What was the point of this if they have to return anyway?Seems like a waste of money, time and lifes.
>>18009826It all makes sense when you realize this whole thing was orchestrated by Netanyahu so he could expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank
>>18009826It was a test to see what would happen if Israel expelled the settlers from the west bank and gave the palestinians their own state. It turned out the palestinians would just use it to launch rockets and attacks at israel. The palestinians will never throw away an opportunity to make their own situation worse by being bloodthirsty barbarians who naively think they can destroy israel militarily.
>>18010080Literally what else can they do other than sit down and die? Don't resist -> Get expelled.Resist -> Get killed.
>>18009834How did that happen.
They are Jews. Evil and hatred clouds all rational thinking.
>>18010080So you think writing letters of protest would work? Israelis treat non-Jews and westies lacking a station or position of power like shit.
>>18010314Oh and to clarify>non-Jews and westies lacking a station or position of powerIs basically a Vendiagram woth perfectly overlapping circles because they basically flaunt any sort of decency or even token respect for third party authority. They spy and harass on basically everyone to an extreme extent.
>>18010109Long and short, it boils down to how Arafat and the Palis got a good deal from Clinton for an independent Pali state. Arafat turned it down because he wanted either one state ruled by Arabs or two states ruled by Arabs. At that point a lot of the Israeli right just gave up on trying to work out a deal with the Palis. So the point became a divide and conquer arrangement. Hamas was supported in Gaza by the Israelis as a way to peel off the strip from the more secular/socialist PLO in the West Bank. Because the islamists were even more batshit than the PLO is/was they could be relied upon to do stupid, pointless, performative violence. This was used as an excuse to crack down on ALL the Palis including the ones in the West Bank. The final nail in the coffin was this moronic terrorist attack where they raped and murdered their way through a fucking music festival and provided the excuse needed for the Israelis to purge the area while also smashing shit in the West Bank. They also grabbed up more of the Golan heights. Of course nothing will stop this because outside of some college campus leftists and some islamists? No one gives a damn. Still, that’s how and why it happened. Bibi even directed money to help prop up Hamas knowing they’d do something dumb with it.
>>18010355>moronic terrorist attack where they raped and murdered their way through a fucking music festivalWho exactly? Israel was always super vague on the death toll. That and they killed one of the hostages after he was escaping.
>>18010363The point is that Hamas does performative violence. Attacking a music festival is peak ‘let me give my enemies an excuse’ tactics. They didn’t need to attack a music festival. They did. That was the kind of thing Bibi was praying for because it gave him the leeway to do what he’s wanted to do since the Clinton administration.
>>18010094>Literally what else can they do other than sit down and die?Negotiate a peaceful settlement like how all other conflicts have ended? They exact same argument you are making here was what people said for decades about why peace in ireland was impossible.
>>18010094At least, if you get expelled you may find a better life in a country that's less shithole. If you get killed, there's no second chance.
>>18010355Although you're correct here entirely, it should not be ignored that Israel's labor government made the historic mistake of starting, and then expanding, the west-bank settlements after the '67 war. When Likud came to power Menachem Begin used the Sinai concession to Egypt to anchor the west-bank settlements, and Yitzhak Shamir dragged his feet on the peace process so much that he became George H. W. Bush's most disliked foreign leader during his time as Vice President and President. The Palestinians are bad faith and are addicted to the struggle, but Israel needlessly entangled themselves to this conflict to begin with.
>>18011801Sadly so. Speaking to a number of Israeli boomers when I've visited there they said in the immediate aftermath of 1967 the national mood was such that even the most adamantly atheist Israelis struggled to entirely dismiss the notion that they had just witnessed an act of divine intervention.
>>18011813They were euphoric and became genuinely convinced of their own invincibility. Though it should also be noted that petty politics also played a factor. Shimon Peres frequently sought to undermine Yitzhak Rabin's standing in the labor party, and helping the settlers from within the labor government was one such way for him to do so - he even went to the settlement Ofra and planted a tree there when it was founded. Likud would eventually use this effectively against Peres, presenting him as a flip-flopper during election campaigns
>>18010489Every time a peacefully settlement has been negotiated, Israeli settlements and expulsion of Palestinians has followed.
>>18011970Are you referring to the '48 war? The one started by arab militias who refused to accept the partition plan?
>>18010080Quick question, what was in Israeli news on the morning of 7th October?
>>18011985People were calling the news to ask help because terrorists were roaming their streets. It was something I'll never forget
>>18010355>zero evidence anyone was raped or murdered at the music festival>plenty of footage of cars and vehicles with their roofs shot up and burned as though they had been attacked from above>all of them crushed and buried in the desert before anyone from outside the Israeli government can look at themTell us about the 40 beheaded babies baked in ovens next
>>18010363They killed multiple hostages who were in their underwear, waving a white flag and walking towards the IDF shouting "Don't shoot we are hostages, we escaped" in Hebrew, and they were gunned down, including one who was chased down an alley and shot point blank.
>>18011986Answer the question. What had happened in Palestine in the week prior?
>>18011990You asked what was in the news of Oct 7th, but anyway from what I recall there were reports of disorder on the Gaza fence, which the army and government brushed off and repeatedly reassured the public that "Hamas is not interested in an escalation". This would of course blow up in their face on Oct 7.
>>18011992Not the Palestinian children who had been gunned down after a Jewish mob attacked their village huh?
>>18011996Most Israelis would not agree with me on this, but yeah I think settlers are a legitimate target. Oct 7 victims were not settlers.
>>18012000The Oct 7 victims who were killed by the IDF?
>>18012008It was good and it didn't happen?
>>18012013Who said it was good? That genetic tendency for schizophrenia kicking in?
>>18012018The typical Gazan seemed to think so, many civilians even joined in and poured through the fences on the day itself. Not sure what their opinion about it is in hindsight of course
>>18012021Did they though?
>>18012023Yes. Of course most of the damage was still done by the Nukhbas
>>18012026Of course it was, of course it was. Evidence? No, a secret screening for handpicked shabbos goyim doesn't count.
>>18012029Do you realize there's tons of footage filmed by Nukhbas themselves, as well as civilians filming the abducted Israelis in Gaza? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRrHDq-Njb0Do you feel proud about abducting a mother and her 2 children?
>>18011976Israeli settlements follow the '67 war as well, and have continued to prop up even after treaties like Oslo.
>>18012037The IDF flattened all 3 of them. Do you feel proud about killing them and then waving their corpses around?
>>18011996Never happened. The idea that Israel has ever killed any civilians or children is communist propaganda
>>18009834According to Bibi plan
>>18012526Israel and the Kibbutz system was founded on far left principles my guy.
Really quite astonishing to see this anon blithely insist the massacres of october 7th didnt happen, when hamas themselves recorded and proudly uploaded them to the internet for all to see. But I guess it was the allmighty allpowerful jews who made them do that instead or something.
>>18013170It's typical Arab revisionism of the past which somehow simultaneously highlights atrocities committed against their people while erasing all the historical and political context around them. It's something the Jews themselves engage in, so perhaps it's not a racial characteristic of Arabs but is a Semitic cultural trait shared by several different people in the region. With Arabs, though, it creates this inability to accept their defeat (or learn from it) and a glorification of "martyrs" which in turn fuels the exact same kind of suicidal aggression that led to previous defeat. They never think about the long-term consequences of their actions in realistic terms, they only engage in wishful thinking and the immediate glory to be gained. So it's not surprising to see Arabs are already insisting the attack they widely publicized to the whole world as a moment of triumph was in fact an Israeli false flag if it ever happened at all, because the moment of glory from Oct 7th is now gone, its political capital spent, and it serves no other purpose for them.
They never bought the land
>>18013170>>18013189May we see these "proud recordings"? What's that? Only hand picked journalists get to see it? Fascinating.
>>18012526...the most useful idiot award
