The Fine-tuning of the Universe.
>>17992376>The Fine-tuning of the Universe.>Therefore talking snake
>>17992385>talking snakeThey used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar
>>17992376>hmm, today I will fine tune the universe with my omnipotence >but not the wisdom tooth, that shit will stay and pain for no reason whatsoever
you forgot the fine structure constant
This argument relies on assigning a special significance to arbitrary results (human consciousness), which, for some reason, are assumed to have more intrinsic value. It's like tossing a coin a million times and then being amazed by how unlikely the result you get was. Guess what, any other result is equally rare, and there's nothing special about the one you got.> B-but thinking brains have more value than stones, plasma and nothingnessNo, they are not. Stop being anthropocentric. In a wide enough context, there's nothing special about humans or life in general, it's just a bunch of chemical reactions.
>>17992522Fine tuning also relies on the presupposed idea that our universe was created as a oneshot project. For all we know, big bang happened and collapsed a million quadrillion times before the physical properties randomly arranged themselves in workable order. I also struggle to call the universe that is 99.999999999999999% empty cold vacuum finely tuned.
What does your "God" the existence of which you proved with a physics lecture look like?Does he go by any other names?What does he want me to do? What is his official religion?For that matter, is he masculine in nature, genderless, feminine?
>>17992376How does fine tuning argue for the capital G Abrahamic God?
Is there anything more midwit then trying impotently to argue for the objective validity of a transient impermanent subjective reality. That objective validity also itself being nothing more than the propaganda of other beings who seek control over you. Masters make the rulesSlaves argue about whose rules are right(none of them are)Slaves are never allowed access to knowledgeHahaha ^_^
>>17992376You should explain in more detail how what you obviously think of as a limitation (human life can exist only in a narrow band of possibilities) argues for an omnipotent jew.
God specifically have the superpower to cause human life in ANY universeI never understood why God would be predicted by any specific universe
God can't make logical contradictions, e.g. 1+1=3. Why can't the speed of light be a consequence of the same immutable laws of logic?
>>17992385OP isn't arguing for the Abrahamic God, he's arguing in favor of a Deist God.
>>17994088Please explain the logical contradiction entailed by the speed of light being 100,000 miles per hour
>>17994088If God can't defy logic then he's not God. That would mean that logic is constructed prior to God and he's its subject like the rest of us.
I never understood fine-tuning arguments for GodThe idea that our universe is more likely on the God theory, rather than an indifferent nature theory Means that there needs to be some kind of limitation on what we might expect to see on each of these theories. But as far I understand, God can do anything nature could + supernatural stuff too.So there's just wider range of what to expect with God. God can do anything.Which is NOT the point with fine-tuning, so you need to narrow down what kind of worlds you'd expect God to cause. You can do that by appealing to God having some kinds of desires, that would make him more likely to cause this world, despite being able to cause any world. But that just kicks the can, why does God have those desires, instead of other desires? Seems like God's desires/nature is mysteriously fine-tuned to cause our world! - Which is exactly the problem that is levered against naturalism, that this world seems unlikely. But then the theistic explanation kinda just forgets to ask the same questions...
God can do anything except solve human stupidity etc etc.
Anthropic principle.
Theres no mind that created this universe, dunce.
No, but seriously. God got the superpower to do anything.Why are we supposed to think God is likely to cause this universe? We only have no reason to think that. Theist can only postulate this, that God has a disposition towards causing the data we're trying to explain. Fine-tuning is silly and ad hoc.
I just don’t buy the idea the entire universe could have come from nothing. Most scientists agree that the universe had a begging so that rules out the steady state theory. I get it the Bible has a lot of strange stories and questionable teachings. That doesn’t mean that Jesus didn’t exist. I have come to the conclusion that God is real but not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally. For those curious about christianity I recommend watching inspiring philosophy and cross examined on youtube.
>>17995728I just don't buy the idea the entire God could have come from nothing.
>>17992376Frankly I disagee. I find cosmological arguments better.
>look at all this neato physics stuff>therefore you should believe a book of bronze age fables and circumcise your sonsHmmm nah.
>>17995728>I just don’t buy the idea the entire universe could have come from nothingYet you believe God arose from nothing. You just want God to exist and therefore arbitrarily suspend disbelief and logic for his existence.
>>17995735>>17995743God has always existed he doesn’t need a creator. It’s hard to wrap my head around that there exists a being that’s been around since before the dawn of time. But there’s just so much evidence that the universe was designed rather than the result of a random explosion.
>>17995750>>God has always existed he doesn’t need a creatorMatter always existed, it doesn't need a creator.
>>17995750>I don't understand thing>therefore magic skydaddy who spoke to the human race while we were bronze age primitives and then never again afterward
>>17995750>ut there’s just so much evidence that the universe was designed rather than the result of a random explosion.No not really. You just interpret it that way because it's comforting to you. Like your baseless assertion that God always existed. You have no reason to suppose this except that you want it to be true. Your entire belief is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You desperately want God to be real and are willing to suspend logic and skepticism to believe, so of course you find "evidence" of his existence in the world around you. It's easy when you are predisposed to finding evidence even if it's not based on anything logical.
