Why the Aryan invasion theory is so anathemized in India right now?
>>18000973Jeet inferiority complex plus ethbonarcisism Imagine if you bred together Brazilians and jews That's the type of hindutvadi ape that controls india's academia right now.
The Brits came and started Noticing shit. It was clear that various Persians and Turks had come in and ruled the place, and they also Noticed that old Sanskrit looked a lot like Iranian (although not quite being actual Iranian). So they figure that Indic left from the same steppe.Indians didn't like being told they were buck broken for literal millennia, especially not when the Brits then started ruling as just the latest white overlords from the west telling the poos they were poo.So now they get buttmad at the theory because feelz.
Because to an Indian beaten by his father and living in a slum, his life is like living in prison where you have to keep up the appearance of strength. It is not like in the west where someone can self-deprecate and it be seen as an honest jest. If you admit even minor errors in India it is seen as weakness, the listener thinks to themselves "I have such high social status this guy is force to admit he is stupid and weak".India's IQ is also 76, so even those exceptionally intelligent who understand the basics about linguistics and haplotypes are still midwits. They understand enough to take an interest and have a say, but they don't understand the finer details, neither do they have any respect for what the truth is. They never went through that process of realizing the truth is rarely what you want it to be.So you have all these Indians exploring the history of their religion and the Vedic Aryans pouring in from the north. They see all these western historians claiming they were part of a group who originally looked like this, but they don't understand that the Indian version of the r1a haplotype is unique to India and dated to the invasion, they don't understand the linguistic evidence, that changes within the Indian language did not leave India. They just see it as a sort of game, they see white people claiming the vedic aryans were white, so they must claim they were indian and not only this, but India is the urheimat of Indo-Europeans.
>>18000985The Brits first noted the similarity between Sanskrit and ancient Greek and Latin, because European elites at the time had classical education.
>>18000973This whole fight would be resolved in part if we had Vedic samples, and I don't think it's purely a question of cremation. The Romans practiced it, and we have samples from them. I hate to say>muh governmentbut the Pooper government really is a fervent nationalist. If you don't believe me, look at that supposed sample leaked by a user. An Indian said it was confidential and that they had to delete it. We're talking about a sample here. This Indian group was boasting that they had done a study that would "end the Aryan invasion." The study never came out. Strange
>>18000973They have a caste system where the highest caste prides themselves on having 20% European ancestry, and the lowest castes have none. It's a White supremacist society.
>>18001549>This whole fight would be resolvedThe question of the invasion is already resolved. It happened.>b-but it was a migrationSemantics, but yeah, I'm sure the weird looking foreigners were invited with open arms. They'll keep telling themselves that.Does anyone want to know how R1a became so widespread? Just look over this page carefully. The answer is right here.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/p%C3%B3tnih%E2%82%82
>>18001549I remember thatIndian geneticists were talking about reporting the guy because he was spreading confidential content. LMAO, this is the same guy. I already contacted him in 2024. He said he knows other things because he has acquaintances who work there. The guy himself is an "honest" pooper, although he sometimes tries to smear the Indians and defend them. At least he's not an ILO. And this guy, with this supposed knowledge of leaks and samples, claims that the Vedics were "Andronovo," so I think it's something to think about.
>>18001567Yes, it's strange.If these Indians want to appear impartial, they've hardly achieved anything. I had also postulated that Fedorovo was the origin of Proto-Indo-Aryan due to striking similarities in funeral rituals. plausible at the very least.I'm more curious to know where this sample was found. It's only said to be "post-Harappan," but we don't know the archaeological site. They say it's Sinaili, and the name of the sample was "Lord Arjuna.>>18001566Yes, I don't deny that. But your link wanted to prove that it was a migration mediated by men, is that it?
>>18001584*sinauli
>>18001584>Yes, I don't deny that. But your link wanted to prove that it was a migration mediated by men, is that it?It can't tell you that. It's just evidence that having multiple wives or concubines was a more common arrangement.
>>18001584Yeah related photo
>>18001592Mallory says in his books that at least the oldest IEs partially practiced polygamy, although monogamy was preferred. There was an IE deity who had dominion over the marriages and fertility of the people, Aryamán, and also, at least according to Dumézil, also had the function of assimilating women from other tribes. We don't know exactly how old this deity is, it's true, but it is present in branches of the Celtic to the Indic, so you can see PIE, the exchange and assimilation of women from the Caucasus occurred among those who would form the PIE ethnogenesis.
>>18001594DisgustingI think we will never have these samplesalthough some Steppe_MLBA sources had considerably decent P-values and were good proxies
>>18001612Not a PIE deity
>>18001925It was a PIE deity.
>>18001945No, it wasn't Anyway, show your evidence and send links to articles.
>>18001925However, it is safe to argue that it was not restricted solely to the Iranian branches, we have examples in Germanic and Celtic and possibly Armenian. Even if you assume that the substrate and contact between Celts and Germanics is the reason for this sharing, we still had no Germanic contacts until the time of the migrations and there was no contact between Gauls and Irish and Iranians.
>>18002101I'm saying that Aryamán is Iranian. Not "Yamnaya" or something, Mallory said he didn't categorically attest to this, he just reduced himself to analyzing etymologies, and if you look at the "Irish" version he is a human hero and the "Gaulish" version doesn't exist. Show me links, there is no consensus on this
>>18002107>Mallory said he didn't categorically attest to thisit was postulated in the book that it may be an archaic IE deity, there is no need to lie about what is written>and if you look at the "Irish" version he is a human heroinnovations are common, deny it. However, just as aryaman is related to the Vedic word aryah, Irish Eremon is related to aire, and both have shared qualities. We can talk about this more later, I have an appointment.
>>18002113It still doesn't prove that it's Yamnaya or CWC.>Eremonis a human in a fragmented medieval source that we know practically nothing about. Show studies and there's still no consensus on this. Aryaman is Iranian. The pagan Wikipedia that you get your nonsense from claims that it's not accepted and Eremon is not related to Aire.
>>18002116There's already a thread for this statement
>>18002121Besides being a very vague statement, it ignores the local development of societies over millennia. Iranian culture developed locally and became distinct from others since the separation of Sintashta. It is not supported by comparative mythology, and your argument that Eremon and Aire are cognates is unattested. Eremon, a *medieval* legend created by fanatics, points to a hero who is the first king of Ireland and has brothers in Spain... Amazingly, how is this We Wuzin related to Aryamán? A non-human God*, who is related to the preservation of the people through marriage?But of course, none of you care about that; your intention is not to learn, but to tell a narrative often accompanied by enigmatic models.
>>18002127and again, no evidence that it was PIEcomparative mythology is 2/3 cope apparently
>>18000985>they also Noticed that old Sanskrit looked a lot like Iranianno they noticed that sanskrit and latin had tons of cognates and were very similar grammaticallythey weren't so stupid to think languages were related because they used a similar writing system.
>>18002137PiE had iran_N, the origin of all languages where in punjab.
>>18002098Here is Mallory and Adams (1997) pic 1/2.Here is an entire paper dedicated to the Aryamán deity: https://www.academia.edu/35486756/Iarl_and_Iormun_Arya_and_Aryaman_A_Study_in_Indo_European_Comparative_MythologyHere is another paper written on the topic:https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17648715/#17661125 (start at this post and read the images referred to in the replies)>>18002127The Indo-European god was euhemerized in order for the story to survive the arrival of Christianity in Ireland. There was no other choice. Paganism became censored all over Europe.
>>18002195pic 2/2
>>18002145>origin of all languages where in punjab.SAAR get back to your esl class saar
>>18002116>>18002130>>18002130Aryaman were Associated with marriage/fecundity and pathways His name maybe survives in “Germany” itself.In the Poetic Edda, we find "iormungrund" used to describe the world—the ground of Irmin. Irmin, cognate with the Vedic Aryaman and the Gaelic Eremon.Eremon + Aryaman is certain I think. It’s Irmin that’s more speculative but seems to fit well.See picThere are many incredible similarities between these deities, and it is hypothesized that it seems plausible that the IE ethnic identity was deified and represented by a God connected with marriage.
>>18002145>saar ve vas all punjab saaaarrrrr>*head bobble*
>>18002318source:https://scispace.com/pdf/iarl-and-iormun-arya-and-aryaman-a-study-in-indo-european-2uxd3hhchj.pdfAs he proved, Mallory actually attests to this hypothesis as plausible...and Eremon is etymologically related to aire
>>18002195>The Indo-European god was euhemerized in order for the story to survive the arrival of Christianity in Ireland. There was no other choice. Paganism became censored all over Europe?
>>18002324>>18002195Sameflag Let's try again...1. The claim of being PIE has not been presented.2. Eremon is a human, a king. If you read the original story, he was a king of Ireland and his brother was Spanish. He was not a god or related to roads.
>>18002335The evidence has already been provided... including direct links to all the claims. I feel like you're acting in bad faith.Innovations are common, although Eremon still resembles the Vedic Arymana, providing wives, building paths and roads... even milking cattle. These are significant coincidences, given the lack of a common origin, in two societies without any kind of contact. Thanks to Catholic monks, we have these stories from Ireland, and there would be no reason to think they would have spread to India... in fact, Ireland, as well as India, is considered one of the places with the greatest retention of archaic PIE elements. Mallory reconstructs the deity as H4ryomen. Yes, Eremon being human would be an innovation, but it is dishonest to ignore the other parallels beyond the medicinal elements, and the involvement of a magical plant present in Germanic. You can check it out here>>18002318
>>18002350I and others have posted sources from at least three different authors postulating the same thing. You are acting in bad faith. H4eryomen Is God specifically connected to marriage and suitable spouses (racial propagation) (and pathways (expansion?). I also postulated a ****personal**** theory that the Greek deity Aristaeus could be related, not etymologically to h4ryomen, although it presents partially similar characteristics and is also related to the word aristos ("Aryan" in Greek), just as Aryamán is to aryah or Eremon to aire and erman to Germanic. There is even a possible deity, which I will try to cite the book later, where we have a possible Armenian parallel, this time, etymologically related: "armenak"
>>18002368And surprisingly, Armenak is also a hero. Which makes us wonder if H4eryomen was originally a hero and was later deified into a god. A possibility.
>>18002195>>18002368>>18002324Good informations, thank you guys for shared>>18002335Try again
>>18002376no problem
>>18002318>It’s Irmin that’s more speculativeI would like to point out that the development of Irmin is what is phonetically expected via regular sound changes. There are actually two names attested in Irish: Éremón (with various spellings) and Airem. Airem as a character is not used for the same story as Éremón. PIE *h2eri̯amón- > Airem(on)- is phonetically regular. Airem(on)- was most likely replaced by Éremón because Airem had become homophonous with airem "ploughman". Éremón is best seen as a play on words with the name of Ireland Ériu since Éremón is supposed to be the first high king of Ireland in its entirety. The semantic correspondences for Éremón are what establishes his Indo-European identity despite his name being mangled.Irmin descends from the genitive of Proto-Germanic *Erman- which is from Pre-Proto-Germanic *Ari̯aman-. The key sound change here is *Ari̯a- > *Er-.Here is an example of this sound change in the prehistory of Germanic:PIE */tósi̯o/ gen.sg > */tasi̯a/ > PGm */tes/ > Go ⟨þis⟩, OS ⟨thes⟩, OD ⟨des⟩, OHG ⟨dës⟩, ON ⟨þess⟩. Cf. PH */tói̯i̯o/ > Hom ⟨toîo⟩ |τοῖο|, Att ⟨toû⟩ |τοῦ|; PBS */tā́/ > Latv ⟨tā⟩, Lith ⟨tõ⟩
>>18000973No ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PSEUDO HISTORY "ARYAN" SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT STEPPE SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT WW2 SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT EGH WGH EEF NO ONE FUCKING CARES.Shut.THE.FUCK.UUUUUUP.
>>18002380What else do we know about this deity? Maybe in other branches?
No one fucking cares about your "Proto-Indo-European" BULLSHIT. It's all retarded fiction. We all know the Bible tells us everything about this specific topic. It tells us about Edom, Canaan, Seth, etc.
>>18000973>Why the Aryan invasion theory is so anathemized in India right now?the truth makes them feel bad about themselves so they would rather lie about it.
If you wanna talk about fiction, >>>/lit/ is over there.
>>18002386As far as I know, I think that could be all. There is always the possibility of something new being discovered by looking at untranslated books, such as in Prussian, where we have non-marginal amounts of untranslated pagan works. However, I cited the supposed Armenian, Aramaneak/Armenak is related to the Indian theonym Aryaman, influenced by the name Aram. Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338291534_Armenian_ethnonyms_in_the_light_of_the_ethnogonic_tradition_data
>>18002392You're not even a ChristianPlease, stop annoying people
>>18002412I'm not "annoying" anyone, kiddo. And I am Christian.Why don't you go fuck yourself, troll? I'm doing this FUCKING BOARD A FAVOR.
>>18002412>annoyingYOU'RE THE ONE FUCKING ANNOYING ANYONE. YOU STUPID FUCKING HUCOW SOFT HAND FAGGOT. YOU NEED TOGOTHEFCKBACKTOREEEEDDDIIIIIIIIIIITTTT!!!!https://reddit.comGO. GO LIL DOG. GO LIL PUP.
>>18002412The LARPagan thinks it deserves an opinion. You're the one being fucking annoying. Christ is King and I'd gladly convert you by force if I have to.
>>18002412>Please, stop annoying peopleShut the FUCK up you LARPagan newfaggot cancer. You FUCKING STUPID GENETICFAG RETARDS AND CONDESCENDING CHRIST HATERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEING ANNOYING.WHY DON'T YOU START FUCKING DWARFMAXXING. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND START DWARFMAXXING! BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE 5'4. WANNA KNOW HOW I KNOW? PAGANS ARE SHORT AND SKINNYFAT/OBESE NO EXCEPTIONS THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PAGANS IN THE FIRST PLACE
>>18002368In the literature, sometimes you will see spellings with an alleged *h4 laryngeal. This was an idea that was briefly encouraged when it was noticed some Anatolian words show no consonant reflex of a laryngeal where it is otherwise expected. Since then it was pointed out by Kloekhorst that laryngeals are regularly lost before *o in Hittite. Such a phenomenon is also witnessed in Armenian where word initial h- would otherwise be expected as a reflex of the laryngeal.There is therefore no evidence of a fourth laryngeal consonant. Wherever you see *h4 while reading, you can safely replace it with *h2.
>>18002423Shut the FUCK UP.>>18002412No one gives a shit about what you have to say. I'm not "annoying" anyone, GO BACK TO YOUR FUCKING SAFE SPACE.
how did you make him this mad lmao
>>18002382Well, if it wasn't clear in my post, I'm not necessarily denying that a parallel to arymana existed among the Germanic peoples. In fact, we even have a possible parallel in ON. My problem is necessarily with the translation of this word, not with its development (although the root is h2ér). I know of articles that say that Irmin means "great.", But that doesn't seem to be the case.
>>18002416>>18002418>>18002420>low-quality post>insult>ruining the threadI'm not a pagan, and as I said, you're not a Christian, you're just a brainless person who can disrupt any discussion to makerelated photo, for everyone to know
>>18002429>I know of articles that say that Irmin means "great.",Bengtson's paper dispels that notion. The "great" interpretation was invented by scholars who didn't know what they were looking at.If you read Bengtson's paper and the paper on desuarchive carefully, you should be able to grasp that Irmin is necessarily1. A noun and deity2. A frozen genitiveThis is incompatible with an adjective meaning "great".
>>18002439Additionally, there is a cognate phrase that helps secure the identification of Irmin:PIE */h2eri̯o-món- h2réh1dʰos/-> PII */Hari̯ā-mā́ ráHdhas/ > Skt ⟨Aryama-rādha-⟩-> PGm */Erminiz-rēdaz/ > OHG ⟨Irmin-rat⟩(Bengtson, 2016, p. 33, 51).
>>18002423yes, I am aware that laryngeal h4 fell into disuse and was suppressed by h2, I just quoted exactly what Mallory postulated in his text for the context of the discussion with the other anon>>18002439>Bengtson'sI not only read it, but I even quoted it>>18002324>>18002318>The "great" interpretation was invented by scholars who didn't know what they were looking at.That's exactly why, although the genitive explanation is plausible, I don't believe it has been much falsified by other authors. Irminsul, for example, is considered a "great pillar," at least that's what d'Alviella postulates. In short, I always try to rely on several different authors to get closer to a consensus. I believe that genitive case markers for words are the problem
>>18002452>>18002450>Germanic trying to ssteal even Indian Aryaman KEKWe wuzin show to us your indra, snow larp
>>180024551) i m not German 2) as i proved, Aryaman is actually a PIE god/heroYou can see the sources above3) indra has an Indo-European etymology and presents characteristics similar to other common Indo-European thunder gods, see Witzel, as you are a person of bad faith who did not bother to read anything in my posts, I cannot help you with that.
>>18001614Which sources?
>>18002452>I believe that genitive case markers for words are the problemDo you mean it is a problem for the "great" interpretation or for your understanding of the word?
>>18002458Fedorovo/shoendykol (mainly due the archaeological evidence), i.e. both did funeral rites far from settlement(on river banks), resonating with the Vedic view of tieing rivers to the journey of the soul & waters as passage toAnd the culture tazabagyab seems plausible to be the proto-aryans/proto-vedic, which we have some samples from Tajikistan who could be somehow related, see the dashtikozy.No confirmed samples of Vedic era Indo-Aryans as of yet. These samples from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan that may be ancestral to Vedic Aryans had a minor amount of Indus Valley ancestry from more Iranian-like IVC people, but no ancestry from Iranian natives or BMAC.>>18002461I don't understand your question
>>18002482Just clarify what you mean when you said this:>I believe that genitive case markers for words are the problemDo you need help understanding why I said it is a genitive?Do you disagree with that claim?
>>18002384>No ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PSEUDO HISTORY "ARYAN" SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT STEPPE SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT WW2 SHIT. NO ONE CARES ABOUT EGH WGH EEF NO ONE FUCKING CARES. Shut. THE. FUCK. UUUUUUP You. Are. BROOOWN! Lmao
>>18002487Are you so annoying that you're already picking a fight with the anon who agrees with you? No wonder your girlfriend left you, arrogant larp
Indigenous Aryan theories are more appealing, because they reinforce India as the ur-homeland.
>>18002482
>>18002487I don't disagree, my point is different.
>>18001614>I think we will never have these samplesIf someone were to say>The Indian government/academia is hiding the high steppe samplesIt would be totally plausible at this point. It's not even a tinfoil conspiracy. Their behavior is just that suspicious.But do you know how this issue can be avoided? If someone were to court Pakistan's government and universities, they could EASILY get access to rare genetic samples on Pakistani soil by saying the magic words:>How would you like to humiliate Indians with a bit of archaeology and genetics?That's the way to do it. Just stop working with Indians. Go around them.
>>18002501>wypipo aren't indigenousI see jeets are adopting critical race theory, you have minds like negros with your negrito ancestry
>>18000973Jeets don't like to acknowledge the fact that the creators of the Vedas were genetically closer to Europeans than any modern Indian.
There are Indian nationalists that think the aryans originated in India and from there they spread all over. All evidense, and I do mean all of it points to that being false. It seems like these "aryans" originated from the steppe in and around ukriane. Form there they spread everywhere. Sooooooo too bad indians, get over it.
>>18002531Unfortunately, it's true. I don't know if you're familiar with this sample in question, but it's a sample with 81% Sintashta and probably from a site called Sinauli in northern India, where there are swords, antennas, and even a "chariot" pulled by oxen. Indian geneticists literally tried to expose the guy who leaked it. Research this site.>If someone were to court Pakistan's government and universities, they could EASILY get access to rare genetic samples on Pakistani soil by saying the magic wordHoly shit, I hadn't thought of that. It could work, honestly. I don't know if Pakistan is that much of a wimp, but I think what could be done would basically be for archaeologists to talk to the Pakistani court about how sensitive the Indian government is about ancient groups, trying to be as "soft" as possible, but making it clear that this would affect them psychologically. I think a direct approach would be>Le very racist
I see you want to talk about something tengentially related to PIE. Would you like your thread to be infested with haplo-autism, Sisyphean debates over the etymological descent of "arya", or endless shitflinging over which prehistoric ethnicity counts as "white" or "abbo"?
>>18003360This. Threads like this are just well-worded bait that pose an ultimately complex question in a simple, case closed manner. Did the Indians really dislike the aryan invasion theory? I’ve seen their history textbooks, and as early as grade six they learn about the theory and it is presented alongside natural calamity/pandemics as one of the plausible theories as to how the Indus Valley civilization collapsed. But as usual, if it’s about the “jeets” it’s time to make bs crap. For all their supposed intellect, /his/ anons can’t recognize bait and fell hook, line and sinker
>>18003430>Did the Indians really dislike the aryan invasion theory?Yeah, they do and they are actively freaking out about it. The picture in the OP alone is to a great extent responsible for polarizing Indians against ancient history. Imagine if a single picture you made caused so much seething it started a political movement. Believe it or not you have to attribute most of the recent reactions to that picture because it conveys everything in one instant and otherwise nobody would read about this subject.
>>18003360Cope :)
>>18003430Indians sperging about aryan invasion theory is a relatively recent phenomenon, tied to the general Hindutva ideology of their government. It's state-sponsored we wuzzing essentially, academics like David Reich have talked about the situationhttps://www.southasiainvestor.com/2021/02/harvard-scientist-debunk-hindu.html
>>18003560Cool, but heyShow to us any "Aryan vedic" sampleYes, you can't:) were wuz vedic
>>18000973Because the race science theories of tve 19th century and early 20th century have largely been proven to be correct.
>>18003570If you can look at all the genetic, archeological, linguistic evidence and still think indo-aryans were native to India you must be on giga cope mode
Distance to: Chelyabinsk_MLBA_Sintashta_(contaminated)_(n=1)0.06168867 Frisian_Netherlands_o2_(n=2)0.06530751 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_(n=1)0.06842580 Frisian_Netherlands_(n=10)0.06870688 Swedish_(n=113)0.06889626 Dutch_Groningen_(n=2)0.06943661 Finnish_Central_(n=10)0.07028354 Finnish_Southwest_(n=8)0.07086048 Mordvin_Erzya_(n=12)0.07094548 Mordvin_Moksha_(n=10)0.07103290 Scottish_Argyll_and_Bute_(n=1)0.07152766 German_Mecklenburg_(n=5)0.07175070 Norwegian_(n=37)0.07206800 Norwegian_Bergen_(n=8)0.07234684 Russian_Yaroslavl_(n=19)0.07237617 Finnish_(n=50)0.07248232 Russian_Kostroma_(n=6)0.07250523 Russian_Ryazan_(n=12)0.07261527 German_East_(n=14)0.07264424 Icelandic_(n=12)0.07266142 Mordvin_(n=29)0.07277292 German_North_Rhine-Westphalia_(n=1)0.07298517 Karelian_Tver_(n=11)0.07310658 Russian_Kursk_(n=8)0.07365505 Russian_Tver_(n=9)0.07378219 Russian_Novgorod_(n=15)why NW europeans the closest distance to sintashta samples if they have lower yamnaya than NE europeans
>>18000973The prefer Aryans being migrants instead of invaders.
>>18003560Finally, someone with a brain who’s not just repeating /pol/ shitposts. Hindutva crap is bringing down the country, and even though Muslims, Christians, most non-Hindu Indic religious and a few Hindus denounce Hindutva, it’s a poisonous ideology that leads to beliefs like the one posted by OP. The answer to OP’s question is Hindutva and the current Indian government, not whatever eugenics bs we see in this thread
>>18003683It was the same thing for most of history. I think migration suits the term better because "invasion" implies territorial violation of some kind, that there is a nation with clearly defined borders. The mass migration of Germans and Slavs into Rome is considered an "invasion" because Rome was an empire with clearly demarcated borders, and an expectation that anyone who entered those borders would obey Roman law, so there was something to violate by crossing the border.
>>18002318Philo the Phoenician History of Philo>and the other Agrueros or Agrotes; and of the latter there is in Phoenicia a much venerated statue, and a shrine drawn by yokes of oxen; and among the >people of Byblos he is named pre-eminently the greatest of the gods.'These two devised the addition to houses of courts, and enclosures, and caves. From them came husbandmen and huntsmen. They are also called Aletae and Titans.>Blavatsky considered Agrueros to be the equivalent of SaturnThese guys are connected with farmers and aryan In Latin, farme = agrarian(agr + ariy), in Slavic languages it’s the same, farmer = agr++ ariy Agrueros agr + eros(aryan/ariy) = agrariy, Aryan, farmer
>>18003837>Agrarius latin (agrarian) land.predial>Agrueros
>>18001555>It's a White supremacist society.Wasn't supremacist enough I'm afraid.
>>18002384t. Butt blasted pajeet
>>18002318Bump
>>18002318>Eremon>Mount Hermonwith which the fallen angels, the Anunnaki in Sumero-Akkadian mythology, were associated, the Phoenicians considered the mountains in Lebanon to be divineBut what confuses me most is DONTuatha de Danann (Children of Danu). Don/Dan/Dunen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danava_(Hinduism)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_(Irish_goddess)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_(Hinduism)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_Dé_DanannPerhaps the Danavas are the same as the Tuatha de Danann (most likely they are)Sumerian en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasty_of_Dunnum(How is this possible? What are these ubiquitous Danu?)The Greeks called themselves DanaansThe Scythians were also associated with thisjorDAN Riverand they are connected with SiddhaWhen I read about siddha/siddha, the Irish siddhis came to mind, but when I read that it was also connected to a mythical place, I realized it was definitely connected.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shambhala>In Hindu theology, Siddhashram is a secret land deep in the Himalayas, home to great yogis, sadhus, and sages, the siddhas. This concept is analogous to the Tibetan mystical land of Shambhala.>Siddhashram is mentioned in many Indian epics and Puranas, including the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Valmiki's Ramayana states that Vishwamitra lived in Siddhashram, the former abode of Vishnu, when he appeared as the avatar of Vamana. He takes Rama and Lakshmana to Siddhashrama to destroy the rakshasas who are interfering with his religious sacrifices.They were also associated with the Sidhe (later completely merged with them), in a certain space. This is both space and superpowers. They also possessed a kind of concealing magical fog, and were later identified with fairies and elves. In Irish myth, it was written that the Children of Danu came across the sky in fog and plunged the country into darkness for three days and three nights.
>>18004234https://atlanticreligion.com/2015/10/11/parallels-in-indo-european-religion-sidhe-and-siddha/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aos_Sí>A sidhe (anglicized "shee") is a burial mound (burial mounds) associated with the Aos Sí. In Modern Irish, the word is sí (plural síthe); in Scottish Gaelic, it is sith (plural sithean); in Old Irish, it is síd (plural ). These sidhe are called "fairy mounds," "elf-barrows," or "hollow hills" in English.>The name "Aos Sí" means "people of the sí"; these are the mounds they are said to inhabit and are believed to be portals to the Otherworld. Such abodes are called "shees," "fairy mounds," "elf-barrows," or "hollow hills" in English. The Aos Sí interact with humans and the human world. They are called ancestors, nature spirits, goddesses, and gods.>In modern Irish, they are also called daoine sí; in Scottish Gaelic, daoine sith ("people of the fairy mounds").>In Irish, the word aos sí, formerly aes sídhe, means "people of the fairy mounds." In Old Irish, it was áes síde. The word sí or sídh in Irish means a fairy mound or ancient burial mound, which were believed to be portals to the Otherworld. It comes from Proto-Celtic *sīdos ("abode") and is related to the English words "seat" (place) and "settle" (to settle).David Fitzgerald suggested that the word "sid" is synonymous with "immortal" and is compared to words such as "sidsat" ("they wait/remain"), "sitbeo" ("eternal"), "sidbuan" ("eternal"), and "sidbe" ("long life"). Most tales of the si imply long life.I don't know if this can be explained simply by the story that these were supposedly ordinary people. I'm not sure, I don't know...It's all strange.
>>18000985You're fucking retarded lmao.Sanskrit is an old Iranian language.
There are some similarities between the legends of Rostam and those pertaining to the great Irish hero Cú Chulainn. They both defeat a ferocious beast as a young man, slay their sons in combat ("Rostam and Sohrab", a motif also found in the Hildebrandslied), are virtually invincible in combat, and are murdered by treachery while killing their murderer on their last breath.Two Persian heroes, Rostam and Esfandiyār, share stories with the Labours of Hercules.
Incidentally, the Iranians were the source of the devas' being called devils.Look at how the Gypsies call God; it's related. Perhaps they added EL (the neutral name for God) to Deva.There's also a play on the words deva + bala (vala), which is related to hair. In Slavic languages, volos = hair. In Sanskrit, baal/bala/vaal/vala is related to hair and strength. It's noteworthy that it's exactly the same in Japanese. Kami is a deity and is associated with hair, while okami is a wolf.devalos. The Iranians said the devas were hairy.Zoroastrian called Indra-Hercules-Thor and Rudra-Odin-Apollo demons, as well as the Ashvins (Dioscuri, possibly the Islamic Harut and Marut).Azi Zahhak = Azi Dahhak, where azzi is a snake, dahak = dahau (wolf), Dacian dragons. Dasa in the Vedas.
https://archive.org/details/396241694-kris-kershaw-the-one-eyed-god-odin-and-the-indo-germanic_202111The dye Civilis used was almost certainly minnium, red lead, whichgives a red-gold; Martial mentions its popularity among Roman matronsin two poems, in one of which he cans the color "spuma Batava," in theother "Chattica spuma" (Hofler, SakralktJnigtum 204). (The Batavi wereoriginally a tribe of the Chatti, Germania 29). The Alamannen kingCnodomarius wore a flaming red hair-knot (Ammianus Marcellinus, RGXVI.12.24). Sucellus, the Gaulish "Hammergott", is surrounded by"Feuerzeichen" and has an alter-ego Rudiobus; red is a symbol ofstrength, because "red is the color of vigorous youth." "Die rote FarbeJupiters und seines Abbildes, des Triumphators, war als Zeicben bluhender Lebenskraft gemeint." Thomas Koves-Zulauf, "Helico, Fuhrer dergallischen Wanderung." Laiomus 36 (1977) 71f and 74 N 179. Thor andIndra, Hammer-gods of Germania and India, have flaming red hair. TheSlavic god Svantovit, a Minnerbund-god, "is surrounded by red ... Red isthe color of war among the Inda-Europeans." Bernard Sergent,"Svantovit et l'Apollon d'Amyklai." RHR 211 (1994) 34. Red "kommt... gerade im Totenkult sebr haufig vor ... " I'm almost certain that the murder of Osiris by Set is connected to the clash of peoplesThey were called brothers.In the Vedas, Indra kills Krishna, who is once called his brother.https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc837168.htmlmore precisely, Tvastr is called Indra's father once, although his father is also DyausIn the Vedas, he clashes with Tvashtr, kills Krishna-Vishvarupa-Trishras, and after his death, Vritra appears.(The myth is similar to the Ugaritic cycle about Baal, Yam, Mot/Melkart, and Typhion, by the way, as well as Osiris and Seth.)There's a theory that the original Krishnahttps://www.forwardpress.in/2014/08/asura-krishna-and-yadavs-brahmanised/
