can the muslim conquests be counted as an example of a great nomadic conquest a là the mongols, seljuqs, etc? because the arabs were pretty nomadic before mohammad.
>>18001396Not all Arabs were nomads. Arabs weren’t oga bogas like the Seljuks and mongols, they actually had a culture and written history other than roaming around the steppes. The Arabs built garrison cities like kairouan in North Africa or al manura in Pakistan, neither the mongols or Seljuks did that. The Arabs influenced or outright arabized the people and lands they conquered, the Seljuks adopted Persian. The Arab empire lasted around 230 years while both the mongol and Seljuk empires split apart after less than 60 years and fell after around 160 years overall. With the exception of the Seljuk of rum.By the way, the actual map is bigger
>>18001914>Not all Arabs were nomads.But the best ones are.
I’d wager on the eve of Islam there were far more settled than nomadic arabs, and a lot of “nomads” were itinerant caravaners rather than pure herding nomads like Turco-mongolsRemember there were always cities in Arabia and especially around the Hejaz and Saba, the latter of which had huge reservoirs and irrigation systems for farming
>>18001914>Arabs weren’t oga bogas like the Seljuks and mongols,They absolutely fucking were>Arabs built garrison citiesWhoa, garrisoning troops, bravo >The Arabs influenced or outright arabized the people and lands they conqueredThat's all on the retarded religion muhamad made up, not because arabs were equally as, or more sophisticated than say egyptians or syrians>Arab empire lasted around 230 years By the end of that period it was just a rump state with some territory in iraq. Its apex lasted for 40-50 years just like with mongols, so you're just being dishonest. Not surprising.
>>18002095Arabs were very high on poetry, honour and virtue. Their main con was tribalism in culture. Sure, they weren't as "sophisticated" as the Syrians/Byzantines. But calling them "ooga-boogas" just shows you've never picked up a book on Arab history.
>>18001396No, since I'm pretty sure it was led by the wealthy sedentary civilized partially hellenized trader arabs from the oasis towns, not stinky bedouins in tents
>>18002346That's no different from Turks being led by their wealthy Persianized trader turks like the Ghaznavids and Seljuks, not their stinky chinky Turkic Mongol population in tents.
>>18002356Not to mention the Ottomans who built THE Turkic empire not only being Persianized but also having Iranic paternal haplogroup. And Arabized ones like the Egyptian Mamluks.
>>18002095>They absolutely fucking wereOther than the pre Islamic Arab kingdoms that left a rich legacy behind. Arabs documented the tales of their wars, knights, wisemen etc via stories and poetry. On the other hand the only Turks and mongols we know before their purple patch we’re only khans and half of the time their history is so poorly written we don’t know when they were born or died.>Whoa, garrisoning troops, bravoThese cities were the seed of the “Islamic golden age” one of these cities, kids, birthed jabir ibn hayyan and al kindi.>By the end of that period it was just a rump stateI specifically said 230 years because that was before it turned into a rump state. In 632 the rashidun caliphate was established and in 861 the last real great Abbasid caliph, al mutwakkil was assassinated. Then the Abbasid caliphate split up.>Its apex lasted for 40-50I don’t know if you’re rage baiting or didn’t get what I said. By the Arab caliphate I meant the rashidun and Umayyad caliphates and the first 111 years of the Abbasid rule when the caliphate ruled most of the Islamic world and the caliph wasn’t a joke.
>>18002359>Iranicno such word exists. That's Iranian.Turkish/Turkic classification makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand.>B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the IranicsThey have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.Sogdians, Khwarazmians, and Scythians are all Iranians.
>>18003198*al kufa
>>18002095We have records of organized arab kingdoms since 900bc and literacy has existed in arabia since 3000bc. you’re just assblasted, ali.
>>18003198>Arabs documented the tales of their wars, knights, wisemen etc via stories and poetryIt's just random shitty folk tales that every fucking culture to ever exist has had, and you are trying to sell it as some breathtaking achievment>These cities were the seed of the “Islamic golden age” No, the wealth and knowledge arabs found/stolen from persian and greek cities they conquered was the seed for their golden age. Pisslamic scholars added very, very little to what arabs found in Greek libraries, and those who did add anything were mostly Persian, like Al-Khwarizmi, not arabic. Garrison cities grew and turned into metropolies because caliphs pumped them with looted gold, but their growth amounted to nothing from civilizational perspective. Just a giant slum surrounding the military quarters with big mosque in the middle.It is a fact that arabs were unable to improve the areas they took over in any meaningful way. It's a testment of their inferiority compared to pre-existing cultures in the region.>I specifically said 230 years because that was before it turned into a rump stateMight as well pretend Timurid Empire is the same thing as the Mongol Empire established by Genghis with this logic
Arab elites themselves became urbanized quickly. Within two generations, the conquering tribes settled into garrison towns like Kufa, Basra, Fustat, and didn’t remain nomadic overlords. By contrast, Seljuqs often maintained a pastoral identity longer.
>>18001396The map for Iberia is false. 90% of the map remained christian. The muslims just took a few major cities and just the centres of the city. And not by conquest but because some traitors opened the gates for them. Also they arrived in Iberia invited by a faction of the visigoths during the civil war.
>>18001396>the fall in temperatures led to the Arabian Peninsula experiencing a dramatic increase in fertility.[12] The boost of food supply contributed to the Arab expansion beyond the peninsula in the Islamic conquests. They were urbanized and it's the main reason they were able to levy such a massive force for their small population. They also were suffering from climate change in the area that originally made the population explode, was now starving as it swung back the other direction
>>18003846>We have records of organized arab kingdoms since 900bcThe first mention of an Arabic ruler comes from the reign of Sennacherib so you're about 250 years off.>and literacy has existed in arabia since 3000bcWhere?
You kids are extra dumb todayMuhammad wasn't a goat-herding camel jockey, he was a merchant who lived in a city on a trade route. The nomad Arabs are called Bedouin and they had been living alongside settled, city-dwelling Arabs since the dawn of time.Early caliphate armies were run of the mill Eastern Med armies - infantry, archers, cavalry. Big mobs of guys with spears up front, guys shooting arrows behind that.They had more horses and camels and goats and shit than western armies but holy shit they weren't sieging and sacking Persian cities by riding around them in a big circle.
>>18001396If you know anything about early islamic history, you know most of the important figures came from a few urban centres, eg. Mecca, Medina, Taif. These cities weren't as shiny or large as Roman/Persian cities, but they were cities nonetheless
>>18004922Still crazy that Arab light cav was able to defeat the Persian heavy cataphracts and horse archers despite the Persians outnumbering them always especially in cav, I dont think that was ever repeated afaik in a similar amount of cav disparity, even outnumbered Mongols always had more horses than the settled cunts they defeated
>>18003198Not every Arab was a kang. Most of them were nomads.
>>18004941>1000bc>1600 years before IslamThat's like using a pic of bronze age Germany when talking about the Holy Roman empire
>>18004945Here's a better one too
>>18004937It wasn't a video game shit for brains jesus christwhat the fuck is "a similar amount of cav disparity"The things you think about are retarded
>>18003981Mongols built Beijing to have a capital closer to the mother country, and lived in yurts even as Chinese nobility, desperately hoping to not be Sinified and "effeminized" by Chinese culture. See how that worked out for them.YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED
>>18004985Seething
