Orthodox:>The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.Catholics:>The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.Who is right and why?
>>17983922catholicsfilioque is true
>>17983922None of them are right because the trinity is logically inconsistent.>proceedsWhat does this even mean? Why can't you say excreted instead? Same thing with the Son being begotten, wtf is that? Did they reproduce?
>>17983922The Catholics are more likely correct, as they have a better grasp on the issue. The Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son because Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would come from Him.
>>17983922Neither is right. The Filioque is a politically-motivated heresy that undermines God the Father's monarchy, while the strict Monopatristic view risks isolating the Spirit from the Son. The true, ancient faith is that the Spirit proceeds from the Father *through* the Son.
millions died over this shit
>>17983972billions must schizm over minutia details
This guy is right you know>>17983979We must fight over dis for a 1000 years...
Filioque wasn't in the original Nicene creed so...
>>17983972>millions died over this shitNo. There was no crusade against the Eastern Church immediately after the Great Schism, the First Crusade literally happened a couple of decades after the Schism in order to help the Eastern Church.
>>17984055>Nicene creedPolytheism, it plainly states "true God from true God". That's two Gods
>>17984068It's the same God.
>>17983972Not really, just some strongly worded letters.
>>17984077Nope, the way we usually count things this would indicate two instances sharing the same nature. The same way when we say true man from true man this would be two human beings sharing a human nature.
>>17984090>the way we usually count things-We're not counting the usual way with the Trinity.
>>17984103>admits to special pleadinglmao, do you also count the same unusual way when you say there are three persons in the godhead?
>>17984108>>admits to special pleadingWhat's special pleading? There is no being that is like God. So obviously the nature of His existence would be unlike that of anything else.
>>17984277Special pleading is like affirming 1+1=2 in every case except that one where it becomes problematic for you, it's dishonesty.>the nature of His existence would be unlike that of anything elseNobody ever contested this and I highlighted your hypocrisy when you refused to answer why the regular counting method suddenly applies again when you are affirming three persons or one God. If you can't count anything divine then you just can't make those statements at all. You don't even know if you are a monotheist anymore
>>17984304>Special pleading is like affirming 1+1=2 in every case except that one where it becomes problematic for you, it's dishonesty.We're not saying that God is one among many other gods and his existence is special. THAT would be special pleading. There is only one God and one Trinity.No special pleading required.
>>17984311That would not be special pleading, that's just henotheism. Which the bible alludes to anyway.>There is only one God and one Trinity.You can't count anything divine using the way we regularly count things according to your logic so no you actually cannot make that statement.
>>17984329>That would not be special pleading, that's just henotheism.Which we're also not proposing....>You can't count anything divine using the way we regularly count things according to your logicCorrect? Are your retarded?
>>17984369>Which we're also not proposing....You don't even know what you are proposing because you cannot regularly count God or the members of the godhead by your own admission
>>17983922Jesus had no kids, orthos are correct.
>>17984382>You don't even know what you are proposing-Monotheism and Trinitarianism.Simple.1 essence3 persons
>>17984409>says you can't regularly count things when it comes to God>does it anywayNo according to you it isn't simple
It's complicated. John 15:26 says the Spirit proceeds from the Father, but Rom. 8:9 shows the Spirit is also sent by the Son.
>>17983922It's all schizoposting over semantics while God probably doesn't give a shit.
