I've been researching the origins of the Thracians, especially in terms of material culture, and it's not only complex, but even contradictory. Apparently, they come from the Multi-Cordoned Ware Culture, So I decided to look into their language, and it seems we don't know much. I simply can't find articles on linguistics based on the Thracians. Does anyone know any information? Feel free to share. What was the morphology of this language like (changes in form to indicate number, gender, tense, etc.) Etc It was definitely Indo-European, but hardly enough of a Hellenic language for the Greeks to call it a barbarian language, although it was geographically close to the Greeks. Interestingly, the word "Thracian" is probably of Greek origin and not Thrace proper. It comes from the Ancient Greek Θρᾷξ (Thrāix; plural Θρᾷκες, Thrāikes), and the toponym Thrace comes from Θρᾴκη (Thrāikē; Ionic: Θρῄκη, Thrēikē). These forms are exonyms applied by the Greeks.
>>17993796>but hardly enough of a Hellenic but different enough*
>>17993796Bumb
>>17993796The region of Thrace was not always called Thrace by the Greeks; it was known as Perke (Περκη) and Aria (Αρια) before being called Thrace by the Greeks.mother-in-law the language, there is no lexicon, the Romans destroyed the language
>>17993796"they" were vegans and there never was a Thracian language or Thracian ethnicity, There are only four discovered inscriptions kek
>>17993829>language or Thracian ethnicity?
>>17993828>Aria (Αρια)No... Europhobe sisters it cannot be...
>>17993796There are supposedly a couple hundred words of Dacian origin surviving in the Romanian language which might be close to whatever the Thracians spoke.
>>17993796Another strange thing about the thracians is that the Iron age samples are like 90% E-V13. Which means they received female mediated steppe (or indo european) admix. One of the very few groups to do so. We know that E-V13 was an haplogroup present in neolithic farmers from the balkans.Hitler probably had this haplogroup.
>>17994052That's really weird. I thought all of europe got butt fucked by the steppe people's and their decendants.
>>17994099You aren't wrong.For example EEF in Spain got mass raped badly. but Thracians are a notable exception. I don't really know why.
>>17994052Because the thracians were very indo-european and brought their women as well.
>>17994156They were about 1/4 to 1/3. In the range from modern south to central italians.And if they were more it'd be even stranger because it would make it even more female mediated.
>>17994052https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.05.543790v1>A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in 2019 examined the mtDNA of 25 Thracian remains in Bulgaria from the 3rd and 2nd millennia BC. They were found to harbor a mixture of ancestry from Western Steppe Herders (WSHs) and Early European Farmers (EEFs), supporting the idea that Southeast Europe was the link between Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean>A Bulgarian study from 2013 claims genetic similarity between Thracians (8-6 century BC), medieval Bulgarians (8–10 century AD), and modern Bulgarians, highlighting highest resemblance between them and Romanians, Northern Italians and Northern Greeks>Examinations of Iron Age and ancient Thracian remains in Bulgaria were found to mainly carry the Y-DNA haplogroup E-V13, nowadays this haplogroup is spread all among the Balkans, but is mainly found in Albania and Kosovo>The tested samples were further specifically listed as: E-BY3880 x 3, E-L618 x 2, E-M78 x 2, R-Z93, E-CTS1273, E-BY14160.[126] Six of the samples were predicted for having brown eyes while two for having blue eyes, while majority of the samples were predicted for an intermediate skin color and hair color prediction ranged from majority brown on detailed, to light and dark
>>17994192Hitler's E1b came from his Dinaric ancestrality. E-V13 is a common South-Eastern European/Balkanic Haplogroup predominantly found in the Albanian and Greek population, but also all around Europe. Only thiing is that it is not Indo-European like R, or Native-European like I, but Mediterranean with origins in North-East Africa, however the E-V13 mutation originating from Europe proper some 10 000 years ago being related to E1b1b.>The Dinaric race, also known as the Adriatic race, were pseudoscientific terms used by certain physical anthropologists in the early to mid-20th century to describe the perceived predominant phenotype of the contemporary ethnic groups of southeast Europe. According to the discredited theories of physical anthropologist Carleton Coon, the Dinaric race was most commonly found among the populations in the Balkans and Carpathians, such as Montenegrins, Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats, Ghegs, Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, Western Ukrainians, and Southern Poles. Additionally, in Northern Europe, the South Germans were also identified as having Dinaric characteristics>According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics were to be found mainly in the mountainous areas of southeastern Europe: Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Austria, part of northwestern Bulgaria, and northwestern Northern Macedonia. Northern and eastern Italy was considered mostly a Dinaric area as well as western Greece, Romania, Moldova, western Ukraine, southeastern German-speaking areas, and parts of southeastern France
>>17994194>The notion of a Dinaric race originated with racial anthropologist Joseph Deniker in the late 19th century, but became most closely associated with the writings of Carleton S. Coon and Nazi eugenicist Hans F. K. Günther. The term was derived from the Dinaric Alps (the western part of Southeastern Europe) which was supposed to be the principal habitat of the race>Several pseudoscientific theories were advanced regarding the genesis of the Dinaric race. Günther argued that the Dinaric race shared a common origin with the Hither Asiatic (Near Eastern) race in the Caucasus region. They left the Caucasus region and underwent selective pressure, with the Dinaric race eventually possessing mental traits similar to the Nordic race. Jan Czekanowski believed that the Dinaric race arose from admixture between the Nordic and Armenoid race>Coon also argued, however, in The Origin of Races (1962), that the Dinaric and some other categories "are not races but simply the visible expressions of the genetic variability of the intermarrying groups to which they belong.">He referred to the creation of this distinctive phenotype from the mixing of earlier separate groups as "dinaricisation". In his view Dinarics were a specific type that arose from ancient mixes of the Mediterranean race and Alpine race
>>17994052Not a Haploautism thread Its linguistics
Try reading The Thracian Language by Svetlana Yanakieva.
>>17993828>ariaRelated to aryan?
>>17994387I never studied this, tell me more
>>17994390no, due to the Thracians' affiliation with the god Ares
>>17994387/thread/
>>17993829There's many new Greek and Latin inscriptions containing Thracian personal and settlement names and epithets of deities
>>17993796Read Dimiter Detschew, the best author in this statement
Their language was the same as the Dacians
>>17994415No.according to linguists like Vladimir Georgiev, Dacian is different from Thracian, not just dialects
>>17994411>>17994387The available Thracian linguistic material is fragmentary. There are no complete texts in Thracian, i.e., we do NOT know what their language was like. Period.
curiosityThere are some authors who postulate that there is a possibility that certain Thracian names are present in Linear B tablets.
>>17993796Its 2/3 fanfic, at best
>>17995440
>>17995440Can you link me? I want to read the preceding page.
Thracians CWC-derived? Seems unlikely. They don't have any haplogroups in common and cluster with East Meds. >The tested samples were further specifically listed as: E-BY3880 x 3, E-L618 x 2, E-M78 x 2, R-Z93, E-CTS1273, E-BY14160
>>17995530See here>>17994386
>>17995513Not him, but https://www.academia.edu/47789050/Yanakieva_Svetlana_The_Thracian_Language
>>17995542Thanks
the grace of thrace
>>17994052We don’t know how many were E vs R but there seems to be about as much as we’d expect from a Northern Pre-Slavic Balkan people. Which is to say roughly 45% or a plurality. Maybe more.
>>17994195>haha brown men aren’t subhuman after allLOLBrowns got destroyed by E and J both of whom were HG rich non-basals.MENAjeets are basal phenotyped and 80% basal in deep ancestry.The first E and first J man had 0% basal and shared more DNA with Finns than with Lebanese or Moroccans.
>>17995655>The first E and first J man had 0% basalCope. D0 was found in Nigeria and Syria. Later, an even more basal form of D0 (so called D0*) was found in Saudi Arabia, where the Basal Eurasians lived.>A 2019 study by Haber et al. suggested that three of the Nigerians analysed by Weale et al. in 2003 belonged, not to DE*, but to D0, a proposed haplogroup thought to represent a deep-rooting DE lineage branching close to the DE bifurcation (near the split of D and E) but on the D branch as an outgroup to all other known D chromosomes. Another carrier of D0 (the D-FT75 branch) is an individual named Ruslan bin Makin Al-Bitar from Syria. Recently two other D0 samples were found in Saudi ArabiaThe first E1b was found in a Natufian, which were 50% Basal Eurasian.>According to Lazaridis et al. (2016), Natufian skeletal remains from the ancient Levant predominantly carried the Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b. Of the five Natufian specimens analyzed for paternal lineages, three belonged to the E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b), E1b1(xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) and E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) subclades (60%). Haplogroup E1b1b was also found at moderate frequencies among fossils from the ensuing Pre-Pottery Neolithic B culture, with the E1b1b1 and E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) subclades observed in two of seven PPNB specimens (~29%). The scientists suggest that the Levantine early farmers may have spread southward into East Africa, bringing along Western Eurasian and Basal Eurasian ancestral components separate from that which would arrive later in North Africa>Subsequent ancient DNA analysis of Natufian skeletal remains by Lazaridis et al. (2016) instead found that the specimens were a mix of 50% Basal Eurasian ancestral component (see Genetics) and 50% West Eurasian Unknown Hunter Gatherer (UHG) related to the western hunter-gatherers of Europe. Natufians have also been described by other anthropologists as a Proto-Mediterranean population, being similar to the Kebarans
OP was very clear about the statement Fucking haploaustists and spammers
>>17993829>thracians were veganswhat
>>17994418self sourced
>>17993796We have no records of Thracian, but they're clearly a branch off the greater "Scythian" lineage. Their King was famous for his gold armor and chariot pulled by 4 white horses. Very Indo-European. There was even a Thracian Roman Empror whos was supposedly 7' tall. They're "Bulgarians" now and don't seem to emphasize the Thracian stuff much.
