communist holdout in Siberia, occasionally waging a brutal guerrilla war against German settlements west of the Urals.The German Reich pours resources into wonder-weapons. They detonate the first atomic bomb in 1947. The US follows in 1949, Japan in 1951.The space race begins early, with German Wunderwaffe scientists like von Braun launching the first satellite (Sternenkugel) in 1954.> 1960-2000: A Fractured, Stagnant WorldNo Marshall Plan means Europe's economy is a slave to the German war machine. Technological progress is impressive in military and aerospace fields but stagnant in consumer goods and civil liberties.The USA becomes a paranoid, isolated fortress nation. The "Red Scare" is replaced by the "Grey Scare" (fear of German infiltration) and the "Yellow Peril" (fear of Japanese influence in Latin America). McCarthyism never ends.The Civil Rights movement is brutally suppressed. The federal government, obsessed with "national unity" and "social order", sides with segregationists. The narrative is that social upheaval is a weapon of the Axis to weaken America.Without the post-WWII liberal international order, globalization never happens. The internet, as we know it, is not developed. Instead, separate, walled-off networks exist: the German Reichsnetz, the American LibertyLink, and the Japanese Daihatsu Netto. [1/2]
>>17983245Life in the United States of America, 2025> GovernmentThe US is a one-party state in all but name. The "National Unity Party" dominates politics. Elections are held, but they are between different factions of hardline nationalists and militarists. Dissent is not tolerated under the sweeping Internal Security Act of 1952.> Social PolicySociety is highly stratified and conservative. Women are encouraged to be homemakers to boost the native (white) population. Racial segregation (de jure) and antisemitism (de facto) are enshrined in law, justified by the state as "learning from the efficient social models of our rivals". Homosexuality is a severe criminal offense.> TechnologyTechnology is advanced but uneven. The military and aerospace sectors are world-class, a result of a relentless arms race. Computers exist but are large, state-controlled machines. A citizen might have a terminal for state-approved news and work, but there is no open World Wide Web, no social media. Nuclear power is everywhere; oil is a scarce strategic resource controlled by the Axis.> CultureAmerican culture is frozen in a 1950s amber. Rock and roll was suppressed as "degenerate." Jazz and blues are marginalized. Cinema produces endless patriotic war films and simplistic moral dramas. There is no British Invasion, no Beatles, no cultural exchange. Art is state-approved propaganda.A citizen's life is one of routine and suspicion. People work for state-sanctioned corporations. News is delivered via state-controlled television networks (American Broadcasting Corporation, or ABC). Religion is highly promoted by the state as a bulwark against "Godless fascism," but churches are heavily monitored. The one gleaming pride of the nation is the American Space Command. While the Germans have a permanent base on the moon (Lunabase), American posters show rugged astronauts planting flags on Mars, a symbol of a future victory that never seems to come.
>>17983238If it were a cope you would easily be able to come up with a counter argument, but you seem unable to. >wouldn't have even the chance You never know, 80 years is a long time. 80 years was the lifetime of the USSR, another stagnant bureaucractic and authoritarian state much like nazi Germany, nothing lasts forever. And no world is perfect, there will always be ills, even those which you'd dislike.
>>17983248Personal liberty is virtually non existent, attractive jewish women are forced to defecate into wet paper bags at gunpoint, their clenched sobbing faces broadcast from coast to coast on libertylink override every hour on the hour, and if one of their slimy bowel movements tears the bag into which it was deposited it is only further proof of her genetic inferiority, the punishment is she will be executed immediately on live tv with her pants around her ankles (or her skirt pulled up around her tummy). The method of execution: decapitation via one swift swing of a shining German broadsword forgerd from Solingen Steel. Her severed head will be left face down in the bag tearing pile of her own excrescence, her meaty body will be ground up into kosher sausages stuffed in her own intestines.
>>17982262The current year phenomemon does not happen in China or India. It happen in the globohomo west. In your what if scenario, the globohomo west wouldn't be in central Europe, and it would not be more present there than it is in Singapore now.
>>17983245>Axis>technocraticLol. These fuckers thought the atom bomb was Jewish science and the majority of their military was supplied by horse and cart
>>17982262They couldn’t have avoided WW2. They put the whole economy into war production if they didn’t start the war the economy would collapse miserable and so would the state. There is no way they would have ever avoided the war, since their very existence was based on the promise of a war.
>>17982262jews were already planning a new world war in 1933 before hitler even had full power dumb goyim think months or days ahead while jews think in terms of decades ahead
>>17983994no that was roosevelt and his gang of 73 jews
>>17983915why did it take the us russia and bankrupting the entire british empire who controlled 34% of the earths resources and manpower to beat a country the size of wisconsin though?
>>17984003Cry all you want, you lost.
>>17982969>that's right libtard, they started importing shitskins THE EXACT MOMENT Hitler's head hit the ground of that bunkerI would respect you faggot types more if you weren't disingenuous about this and gloss over 40+ years of history following the end of WWII.
>>17984016im laughing at the so called winners.........now they get to subsidize a jewish ethnostate while being drowned in diversity........now move your ass time to invade well um whatever country israel doesnt like at the moment
>>17984029Don't you live in one of those countries too anon? Surely you're not some brown third worlder who has no business supporting a German ethnostate?
>>17984040i freely admit my country like most "white " countries is ran by israel firsters
>>17984029Most young people today are anti Israel tho.
>Who is wheelhouse>Why does he wear a mask
>>17982262fascism is the way
>>17982939Upon further reflection, I asked this question very late at night and made several horrible typos for which I am sorry.
>>17983159I'm not totally sure how it is possible for them to lose worse than they did. Like what, France partitioning West Germany? That'd just make SS-Werwolf a reality.
>>17983210I think pinning WW1 on Napoleon is really mid by comparison. Like the Congress of Vienna way broke down by then. I mean you'd be better off trying to connect Franco-Prussian War and the Revolutions of the 1840s to WW1, personally.Fuck there's an interesting argument that the diplomatic stage was set a lot just by Queen Victoria's grandkids all being beefed out over who Grandma liked more.Have you heard the story about how Wilhelm II was her favorite, which made everyone resent him and that Edward barred him from her bedside until after she died?
>>17983233>English Nanny-stateI blame the paternalistic ideas of Burke and their influence more than that.>Hitler knew he was going to dieDid he really? Damn. Who was his top pick for a successor, assuming one was needed - do we even know?
>>17984021So what actually caused the importation of shitskins and was there any real bulwark that could've been organized to stop it?
>>17984547>So what actually caused the importation of shitskinsWesterners refusing to breed enough to keep the system functioning.>and was there any real bulwark that could've been organized to stop it?Enforcing borders and hanging retards who use cheap labor as a quick fix for a long term problem.At no point does this make me want to relinquish my rights to a militaristic paranoid government btw. I don't know why you fags act like the vindication of Nazism relies on misconstruing geopolitical issues that arose over 30 years after WWII ended.
>>17984566I'm a latecomer to agreeing with the Austrian Painter. I have SS collar tabs that were cut off of dead Nazis in the Western Theater. I'm proud of that legacy. But I knew the guys who took them and the people that knew them best; they would've never fought for a government that did this to it's own people anymore than they would've let someone take the side of someone who attacked their country unprovoked, killed their fellows and thought they would just get away scot-free after that.
>>17982262It would have hastened it
>>17982262The obsession with racial purity was itself a degenerate, hyper-progressive project. Instead of wokeness, you'd have state-mandated transhumanism and eugenics programs marketed as Wellnessbereich. They just used different pseudoscience
>>17984009Because they didn't know when to quit and were throwing children directly into the enemy machineguns even as mortar shells are landing on the parliament building and the dear leader is squatting in a hole in the ground with a gun in his mouth
>>17984145Because they're based and redpilled Nazis right? Right?
>>17984743A government that did what to it's own people?
China, India, and the Soviet Union would eventually challenge global domination.
>>17985648No, because they take issue with children being bombed by Israelis. /pol/trannies like you would be fine with the genocide if the Jews were White. That's the difference between you and them. You're just mad that the jews are doing it and not you. The image of some dead Austrian from 80 years ago is more important to you deranged trannies than civilians trapped under rubble as I type.
