Western Turks are just Greek + central Asian mutts??
Eastern Turks are Caucaso-Armenians
>>17997519I'm thinking about buying a PC, I use gcope25 on my brother's PC, like, is there any way I can pass it on to myself? Or not?
>>17997519>>17997521Turkmens and Uzbeks are mixed with Persians, Tajiks, and Gypsies. They cannot be Medieval Turks.
>>17997525pontics are pontian converts and people from baybaurt ispir tortum and yusufeli oltu are muslim armenians. but the rest of the east has significant kurdjeet admixture. from kurds rapebabying armenians and then becoming turkified into the erzurumjeet erzincanjeet population.
>>17997519Yes, they're literally just greek muslims. The funny thing is Turkey is probably the least religious muslim country. They're fighting over fucking nothing.
western turks were anatolian greeks who got raped hard by turkmen oghuz subhumans into a mestizo race
and balkanites were raped by already muut anatolian turks into the ataturk race
>>17997519Central Asian Turkic mutts are bastards of Tajik men that mixed with Turkic Mongol Chinese women which is why Kyrgyz, Turkmen, Uyghurs, and Uzbeks share their paternal lineages with their paternal Tajik side, instead of real Turkics and Mongols.
>>17997881It is the exact opposite. Medieval steppe Turks are closer to Hazara, Pamiri, Tajiks, Turkmen, and Uzbeks, because Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are basically Chinese with minimal Turkic ancestry.
>>17998739>>17998744That's because they mostly descend from the local Scythian/Sakas who were already heavily Asian admixed. Pure Turkics were the Slab Grave people with N and Q y-dna: >A genetic study published in Scientific Reports in January 2020 examined the remains of 26 individuals buried at various elite Avar cemeteries in the Pannonian Basin dated to the 7th century.[58] The mtDNA of these Avars belonged mostly to East Asian haplogroups, while the Y-DNA was exclusively of East Asian origin and "strikingly homogenous", belonging to haplogroups N-M231 and Q-M242.[59] The evidence suggests that the Avar elite were largely patrilineal and endogamous for centuries, and entered the Pannonian Basin through migrations from East Asia involving both men and women.[60] Another 2020 study, but of Xiongnu remains in East Asia, found that the Xiongnu shared certain paternal (N1a, Q1a, R1a-Z94 and R1a-Z2124) and maternal haplotypes with the Huns and Avars, and says on this basis that they were descended from Xiongnu, who they in turn suggested were descended from Scytho-Siberians.
>>17998467The other way around, Greeks raped Turkic women. Turks have more asian mtdna than ydna
>>17998750Early medieval steppe Turkics like the ones that I showed had some Xiongnu haplogroups but majority Xiongnu autosomal ancestry. As they were assimilated the Sogdian and Scythian men cucked the Chinese Turkic Mongol men. Late medieval Turkics experienced another round of it with Tajiks cucking Kyrgyz, Turkmen, Uyghurs, and Uzbeks until their Xiongnu haplogroups were a small fraction but Xiongnu autosomal ancestry was the majority, except for the Chinese-descended Kyrgyz who aren't Xiongnu, Scythian, Sogdian, or Tajik in their autosomal ancestry.
>>17998756The Scythians were already mixed with Asians before the Turks showed up.
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>>17998769Medieval steppe Turkics were mostly Xiongnu autosomally, despite the introduction of Sogdian and Scythian haplogroups.
I kinda smirk a bit when Turks call others rapebabies, not realizing the rapebabies are those who started identifying as Turka, and everyone else are the survivors
>>17998774Can you read? >they were descended from Xiongnu, who they in turn suggested were descended from Scytho-Siberians.It's hard to tell if 'Turkic' ancestry is male-mediated or not, because they were a small elite of N and Q ANAs ruling over Scythian mutts.
>>17998784Turkics are not rapebabies, they are cuckbabies.Tajiks cucked them in Central Asia.Kurds and Armenians cucked them in Anatolia. Greeks cucked them in the Balkans.The only rapebabies among them are the Kazakhs (raped by Mongols) and Kyrgyz (raped by Tajiks).
>>17998789All of the Turkic ancestry is female-mediated, since N and Q are nearly dead in Turkics, while there's still plenty of Turkic mtDNA and autosomal ancestry. Also Q is just another Scythian haplogroup that cucked the Turkics, but itself was cucked by the Sogdian haplos.
>>17998793Nah, the Turks cucked many subject peoples, but what we refer to as Turkish today are the byproduct of the cuckery, not the subject peoples themselves. That's why it's funny
>>17998796You'd have to define what 'Turkic' ancestry first is to make that assertion, but it's not very clear yet. Uzbeks are not more Asian than Berel/Pazyks (Scytho-Siberians) for example.
>>17998817You are trying to do damage control because you're a humiliated cuck descendant. Turkic ancestry is represented by the shitty ANA ancestry that had N you admitted it yourself at >>17998789 but you were wrong about details the ANA were very numerous and the ANA had N not Q which is associated with Scythians.
>>17998825The Turks from Kazkhstan are literally less Asian than the Scytho-Siberians.
>>17998827Irrelevant to the fact that Turkic ancestry was mediated by females.
>>17998832No. What happened is that they assimilated a bunch of Scythians who already mutts and now we can't tell what's 'Turkic' ancestry or not, but it's suggested to be related to the Slab Grave people (who were already mixed with West Eurasians by the way, so it was female-mediated in their case).
>>17998841No, those were Saka they went extinct in the Iron Age, after being exterminated by Scythians who were exterminated by Sarmatians. Sarmatians and Sogdians are the ones who cucked the Xiongnu. It was female-mediated Turkic ancestry in every case. Turkic haplogroups like N and O have been replaced by the ones the Sarmatians, Sogdians, Persians, and Greeks had like E, G, J, Q, R, etc.
>>17997519yeah buddy genetics is just adding vectors
>>17998843Cope. the Sakas were mongrels and literally more Asian than Turks lmao.
>>17998873Sakas (50% Asian) were already exterminated. Sarmatians (10% Asian) and Sogdians (0% Asian) were the inhabitants of Central Asia in 300 AD they met and cucked the Turkics.
>>179988419% R1b in central asia is surprising to me, I thought except for Bashkirs people in that region were all downstream of Sintashta or slavic R1a. Do you know which subclade of R1b they have?
>>17998885The Central Saka samples are from Eastern Kazakhstan. They were expanding Eastwards until they met Slab Grave bvlls who became their masters.
>>17998744They are not the same. Uzbeks and Turkmens have Iranjeet admixture.
>>17999161Also that sample is only one of many. Medieval Turks seem to have been 40-50% East Eurasian on average.
They're actually Anatolian, not Greek.
>>17998967Slab Grave bvlls who let their women be fucked by Scythians until their N and O was extinct? Seems your Turkic ancestors were literal cuckolds.
>>17999161They all have it as shown in that image. Neolithic Iranian paternal haplogroups were also present among steppe gypsies in China and Mongolia before they migrated to Central Asia and got cucked again by Sarmatians and Sogdians.>>17999179>Medieval Turks seem to have been 40-50% East Eurasian on average.What cuckolds East Asians like the Turkics have always been. Sarmatian and Sogdian men provided all of their paternal haplogroups to Turkic women while most of the autosomal ancestry remained the shitty ANA Turk Mongol Chinese, all this before they ever entered the Middle East and received another round of cucking from the Arabs, Greeks, and Persians.
>>18000689They were a small elite ruling over Scythian mongrels. The studies on Avars confirm it: >>17998750 The Scythians cucked some Asian population in Siberia but it wasn't Slab Grave. It's like the thing about Hungarians speaking Uralic without any significant Uralic DNA.
>>18000783Scythians cucked Slab Grave, but it's not relevant because the purer Sarmatians hunted down the WMAF Scythian mongrels into extinction and became the new masters of Turk Mongol Chinese. ANA was nothing more than cucks and sluts for West Eurasian men. You are descended from generations of these ANA cucks changing their paternal haplogroups from ANA to Scythian to Sarmatian to Sogdian to Persian to Greek.
Gotta remember that turks can mean two different things. It can mean the country of turkey. Or the turkic people that migrated out of north Asia and spread everywhere starting around 550bc. The turks are mostly anatolian. With some medeival turk mixed in. With some greek dna too. Plus a little easter european dna. For whatever reason. The "turks" are mostly northern Asian with some indo eurooean admixture. Of coarse as they moved around they picked up dna from the people they ruled over.
>>18001193It is true that I do european peoples fucked the slab grave cukture. But there are plenty of Asian paternal dna too. Gotta remember that steppe people back then loved to mix. Helped make the gene pool better. Proto indo europeans were a little more selfish since they liked to cuck others lol. But they got fucked pretty good as well, just later on in history.
>>18000698Not really. It depends when and where. When turkic people invaded the middle east. They razed cities to the ground. Kidnapped women and cucked the local men. That's what happens when you win wars. Loser gets his power and land and women taken away. Until the winners decided to play nice.
>>17998873The more east you went the more adiam they become. The more west you go, the more indo european they become. It really depends.
>>17998843The iranian people's aka indo european speaking people of central asia had a weird thing going on where where ever they go they tend to dominate on the paternal side of thd mixing. Don't know why but I assume it's bc they were in "charfe".
>>18001193Kazakhs exterminated Scythian trannies. The rest of the Turkics in Central Asia are assimilated Scytho-Siberians. It might not seem like the y-dna is male-mediated that way, but Uzbeks and Turkmens still have plenty of Q and N.
>>17998752Turks never had asian haplogroupsThey where aways r and j even in central asiaTurkic doesnt mean east asian
>>17998425They not greek muslims retardThey have an heavy central asian componentThey are mixed race muttsAlso way more anatolian than greeks
>>17997519is there a single Türk in Turkyiv?
>>18001271>It is true that I do european peoples fucked the slab grave cukture.Even the Mongols today have haplogroups like J and R.>But there are plenty of Asian paternal dna too.There's none.>>18001280>When turkic people invaded the middle eastTurkic people didn't invade, they were slaves of Persians, and brought to the Middle East as slaves.>They razed cities to the groundWhat cities did they raze? >Kidnapped women and cucked the local men.Before this happened the Sarmatians had raped every ANA Chinese Mongol Turk woman followed by Sogdians cucking all of these WMAF mongrels. Congrats they spread Sogdian and Persian paternal lineages around the Middle East.
>>18002300Retard hasn't stopped for a moment to think why those people speak Turkic. The Turkics with R1a and J are assimilated Scytho-Siberians who were already heavily mixed with Asians. They were ruled by a small elite of Q and N men who forced their language and customs on them.>Keyser et al. 2020, pp. 1, 8–9. "[O]ur findings confirmed that the Xiongnu had a strongly admixed mitochondrial and Y-chromosome gene pools and revealed a significant western component in the Xiongnu group studied.... [W]e propose Scytho-Siberians as ancestors of the Xiongnu and Huns as their descendants... [E]ast Eurasian R1a subclades R1a1a1b2a-Z94 and R1a1a1b2a2-Z2124 were a common element of the Hun, Avar and Hungarian Conqueror elite and very likely belonged to the branch that was observed in our Xiongnu samples. Moreover, haplogroups Q1a and N1a were also major components of these nomadic groups, reinforcing the view that Huns (and thus Avars and Hungarian invaders) might derive from the Xiongnu as was proposed until the eighteenth century but strongly disputed since... Some Xiongnu paternal and maternal haplotypes could be found in the gene pool of the Huns, the Avars, as well as Mongolian and Hungarian conquerors."
>>18002342Coping mongrel retard. Scytho-Siberians did not have any J and were exterminated by the Sarmatians. These weak ANA Chinese Turk Mongols didn't force anything, but rather Sarmatians kept having sex with your women and abandoning them then the children were raised as East Asians. And that's before the Sogdians ruled the Turks and cucked you all.
>>18002347Scythians already had Q and N. These men went on to become their masters and make them abandon their inferior tranny culture in favor of superior TENGRISM. Avar elites were all Q and N.
>>17997519Can you geneticsfags fuck off? I'm tired of seeing these shitty threads.
>>18002342Indeed it seems the spawn of race-mixing are in fact inferior to both parent races.
>>18002400>Scythians already had QOf course since the Sarmatians and Scythians were the ones who introduced Q to ANA Chinese Turk Mongols.>and NN wasn't present in any Scythians. The two N outliers are slaves with 100% ANA ancestry.>inferior tranny cultureChinese Turks Mongols known for being homosexuals.>in favor of superior TENGRISMTengri is a Sarmatian. ANA Chinese Turks Mongols worshipped a Sarmatian man.>Avar elitesR1a and Q.
Not sure what these two think they're trying to achieve arguing over whether the West Eurasian steppe mongrels or East Eurasian steppe mongrels are superior, when it clearly doesn't matter to the pure races. Nords and Japanese mog both in every aspect.
>>18002444All Q is Asian and you can prove this with MENAjeets:>Q1b1 was probably not one of the original lineages of Proto-Indo-European speakers of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe since it is almost completely absent from Balto-Slavic and Germanic countries. Nevertheless, it is reasonable to assume that Q1b1 was indigenous to the Ural mountains or Central Asia and was absorbed by the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-Europeans there during the Bronze Age, either during the Sintashta or Andronovo culture, then spread with the Indo-Aryans to India, Iran and the Near East. Q1b1 probably settled in the Levant at the same time as R1a-Z93, as both lineages are found among the Jews and the Lebanese and in places historically colonised by the Phoenicians. Autosomal analyses have confirmed that all Levantine people (Jews, Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians) possess about 0.5% of Northeast Asian (Mongoloid) admixture. Since these populations lack Mongoloid mtDNA, the presence of Northeast Asian admixture can only be explained by the 2% of Q1b1 among Levantine men, the only paternal lineage of Mongoloid origin in the region.
>>18002454Steppe mongrels built the biggest empires in human history while illiterate Nords drank bowls of cum for Odin and Japanese lived in caves. West Eurasian steppe mongrels were actually more civilized than either.
>>18002470The only reason you can talk about steppe "empires" on this website is because of the sheer influence of Japanese culture, the "Mongol basket weaving board", on the other hand, is of course just a meme. Where is the Scythian "Northman" or "Skyrim"? It doesn't exist, because no one outside of Haplo forums gives a shit about them like they do with Vikings.
>>18002468>MENAjeetsANA Chinese Turkic Mongols are pajeet tier and you are genetically closer to pajeets.>Q1b1 was probably not one of the original lineages of Proto-Indo-European speakers of the Pontic-Caspian SteppeThis is a fifteen year old entry from a blog not a scientific study. >almost completely absent from Balto-Slavic and Germanic countriesCoping low IQ chink mongrel. Q is present in Balto-Slavic peoples.
>>18002485It's not related to the one found in Scythians and most of the Nordcuck Q also belongs to the Siberian branch. Theorized to have come from Mongolia along with N in the Neolithic period.
>>18002498First I want to congratulate you for accepting the fact that your subhuman people are genetically and spiritually closer to pajeets than Arabs are. Second both R and Q come from West Eurasian populations, not Mongoloids. N is dead in Turkic countries and it's the original Turkic haplogroup.
>>18002503>both R and Q come from West Eurasian populationsLearn what subclades are.>N is dead in Turkic countries and it's the original Turkic haplogroup.Not true. Tatars, Bashkirs and other Siberians Turkics have plenty of it. It's a reason to believe in the Ural-Altaic theory by the way. N is somewhat uncommon in Central Asia in comparison, who instead are represented by Q, C and O.
>>18002532>Learn what subclades are.I've already taught you what subclades are. All of the "native" J, R, and Q subclades in East Asia are recent introductions from the Sarmatians and Sogdians, not indigenous and not from ANA.>Tatars, Bashkirs and other Siberians TurkicsBashkir and Tatar are haplogroup R majority again from Sarmatians and Sogdians cucking you. >N is somewhat uncommon in Central Asia in comparison, who instead are represented by Q, C and O.Coping mongrel. Central Asia is majority J and R1a. I'm talking about pure Turk ANA Chinese Mongols like the Kyrgyz who got raped by Tajiks. Kyrgyz have 68% haplogroup R1a1a lineage from Tajiks raping them and Kyrgyz are pure Turk ANA Chinese Mongols. Uzbeks and Turkmen were also raped. Central Asians don't have significant amounts of N or O. Central Asian Turkics (and by extension Middle Eastern Turks and Eastern European Turks) were cucked by Sogdians and raped by Tajiks
>>18002549https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-44272-6>The sub-clades of N3a4-B539 (B540 and B545) (Fig. 2) have partly overlapping distribution areas with highest frequency peaks of hg N3a4-B540/L1034 (Fig. 3e) in the Ural Mountain region. B540 is more widespread and the most frequent among different sub-populations of Bashkirs in Southern Urals (up to 60%)
>>18002577You forgot this part, mongrel cuck. It's less than 2% of Bashkirs.>Although N3a4-B540 is prevalent in Bashkirs it has a considerably lower frequency among neighbouring Tatars (3–5%). B540/L1034 sister-clade B545, however, has a much more localised distribution area – it is present with high frequencies (52%) in Volga-Ural region only among Bashkirs from Sterlibashevsky district
>>18002703https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(16)30160-4They are 17% N on average, varies by region. Volga Tatars have around 30%. Considering Bashkirs and Tatars are genetically identical to Scythians from the same region who didn't have any N it's very much male-mediated, much like the N in Uralics/Russians. It's the haplogroup of rulers and masters. Was a major Hungarian Conqueror lineage as well as Rurik's y-dna. R1a is only fit to lick their shoes.
>>18001280Not really retardThats a common misconception, it all depends on the placeSometimes the warriors just stay with the women they brought and dont care about locals, since they are a tiny minority warlike elite, they go wage war and die a lot, leaving only the women remaining alive with the local men
>>18002454Japanese are irrelevant historically
>>18002997They are 2% N on average and the bulk of the Bashkir and Tatar populations are R1a. Bashkirs and Tatars are not identical to any Scythian population, not even the WMAF mongrel Scytho-Siberians.
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>>18001291>Kazakhs exterminated Scythian tranniesKazakhs are Turks raped by Mongols. Kazakhs never exterminated anything.>The rest of the Turkics in Central Asia are assimilated Scytho-SiberiansScytho-Siberians were exterminated by the Sarmatians who replaced them. Turkics in Central Asia are mostly Xiongnu with small amounts of Sarmatian, Sogdian, and Tajik admixture that flipped their haplogroups into being predominantly >but Uzbeks and Turkmens still have plenty of Q and N.N is extinct in Central Asia. Q is only common in Turkmen and it's a Scythian lineage completely unrelated to ANA Chinese Mongol Turks. It just proves you ANA Chinese mongrels were massively raped and cucked by Sarmatians, Scythians, Sogdians, etc. Now you want to believe J, R, and Q are yours but they all come from foreign Central Asian men mixing with your women in the past several centuries.
>>18004613Keep coping R1a tranny. Most Turkics don't even have any extra ANA compared to Sakas.
>>18004623>compared to SakasAlready established that those Scytho-Siberians were exterminated by the Sarmatians centuries before the Turkics were defeated and forced to flee East Asia to Central Asia. >Most Turkics don't even have any extra ANAThe reason there's less shitty ANA ancestry is because ANA got KEKED and RAPED by Sarmatians, Sogdians, and Tajiks that made J and R the dominant haplogroups of Central Asian Turks. That provided a small amount of West Eurasian autosomal ancestry.
>>18004641>Already established my mentally ill copeThe Scython-Siberians were absorbed by Turkics during the Xiognu confederation.
>>18004647>Scython-SiberiansThey're called Scytho-Siberians, retard.>absorbed by Turkics during the Xiognu confederationAbsolutely no proof of this mentally ill chinky mongrel cope.>during the Xiognu confederation.Sarmatians had already exterminated and replaced the Scytho-Siberians. They are in completely different eras, retard.
>>18004652I have history and genetic studies on my side. You have mental illness and schizophrenia. Scytho-Siberians joined the Xiognu and the Huns: >>18002342
>>18004652I have history and genetic studies on my side. You have mental illness and chinky schizophrenia. >>18002342>[W]e propose Scytho-Siberians as ancestors of the Xiongnu You are a retard that can't even read. This says Scytho-Siberians are ancestors of Xiongnu. They didn't say "joined" like you're claiming, retard.
>>18004694...And Turkics are majority Xiognu (Saka/Scython Siberian) autosomally. Even the Sarmatians were Asian admixed. They're way more Asian than Turks from Turkey for example.
>>18004707You are comparing totally different peoples in different geographies and eras. Kazakhs have more (70%) ANA ancestry than Kazakh Sakas. Uzbeks have more (40%) ANA ancestry than Sogdians. Anatolian Turks have more (12%) ANA ancestry than Anatolian Greeks did. But in all of these cases Turkic haplogroups are nothing.
>>18004733Whatever Kazakhs are, they're pretty similar to Pazyryks and some Avar/Hungarian Conqueror samples. Supposedly it was the Slab Grave culture that originally spoke Proto-Turkic and forced it into their subjects. Hun and Avar elites are similar to Slab Grave.
