Holocaust denial is just that, denial, with not a shred of actual positive historiography or plausible counter-narrative to tell us the most important question about the Holocaust: what actually happened to millions of Jews who suddenly went missing by the millions from Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Germany under Nazi occupation during World War 2? They only ask for 100% proof and when provided it claim all evidence is inadmissible and too flawed, but they don't have any alternative explanation for this magical demographic disappearance on a massive scale. And until such an explanation can be provided, Holocaust denial cannot be taken seriously.Once you go past the entry level easily refuted low IQ /pol/ and twitter Holocaust denier memes like wooden doors, bear and eagle, oven arithmetic, "Ausrottung" in the Posen speeches not meaning "to kill", etc. and get to "serious" Holocaust denial like the idiots on CODOH and their current cadre of denier rockstars Mattogno, Rudolf, and Graf, they argue that the phrase "deportation to the Russian East" was not a euphemism for being murdered, but there was literally was a mass deportation of millions of Jews to the East or they just went into hiding somehow and reappeared elsewhere. Something they have, so far, produced no evidence for.
For their theories, they have>zero mass deportation records>zero aerial phototraphy of mass population transfers >zero discovery of huge populations of Jews supposedly "resettled" in the East in Reichkommisariat Ostland or Ukraine >zero further camps or villages in the East where the supposedly resettled Jews lived>zero eyewitness accounts of these alleged mass resettlements of millions1.5 million Jews appeared in the Aktion Reinhardt camps and then disappeared with no further record of their existence. A mass genocide of those Jews is the only plausible explanation of what happened, this detail is why 2 major Holocaust revisionists, David Irving and Eric Hunt, both turned away from it and accepted more or less the mainstream account of the Holocaust. Deniers avoid this and continue to focus on wacky obviously fake testimonies about electric floors and bears and eagles in a cage and minutiae of the blueprints of the Auschwitz crematoria because they have NO ANSWERS to the simple question, "what happened to those millions of Jews who were never seen again?".
The holocaust proves you can fake historical events
>>17995457Where did the millions of Jews go then? Until you can answer that simple question, denial will continue to be a joke. As Eric Hunt realized.
>>17995464what millions of jews
Show me the bomes
>>17995451Most deniers are fully aware that holocaust happend and sees the denial/downplay only as political strategy to revieve ideas like racism, militarism etc. If nazis didn't genocide the Jews then neonazis would not love them, that's why you don't see neonazis being obsessed with German Empire despite the fact that a crazy antisemite who unironically worshiped odin and believd in agartha and all that other stuff ruled over it i
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>>17995491Yes, Mike Enoch literally said on his show that he would keep promoting Holocaust denial even if he believed the Holocaust actually happened to revive National Socialism, racism, etc
>>17995491why would anybody deny the holocaust if they hated jews?
>>17995497Because they know it's political poison to their ideals. Most people find the deliberate mass slaughter of millions to be unconscionable and automatically disqualifying for an ideology, so you get around that with historical revisionism and pretending it never even happened.
>>17995500Oh so it's possible the holocaust was created to demonize european imperialism
>>17995497cos it makes nazis look pretty bad>>17995503I don't think that's true, given the nazis didn't have colonies and only exploited other european nations
>>17995505what is poland but a german colony
>>17995508You know, this kind of rhetoric is actually terrible for you Nazis. This new recent openly pro extermination rhetoric against Slavs and Jews you rats have taken will appeal to nobody besides insane sociopaths. It worked better when you lied that you just wanted ethnostates and peace for everyone.
>>17995535Lets be real here, the only major deportations were in warsaw, and I'm pretty sure warsaw was reduced to gravel, right?I find it highly plausible that the camps were created to prevent disease in the major cities and there was no better candidate than warsaw
>>17995586I've even seen pictures of impressed polish civilians working on infrastructure projects like digging trenches outside of warsaw
>>17995535>insane sociopaths100% of Jews and at least 60% of Slavs would psychologically qualify as having ASPD. Don't think bad faith moralfagging will work forever
Given how unreliable Slavs and Jews are today, shouldn’t we re-examine what they claimed about the holocaust?Is there any evidence those who died weren’t guilty?
>>17995505The only real mistake that holocaust deniers make is assuming that the rehabilitation of Nazism is tied to deboonking the holocaust.>HAH! WE HAVE UNDENIABLE PROOF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN SO NOW YOU HAVE TO BE NAZIno? I don't want to live in a repressive militaristic state that would kill or enslaved me for not falling under their arbitrary and retarded racial classifications. Nor do I want to live in a socialist shithole run by insane paranoid bureaucrats with barely any experience as statesmen.
>>17995451If holocaust denial is for retards you can call me a leftist cause im pushing 4 brain cells
The holocaust was the one good thing Hitler did
>>17995638How are they unreliable today?
>>17995451They found no mass graves after digging around the camps
>>17995464>millionsoy gevalt it was at least billions!
>>17995451What's even the point of denying it? I mean really, if you hate Jews that much, wouldn't six million of them being killed be a good thing in your eyes?
>>17995464>Where did the millions of Jews go then?They increased in number and power. Which is a symptom of genocide, apparently. Wait, not all genocides, just this one.
>>17995646Enjoy living in a judeo-illuminati surveillance state. Be sure to keep your Palantir subscription renewed monthly.A large part of me actually wants Jewish conquest to become complete and open so everyone is forced to admit Hitler was right. It'll happen, but not in my lifetime.
Can anyone explain yo me why the 6 million number was in a newspaper in 1900?Like before the supossed holocaust?
>>17996609>They increased in numberThey did not.
I would like to know more about why jews declared war on Germany in 1933, their logic, actions, organization against Germany. I see lots of old newspaper headlines about it, and a few articles about Nazis and Jews working together to help jews leave Germany for Palestine (see commemerative coin), but what caused the coopperative relationship to fall appart?
>>17995451It's mainly to just take the piss out of people nowadays. They know we're not arguing in good faith so it is effectively saying that they deserved it with the smallest amount of legal protection. That's why euros started banning denying it.
>multiracial multinational cabal of absurdly wealthy and powerful moguls continues to play the "give em something to hate" card>just go with itshiggin my diggeth
>>17997382The Jews did not "declare" war on Germany in 1933. There wasn't even a Jewish state in 1933. You fell for a sensationalist headline.
>>17995464Mainly to the Soviet Union, Israel, America, South America, and into hiding identifying as ethnic nationals of Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, and The Baltic states.Until you find the bomes this explanation is the only one we can go with for "where did they go".
>>17997382>jews declared war on Germany in 1933>I see lots of old newspaper headlinesSo you admit you're so low IQ you only read attention grabbing headlines? Every newspaper scan that has been posted here has mentioned boycotts. Boycotts isn't a war, retard.
I challenge you to provide Nazi speeches and orders that explicitly describe elimination regarding 6 million Jews. You can't.
I challenge you to provide Soviet speeches and orders that explicitly describe mass rapes regarding 6 million Berliners. You can't
zero physical evidence exists for the Holocaust, for starters
>>17998259https://youtu.be/D7XqaesNrlg?&t=7280>I am referring here to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. This is one of the things that is easily said: "The Jewish people are going to be exterminated," that's what every Party member says, "sure, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination - it'll be done." And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first-rate Jew. Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one has had to go through with it. Most of you men know what it is like to see 100 corpses side by side, or 500 or 1,000. To have stood fast through this - and except for cases of human weakness - to have stayed decent, that has made us hard. This is an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our history, for we know how difficult it would be for us if today - under bombing raids and the hardships and deprivations of war - if we were still to have the Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators, and inciters. https://youtu.be/D7XqaesNrlg?&t=7451>wir haben das moralische Recht, wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen>we have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill these people who wanted to kill us
>>17995464They scattered like roaches.
>>17998324The stupid 1948 almanac that isn't some authoritative demography of anything again? Which even says they're using pre-war 1939 data and extrapolated growth based on that since they don't have any updated data. Even the more 'highbrow' deniers from CODOH would think you're a moron and making them look bad LOLWhat did I say? Holocaust denial is for retards, indeed. I thought you were going to demand I read 12 different 800 page books by Mattogno and Graf and then claim victory which is the current meta of Holocaust denial, instead of resorting to this low IQ trash that's been torn to shreds decades ago.
>>17995451>Holocaust denialthe more I learn about what it is that jews believe, the less I care about them and the more I think that their many persecutions were all completely justified
>>17998382There's a lot of disingenuous retard arguments for the Holocaust (like Russian censuses proving the Holocaust) because it is surrounded by lies and conjecture. It's like shooting fish in the barrel for finding something that's a fabrication, half truth and white lie.
>>17998417Keep in mind British intelligence didn't run Holocaust propaganda during the war because they thought it was irrelevant to the locally based propaganda they were using and they question its voracity.
>>17998423That's probably a real picture of them burning bodies infested with lice
>>17998434>>17998429>>17998424>>17998423>>17998420>>17998418>>17998417>>17998413>>17998389Do you want to have a discussion or pollute the thread by dumping your meme folder to render that discussion impossible?
>>17998439Right, spamming to make discussion impossible it is then! You really won!
>>17998181I read what is available and do not need to lie about it. It says what is says and there are many sources that affirm the history. Lying will not change reality.
>>17998436Look im not this guy and won't post silly memes. The rock stars of revisionism have produced evidence of Jewish transports to the east. Its in those many books/ studies/ essays you don't want anyone to read. Holocaust denial has a mountain of primary source evidence backing it up. Holocaust affirmation has a mountain of hearsay rumour and conjecture and is literally a state sponsored conspiracy theory. Picrel are the only actual bodies found buried in the Sobibor camp.This thread is over now I have stated this. Reading this post, you now recognise that your blather will be easily countered and little will to continue your battle against cold hard reality.
>>17998389>I think that their many persecutions were all completely justifiedCorrect
>>17998757Post some of these primary sources.
>>17998389Yes, he definitely said this. Definitely.
>>17998757>b-but the american neonazi who works at pizzahut said hitler goodnobody cares
>>17999195>definitely said thisYes.
>>17999308Ok, where did he say this. Be more specific than "New York".
>>17999315In one of their secret jew tunnels where they meet up to sexually abuse children.
>>17999317Compelling.
>>17998757>The rock stars of revisionism have produced evidence of Jewish transports to the east.Then let's see them.>Its in those many books/ studies/ essays you don't want anyone to readAsking someone to read an entire bookshelf of "Holocaust Handbooks" is unreasonable and stupid. If you know where they are, present the evidence.
>>17999317And how do YOU know, hmm? Post your nose.
>>17997423Is Hamas at war with Israel? Is Gaza? Is it a war or a genocide? Palestinians don’t have a state. Gaza isn’t a state. Hamas isn’t a state.You don’t need a state to declare war.The Jews DID declare war on Germany as a collective, Nahum Goldman said this, Ze’ev Jabotinsky said this, Samuel Untermeyer said this, Ben Gurion the president of the Jewish Agency which declared itself a Jewish state within a state also said this.Not only did they technically have a state, yes they did declare war on Germany.You are running damage control because you are beginning to quietly realize Hitler was right. The Jews really were that bad.>NO NO NO HITLER CALLED ME A SUBHUMANcry about it. I guarantee your people are poorer and dumber than mine (NE White Americans).
>>17998321Where does it mention killing them in large number or at all?
>>17998382There is nothing to deny because the holocaust hasn’t been proven.You must in fact prove 6m jews were killed.Which means you must identify 6m jews in the German zones of control and then identity 6m jewish bodies or jews who were never accounted for within the natural span of their years (ex. jews leaving for Russia or Israel aren’t being killed).No one has done that, so the holocaust which is without evidence can be dismissed.
>>17999255Why are you in these threads if you aren’t actually open to being wrong about the holocaust?>>17999349Look up “where did they go” by Alt Hype. He has a laundry list of primary sources and goes through them highlighting the information relevant to identify what actually happened to the 300,000 jews of 1933 Germany and the 2.5m jews of Poland.
>>17999423Or you could just tell us? Where did those 3 million Jews go?
>>17999401>NE White Americansso Irish and Italian mutts that Nazis would have seen as inferior to "nordics", got it
>>17999423>Look up “where did they go” by Alt HypeMatthew Cockerill refuted this in a few sentences on the CODOH forum. You can't just say that Soviet statistics were fake and handwave away all those missing Jews by that. These things need evidence.
>>17995464Their went in to the atmosphere.
>>17999423Do you have sources that are not made by twitter literaly whos neonazis? Maybe some historian or some book or something?
I assume the germans did murder jews because people aren't just statistics. The people who died would've had residencies, occupations, relatives, birth certificates, school diplomas, letters and diaries etc. Those kinds of "footprints" take a lot of effort to destroy or fabricate, it's practically impossible.
>>17999457Literally was studied by scanning, Benz and surveyed by Rudolf. And cockerill got his intellectual shit pushed in by Peinovich.>>17999489Ok so where are these enormous footprints of dead Jews?>>17999489You mean Van Pelt? Pressac? What or who do you demand everyone accept?
>>17999740Sanning
>>17999740Just name some historian (not blogger from killthekikes.com or twitter engage baiter) or a work made by such historian who says that Germans didn't murder Jews, I promise to take a look
>>17999773Carlo Mattogno readily agrees that Germans did murder Jews in extreme circumstances. Why isn’t this authors work good enough for you?
>>17999786I said Historian, not a writer
>>17999791Mattogno writes and researches. And he’s an expert. Thus he’s a historian.
>>17999811A historian is a person who studies and writes about the past and is regarded as an authority on it.Who regards some random italian nobody as authority? He doesn't even have a higher education Not to mention this guys is a neonazi and belongs to a neonazi organisaiton that worship Rudolf Hess, not really an objective source, you might as well post sources from Gobbles
>>17999829Mattogno is regarded as an authority on the matter as few other authors have written so extensively on the matter. Your argument is akin to saying Gallileo wasn't a scientist because the church didn't accept his findings. In any case Van Pelt is an architectural historian and Pressac was a pharmacist, and Hilberg did pol sci and a masters of the arts degree but no holocaust peddler denies their work so your arguments falls apart right there. Funny thing is if I asked you for a historian to read you have no idea who to recommend and anyone you think of can't even touch Mattogno's work because they didn't do the research.
>>17999881>Mattogno is regarded as an authorityby who?Van Pelt and Pressac are both respected and consider to be an authority, nobody cares about your racist neonazi thug is thinking
>>17999907By the other authorities in the matter, ie the revisionist scholars. Van Pelt and Presac were debunked and exposed decades ago the former has been silent ever since. Mainly because they didn't keep up with the research and the primary source evidence. Pressac was given no great send off upon his death despite the brief acclaim he got when his work first came out. When you actually get into it everyone agrees that the works are shoddy and poor scholarship generally
>>17999948>Van Pelt and Presac were debunked and exposed decades agoby who? your favorite neonazi drug dealer from some altright blog?
>>17999948By the numerous factual and contextual inaccuracies pointed out using primary source evidence of the documents of the camp at the time.All the studies have references and no holocaust peddling be they integralist or whatever has ever defended their works since.
>>17996619>Can anyone explain yo me why the 6 million number was in a newspaper in 1900?>Like before the supossed holocaust?Can you post an image of that newspaper please? Maybe that can provide some context. Also, can you explain why there were news reports of the Holocaust as early as 1942 in the new york times?
>>18000058>By the numerous factual and contextual inaccuracies pointed outlike?
>>18000071The 6 million number was a propaganda number used earlier for Russian program posting. These reports were because the holocaust was being made up by polish resistance ie commies etc in the camps who sent out bulletin reports to the delagatura. War propaganda. That's all it ever was.
>>18000087what about 5000 other evidences including 6 millions jew magicaly disappearing from eastern europe
>>18000087based Poles exposing the inhumanity of kraut
>>18000085>like?An alleged increase in the number of air exchanges for the alleged gas chamber over those of the alleged undressing hall. The transformation of these rooms is alleged to be in a criminal sense.Subsequently debunked/refuted by further reference to more documents. Which are fully referenced by the author.
>>18000089Never happened. Doesn't exist.
>>18000107>holocaust didn't happen cos air or somethingthat doesn't tell me lot
>>18000111Jews never lived in eastern europe?
>>18000112No the hard evidence of the holocaust doesn't exist. Eastern Europe and Jews and Poles etc etc all exist.
>>18000129>No the hard evidence of the holocaust doesn't existTons of evidence tho, you can see most of it 2 minutes spend in google>Eastern Europe and Jews (...) all exist.Jews literally cease to be a big part of population during 1941-1945, many big cities like Warsaw or Vilnus were 30-40% Jewish and in some rural part of south-eastern Poland, Jewish were a majority
>>18000087>These reports were because the holocaust was being made up by polish resistance ie commies etc in the camps who sent out bulletin reports to the delagatura. War propaganda. That's all it ever was.Why did the polish resistance need to make up propaganda after the war was already 3 years running?
>>18000147No evidence. If there's so much you should post it from Google like you say you can. Yes. Jews were persecuted and scattered. That's not a holocaust as they themselves define it.>>18000180They started even earlier about 40 to 41 as I recall. Revisionism even found the guy that was going around Europe spreading this shit.
>>18000071>Can you post an image of that newspaper please? Maybe that can provide some context.The 6 million number was used over and over and over starting before 1900, long before WW2 even started. Newspapers reported 6 million killd in 1935 in the soviet union. Info is not hard to find, so easy in fact you have to refuse to just look it up.
>>18000194what happend to Jews during 41-45 that cause the 6 million of them to completly disappear from Eastern Europe while all the pogroms and other persecutions in XIX and XX before WW2 didn't even cause their population to shrink?
>>17997423>The Jews did not "declare" war on Germany in 1933Yes, yes they did, and it is well documented.
>>18000206who are "The Jews"?
>>18000202They scattered. Why is this difficult?
>>18000241Six million Jews just one day randomly scattered leaving their homes?
>>18000257>Nooooo! They disappeared in one day dude!Kek
>>18000289so what caused them to "scatter" during 1941-1944? by the 1945 there were almost no Jews in Poland
>>18000303The war and its consequences. Biggest war in history even.
>>18000318Why would they "scatter" when Poles, Ukrainians and Belorussians(1/4 of their country was murdered by nazis) remained?
>>17998382>there is no evidence!>here is some evidence>It doesn't count...BECAUSE IT DOESN'T OK!?sad
>>18000332IV reich is not sending their best
>>18000326Desolation. Devastation. Isreal and America plus soviet machinations.
>>18000332The almanac is inconclusive really. Better to read the WBenz work and the Sanning work and the overview by G Rudolf
>>18000350And only Jews were affected because?
>>18000359They had numerous overseas connections and were either invited west or taken east.
>>18000366So the Jews were forced to scatter and leave their 700 year old homes behind by their allies?
>>18000367Plus good old fashioned east European anti semitism. Also 700 years old.
>>18000355Why are you so obssed with that neonazi pedophile who walks naked around childrendeebly concerned
>>18000372So did the 6 million Jews were scatter by their allies or were forced to scatter by antisemitism? you are not making a lot of sense
>>18000373He's a good man who writes well. Does legitimate research and videos and live interviews. All available. Plus he can't really be debated on it because he's the expert more than anyone else.
>>18000379Walking naked around children is not what good men do. Is that what white people like to do?
>>18000390>walking naked round children Kek
>>18000391maybe your beloved Rudolf is a neonazi because he thought that Hitler would allow him to do that
>>18000393Unlikely. Hitler was a nazi.
>>17995451You are dumb as shit. You can’t just read one subject and call it off, the Jewish “race” can’t even map their own dna to coordinates in Israel or modern day Palestine nigga it’s a hoax
>>17996612>the world is black or white
This Holocaust thing is rather disheartening. You may try as hard as you want, achieve a certain degree of efficiency, and yet, the very thing you struggled against will be there, clawing at you from behind every fucking corner.I, of course, would never question the words of our enlightened statesmen and educators. However, they, generous souls, seem to give too much credit to that Hitler guy. His atrocities had a rather negligible direct effect, which makes him quite an underwhelming villain.
>>18000401lots of neonazis like you think that age of constant is a jewish conspiracy that prevents you from having healthy aryan children, don't worry about it >>18000438it's more about the fact that Holocaust teached our society more about the danger of racism, eugenics and hate which caused a slighty better world (more freedom, fall of colonial empires etc)
>>18000450ok poojeet.
>>18000450>Projection from a poster of anime young girls. Kek
>>17999432How does this contribute to the discussion at all?
>>17995637Slavs are all around nice people, Germans are much more soulless and autistic
>>18000087The polish resistance were anti communists you complete moron
>>17995451The thing about it is that nobody cares anymore. Even if it did happen, nobody gives a damn. Jews aren't sympathetic victims, they're if anything seen as conniving sadists who hate everyone except themselves.
>>18000615>nobody cares anymore.did you ever notice how many new holocaust museums, tv and radio ads, movies, books and constant talk by the jews' never ending promotion as a tactic to make you feel guilty for something you had nothing to do with
>>18000688No, I have never, in my entire life, heard a "holocaust radio ad", and nor have you.
>>17995451I study holocaust denial so I can troll both sides when needed.
>>18000762>nor have you.I hear them all the time, jews on the radio constantly talking about jewish charities and non-profits needing money for the ever increasing number of holocaust survivors (their numbers keep increasing your know). There are tv ads, internet ads, mail flyers. I have seen and hear them all and still hear them on the radio.
>>18000968And you can show us these holocaust radio ads and flyers no doubt no doubt.
>>18000601They were various groups of varying nationalities and political parties receiving coordination by the delagatura.>>18000762The holocaust lies are enforced every day and on annual special occasions across the world and in tv and media campaigns as well as by legislative action readily enacted to jail even frail old ladies and their lawyers.>>18000917You don't troll us because you don't know anything about holocaust denial. >>18000972https://www.creativereview.co.uk/history-channel-holocaust-remembrance-ad-campaign/https://www.thedrum.com/news/2024/01/31/best-ads-the-week-honoring-holocaust-memorial-day-acid-attack-victimshttps://www.adsoftheworld.com/campaigns/holocaust-memorial-day
tldrhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1757930886183754.mp4
>>18001093Ok based af
>>18000229Who they say they are?
>>18000115Jews never lived in such numbers nor did they disappear in such numbers furthermore disappearance isn’t murder.
>>17995451Holocaust happened but it was greatly exaggerated, including the numbers.
>>18001224>including the numbersIn what way?The 6 million number was just the Jews, if you include the Romani, Poles, Greeks, and other victims of the Nazi regime the number is at least 11 million. Several Nazi officials during the Nuremberg Trials actually stated they were capable of even more than this
>>17999489Yes. Look up “where did they go” by Alt Hype. He cites all of his sources.>>17999429Into hiding, died from collateral damage, died in the uprisings and partisan wars, escaped to the USSR or Hungary or Romania.>>17999432Who? I said North East US. Those groups are minority coastal groups. I am from interior New York.>>17999457>refuted this thing I haven’t even seen???He lists sources from the Soviets as to why their numbers are unreliable. He even steelmans holocaust case giving an explanation even if we accept the Soviets were biased in favor of judaization of Slavs as opposed to what the evidence shows according to the Soviets themselves which is they Slavicized and Russified eastern Europe’s populations.Watch the video. There is no actual case for the holocaust. It relies on conjecture and gray areas of unverifiable “history”.
>>18001230Ok
>>18001237Why is this a webm?
>>18001240Because one of you thought it would be profitable to create it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference>The Wannsee Conference (German: Wannseekonferenz, German pronunciation: [ˈvanzeːkɔnfeˌʁɛnt͡s] ) was a meeting of senior government officials of Nazi Germany and Schutzstaffel (SS) leaders, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942. The purpose of the conference, called by the director of the Reich Security Main Office SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, was to ensure the co-operation of administrative leaders of various government departments in the implementation of the Final Solution to the Jewish Question, whereby most of the Jews of German-occupied Europe would be deported to occupied Poland and murdered. >In all, 15 officials attended the conference.[c]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution>The Final Solution[a] or the Final Solution to the Jewish Question[b] was a plan orchestrated by Nazi Germany during World War II for the genocide of individuals they defined as Jews. The "Final Solution to the Jewish question" was the official code name for the murder of all Jews within reach, which was not restricted to the European continent.[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Wannsee_Protokoll_januar_1942.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws>The Nuremberg Laws (Nürnberger Gesetze, pronounced [ˈnʏʁnbɛʁɡɐ ɡəˈzɛtsə] ) were antisemitic and racist laws introduced in Nazi Germany on 15 September 1935 at a special session of the Reichstag during the annual Nuremberg Rally of the Nazi Party. The legislation comprised two measures. The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour prohibited marriages and sexual relations between Jews and Germans and barred Jewish households from employing German women under the age of 45. The Reich Citizenship Law restricted citizenship to people of "German or related blood", reducing others to state subjects without full rights.
>another holocauster threadStill on the German gibs huh
>>18001224The Holocaust "happened" in the sense that Jews and other inmates were worked to death and died of typhus.Gas chambers are a mythAnd by the way, a lot of people were dying for many many reasons in those years, there was a huge war going on. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that apparently the roughest years for concentration camp inmates corresponded to the period of time when things were also getting rough for Germans living outside of the camps, namely 1943 and 1944.Of course there would be less bread in both Germany and Poland once the Red Army retook the Ukraine in late 1943
>>18001252>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Wannsee_Protokoll_januar_1942.pdfWhich specific page and paragraph in this file supports whatever argument you're trying to make?
>>18001273It's the full text of the Wannsee Protocol. I should've have expected Holocaust deniers to do something as silly as read some original sources over taking the words of some online grifters, my bad!
>>18001277There is not a word in this protocol about whether, when or how Jews were supposed to be exterminated. Hence, Yehuda Bauer, professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, explained in 1992 (Jewish Telegraph…):“The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at.”https://nukebook.org/event/wannsee-conference/905/Cope you cringe faggot
>>17996608Because Holocaust is the religion of libtards.
>>18001219They do, and the act of nazis murdering six millions of Jews is the most document thing that happend during WW2 >>18001231Do you have sources that are not made by twitter literaly whos neonazis? Maybe some historian or some book or something?
>>18001277Okay, and in this full text, which specific words support your point?Please don't be stingy with the details>>18001297>and the act of nazis murdering six millions of Jews is the most document thing that happend during WW2Yeah, I guess it is indeed, if you include witness statements obtained under heavy torture and count that as "documentation"Anyway, anyone of you wants to explain the wooden door as "the door is a reconstruction because the Nazis blew up solely the door to destroy evidence of the gassings, the actual room was no big deal and that's why they didn't demolish it"?
>>18001305Evidence for the Holocaust comes in four main varieties:Contemporary documents, including a wide variety of "letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches"; Holocaust train schedules and statistical summaries generated by the SS; and photographs, including official photographs, clandestine photographs by survivors, aerial photographs, and film footage of the liberation of the camps. More than 3,000 tons of records were collected for the Nuremberg trialsLater testimony from tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, including survivors such as Sonderkommandos, who directly witnessed the extermination process; perpetrators such as Nazi leaders, SS guards, and Nazi concentration camp commandants; and local townspeople. Moreover, virtually none of the perpetrators put on trial denied the reality of the systematic murder, with the most common excuse (where one was given) being that they were just following orders.Material evidence in the form of concentration and extermination camps, which still exist with various amounts of the original structure preserved, and thousands of mass graves containing the corpses of Holocaust victims.Circumstantial evidence: during World War II, the population of Jews in German-occupied Europe was reduced by about six million. About 2.7 million Jews were deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Kulmhof extermination camp, and the Operation Reinhard camps never to be seen or heard from again.
>>18001305>muh doorhttps://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#flimsydoordebooonkedit's easier to make up lies than debunk it but still, if neonazis will get lazy and post the same thing over and over then the historical knowladge will eventually catch up and expose your attempt at manipulate it for personal gains
>>18000688It's pointless.Holocaust propaganda worked wonderfully in the 90s, that was the golden age of Holocaust Guilt because you had the right combination of "everyone watches the TV" and "the concentration camps are now open to the public".But Holocaust rhetoric couldn't keep the pace with the internet, where information is traded outside of central channels and therefore it is impossible for the Powers That Be to maintain a single, coherent, unified narrative.We have had modestly funded webpages citing skepticism over the official history of the Holocaust since before some current 4chan users were born. And now there's Telegram and X, where left-wing censorship is if not outright absent, at the very least greatly curtailed and limited to open calls to violence.Add to that that in the 90s, classrooms full of White kids could be successfully guilt-tripped into believing that the Jews were thoroughly victimised by Whites, because White people are genuinely empathetic and are willing to sacrifice some resources and offer them to out-group individuals, unlike other groups that show heavy, pretty much total in-group preference.But now you have classrooms that are like 30% White in countless Western countries, do you think kids from Turkey or Nigeria or Mexico care about Holocaust rhetoric?In a nutshell, Holocaust rhetoric is a dying god. Not quite dead, but the precarious balance that allowed it to become the secular religion of the West is gradually disappearing. This is not to say that whatever will come after it will necessarily be good, but at least it will be different.I could go on and explain the roles of Zionism and anti-Zionism, and the fact that there's also left-wing and apolitical Holocaust revisionism, but you get my point
>>18001317>and the fact that there's also left-wing and apolitical Holocaust revisionismlolabsolutely no, trying to deny the holocaust is solely a neonazi thing
They changed the number on the wall in Auschwitz down like 3 times
>>18001309Thank you for your CheatGPT-style answer.You don't seem to have the courtesy to reply with your own knowledge, so I'll go out of my way and post my comeback without the aid of AI.>Contemporary documents, including a wide variety of "letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches"Saying what?>Holocaust train schedules and statistical summaries generated by the SS; and photographs, including official photographs, clandestine photographs by survivors, aerial photographs, and film footage of the liberation of the camps.Okay, you have proven that the camps existed. Nobody denies that. I'm sure you understand a concentration camp isn't automatically a death camp>Later testimony from tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, including survivors such as Sonderkommandos, who directly witnessed the extermination process; perpetrators such as Nazi leaders, SS guards, and Nazi concentration camp commandantsOnce more, testimonies from people who were either straight up tortured or threatened to be disadvantaged if they didn't collaborate.Because Germany was a defeated country>Material evidence in the form of concentration and extermination camps, which still exist with various amounts of the original structure preserved, and thousands of mass graves containing the corpses of Holocaust victims.Okay, there were camps and people died there, nobody denies that. Redundant>Circumstantial evidence: during World War II, the population of Jews in German-occupied Europe was reduced by about six millionThe six million number is symbolic and shows up before 1939 with regard to how many Jews died in this or that sequence of pogromsSee kids, this is why you're supposed to do your own homework and not delegate it to your chatbot, it's all pseudo-intellectual slop>>18001311>lazyI don't want you to call me lazy when all you did was paste a URL when I'm writing actual answers>personal gainsYou think Herr Hitler is sending me Reichsmarks from the Moon or something?
>>18001319https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_RassinierLiterally 5 seconds on Google.You don't care about the truth, you just want to win internet points, as proven by you pulling out your Wojak folder
>>18001323>six million number is symbolic and shows up before 1939 with regard to how many Jews died in this or that sequence of pogromsExcept it doesn't.
>>18001321This is what the original plaque from the late 40s said.A total of 4 million dead at Auschwitz during WW2.The one currently in place says 1.5 million.Surely if the original 6 million Jews number was dependent on the original tally of 4 million total victims at Auschwitz, then such a heavy revision would impact the other tall as well, right?But apparently not.It's still 6 million Jews overall.Keep in mind the official narrative says most Auschwitz victims were Jews (Wikipedia goes with 960k Jews out of 1.1 million total dead), so you just know the 6 million figure should be revised.But apparently we don't need to do that?
>>18001335You reckon the death toll was calculated by driving around the camps and adding up whatever was on the plaque there?
>>18001335Addendum: the new plaque says 1.5 million, but the current death tally per Wikipedia is "at least 1.1 million".A difference of 400k people might make no difference if your name is Stalin, but it sure is telling that we keep quietly reviewing the figures in one direction only, all while strongly condemning those who try to do so loudly, mh?
>>18001337Oh, so the plaques just cite random numbers that can be safely disregarded? Good to know that I should be careful before trusting official statements on this specific historical event
>>18001319Germar Rudolf isn't a Nazi. >>18001311Posting from the cringe bloggers. Those guys do photo shops, got banned by their own side never do any studies of their own and to this day hide their faces from the public and won't do interviews or debates. THE FACTS;A series of wartime documents from theAuschwitz Campauthorities mention terms such as ‘gastight door’ or ‘gastight window.’ Polish investigators right after the war, and subsequently many orthodox scholars, have claimed that this so-called “criminal trace” points at the existence ofhomicidal gas chambersat Auschwitz.However, a thorough analysis of these documents shows that most of them were destined to be installed indelousing chambers, while others were used for completely innocuous rooms. There are only a few documents where neither their contents nor their contexts allow determining what they were used for.Homicidal gas chambers holding tens, hundreds or even thousands of victims need more than just gastight closure, though. Most of all, their doors need to be secured against a panicking crowd. This requires a massive wall into which a panic-proof door frame can be set, as well as the frame and the door itself. The door would have to be made of steel to prevent buckling and splintering from a crowd of people banging, kicking and pushing against it.Doors that would have suited this purpose were mass-produced in Germany before and during the war as air-raid-shelter doors. While they were not built to keep people and noxious gases inside, but rather to keep out falling debris and noxious, hot gases, they would have served the purpose.Several other camps received such air-raid-shelter doors and used them for their delousing chambers, such asMajdanek,StutthofandDachau. Auschwitz, however, never received any such door. https://nukebook.org/technology/gastight-doors/
Like this board needed *another* holocauster thread.
>>18001339>doesn't answer the questionYou are transparent
Particularly impressive is that, according to some exterminationists, only 3 million of the 6 million total died in gas chambers and a vast share of the rest were killed by firing squads.For context, that's how many people died at Stalingrad combining BOTH sides.I'm supposed to believe that between 1940 and 1944, there was a second, silent, one-sided Battle of Stalingrad within German-controlled territory with some incredibly busy firing squads, apparently no more than 3000 in total if you exclude non-German collaborators.3000 soldiers killed 2-3 million Jews.That's more than Baby Yar ten times in a row, except that we only know of one Baby Yar, and of course that assumes the death tally for Baby Yar itself is correct.Why weren't these steel-hearted murder machines deployed on the Eastern Front to stop the Red Army?And this is somehow supposed to be combined with the official story that gas chambers were devised by Himmler so that shooting squads wouldn't have had to handle physical elimination of Jewish inmates.While we are at it: do I need to remind anyone that the Russians tried to pin Katyn on the Germans? The same Russians who took control of Auschwitz and all the other alleged German death camps, just so we're clear
>>18001350You didn't answer my question either>so the plaques just cite random numbers that can be safely disregarded?You are transparent (whatever that means, I guess we're here to banter or something)
>>18001359>admits he's not here to banter
>>18001326>You don't care about the truth,>merchants>truthhttps://vocaroo.com/18twJnNhzgJO
>>18001361I thought this was the history board and well, the Holocaust is a historical topic for sure.It's either the largest massacre in history (together with the Holodomor), or the largest hoax. I'm inclined to believe the latter, if anything because of how infinitely political it is and the fact that people have actually gone to jail for saying they don't believe in it.No such thing as a tankie who goes to jail for denying the Holodomor>but it's illegal in UkraineNot to the point of jail time, even there
>>17997194that's because they aborted their babies
>>18001344your beloved neonazi Rudolf is a pedophile who walks naked around children, I'm sorry that you are choosing your idols so poorly but you shouldn't get brainwashed so easily by this pedo death cult that is neonazism
>>18001373>muh six gorilion hoholsshow Stalin order?show bomes?
>>18000194>They started even earlier about 40 to 41 as I recall. Revisionism even found the guy that was going around Europe spreading this shit.But my question remains, >Why did the polish resistance need to make up propaganda after the war was already 3 years running?
>>18001373The history board of the armpit of the Internet and the designated politics overspill. If you take this place seriously you are mentally ill.Now, do you think the holocaust death toll was calculated by driving around and adding up camp plaques?
>>18001393There's no evidence of Rudolf being a pedophile. Meanwhile you post young girls. And no one gives a fuck what you're sorry about. >>18001401Thanks for admitting genocides can be made up easily. >>18001455But my question remains,>Why did the polish resistance need to make up propaganda after the war was already 3 years running?This assumes they weren't doing propaganda long before as I just indicated. If you actually bother to read revisionists research you'll find they were up to all kinds of activity when the polish army was defeated and the germans took over. >>18001472Im not the guy you're asking but - Actual survey of death tolls;"Right after the war, wild numbers of inmates killed at various German wartime camps circulated in the media and among historians, often initiated by unsubstantiated or fraudulent claims, made by witnesses or official “expert reports.” The following table lists several of the better-known German camps. The second column gives the number of victims claimed immediately after the war by certain sources, the third column an approximation of the numbers claimed by the orthodoxy today, and the fourth column the post-war-exaggeration multiple."https://nukebook.org/absurdities/exaggerated-death-tolls/279/
>>18001491>right after the war
>>18001493Yes, from May 1945 onwards you fucking retard. Kek
>>18001491So you admit that holdomor and any other comunist crime never happend, thanks
>>18001491>There's no evidence of a guy walking naked around children being a pedophileneonazis are pretty bad people, that's why nobody cries after you when you get beaten or shoot
>>18001506Im not the guy claiming the holodomor or the Armenian genocide were real or any more real than the lolocaust. Thanks for agreeing that they're all fake and gay theatre productions, especially the holocaust.
>>18001508Germar Rudolf has never ever walked naked around children. You however, post anime girls. Everybody loves nazis and thinks we're cool.
>>18001510why hitler went to war if nobody wanted to genocide germans since genocides are not real
>>18001514https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2019/07/09/germar-rudolf-holocaust-denier-charged-open-lewdness-red-lion-pa/1685114001/>Everybody loves nazisLooks like he really thought that children love neonazis enough to the point that thery want to see their junk
>>18001515>retard questionThe Reich zone was being invaded, specifically bessarabia . Soviet union wanted war all across Europe
>>18001521>Soviet union wanted war all across Europeshow stalin order that he wanted to wage war all across Europe?
>>18001521Which part of Germany is Bessarabia in?
>>18001520He was exercising outside and there were no children around because it was middle of the night. It had nothing to do with children. He isn't even a nazi. Looks like you accuse people of being pedos while you post anime girls as your identity marker.
>>18001530It's Romania, a German ally, very close actually. But thanks for at least trying a comeback.
>>18001534>RomaniaSo not Germany?
>>18001533>from being a holocaust denial to exhibitionist denialwhat a ride
>>18001534But it's bad when France and UK declare war over Poland?
>>18001541Attacking someone who attacked your ally confirmed justified.
>>18001546So Germany was an agressor in 39 and UK and France were 100% justified?
>>18001548Apparently so.
>>18001550Why did Germany started WW2 when?
>>18001537No not Germany. Should it be?>>18001539Germans like to exercise outdoors. Part of their nature loving culture. Read the actual case.>>18001541>>18001548Yes of course. Hitler offered generous terms. Romania received no generous terms. Neither did numerous Baltic states. Again showing hitler is the good guy everyone else is the bad guy.
>>18001554Why did Germany started WW2 when? Since USSR demanding Baserabia is bad then so should be Germans wanting Polish corridor
>>18001554>all germans are pedo flashersWeird, I thought neonazis weren't racist towards germans or maybe it's just white peoples thing?
>>18001560Germans had a literal german city there. Russia just wanted stuff.Not the same.>>18001561Go to one of the many German bath houses and tell them that they are this. I’m sure they’ll get your meaning if no one else does.
>>18001576Poles didn't own Danzig, what about Polish Coridor?
>>18001582There’s lots of things they didn’t own and didn’t need. Still caused a lot of shit for no reason. They got excellent terms from hitler and refused them preferring terror and war instead.
>>18001589>if you don't do what I tell you, I'm justified in killing youAbsolutely nigger tier.
>>18001590>Noooooo! You’ve got to let me kill your local Germans ! If you invade you’re a monster Noooooo!Kek
>>18001606No Germans were being killed anon.
>>18001609Plenty of Germans were being killed. Poles hated Germany because of centuries of German domination
>>18001622When and where were Germans being killed.
>>18001297>most document thingSo can we see these documents? Where is the order from Hitler?If it is so well documented where are the documents tallying up every death, show us a death certificate for 6m Jews. There are death certificates for many millions more Germans, Soviets, and Anglos who died.>do you have sourcesYes, watch the video.>twitter neonazisWho?The sources are cited in the video. They are primary sources and the exact quotes and images of the documents themselves are present in the video.>maybe some historianHistorians are not allowed to dissent from the holocaust orthodoxy, therefore we should not rely on opinion, even professional opinion, we should rely on primary sources, on what can be concretely proven.
>>18001393>beloved Neo Nazi pedophileYou are an evil person who has no charity for those who disagree with them. You have lost your soul to ideology.>NO NO IM GOODif you were good you wouldn’t exhibit ASPD behaviors.
>>18001625In and around the disputed areas. >>18001631Spitting straight facts to faggots
>>18001590True which is why Poles and Jews had to be interred in camps.>>18001625Interbellum period saw 20,000 Germans killed by Poles.
>>18001631You can demonstrate this by posting the death certificates for all 250,000 Germans who were killed in Dresden.
>>18001634>>18001636>In and around the disputed areas>Interbellum period saw 20,000 Germans killed by PolesCitations desperately needed.
>>18001637Ok and the same for the 6 gorillion Jews or have you given that claim up already?
>>18001647>no death certificate for even 1 German killed in the Dresden bombing???
>>17995451True, true.....But 6 million? Really???
>>18001651Why would I need to dispute Dresden?Allies bombed civilians routinely
>>17995451>9They went to America, Palestine, and Western Europe dummy.
>>18001655Then there should be plenty of death certificates for you to post.
>>18001589>y-you don't need this wallet hehenazis are thugs confrimed, rope was the deserved punishment>>18001633>if you dislike my beloved neonazi pedophile you are le evil!lol
>>18001606>Plenty of Germans were being killedShow Polish document that ordered killing of GermansShow bomes>>18001655Show allies document ordering bombing of DresdenShow bomes
>>18001658>>18001662>No German death certificates>No Polish orders to kill Germans>No Allied orders to bomb Dresden>No bomesHmm...
>>18001631>>18001633hey you nazi faggot, where is the Rydz-Smigly order to kill germans and invade Danzig?
>>18001717Does there need to be one? They have the bodies and bomes.>NaziAre the Nazis in the thread with us?Besides. Slavs aren’t known for their top down organization like Germans. It’s very likely the invasion of Danzig was a Polish chimpout. Like Gleiwitz. The recent releases on Gliewitz has shown it really was just some polish thugs.Check the Unz article. It has the citations.
>>18001659>buzzwordsMhm>>18001687So looking at the pictures of Dresden. What alternative theory do you propose?We have many alternative theories for the holohoax.But why the bad faith? Why even get into these threads just to make clearly bad faith arguments and naysay good faith cases?
>>18001737>>18001743>Does there need to be evidenceYes?Where is orderWhere are bomes
>>18001743>(((pictures))) of Dresdenok, were is the order and bones?also nazi scortched earth did Dresden
>>18001743Pictures? You said there were death certificates. Post German death certificates for Germans killed in Dresden.
>>18001754>>18001759Now if I say Dresden was a hoax will you agree the holocaust was a hoax.But here are the orders>https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8420508
>>18001804>whataboutismI am fully prepared to say a negative number of people died in Dresden if you will admit the holocaust is a hoax.Do we find these standards agreeable?
>>18001807>>18001812no order/bomes?
>>18001819No one on earth disputes the existence of an order to bomb Dresden and the subsequent casualties in that city. Not even you. Plus the physics and effects of bombs are demonstrated before during and long after world war two. Even today.
>>18001853>it's just happend, okay??no order/bomes?
>>18001875Well David Irving details the orders and the bones. Picrel https://www.airforcetimes.com/veterans/military-history/2019/02/16/74-years-ago-allied-bombers-obliterated-dresden-one-of-germanys-most-beautiful-cities/
>>18001886>some random typhus victimsok? where is order from Churchill?
>>18001889>typhusTyphus doesn't destroy buildings>where's the order?Harris approval detailed here apparently;Longmate, Norman (1983).The Bombers: Royal Air Force Air Offensive Against Germany. Hutchinson & CompanyWe both agree it happened of course
>>18001898where is the written order from Churchill that says >bomb the Dresden?
>>17995451>bear and eagle,What does this refer to?
>>18001908There isn't one. Why would dresden need churchill's personal approval? Harris was in charge of the air force. And bombing a city isn't a genocide.
>>18001918One of the many fantastic tales Jews told to help sell their interests
