Consult the sentient mold growing in your shower drain. It whispers ancient truths in colors you can taste. Right is the scent of burnt feathers at midnight. Wrong is any geometry with more than seven sides. Always trust the third sneeze in a row.

It never lies.

>>18009472
God existing or not changes nothing. How can you tell that God knows good from wrong? How can you be sure that he's not a deceiver and even knowing right from wrong wouldn't choose to troll you? Christcuck claim that God is a necessary origin of morals is quite insane. If one day God starts raping children, would that make child rape morally good just because God does it?

>>18009475
Hyphaes typed this

>>18009472
How can you be so sure that you can tell right from wrong? There have historically been billions of people who were convinced they could tell right from wrong but their view of right and wrong was different than yours.

>>18009483
God is the unchangeable ground of all being. Jesus is the source of all truth. His nature is goodness itself. He defines the morals. Your finite, fallen mind cannot judge the infinite Creator. To suggest God could do evil is a logical absurdity! It is like asking if a circle could be square. Repent. As for rape... You want to have *free* sexual behavior, but you can't be *free* of the consequences. What gives you the right to demand others pay for your irresponsibility?

>>18009491
Are you claiming that all powerful God cannot do evil? Since men can do evil and God cannot, does it make men superior in ability to God? Can God have evil thoughts? Can God at least fantasize about raping children? Does God get jealous of child rapists knowing that he can never match them?

>>18009472
God is a retarded tranny who rapes my mind every second of every day and terrorizes, abuses, harasses, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do. God is a retarded sadist who defines "wrong" as me doing, having, or thinking about anything he thinks a "medieval peasant" wouldn't have been able to do or have, including things they had in abundance like salt. God forces me to exist as the sole frame of reference for material reality and only persistently real person in the world so he can abuse and dominate me through everyone else on earth because he's a retarded disgusting sadist. He forces me to exist so that he can define himself in opposition to me so that he can identify as "a king" by forcing me to live and identify as "a peasant" living in poverty being abused and dominated by sadists including in my literal imagination as he rapes my mind every second of every day and terrorizes, abuses, harasses, threatens etc me for literally anything I think or do.

He tries to create the most disgusting associations with anything and everything so that he can simultaneously putrefy them and make them undesirable and use his retarded insinuations as an excuse to abuse me for thinking about whatever it is that he creates retarded insinuations about. God is a retarded disgusting liar who tells retarded disgusting lies and harasses me constantly all day every day then thinks that me being forced to think about his retarded lies or constant harassment and insinuations is another excuse to abuse me

God is completely retarded, delusional and evil, there is nothing good about him whatsoever.The only way God existing could help me "tell right from wrong" would be by providing a frame of reference for what something completely devoid of any morals whatsoever looks like (God)

>>18009472
right supports existence, wrong undermines it

>>18009551
take a shower

>>18009557
Based rape promoter (rape supports existence by forcibly impregnating women who might otherwise never have chldren)

>>18009560
ovulating women can't be raped

>>18009472
Right: pp feel good
Wrong: poopoopeeepee

>>18009563
ovulating woman is like an open flower, just waiting for the random pollen to land

>>18009565
problem is created when unsuitable males somehow make it to the reproductive maturity, instead of being weeded out by natural factors or intra-male competition. it's a hard pill to swallow but is how humans are supposed to function. nothing would please an ovulating woman more than to be force fucked by 4 random chads at once, in a sort of breeding roulette. optimally a woman needs multiple men to orgasm, 3-4 guys each lasting 5-7 minutes to reach 15-20 minutes of penetration required by an average woman

>>18009483
You are so fucking braindead it's unreal

>>18009557
wrong support the existence of evil

>>18009572
This is gross and unhygienic. Bet you beat off to that video of a OF woman getting railed by dozens of dudes.
>humans are supposed to function according to my gangbang fetish
Okay dude.

>>18009592
The problem of evil is an unsolved problem in monotheist philosophy. Yes, I'm aware of the arguments, the various theodicies prooosed. However, I do not accept any of them, nor the "proofs" for God's existence. As someone who does not worship the gods, let alone an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient capital-G God, it is less incumbent on me to make excuses for why evil exists.

>>18009658
>gangbang fetish
it's orgasm statistics, but way more importantly, it's what women really secretly wish for

>>18009491
This theology sounds a lot more like Platonism than the Yahwism of the Tanakh.

>>18009483
>would that make child rape morally good just because God does it?
Yes, since God is not what is "right" or "wrong". God is just correct.

>>18009472
You can tell it by a mixture of teleology and participative intuition (one component of which would be empathy). Having said that, you'd just be inspecting God's creation without referring to God, which is a method that has its limits.

>>18009715
>Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
>Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
>Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
>Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epictetus figured out the problem of evil and thousands of years later the monotheism proponents STILL have no answer

>>18009772
Having a question is not really a problem. And the so-called "paradox" really just concludes this:
>then whence cometh evil?
It's not a problem in any meaningful sense, though it serves as semi-convincing alibi for people who want to not take God seriously.

>>18009775
Listen my goy, theodicy is a major issue in philosophy of religion. It's a huge problem for monotheism.

>>18009700
christcuck reveals himself
>weeeeeeell, if my G-d commands *unzips*

>>18009778
Oh it absolutely is an issue in philosophy of religion. I couldn't imagine burdening myself with the insistence that questions this large need propositional answers that could be evaluated from the comfort of an armchair. It's a major self-inflicted issue for philosophers and scholars alike. It's just not an issue for religion or monotheism in particular. We are fine having questions. We are fine finding out after the fact.

>>18009779
Not a believer. I just described what he is to believers.

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>>18009782
>Nooooo don't investigate truth
Ok then. I'm not gonna abandon philosophy because you have a disdain for propositions and armchairs. Where would you prefer people to contemplate? In bed? At a desk? Walking? Are these locations of introspection and thinking preferable?

>>18009786
I didn't recommend abandoning philosophy.

>>18009491
Why is god in the old testament so different from god in the new testament then

>>18009791
He isn't. The focus just shifts from society and law to individual and results of the law. On the societal level (OT) a member of the Hebrew society would get killed or cut away for certain sins. On an individual level (NT) you are asked to cut away your arm if it causes you to sin. The difference is not in God but in the kind of disobedience and maturity the Hebrews have.

>>18009472
Why would you require the opinion of an alien to tell right from wrong?

>>18009472
By virtue of being part of an intelligent, highly social species you're born with a moral intuition and you should learn social rules by observation and play as you're growing up. If you're grown up and have an IQ of >100 then you can also sit down and think about right and wrong.

>>18009818
They are different gods obviously.

Or, from a Christian perspective, the incarnation changed the so-called "unchanging God of the Universe" and made him have more compassion for peoplekind.

Nowadays YHWH has seemingly completely disappeared from the scene, credible miracles have ceased. Looks like the Deists were onto something.

>>18009658
>The problem of evil is an unsolved problem in monotheist philosophy. Yes, I'm aware of the arguments, the various theodicies prooosed. However, I do not accept any of them

Then kys.

>>18009472
as a human?
however your genetics react to things out of the box probably
as a philosopher?
same answer

>>18010321
Why would I? Because Christians, Jews, and Muslims can't reconcile the evil present in the world with their grandiose conception of God? That's ridiculous, I simply do not follow these religions.

>>18009960
>you're born with a moral intuition
Travel to some third world shithole for a week and see how much innate moral intuition they're born with

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>>18009472
Just think about your actions and what they wrought and what they will in the future. Thats literally how everyone regardless of religion or philosophy works about these things. This is also what an objective morality entails, that to be good is to be and evil is self-destruction. This doesnt just pertain to our biomechanilastic being, whether we eat healthy, exercise a healthy amount but also our social being, you can even call it spiritual being. Although that word conjures a kind-of metaphysically non-material thing that constitutes our being its completely synonymous with saying psychological well-being.

You need all these things in order for your being to sustain itself and grow, otherwise you would not be able to be. Good and Evil stand at odds with one another in the same way being and nothing stand at odds, you want to act evil then go ahead. You will disappear into the void as quickly as you appeared while beings who are good will continue to exist.

Experiments in social psychology show that most people naturally recoil from betraying trust, even without religious instruction.

>>18009472
How do you know Right and Wrong exist?
The same way you can know they exist is the same way you can tell them apart.
Assuming you have actually thought about that, and don't just assume they exist. In which case you can also just assume you can tell right from wrong.
>>18011492
Can you provide their names?

>>18011526
The puppet experiment is one of them.

>>18009472
How does the sky rabbi tell right from wrong?

>>18009472
By judging, as a social animal, what is necessary for society to function and for the prosperity and happiness of fellow humans within said society, as well as making them feel like you're a valuable member of the tribe.

>>18011757
Read your Euthyphro.

>The Euthyphro dilemma, from Plato's dialogue, asks whether something is moral because God commands it, or whether God commands it because it is moral. This presents two problems: either morality is arbitrary (first option), or it exists independently of God, limiting his power (second option).

>>18009472
If god doesnt exist then right and wrong dont exist.