>It really happened bro>up in that cave, trust me bro>evidence? You have to take my word for it lol>What do you mean most laws Allah PUBG gave to the world favor only Mohammad and his wellbeing? That's foolish, taken out of context actually>Abbasid Caliphate? Nah, that's just a coincidence. What, are you implying it was all made up for power gain? How is shit expected to be taken seriously and respected anymore?
>>17982943
>>17982943*suicide bombs you for asking these questions and gets 72 virgins*muslims think they always win in the end, because this is all just preparation for the next life
>>17982943Arabs will not suddenly become kind and friendly.PROPER empathy and PROPER sympathy is exclusively a Western thing.Granted, u see this with white ppl too (mainly Eastern Europeans), but empathy and sympathy, in its proper form, is exclusively a Western thing found in WESTERN Europe and North America.With the rest of the world (Asia, Eastern Europe, and North Africa, etc.), society (especially family and clan structures) tends to behave like what a Disney Channel live-action sitcom thinks high school is like, but in real life, and outside of school as well, if that makes sense. Ppl only care about their own reputation and the reputation of their family. They dont do "good" or "nice" things out of the goodness of their own hearts; they do it out of how they be seen.To give an example, Koreans tend to shit on and ppl who commit suicide. If u commit suicide in South Korea, u bring shame to the family. No one, not even ur parents, would feel bad FOR u. Ur parents would probably feel terrible about themselves. Not out of the realization that they fucked up in parenting, but because they be known as "the family with the suicide kid". Same if ur disabled, ESPECIALLY mentally.In South Asia, its common for ppl to literally throw their newborn daughters in random dumpsters because they want sons. Why? Because they care about reputation first and foremost.Despite these being RADICALLY different cultures, what the third world all has in common is that they lack PROPER empathy and sympathy. Even in countries seen as advanced technologically and economically, like China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, etc., they are still backwards on morals and mindset.
>>17982943This but for Kikestianity
The invention of the camera was the beginning of the end for religion in general>No more miracles since the video camera was invented
>>17982943i think internet will die before islam
>>17982943You underestimate how retarded the muzzies are. They worship a rock because it's pitch black. Let that sink in.
>>17983091The fact they had to be specifically promised to finally have sex in heaven tells you how much of a loser the average muzzie was and is.>Christianity sit by the God's side and be happy>Buddhism Transcend your human needs and achieve peace >Celtic paganism Reincarnate as something cool>Norse paganism Have battles and feasts with the gods forever >IslamYou will finally get laid! But only after you die for your boss (who has 6 wives btw). Most cucked religion imaginable and they go with it for 1400 years now.
>>17983363>sit by God’s side and be happyChristians aren’t going to heaven. They’re staying on earth. Only those descended from Jews get to go to heaven and they get to do whatever they want like in the Muslim concept of heaven. You lost.
>>17983098>white pplSorry but Germanic trash engaged in cannibalism back then. Take the wealth and they will resort back to their old selves. Germanic, Slavic and Celtic people were all called barbarians for a reason.
>>17982943This seems rather unlikely. If anything, the internet has made people stupider and less curious. There is lots of dumb shit in Christianity too, but I see no reason to attribute the decrease in religiosity there to the internet. Religion will die as living standards and general tolerance increases. It will never go away, but it can be politically marginalized.>>17983098You keep posting this, and again the reason the west is more empathic is because the other countries you are describing are more conservative. It is well known conservatives are less empathetic and compassionate than liberals and progressive thinkers. If those countries can ever be brought into the 21st century you will see an increase in empathy(and most likely a decrease in religiosity).
if anything, internet has made people more fanatical and irrational
>>17983374>Celtic people considered barbariansBy who, the Romans? Are you living in the 21st century with us caveman? OP is clearly talking about people in the present day context
You assume a level of rationality that Arabs do not have.
>>17982943The Al Zutt story already killed Islam.
>>17983191>>17983196rent free
>>17982943There is indeed a religion that didn't survive the internet, but it's not Islam.
>>17983692Your apologists admit it is complete bullshit lmao
All Internet has done is made low IQ people more confident in their beliefs by making them easier to seek other morons for confirmation bias.I am sure the effect will be opposite and Internet will lead to even quicker spread of Islam than before.
>>17983725You admit the Hadiths, which your entire cult relies on, are BS?
>>17982943>internet will be the death of islamfree speech is enough to kill islamtalk about a fragile ideology and its followersliterally fuck goats>>>/pol/515050597
>>17982943Uuuugh but they might go into Christianity long term thooo. It'll be fun at first but the problems will show up. I'm sure it'll be fun.
>>17983843>changes the subject and makes a claim that undermines his previous shit tier "argument"Can't expect anything more from a dishonest hypocrite.
>>17983469Progressive policies are the death of compassion.>neighbour is poorNot my problem. Government will give him gibs.>neighbour is sickNot my problem. Government will give him medicine.>neighbour is hungryNot my problem. Government will give him food stamps.
>>17983908>change the subject from his false prophet getting his back blow by niggers according to the hadiths to me >try to gaslight me into thinking that I am the one changing the subject Regardless of whether the Al Zutt hadith is true, Islam loses because if the hadiths are true then Momo was a faggot and thus couldn't have been an Abrahamic prophet since God abhors fags, and if they are false then Islam still loses due to the hadiths being the only things that can debunk the Quranic Dilemma Bible (The Bible is true according to the Quran, but the Bible contradicts the Quran). Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 93, Hadith No. 614
>>17984585I just showed you where your apologists admit it is bullshit (apus was so embarrassed at the state of your apologetics lmao) and then you coped by saying well then hadith must be not true despite your own orientalist scholars saying nothing of the sort. Now you are changing the subject again to muh christarded dilemma. You don't even need the hadith to destroy your idiotic non-argument. The very fact the author of the Quran consciously edits what your bible teaches is enough to demonstrate it is a general confirmation. It's literally what Jesus does with the oral and written law in the bible.
the internet has revived islam like you would never believe, especially among those living in western countries
>>17982943If facts and logic made people give up religion then America would be secular.
>>17983098It's overly simplistic and reductionist, literal brainrot garbage. How old are you?You realize that even various species of animals, including rats, experience empathy? Empathy is not unique to Western Euros. The way you talk is no different a Jew going on about "them goyim".
>>17982943The core spiritual message exists separately from the humans who inevitably corrupted it.
>>17983098>"Acktually Westerners are uniquely empathetic!">Actively displays zero empathy for anyone who isn't white/western by imagining them to be cold and unfeeling lol. lmao even.
>>17983075>>17983469>If those countries can ever be brought into the 21st century you will see an increase in empathy(and most likely a decrease in religiosity).How? By force? Modern liberals are moral relativists and will defend their conservatism if only to not be seen as saying their culture is superior.
Nowadays, scrutiny comes first, respect second—and some ideas simply don’t survive the scrutiny if they lack internal coherence.
>>17984609Muslims have to be ashamed of everything the hadith says about Jinn, like this, because it so obviously completely shows how false Islam is lol. Believing genies exist is something Muslims want to quietly ignore but it's all over the hadith and Koran.
>>17983716I would like to see the age bracketEveryone "leaves" Christianity at ages 14-35Then they return to the Church in 40's
>>17987162Holy Cope.
>>17987171No. That's just how it is
>>17987104>god not real because spirits
>>17987198>all examples from the right come from christian america or christian europe that's what happens when you repress and abuse people because of some jew schizo babble and tell them the only other option is satanism
>>17987202Richard Dawkins is UK
>>17987202>thailand and china however are based and tradYes the only other option is exactly that.
>>17987206Extremely browncoded post
>>17987198My point was very clearly "Islam not real because Jinn"
>>17987222Your point applies to everyone that believes in spirits, demons, angels, gods, anything not approved by le hecking science. A thing that constantly changes
>>17987237Why can donkeys discover Jinn but science can't? Muhammad said in https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3303 "when you hear the braying of donkeys, seek Refuge with Allah from Satan for (their braying indicates) that they have seen a Satan.".Muslims believe this too, look at https://zulkiflialbakri.com/459-a-donkey-brays-when-it-sees-a-devil/ which says "To close, we state that donkeys and dogs can see devils as stated by Rasullullah PBUH in the above hadith. Thus, when a person hears the bray of a donkey or bark of a dog, then we are taught to supplicate asking for Allah SWT to be protected from the disturbances of the devil, jinn and iblees who always try to lead people astray." Same with https://islamqa.org/hanafi/hadithanswers/120338/seek-allahs-protection-against-shaytan-when-hearing-a-donkey-bray/
>>17987278What does that have to do with what I am saying? Looks like this whole thing is just an excuse to post hadith. Oh no science can't detect how Jesus sent a legion of demons into a herd of pigs, therefore God not real.
>>17987287There's no such thing as Jinn, anon. Muhammad was just repeating false Medieval Arabian mythology that everybody believed in back then. He wasn't a prophet, just a Medieval Arab and he had the false belief in Jinn that other Medieval Arabs did, including silly things about donkeys being able to see them.
>>17987294Great so you are doing exactly what I have said. Your criticism can literally be applied to every religion. Even your whole donkeys seeing things others cannot. Why are you denying that?
>>17987296Maybe I misunderstood, I thought you were a Muslim looking to defend Islam.
If allah is real then why is Gaza rubble now? Genuine question. Why does your own god hate you so much? He seemingly loves Jews and Christians much more.
>>17987367I'm just going to chalk this up to Muslim countries having bad leaders that put themselves in disadvantageous positions like siding with Palestinians for literally no other reason than to spite Jews
>>17987367Christians are begging to be saved by other Christians, also https://quran.com/2/154-156
>>17987388You're deflecting. Please answer the question. Last chance.If allah is real then why is Gaza rubble now?
>>17987398Because Ummah Delicia
>>17987405This. Timmycels will never understand. Getting your kid to heaven right after spawning it is THE most holy thing you can do allahu akbaaaar.
>>17987398>>17987367In all fairness, God in general seems to hate religious people
>>17987398The answer is in the verses I quoted. And how is that deflection? You said they are loved more because of what is happening there. Yet they are saying that the ones you are currently shilling for are harming them so badly they require the assistance of the world. Even da joos aren't doing too well going by numbers alone. That's ignoring the fact that no regional ally is willing to trust them anymore after declaring war with every neighbor since.
>>17987419lol habibi your book is cursed or you'd have a good society by now
>>17983370>hands rubbing intensifies what kind of talmudic pilpul are you shiting out of your matzo hole schmueyl?Did you skip over Rev 3:9 like your creepy rabbis skipped over Isaiah 53?
>>17987424That's absolutely not the case according to Islam, quite the oppsite
>>17987434If your book makes for shit societies, then why follow it?
>>17987452It's not the book. If you even bothered reading what I posted you'd know when we actually follow it then we have very good societies.
>>17987458abdool, lol, you have had 1400 years of only misery. Just accept your place as bottom bitch after some eastern european nerds entered the neighborhood.
>>17987458So you ARE a Muslim trying to defend Islam. Answer my question: why can donkeys detect Jinn according to Muhammad, but no device do so?
>>17987470sure thing bro>>17987478>only one person existsschizo
>>17987470>eastern europeanbtw you are arabs
>>17987470>abdool, lol-ACK
>>17987484you know the cope levels are nuclear when the abd00ls start with ''14 centuries ago...''Stuck in the past, as their behavior shows!
>>17987484Taqiyya in action, nice. Why don't you answer my question then, Mr. Totally Different Muslim. Muhammad says Jinn do tons of things in daily life and donkeys can see them and alert you to them. Why, now that we have universal cameras and advanced sensors of every sort, is it still that the only sign we have of Jinn is donkeys braying?
It will not happen OP, not because islam isn't retarded, but because muslims are not interested in debating the merits of their religion against secular humanism or atheism. They don't understand atheism at all, it does not compute in their heads to NOT believe in a supreme creator of all things that directly judges every single minutia of your day to day life. Muslims just want to argue with christians about the trinity because it's their spiritual comfort zone. If you tell them "it's impossible for muhammad to have split the moon in half and stitch it back together, that's retarded, how can you believe this shit" they assume you're a christian who just disagrees with them about the prophet but still subscribes to magical thinking and miracles. They do not care that their 7th century desert religion makes no sense they want to subjugate you to their religion and way of life or kill you. As crude a belief system as it is it's effective as shit. People born into Islam either have to keep going through the motions or be killed because apostasy is a death penalty offense. Non Muslims are either "people of the book" that just need to be converted or subjugated or non-entities they don't even want to interact with.
>>17987506This becomes extra funny after learning the CIA realized this some decades ago and harnessed it to make muslim societies forever sterile and impotent.
>>17987509kaafir cope Syria is a powerhouse in the region right now
>>17983716>95-1+2=95>>17983878you have to go back>>17987162read the image retard
>>17987527Image says adultAnything past 16 is an adult
>>17987506There's no point in engaging with atheists. The greatest mass murderers in history have been atheists because its an ideology that lacks moral values, laws and purpose. You don't offer an alternative or explanation why atheism is good, you're just seething about God.
>>17987498Allah wants it this way there is no problem>>17987496I literally replied to your point about history. You too would rather live in a poor muslim society than a poor christian or atheistic one stop coping
>>17987567Poor Christian nations like Poland and Lithuania?Poor Muslim nation like...lmao
>>17987567>Allah wants it this way there is no problemNo, according to """Allah""", Jinn are very much detectable and very much active. https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3316 says "Cover your utensils and tie your water skins, and close your doors and keep your children close to you at night, as the Jinns spread out at such time and snatch things away."It makes sense that Medieval Arabs believed this sort of thing. Most cultures believe in such superstitions. But when's the last time a home security camera recorded a Jinn taking utensils, water, or children?
>>17987554>Atheists have killed people therefore my funny stories about medicinal camel urine and magical flying pegasi and jinn are all real.>Also you don't have laws because I say you don't. Look, here's a picture of fat people at a pride parade! You are decadent western I rebuke you! Alhamdulillah!!
>>17987576>Poor Christian nations like Poland and Lithuania?They are basically larping atheists, a poor christian country is somewhere like DRC or Uganda
>>17987576Poland is not poor what the fuck are you talking about? Muslims are even welcomed there by chuds btw so stop crying>>17987579Yes he does because the world is literally that way. "˹It will be said to the denier,˺ “You were totally heedless of this. Now We have lifted this veil of yours, so Today your sight is sharp!” -Quran 50:22"
>>17987576To these eastern european right wing shitholes christianity is just identity politics, part of le white identity or something
>>17987588Poor Christian nations can also be great, or at least have standards. Brazil, the Philippines, and Mexico are poor, but they still make the best of what they havePoor Muslim nations are all murder holes
>>17987592When's the last time a home security camera recorded a Jinn taking utensils, water, or children? Muhammad says they do all these things, and it's such a serious problem that Muslims must take countermeasures.
>>17987596Latinx America literally has the highest homicide rate in the world
>>17987596The poor christian nations you are talking about are filled with the worst murderers known to man wtf are you talking about
>>17987610>>17987608Highest reported homicideThey get to report it because they still have a functioning government that can record it. Islamic shitholes are all anarchy and no free speech
>>17987606ofc you ignore the verse that makes it explicit we have a veil on our perception anyway I need to go now and you are boring anyway
>>17987612lmao, cope
>>17987631There's no coping hereIslamic shitholes are on the tourist ban for a reason
>>17987616>the verse that makes it explicit we have a veil on our perceptionThat entire surah doesn't even mention Jinn. Not only that but you can for sure perceive when your utensils, water, or children get snatched away. What's more, Muhammad explicitly says that you can see Jinn. Muhammad says "There are in Medina jinns who have accepted Islam, so when you see any one of them, pronounce a warning to it for three days, and if they appear before you after that, then kill it for that is a devil." in https://sunnah.com/muslim:2236
>>17987637I'm sure the fine gentlemen who boast about skinning people alive, eating their organs and chopping them into pieces are actually all peaceful, law-abiding citizens
>>17987647Are you kidding?The Cartel worships Santa MuerteThey have elaborate rituals and priests dedicated to worshipping her and keeping her happy so that their enemies would die
>>17987612Yeah that's totally why it is happening and not the extremely harsh laws against crime https://www.csmonitor.com/1981/1230/123039.html>>17987657>no real catholicWhy do you people always resort to this?
>>17987657That's the legacy of christkikery; demon worship, chaos and degeneracy. Christkikery has been a huge failure and its evident by looking at christian countries, Latin America is the most violent place on the planet, Sub-Saharan Africa is full of aids and also unprecedented levels of violence, Europe is atheist and America is Jewish. Even if you bring up the Muslim nations destroyed by jews and their christkike golems, it still is nowhere close to how fucked up most of ''christendom'' is
>>17987668Because it isWe have standards here, and Jesus himself said that not all who call him Lord worship himThe Cartel does not worship Christ. The only time they enter a Church is when they smuggle drugs inside statues
>>17987672Santa Muerte is Aztec, dumbassShe's the last surviving god of the Aztecs
>>17987673>The Cartel does not worship Christ.Yes they do, but they also worship saints just like every other catholic on earth. You might not agree with their particular choice in a subordinate deity but they are believers in your church who have not been excommunicated afaik
>>17987675Christianity itself is deeply rooted in paganism and idolatry, so no wonder it couldn't save them from demons
>>17987692Christianity has no qualms about adapting Pagan traditions and incorporating them into the faithWe're not muslims.Every culture is allowed to worship in its own way.All that matters is they recognize that Jesus is the messiah, he died for our sins, and he was ressurrected and shall return to judge
>>17987701>Every culture is allowed to worship in its own wayNot really true, they have limits to the tolerance >All that mattersTherefore it doesn't matter if they also worship santa muerte like the 12 million Catholics according to wikipedia and your whole point falls flat on its face.
>>17987724No. You cannot serve 2 masters
>>17987727only one of them is the master, the other is a servant too
>>17982943>How is shit expected to be taken seriously and respected anymore?Don't worry. After a few generations, A.I. generated movies will completely replace all history, and everyone will believe in Jesus again, because there will be movies of his return, and you won't be able to deny their authenticity.
>>17987701God disagrees
>>17987736No
>>17987742What do you mean no? That's how Mary worship works as well. All are below God but you can still pray to them
>>17987745Do you even understand veneration
>>17987748Yes and it's no different than worship.
>>17987754Dumbass
There are still people clinging to Mormonism despite 30 years of the internet making deb00nking the religion trivial in the West. Islam is more shrouded in the past and will be fine. I too saw the YouTube video about how internet was gonna kill Mohammedeanism.
>>17987757Give me one difference between the act of prayer to Mary to heal your child's cancer and the same prayer to Jesus other than who you are invoking.
>>17987762No one prays to Mary. We ask her to pray for us
>>1798294315 years ago people said the same of christianity but look where we are now. Every other thread on /his/ is catholics and protestants (and the occasional eastern orthodox) telling eachother, or atheists, about how they're going to hell unless they repent and follow the true doctrine.
>>17987764You literally "worship" her bro who are you fooling? I am still looking for one difference between latria and hyperdulia
>>17987771That's from St. Alphonse from the 18th centuryWorship back then meant to be revered.It is a word used even to King David and SolomonToday, we use venerate
>>17987778>It is a word used even to King David and SolomonI know and Jesus in the bible exclusively is "venerated" that way too but that's beside the point.>Today, we use venerateThe word doesn't even really matter when there is no distinction in reality between how you worship Mary/Santa Muerte and how you worship Jesus. Since I assume you have done both can you type out exactly what you ask each?
>>17987688No you fool, it's the Catholic Church, it is an organization that decides who is and isn't a member. The Church has clearly started Santa Muerte is not a saint, it is a pagan idol, and its worshipers are barred from the Catholic Church until they stop their idolatry and repent. 60iq Santamuertistas still saying "well I'm Catholic tho" doesn't make it true
>>17987786Is love for your gf the same as love for childrenIt's just vocabulary. >no distinction in realityDon't play dumb
>>17987796Well in that example the word is identical and the meaning different. Catholics however insist the words are different but fail to provide a distinction in meaning beside the subject of veneration/worship
>>17987795>the Church stops short of labeling such followers as heretics, instead accusing them of heterodoxy.[91] The saint itself might not be approved but they never take those people outside of Catholicism or Christianity really>60iq Santamuertistas still saying "well I'm Catholic tho" doesn't make it trueThe Catholic Church also seems to agree with them even if they don't like the practices or the fact that it competes with their own flavor of Catholicism>Other reasons the Mexican Catholic Church has officially condemned the worship of Santa Muerte is that most of her rites are modeled after Catholic liturgy,[22] and some Santa Muerte devotees eventually split from the Catholic Church and began vying for control of church buildings.[15]
>>17987804Venerated things are not divine.You can only worship the divine.Mary represents the church. Thats why Catholics venerate her so much. But they will admit that its not necessary for her to intercede.A church is not divine because it is a human creation or organization, though it may serve as a conduit for divine worship or presence in specific contexts. But you can still ask the church for help.
>>17987901>You can only worship the divine.So the only difference is the subject as I have said, no other distinction. And with this definition you have made the idolatry described in the bible simply impossible. In essence vid rel is not idolatry, they are just venerating the monkey because nothing beside God is actually divine in reality
>>17987911The church can actually help you. Its not an idle gesture, like spinning around a cube in the desert. The church is made up of real people that can do favors for you. But you dont need a church to donate to the poor. You can pick up your bed and go do that yourself, and In doing so, you glorify the Lord.
>>17987924>bedPick up your mat and walk.
>>17987924What the fuck are you talking about? Your people believe santa muerte can also do favors for you
>>17987804I love GodI love my gfI love kidsIdentical wordsFundamentally different meanings
>>17984527Your response to your neighbors woes would most likely be "not my problem" regardless of government intervention.>>17986367I get the sense that you would oppose bombing other countries until they legalized gay marriage so I'm not sure what you are complaining about here.Anyway I was not suggesting external force(though I wouldn't rule is out), the "how" is the same way every other country has done it, which is essentially just deciding to.
>>17982943Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
>>17988327Fastest birth rateAnd also the fastest deconversionEvery country that has internet suffers a MASSIVE deconversionSo much so, that Muslim men are expected to leave the faith at 25. PermanentlyAnd let us not include the fact that half of those deconversions do so after receiving visions of Christ or a man dressed in whiteIslam will not survive this century
>>17988333Lol, lmao even. Everyone is leaving christcuckery, no one is joining. If you look into the ''x converted to christianity'' stories, every single one is a lie. Which is not surprising because without lies, christinsanity dies.
>>17988348Christianity always dies in times of prosperityIt skyrockets in times of famineSo what?Islam was dead until oil was discoveredIt will die again once oil runs out
>>17987506>but because muslims are not interested in debating the merits of their religion against secular humanism or atheism. They don't understand atheism at all, it does not compute in their heads to NOT believe in a supreme creator of all things that directly judges every single minutia of your day to day life
>>17988359Nice cope lmao. The times of prosperity are almost over yet christianity stays dead outside of verifiably fake stories
>>17988376Wanna bet 100 bucks :)If USA drops below 50, I would post myself burning itBut if it rises back to 90%, I will call you every week until you post your burning
>>17988376Oh, I will bet another $100 if Islam dies within this century. Not total die, just a complete wipe out from the world relevance
>>17988395>If USA drops below 50,Thats been the case for many years now. Knowing christoid copers, im guessing the next cope is gonna be how christians dont need to go to church or whatever.
>>17988418In hindsight, I realized I shouldn't test God.But I will still bet a hundred bucks for a Christian revival within this centuryAnd another hundred bucks for the death of Islam within this centuryDeal?I won't burn it. I will just post myself giving it away
>>17988435Whatever makes you cope ig, i just find it really hard to believe anyone would wanna go back to worshipping jews now that the great nooticing has begun
>>17988457So you don't wan't the deal?I am prepared to bet a hundred on a Christian revival within this century.And another hundred for the death of Islam
>>17988348The only one that is doing well out of the two is Islam, but as usual christards can do nothing but cope and lie. All they really have to do is look at their family members who no longer practice or even themselves who don't even believe the basics about the religion
>>17988466Fine by me, its just that its something based on your personal feelings and wishful thinking, not facts and data
>>17988477This is "projected"
>>17988480Deal, then200 on the table for this centuryAlso, this is neither feeling, nor facts, nor dataBut prophecy
>>17988482Yes projected because the data only points that way. Christianity is dead>>17988466>christard makes bet that he knows he won't even live to pay offjust retarded posturing lmao
>>17988477The problem with christianity and why it will remain dead for the foreseeable future is because it refuses to address any of the problems that are killing it, like the disgusting, blatant jew worshiping and bending over for liberalism. The ''solution'' so far has been the watering down of the religion to the point its basically just atheism for larpers.
>>17988490So farAlso, now you're posting "switching"Switching to what?>he knows he won't even live to pay offI said Century because that's what Mary said for a "full revival"But pretty sure 2050 is enough
>>17988486>confirms it isn't based on facts and dataBe a good christian and believe Islam is sent from the Lord to correct your ways!>>17988495Indeed, just look at what the current pope is doing to please both their semitic masters but also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xblGJvwM9Gw>The ''solution'' so far has been the watering down of the religion to the point its basically just atheism for larpersThis is why none of the apologists for christianity on this board have any bite. They are all bark and we all know they are just cultural christians
>>17988518Yeah?It isn't facts or data but prophecy from 400 years prior>believe Islam is sent from the LordDrop the actYou are ashamed of it
>>17988511Switching away from Christianity of course, what else? see >>17983716>in 25 years the entire world is going to just undo reality when people are getting more liberal and irreligious in generalhaha still you don't actually expect to live until then or even remember this bet. The only thing you have left is to appear tough on the internet and seethe at a religion that is actually gaining converts and didn't forget how to breed as badly as you>>17988522In other words you are deluding yourself
>>17988537Read the prophecyIt happened, is happening, and will happenThe date was given
Nothing is going to convince a 80 IQ desert goat herder that the god he spent 40 years of his life trying to appease actually doesn't exist. He would rather die than entertain the idea.His kids growing up in a western country however..
>>17988541A date was given too before... Christians are notoriously bad at prophecy
>>17988548You are moving the goal post100 bucks for Mary's prophecy100 bucks for Islam's deathTable is setDo not forgetP.S read the versesHe is referring to the temple
Look at all the seething muslims itt. When invited to answer a question their response is ''but christianity!!?!'' Examine this behaviour and you'll understand why their societies are trash.
>>17988552There is no goal post being moved. You brought up prophecy when even your supposed deity couldn't get it right. Also more cope nice! Take a look at the context it's talking about the hour when the Messiah will come back.>>17988555>seething Christians make thread and constantly try to attack a religion that is doing better than them>doesn't like how he was proven wrong and had his hypocrisy exposed
>>17988609I need your confirmation, you twat!You in or not200 bucks on the table.Deal or not.Man the fuck up
>>17988612>cannot respond to anything so he resorts to more useless posturingbetting is haram btw https://www.islamweb.net/en/article/176683/islam-on-gambling
>>17988618Jesus Christ!You are screaming so much that Christianity is dea,d but when money was laid on the table, you are running aroundSHUT THE FUCK UPIN or NOTGive me your word, FUCKASS!
>>17988620I care for my afterlife more than your money that you will never pay off anyway.>Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. By craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. Read your own book for once in your life will you?
>>17988625What a fucking pussyIt is not even "money"It's money that will be given away. Not to me, not to you.OthersLet me hear your excuse
>>17988609>>seething Christians make thread and constantly try to attack a religion that is doing better than themUuuuhm middle east status? lol
>>17988629>It's money that will be given away.Do it now! Follow the prophet's advice from the link I just posted. "“Whosoever says to his companion: 'Come let us play a game of chance', should give charity (as atonement).” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]" that doesn't mean I am allowed to participate in gambling however so no thanks keep your satanic bet to yourself. If you want to challenge me then let's do a mubahala
>>17987198The stuff on the right is a result of continental post-modernism. It's not a direct result of irreligiosity.
>>17987936>Your peopleStraw man
>>17988797They have not been removed from Catholicism by your church afaik, which you hold authoritative. So there is no straw man there whatsoever
>>17983374And romans sacrificed children.
>>17982943It already has. Islamic apologetics is just terrible. The Bible is bullshit, but it's fun to talk about and it touches on countless interesting topics, but the Quran and Mohammed are proudly and willfully ignorant. He brags about being illiterate and half of the things he says are just warmed-over, poorly understood, messianic Christianity. The other 1/2 is just mindless repetition of the same old Semitic, slave morality and brainless bloodlust. Ultimately, there's nothing interesting to discuss in Islam, or anyone interesting to discuss it with. Iran is over it too. They Persian again, now and every Saudi prince has been born, raised, educated and indoctrinated in the West. 1/2 of them have Bri'ish accents ffs.
>>17987398If god is real, why have the """Jews""" been BTFO by the gorillions hundreds of times over? See, everyone can ask stupid questions that not even the questioner can answer. Your rhetoric game is WEAK.
>>17987427Imagine having the City of God and His own temple getting absolutely, historically REKT by one of the most flagrant Turbo Fags in all of History. LOL!yhwh got turned out by a spaghetti slinger. LOL! The BBQ join on the Temple Mounts was the cheery on top. LOL! STILL SEETHING!!!! muh Temple, muh 6 gorillion, LOL! Too many COPES to count! B-b-b-b-but we're ackthcually """winning""" r-r-r-right Bibi? :/
>>17987741....or what? Not even yhwh could defeat the iron chariots of the Hittites.
>>17987754Literally just a personified vagina. Complete with a vesica pisces, urethra(sacred heart) and clitoris(head), add in a few phallic church spires/obelisks and you're a full-on Fertility Cult. Almost like they panned it that way.
>>17982943More like Muslims themselves will be the death of Islam. Scumbags are annoying and whiny
>>17988700PussyJust admit that you don't believe your own words
>>17989218>satan still trying to tempt me with his sinful waysNot going to work. However you can keep running from the challenge like the Christians of Najran did when they disputed with the prophet
>>17989234Hear hearGet rid of the money and just bet on a revival
>>17989253How can you "bet" without money?
>>17989269Burn a Quran if Mary's prophecy was fulfilledBurn another if Islam dies within this centuryI'll do the same for the Bible
>>17989234wolla habibigaza status?libya status?syria status?all irrelevant shitholes
>>17989276>just vow to commit blasphemy bro>"In Islamic law, believers must not damage the Quran and must perform a ritual washing before touching it.[1] Conversely, intentionally damaging copies is considered blasphemous in Islam. It is a point of controversy whether non-Muslims should be made to follow Islamic law,[2] and a sensitive topic in international relations how it should be handled when Muslims demand adherence to Islamic Quranic practices by nonbelievers.[3][4][5]"It's like me asking you to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. You are aware I can respectfully dispose of a damaged holy book anyway right? So even there I have a loophole and thus your challenge is not even good. Let's just do it the prophetic way
>>17989314YES!That's the pointIf you are so confident in your words, then stand by them even if it leads you to the crucifixion.2 Qurans on the tableDeal?
>>17989320I would rather bet with money
>>17989302why can't christians stop being golems for even one second? all those countries were ruined by you for your masters. did you also cheer when this happened?>>17989320That's not the point demon. You burning your book is not blasphemy to you because you don't believe it's the word of God.
>>17989333You are the best golem of them all because your religion made the middle east what it is: a shithole.
>>179893334You are a coward.Don't spreak a word that you do not believe in>>17989333Otherway aroundIt is precisely the fact that I have faith in him that I am willing to stand by him
>>17988966>Islamic apologetics is just terribleBy far the worst out of every religion. They sound like Reddit Atheists when talking to Christians and like Facebook Christians when talking to Atheists.Worst in class on the rare occasion they stop trying to argue against someone else's idea and actually have to argue for their own. I don't even see the semi-experienced ones try to use the "the Koran predicted modern science" or "NASA found the moon split" nonsense Muslims were really trying to make happen in like 2007 anymore. Probably because it takes about two minutes with the Internet to refute all of this, going along with OP's point. Now they seem to have all just sunken into the presup mire.I see Christians grappling with doubts about Atheism being true and Atheists pondering if Christianity might be true, but no one ever has moments of doubt where they have angst wondering if Islam might be right. The sole and exclusive appeal it seems to have to anyone are some in the hotep-esque crowd who want a non-White, non-Asian religion. But even then Black Hebrew Israelites seem to be a stronger and stronger force for scratching that itch since under their view what they offer is an authentically Black religion, instead of an obviously Arab one. I would love to hear those two sides debate.It'll take some time, but I agree wholeheartedly with OP. Islam simply isn't going to be able to outcompete its competitors in the new cybermarket of ideas. Everything it tries to do, something else does much better.
>>17989339You aren't willing to stand by anything. If you did you'd take on my challenge. What you are asking me is to just blatantly sin and then when I refused you wanted me to become an apostate. What the fuck kind of logic is that? No wonder you are a christian.>>17989336>totally had nothing to do with christian death squads committing genocide left and right
>>17989344I am betting 200 dollars and 2 Bibles on Mary's prophecy being fulfilled and Islam dying in this centuryWhatever you want to offer is up to you.Everything you say is meaningless if you have no faith in them
>>17989344>If you did you'd take on my challenge.Why haven't you taken on my challenge to find security camera footage of a Jinn taking utensils, water, or children like Muhammad says they do? Especially in the non-Muslim world where supposedly we have no protection from them since we don't invoke Allah to protect us?
>>17989352I don't want you to bet anything and I most certainly do not want you to burn any bible.>Whatever you want to offer is up to you.I already told you what I want. It's commanded in the Quran so you can do that
>>17989367Sure sure
>>17989370is that an agreement or what?
>>17989371You suck
>>17989373why don't you want God to decide who is truthful? I don't get it
>>17989377*sigh*Just shut up
>>17989384I am not speaking though and why are you emoting?
>>17988985Chadrian was not a fagHe just had a twink bff who sadly drowned in a boating accident
>>17989678Plus, as the Muslims have been telling us lately about Muhammad in response to >>17983692, there is nothing gay about having men ride you at night
>>17989725why don't christian apologists that spread this nonsense like David Wood and Ridvan actually believe this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQB6KcegfBM
>>17989789I don't think many people take David Wood's contention that Muhammad was gay all that seriously, it's mostly just making fun of Mo "Nine is Just Fine" Hammed. Since "ride" is English slang for a sexual act, the hadith is very amusing in translation.
>>17989816Except they do, have you not seen the comment section of their videos? They literally believe that shit. It's literally no different than implying the HS forcefully nutted on 12yo Mary because of English slang like that guy said
>>17989824That's unfortunate. I hate misinformation so I categorically condemn any statements to the effect that tall, dark, naked men riding Muhammad all night long until he was sore, which he insisted his buddy come and watch, should be read as sexual
>>17989836No you don't, you even lied in your silly attempt to do the exact same thing as David.
>>17989824>>17989836In fact, I want to fulfill the sunnah of the prophet (Naked Men Be Upon Him) so I wish to invite you. May I trace a line for you and tell you: Stay between the two edges of this – don't go outside of it and you watch tall, naked men ride me all night? We shall surely be among those who ansar halal ihsan if we follow this sunnah ya ali
>>17989841I am not lying. No one should believe that Muhammad ordering his buddy to come watch naked men ride him all night is meant to be something sexual. I categorically deny that these tall, dark men are meant to be read as having sexual intentions either when they rode Muhammad or when they started to get close to his buddy that he had come watch the whole thing
don't underestimate idiocy.if they can justify their prophet's pedophilia, they can justify pretty much anything else.
>>17989859>le epic trolle!!Yes you lied when you called them men amongst other things
>>17989879https://sunnah2.com/262"Then he [Abdullah] mentioned a group of male members [haneen, i.e. men] who looked like Zutt people.""And the men came with tall white garments on, but the Messenger of Allah (SAW) had fallen asleep."
>>17989886>naked yet invisible genitals>menwow so progressive sister! he was literally visited by angels who were also described as men later
>>17989926Hey the hadith says it, not me, I'm just saying what it says:"Then he [Abdullah] mentioned a group of male members [haneen, i.e. men] who looked like Zutt people.""And the men came with tall white garments on, but the Messenger of Allah (SAW) had fallen asleep."
>>17989963>posts the exact same thing without addressing anything>believes men don't have genitalsRunning low on material? You don't believe it and your own apologists don't, yet it's all you can spew. Funny how Islam is basically the only major religion that gets any growth despite your combined efforts
>>17989985There is nothing to address. The hadith calls them men, I merely provide you the words of the sunnah ya ali
>>17989985>>17990009In fact, by calling the words of the sunnah (swtpbuhrabbq) lies, you have made yourself a kafir. Ya ali you say "And the men came with tall white garments on" is a lie and are among the unfaithful wallahi.
>>17990009You already agreed it's bullshit. There is no taking it back now. Those are not even the words the prophet. In case you didn't know the events supposedly happened in 7th century Arabia.
>>17990023I'm not taking anything back. I have consistently said that Muhammad bringing his friend to party with naked men who rode Muhammad until he couldn't take another ride and he slept in his male friend's lap should in no way be taken as suggestive of anything homosexual.BTW the fact that they got dressed in the morning implies that there was no need for them to be naked earlier. They chose to be totally nude when they rode Muhammad. I wonder what wisdom this reveals.Lol but on a more serious note, I think you're picking up on why this is a strong "argument", of sorts. The quickest way to strip something of its power is to get people laughing at it. Double-entendres, naked men, and sexual innuendo are some of the quickest routes to humor for modern tastes. If you're in some online space and a Muslim comes in trying to seriously advocate for Muhammad, it's dirt simple to get the entire chat roaring with laughter by talking about this hadith. That strips the other side of its power. Not an argument, but extremely powerful rhetorically nonetheless. That's why it's gaining a lot of popularity.
>>17990084>Not an argument>That's why it's gaining a lot of popularityYes because when someone has no real arguments all they can do is play dumb and attempt to divert the conversation to all sorts of tangents. It's the only way to hide defeat beside lashing out in rage and then running away. Anyone who even tries to use it just reveals himself to be porn addicted and dishonest. As we have seen ITT that leads to nothing else but the decline of all the other religions so how is that a strong tactic? Especially when it is used as an actual argument by the vast majority of Christians/Hindus/Atheists who consume that content.. When they face someone who did just a little bit of reading their points just fall flat and they are humiliated.
>>17990131>why should be accept the new testament thoughThe gospels are literary a holy book in Islam, these moslems dont even know their own religion.>hurr Muhammad had some super special gospel, the ones used today dont count bullshit
>>17990153Yes it's talking about the gospel according to Jesus. Not the gospel according to anonymous people your church later decided to name
>>17990131Tamerlane mass raped Arab Sunnis in Iraq and Syria.Ottomans mass raped Yemeni Sunnis and Zaydis in North Yemen.Tamerlane, his soldiers and Ottoman soldiers are all going to heaven after raping your ancestors according to Islam.You love saying disbelief is worse than rape, but you're always thinking of it in terms of Muslims raping non-Muslims. you don't care about that.When the Mongol Sunni Muslim Tanerlane raped your Arab and Desi mothers, that's not what you were thinking of.
>>17990131>>17990469When a Salafi from Birmingham says disbelief is worse than rape, he thinks in terms of his thug druggie brother raping a disbeliever.He doesn't visualise in when it's a Pashtun raping a Bengali Muslim during Pashrun conquests in Bengal or Punjabi Muslim (like the Pashtun Ahmad Shah Durrani did in Punjab)He doesn't visualise it like when Ottomans raped Yemeni Muslim girls and Saudi Arab Muslim girlsIf a Muslim from a rival ethnic group raped your mother, he is going to heaven in Islam eventually He can even skip hellfire if a martyred relative intercedes for him or if he does penance some other way to cancel his sins.
>>17990476Also Desi Salafis like Anjem Choudhary think Sunnism is about racial equality.Three Sunni madhhabs claims Arabs are superior and non-Arab men should marry Arab women and that merchants are superiro to craftsmen and craftsmen ahpuld not marry merchants daughters (see kafa'ah). Only Maliki does not.But Tamerlane and Ottomans ignored this and mass raped Arab Muslim women.Ibn Taymiyyah and Ahmad ibn Hanbal both claimed Arabs are superior.Non-Arab salafis think that their ideology is based because they think all the discrimination supremacy is directed at "disbelievers" and that they are equal with Arabs in Sunnism.They are massively mistaken. Sunni fiqh scholars were obsessed with Atab supremacy and race.
>>17990515Basically many Islamists are fine with forgiving rape and fine with apartheid discrimination because they mistakenly think it only applies to "disbelievers".Non-Arabs like Choudhary think only dhimmis get discriminated against.While their mothers get gang raped by other Muslim ethnic groups, and while Sunni madhhabs promote Arab supremacyPashtuns raped Punjabi Muslims many times.
>>17989678Even his breastplate is covered with gay, naked guys. Turbo Chad, but also a turbo fag. No way around it.
>>17990516Desi Islamists are only anti racism when it comes to themselves lmaoDesi Islamists just like their Hindutva brethren are quick to call Blacks niggers and monkeys when arguing with them.They get upset when they are called dalkhor and pajeets and reminded how Pashtuns mass raped Desis and gave them lighter skin.
>>17990131>when someone has no real arguments all they can do is play dumbLike when all you could do is say "Allah wants it this way there is no problem" about Muhammad obviously being wrong about Jinn?>It's the only way to hide defeat beside lashing out in rage and then running away.Like you have from me in this thread about the Jinn? C'mon, you're saying so much about all of this to other people, but suddenly for the Jinn, you "need to go"?It's Islam's biggest, most easily verifiable error. Muhammad was superstitious Medieval man who believed in their mythological Jinn and the urban legends about them. He baked this into Islam, which talks about them incessantly in the Koran and hadith both.
>>17983098>its common for ppl to literally throw their newborn daughters in random dumpsters because they want sons.This is how you create a gender imbalance that will fuck over your country's birthrates because the men outnumber women and they become picky
>>17983469>living standards and general tolerance increases.You aren't watching the news much eh? Wake up retard-kun, we are long past the End of History.
>>17983716Funnily enough you can see there what countries are going extinct or are going to have a group sueviving. As usual rationalism is the best way yo exterminate people.
>>17987509Youre acting like the cia cracked Islam and broke the mind of le mudslide.>promise influential royal family power to betray the ottomans>install friendly regimes across the region>give free money to people who will do your biddingWow statecraft mastermind yakubians buying influence
>>17990131>When they face someone who did just a little bit of reading their points just fall flat and they are humiliated.So far all you've been able to counter me with was claiming I'm lying when I refer to them as men, but that was handily dealt with since this hadith itself refers to them that way.
Imagine being a brown 80IQ third world retard that unironically believes stuff like music should be banned and the punishment for drinking alcohol should be public whippings, drawing pictures of animals sends you to hell and arranged marriages between cousins are okay. Just lol. Brown people are so fucking retarded it's unreal.
>>17990834Religiosity is down in every developed country at the same time that crime, poverty, and life expectancy has increased.
>>17990553how do you know the guys on his breastplate identified as gay? Maybe they were just friends
>>17982943Islam won't die, it will merely reform itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranism
>>17990850Yes it deals with it directly because in that very hadith you quoted it describes them in a supernatural manner (no external part of a naked human being is invisible) and also calls angels "men". In addition they are identified as Jinn specifically in other reports so you really have no reason to insert your perversion but you already admitted that.
>>17991601>Hadith calls them men>You're LYING if you call them men!!!!!!!!!I dare say, looks like we have some taqiyya on display. The hadith calls them men, so do I. If I lie then so does the sunnah.
>>17989926wtf is with the (or something like that) everywhere?
>>17991737>angels and jinns are human beings broEarlier in your translation it also called them male. You even quoted that part yourself. It's obvious what they meant
>>17991802Is the hadith lying when it calls them men?
>>17991842The hadith's authenticity is disputed but that's beside the point. I have an issue with the translation yes. I cannot find one other source that says "[haneen, i.e. men]". In fact this other source doesn't even attempt to call them men and just leaves it as is. The same word is used in both your source and this one
>>17991908here is another with a different wording
>>17991908Was the translator lying?
>>17991918I didn't talk to the translators and those who defined these words in all the dictionaries I looked. I spoke to you however and I can safely say it's dishonesty
>>17991920Was the translator lying?
>>17991921I cannot determine that, thought I made it clear.
>>17991924Then you cannot determine that I was lying, and so the dishonesty? It would be on your part, when you called me a liar but now admit you have no way of determining such a thing.
>>17991926Because your intention is clear since I actually spoke to you. These beings cannot be "men" because of the supernatural aspect mentioned, the usage of the word while referring to angels and the very fact that they are identified as Jinn explicitly in many places authentic and otherwise. The translators might just be wrong but you are just a liar
>>17991926And btw even if you weren't lying and I was completely wrong about your character the word for men can be used on Jinn. It implies no humanity
>>17990856Imagine being a 160 IQ white man living in the west that believes niggers are fine and can fuck your daughter because women can choose and are as smart as men
Why does the average /his/torian get their retarded takes and why do they act like their retarded takes hold any weight irl?
>>17991601See? It always keeps coming back to Jinn. Muhammad, like most Medieval Arabians, believed that Jinn were a real and deeply interwoven type of thing with the world. They cause mischief at night, they interact with your animals, even the shooting stars you see in the sky are because of them. And here you say we have them again in an Islamic tale, so real that they can make Muhammad sore in some way with close physical proximity and terrify the man he brought with him. Back then this belief in Jinn could be excused: some guy tells a ghost story about something weird he saw or heard and you have no real way to ask for proof or check it. But today we have universal cameras. These have disproven that such things as he portrays are part of our world.In your heart I think you know this is right. Every time the Koran talks about Jinn, which it does incessantly, it proves to you that it's the product of Medieval Arabian spirituality, not something that actually describes the world as it is.
>>17992504Jinn are like humans but they are in the unseen world , we actually live side by side , Jinn are different from angels (malak) or demons (shaytan )
>>17992587He knows that but he's just going to insist otherwise thinking he is making a point that nobody ever noticed in the islamic tradition. So there is no reason to engage
>>17992587Come now man we've been through this. Muhammad says you can see them and how to tell a good one from a bad one and to kill the bad ones, says they snatch utensils, water, and children from houses, even says that shooting stars are missiles sent against them - a complete misunderstanding of what they even are, as we can easily see today, but it makes sense how a Medieval Arabian could think this. They leave footprints and they interact with animals.All of this from sahih hadith we've looked at. So when has a security camera caught a Jinn taking utensils, water, or children? This should be especially prevalent in the non-Muslim world since nobody follows any of Muhammad's rituals for averting Jinn.And answer me this. Even if you want to hold out belief in Islam despite this glaring problem, do you see why it would, from my perspective, make it look like nothing more than Bedouin folklore?
>>17992632>they snatch utensils, water, and children from housesSo they are fey? lol
>>17992719>Myths and stories about fairies do not have a single origin but are rather a collection of folk beliefs from disparate sources. Various folk theories about the origins of fairies include casting them as either demoted angels or demons in a Christian tradition, as deities in Pagan belief systems, as spirits of the dead, as prehistoric precursors to humans, or as spirits of naturethat's not too different from what they say about jinn. weird
>>17992719>>17992777Precisely! Jinn are the Arabian analogue of these folkloric sprites that every culture has in one way or another.A lot of religions have problems with this since they imported their culture's stories about these kinds of things. Even Buddhism with "hungry ghosts". Islam has it a lot worse than any other religion since Muhammad was an ardent believer in Jinn and keenly interested in them. According to him Jinn are a regular part of everyday life: they bother your animals, they haunt your latrine, they steal from you at night and you must perform rituals to resolve all of these on an almost daily basis. The only two classic religions I'm aware of that can really avoid this problem are Judaism and Preterist Christianity. Judaism can avoid it since there's no definitive appearance of demons in the Tanakh, and Jews often seem to disbelieve in them entirely, and Preterist Christians appear to generally believe that demons and Satan were bound in ancient times shortly after Jesus and so it would make sense why there's no modern evidence of their activity.
>>17992807>Judaism can avoid it since there's no definitive appearance of demons in the TanakhYes there is, they are just interpreted to be gods of other nations and other such things. That doesn't make them any less real in their theology. There is no reason at all to believe they simply stopped acting. And Jews also believe in other sources which most definitely are talking about them. Funily enough they are given a description that resembles Jinn too>and so it would make sense why there's no modern evidence of their activityThat doesn't make any sense. Whatever supernatural things they did in the past should still be visible to this day. The same way many Christians believe the shroud is evidence of a miracuous event that happened long ago
