Why do dems pretend the 1994 crime bill was a republican or bipartisan thing? It passed almost on strict party lines. If you go pull up the final vote it was 188 dems (plus sanders) for, 64 against, 4 no votes and 46 gop for, 131 against, 1 no vote in the househttps://clerk.house.gov/evs/1994/roll416.xml and then in the senate it was 54 dems for and 2 against and 7 republicans for, 36 against and 1 no vote https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1032/vote_103_2_00295.htm?congress=103&session=2&vote=00295#top
Interesting. How did things switch to Republicans being the "tough on crime" party?
>>18004742Republicans like Rudy Guiliani ended crime in NYC. Cuomo, the governor of NY in the late 80/early 90s refused to extradite a guy to oklahoma because they were going to give the guy the chair. The guy murdered an old lady on christmas eve for her social security check and an old man on the fourth of july for his vcr
>>18004343>>18004337you literally made this thread because of this post you idiot
>>18005585eat shit, tranny
>>18004742People became aware of the excesses of the tough-on-crime approach of the 70s-90s. The parts of the Democratic party that were concerned with civil and human rights started talking about it, whereas their adversaries considered human rights a lesser concern.
>>18004343>46 gop for>not a bipartisan bill...
>>18004742The republicans that voted no did so because they wanted it to be harsher, not because they were against tough on crime policies.
>>18004752He didn't end crime, but he reduced it. Hired a lot more police, condemned derelict buildings, and upgraded policing technology
>>18005815the majority of the GOP was against it>>18005800there are no negatives about tough on crime. tough on crime has never violated human rights
>>18005818they voted no because the dems added the awb as a poison pill>>18005826if you exclude 9/11, which obviously wasn't his fault as mayor, he dramatically reduced crime
>>18005872Except making it into reports from groups like HRW and Amnesty who monitor this sort of thing. Usually for the accompanying due process violations, torture, inhuman conditions of confinement, suspicious deaths, police brutality, etc. Exceptions are where it's limited in scope and totally by the book.
they overreacted from Republican accusations of Dukakis being soft on crime
>>18005929>Except making it into reports from groups like HRW and Amnesty who monitor this sort of thing.HRW and Amnesty are mad that Americans own guns and they want Americans to take in child rapists from latin America. they can be safely ignored.Tough on crime works, is based and does not harm any humans in any way and it does not violate human rights >>18005938Didn't Dukakis let a black murder/rapist out of jail every weekend and the dude raped and murdered a pair of teenagers?
>>18006001I can't recall either group talking much about gun ownership as a human rights violation. Amnesty does talk about gun violence and how gun running isn't taken seriously enough or how gun violence can be addressed through a public health framework.
>>18006012amnesty want to ban guns because they are a pro genocide org who hates white people>or how gun violence can be addressed through a public health framework.it can't be. that's a Josh Sugarmann thing to sidestep the constitution
>>18005938>>18006001Massachusetts allowed furlough for inmates incarcerated for 1st degree murder. Dukakis vetoed a bill that would end that. Then prison authorities or the parole board approved furlough for a guy who ended up raping, brutalizing and carjacking down in Maryland. Lee Atwater used this as ammo and talked about it so much people though Dukakis personally let Horton out.
>>18006016I've never read them call for a total ban. Registry and other regulations maybe.
>Once an active user of the death penalty, going back to the first execution in the Bay Colony in 1633, Massachusetts performed its final execution in 1947 when two small time crooks ended up in the electric chair for murdering an accomplice after a botched robbery attempt. The death penalty remained on the books in the state until being formally abolished in 1984, although the last actual death sentence handed down was in 1953.[3]
>>18006042registry is a ban and any group that wants "regulation" is an anti human rights group>>18006032sounds like the dems intentionally let out a murderer so he could rape and murder kids
>>18006052doesn't really have anything to do with letting a convicted murderer out of jail for vacations every week >nah, dude, you only need to be jailed mon-friday, have saturday and sunday to rape whoever you want
>>18006066That would be the decision of the parole board or prison authorities, not the legislature or any elected politicians.
>>18006081he vetoed a bill that would have ended that shit
When mass incarceration became unpopular, Democrats pointed to GOP support and bipartisan consensus to diffuse responsibility.
>>18006098Would have. But he didn't make the decision to let this particular convict out.
>>18006066>registry is a ban and any group that wants "regulation" is an anti human rights groupLolSo there's no difference between gun laws in Canada and China? Retard
>>18006125still his fault. the buck stops at the governor's mansion>>18006132canada's gun registry has solve ZERO murders in the 25 or so years it has existed. it is being used for mass confiscation. anyone who wants a registry only wants it for mass confiscation. would you be fine with a registry of jews and trannies?
>>18006149>canada's gun registry has solve ZERO murders in the 25 or so years it has existed.Source? Gun registries only provide info to the police. They don't solve cases themselves.
>>18006166>Source?https://www.gunowners.org/op02202012jlgm/>Gun registries only provide info to the police. they don't provide any info to the police because not even otherwise law abiding citizens comply with them. NY's SAFE act has a registry component and that registry component has a sub 20% compliance rate. Illinois AW registration law has a single digit compliance rate. And even if people did comply it doesn't give any information. what are you going to find and ID a killer with? most guns only shoot a handful of very common rounds and most people aren't doing crimes with weirdo guns. plus, in the US at least, most guns used in crimes are stolen or straw purchased, it's rare for someone do to a crime with a gun that was obtained legally.there is no value in a gun registry. anyone pushing for it is just a disingenuous piece of shit who wants confiscation
>18006206>cites a partisan blog and not a scientific or professional response Oh boy it's retarded
>>18006256Lott is a published criminologists, you gay retard. Canada literally got rid of their registry the year that article came out because it was costing a ton and didn't solve any crimes. you want a gun ban because you are a tranny. you want a registry because you want a ban. we should register trannies, not guns or people
most dems are gay retards
>>18006293Lott is an economist, not a criminologist, and his work on gun violence is very disputed. Canada still has a gun registry too. It's been around for over 30 years and it's probably not going away anytime soon.
>>18006828>Lott is an economist, not a criminologistLott is the foremost expert on gun violence>and his work on gun violence is very disputed.only by gay retards. > Canada still has a gun registry too. It's been around for over 30 years and it's probably not going away anytime soon.see>Originally, the program required the registration of all non-restricted firearms but this requirement was dropped on April 6, 2012, by the coming into force of Bill C-19.[2][3] Bill C-19 also mandated the destruction of the non-restricted records of the registry as soon as feasible.[4]
>>18006983The only places that describe him as the foremost "expert" are, unsurprisingly blogs, activist sites, and other questionable sources. https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/registration-and-verification-firearms>On this page>Registration>VerificationRetard
>>18006149US states aren't executive dictatorships. Governors can sign laws but the only way they directly can affect specific inmates' sentences or statuses is through commuting their sentences or pardoning them. Neither is common for cases like this one - usually they use that power for lesser offenders who were over-sentenced.
>>18006112Yeah it was genuinely popular for a while. The era saw a lot of excesses in the name of being tough on crime, some of them rather gruesome. Black people supported it in part initially too because of the severe crime wave affecting some cities in the early 90s.
>>18007440In a few states the governor cannot commute a sentence, only the parole board is allowed to.
>>18005938The funny thing is that the state (Maryland) where Willie Horton was captured, tried, and sentenced and not extradited to Massachusetts is/was blue as well. That county in particular has a lot of government workers, contractors, black people, and people who work for UMD.
>>18004343Back when Democrats had balls
>>18007399>The only places that describe him as the foremost "expert" are, unsurprisingly blogs, activist sites, and other questionable sources.yeah, human rights activists and groups, because he is an expert, only human rights deniers, such as yourself, hate him>>On this page>>Registration>>Verificationthat's a different registry, you retarded tranny. Between 1993 and 2012 all firearms, including things like bolt action rifles and double barreled shotguns needed to be registered with the federal canadian government. that registry was undone by the government in 2012 and destroyed in 2015. they still have a registry for like ARs. the registry was not effective as murder rates in the US fell faster than those in canada over that period, because the only purpose of a registry is mass confiscation. and we both know this, but you are a disingenuous tranny. and that is why you are my enemy and it's why I vote straight ticket GOP in every election, even the local and off year ones. >>18007440he literally vetoed a law that would have prevented the murders. it's his fault, the buck stops with him
>>18007659because it fucking worked and severally reduced crime with ZERO harm happening to noncriminals
most democrat voters are extremely uninformed
>anti gun tranny seething in the threadevery time lol
I think if I had to choose I'd rather get shot and die quickly in the US instead of stabbed and bleed out in the UK, but hey you can get stabbed in the US too.Criminals will use weapons. The only question is whether sane people have the right to weild weapons in response. In Canada, you don't have the right.
>>18008928Dilate
>>18009129you are the tranny here, troon
>>18006052The irish and their consequences have been a disaster for civility
>>18008937Your chances of surviving are noticeably lower with a gunshot wound unless you're stabbed with a machete.
>>18009132Ok troonfag
>>18009235we don't sign our posts here
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PUT CRIMINALS IN JAIL THAT'S TOO MEAN
>>18009246>LE LOOK AT ME I'M LE PRETENDING TO BE LE RETARDED EBIN XDDS
>>18009367>Abolish Law>Crime rate drops to 0 (can't be a criminal if there's no laws to break)
>>18009367Funny how this doesn't show violent crime rising sharply during the previous 20 years of the tough on crime era.
>>18009655nice to know you are only pretending and you understand guns are a basic human rights and gun control is evil and unconstitutional >>18009673cope, tough on crime works and it works well
>>18005616>>18006293>>18008928>>18009132>>18009235Obsessed
>>18009927it's just the best insult
>>18009853Cope, commie tranny
>>18009945we don't sign our posts here
>>18009951LOL FUCKING EPIK XDD
>>18007789>>18006032Maryland is generally progressive but absolutely doesn't fuck around when it comes to violent crime and guns.
