I am ONCE AGAIN asking /his/ to explain to me, a non american why the confederates were "bad" or any worse than the founding fathers of america> in 1776 slave owning, traitorous aristocrats secede from their home nation and decide to create their own nation>this is seen as good, is celebrated, and is seen as a truimph for freedom and democracy>in 1861 slave owning, traitorous aristocrats secede from their home nation and decide to create their own nation>this is seen as the worst thing everWhy is it like this? I still haven't received a coherent explanation as to why slave owning aristocrats fighting against their mother country is good in one scenario but bad in another>inb4 the american revolutionaries fought for freedomthe american whigs fought against their government because they weren't allowed to genocide red indians and because catholics in quebec were given equal rights. They were whigs of the 18th century not the hippy dippy liberals that post 1960 america has tried to portray them as. the confederates were just continuing on with that radical whig tradition of self governance>y-you're a southerneri'm britishI agree with both the revolutions of 1776 and 1861
>b-but the founding fathers didn't fight for slaveryYES THEY DID YOU SPASTICLord Dunmore's proclamation that enslaved blacks who fought for britain would be freed is what led a huge number of southerners to fight for the revolutionary causeErgo the american revolutionaries of 1776 fought for slaveryAnd the americans also fought to expand past the appalachians, ensuring the racial genocide of the red man.Why is slavery worse than manifest destiny genocide? I agree with both, by the way
>>17983424they're both bad op
the founding fathers thought slavery was immoral, read the original draft of the declaration of independencethey kept the institution of slavery in a "limbo," while confederates explicitly safeguarded a "right to slavery" in their constitution
>>17983426>And the americans also fought to expand past the appalachians, ensuring the racial genocide of the red man.If we're just talking about expanding, then the Republican party did not only free the slaves, it also expanded slavery to all current and future states and territories.
>>17983424NW european are very negrophilic for whatever reason, here's your answer
>>17983424> i'm british> I agree with both the revolutions of 1776Traitor
>>17983424they're actually mostly mad about the secession lol, it's such a shitty argument too. why wouldn't a state have a right to secede?>yeah we'll have a country but it'll be a union of states but every stare will have their rights so as to avoid tyranny>okay we're exercising those rights and leaving the union>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT I'M SENDING MY ARMIES TO BURN YOU ALIVE AND TYRANNIZE YOUR POPULACE
>>179834241776 created the Great Satan, 1861 would have created a second Brazil.Both were objectively bad.
>>17983424Nobody good would support slaveryThe Confederacy had to fallThis post was made by a white guy
>>17983424past is prologue
The parallels between 1776 and 1861 are so profound that public education on the topic has worked very hard to obscure them. Both were mostly about a distant government raising extortionate taxes on a self-governing state, but the browns here really hate when you point that out. Like all leftists, they want to make the conversation about slavery and nothing else, even though the war was kicked off by the GOP doubling the tariff rate and electing Lincoln who immediately promised to use military force to collect it.
>>17983893>street gangs>are organized and disciplinedWherever that guy lived the CIA must've dumped a lot of coke in the water.
>>17983424No white person is consistent with applying ethical principles therefore no white nation or state is moral or good. You can apply the exact same criticism to the british empire and so on and so forth.
>>17983424>On July 4, 1776, immediately after the Declaration of Independence was officially passed, the Continental Congress asked John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin to design a seal that would clearly represent a symbol for the new United States. They chose the symbol of Moses leading the Israelites to freedom. The Founding Fathers of the United States inscribed the words of Moses on the Liberty Bell: "Proclaim Liberty thro' all the Land to all the Inhabitants thereof." (Leviticus 25)
>>17983893>Mexican reconquistaThe largest minority group in the southwest is Chinese. These retarded stormboomers are stuck in the past.
>>17983532Despite the fact that most of the british public, including politicans like John Wilkes, Pitt the Elder and Charles fox supported the civil war of 1776?>>17984498Liberty historically only applied to free menIt never applied to slaves
>>17983424>I agree with both the revolutions of 1776 and 1861That's crazy because I disagree with both. Ancestors fought for union both times though.
>>17983424I like the rebel flag as a symbol of defiance. The Appalachian whites are as old stock to this country as any of the founding fathers from Virginia are and we are under genocide which threatens to erase our culture. I couldn’t care less about the civil war but I like the rebel flag for what it stands for- defiance against the libshits in Washington.
>>17984621>I couldn’t care less about the civil war but I like the rebel flag for what it stands for- defiance against the libshits in Washington.Yeah when you put it like that it's hard to disagree.
Every single Confederate soldier should've been ground into mincemeat and fed to dogs, and every single Confederate general and politician should've been publicly tortured in the cities of the North. Maybe then America would actually be a first world country today.
