I'm trying to think of an ideal scenario for how the Ottoman Empire could have stabilized and survived to this day but I'm unable to. It just seems like its collapse was totally inevitable and happened exactly how it was meant to.
Turkey is the same as the Ottoman Empire: a brown, Islamic shithole.
>>18001901they fell because they were pagan heretics
>>18001901Become Orthodox
>>18001915Im sure there was a time in history where women in Vienna where secretly fantasizing about being invaded by BOC
>>18001901What could they even do after losing the Balkans? That's where all their top cities were and where all their elites were from including Ataturk. When it gets the point where you have to make Anatolian peasants into the new governing body of the empire there's not even a point to having an empire and that's exactly why it became an Anatolian republic. Getting anal raped in the Balkan Wars was the real death of the empire and WW1 was just the epilogue.
>>18002043The main obstacle that I see is that even if you think of some picture-perfect way that they could have industrialized and recovered their military might, the main issue is that of identity. Nobody wanted to be an Ottoman. There's basically no conceivable scenario where all of the ethnicities of the empire decide they want to remain part of it and identify as Ottomans. There's no world where Balkaniggers wouldn't chimp out and Arab tribal leaders wouldn't side with the West just to get their region permanently doomed, even if the empire became a strong industrial state before all the revolts happened.
>>18001901They were very similar to pre-revolutionary France, only that they also centralized the right to land ownership, I understand. So everybody rich enough to rent enough land maintain a business long enough for it to generate a return on investment automatically transformed into some kind of warlord. The closest thing they had to a bourgeois was the Greek ethnic minority, which didn't feel much loyalty to the state and their working class insisted on very short working days.
>>18001901>Second Balkan War ends and Enver Pasha climbs the ranks as in our timeline >he carries out his modernisation of the Ottoman army, promoting young officers like Mustafa Kemal and Ismet Inonu>however, in this new timeline, Enver Pasha dies suddenly and in mysterious circumstances on the day Franz Ferdinand is assassinated >he is replaced by a pro-Entente pasha who develops a close relationship with Admiral Limpus and the British naval mission>this pro-Entente pasha gets Talaat + Djemal Pasha to pursue a policy of neutrality >a deal is struck with the Entente whereby Ottoman territorial integrity is protected in exchange for a guarantee of open passage through the Straits >eventually the Ottomans join on the side of the Entente in 1916>Constantinople rapidly develops industrially as it profits off supplying materiel to the Entente + with help from the British/French>when the Russian Civil War breaks out, the Ottomans are able to snipe the territories in the East they had previously lost to Russia (Kars, Ardahan, etc.) + Batum, modern day Armenia, modern day Azerbaijan>this results in Cyprus being returned to the Ottomans under the Convention of Cyprus (1878)>despite these gains, the Ottoman Empire is still creaking under the strain of being a poorly developed, largely agrarian empire with significant ethnic tensions>Soviet agents, seeking to exploit this, ideologically convert ambitious young officers in the Ottoman Army like Mustafa Kemal and Ismet Inonu to communism>a young officers' coup led by Mustafa Kemal succeeds and the Ottoman Empire becomes the Union of Soviet Socialist Vilayets (USSV) overnight1/3
>>18002243>the USSV develops a state ideology it calls Marxist-Kemalism>Western powers, exhausted from WW1 and the Russian Civil War, let the Marxist-Kemalist revolution play out>the USSV is closely allied to the USSR, who sees it as a sister communist state and so does not attempt to regain territories lost in 1917>the USSV pursues a radical industrialisation strategy, cracks down heavily on religion, promotes radical equality on racial/religious/gender grounds, smashes the overwhelmingly non-Turkish merchant class and seizes their assets, successfully reforms Ottoman Turkish into a Greco-Turco-Kurdo-Armenian-Arabic Esperanto that is adopted wholesale by the citizenry, enacts clothing reforms, etc.>develops considerable industrial capacity through the 20s and 30s as a result of Chairman Kemal's ambitious 5-year-plans>Chairman Inonu takes over after Chairman Kemal's death in 1938>declares war on Nazi Germany in response to the attack on the USSR but does little beyond supplying materiel to the Soviets in the early stages >eventually ends up facing an Italo-Nazi-Bulgaro-Romanian invasion of Eastern Thrace>the invasion gets bogged down in Constantinople in a Stalingrad-esque meatgrinder>USSV forces invade Iran in conjunction with the British and Russians in 1941, occupying the Azeri and Kurdish-speaking north/east>survives the Siege of Constantinople and pushes the invading forces back>ends up "liberating" all of Greece and southeast Bulgaria>is allowed to add these territories to the USSV plus the territories occupied in Iran at the end of the war by the British and Americans, who seek to draw the USSV to their side in the Cold War2/3
>>18002244>Chairman Inonu plays the Soviets and the Western powers off against each other for some time before softening certain economic aspects of the revolution in exchange for Marshall Plan money>the USSV remains a one-party socialist state until the late 1970s, when Chairman Ecevit is elected and introduces liberal reforms>the USSV renames itself the United Vilayets and joins NATO and the EU>due to control of enormous oil and gas reserves combined with a strong social state, citizens of the United Vilayets enjoy Scandinavia-tier human development and education while being largely irreligious>no Islamist terrorism, no mass migration into Europe>United Vilayetans read alt history threads on 4chan about the Ottoman Empire shattering because they entered WW1 on the side of the Germans and the whole region being mired in shit for the next 100 years+ and laugh from their luxury apartments at the absurdity of the proposition3/3
>>18002243>Soviet agents, seeking to exploit this, ideologically convert ambitious young officers in the Ottoman Army like Mustafa Kemal and Ismet Inonu to communism>a young officers' coup led by Mustafa Kemal succeeds and the Ottoman Empire becomes the Union of Soviet Socialist Vilayets (USSV) overnightAaaaand you lost me
>>18001901I wonder what would've happened if Abdulhamid II's libtard Freemason brother didn't have a mental breakdown and continued being the Sultan as originally intended. Instead they got 30 years of absolute monarchy
>>18002556Kinda insane how much of a 1:1 parallel Abdulhamid II is with Erdogan
>>18002247Capeshit
