craziness for God is better than craziness for the world (Satan)

The theology is wholly different than any orthodox Christian sect. It's bullshit that I saw through at 17, and I'm surprised it took me that long to see through the indoctrination they put me through.

>book of abraham "translated" from papyrus we now know has nothing to do with Abraham
>polygamy ordained by God, abandoned due to politics so Utah could become a state
>black people denied the priesthood, then reversed due to politics in the Civil Rights Era
>tithing settlement shakedowns
>Henotheism, men becoming Gods of their own planet if they do the right rituals
>golden plates that never existed, "translated" into KJV English for some reason, ripping entire chapters from that version of the Bible

What a fucked religion. I actually respect the Fundamentalist LDS because they actually follow the religion as originally "restored by God" even if they marry minors into their polygamist harem, just like Joseph Smith did.

>>18010980
I can't get into this girl's videos
The one where she explains Mormon afterlife or the South Park episode reaction were interesting, but all of her other videos are just over an hour long ramblings where she just keeps repeating herself like a high school student trying to up a word count and taking way too long to get to the point of the title
Am I just being autistic?

>>18011557
she treats it like a blog for other mormons and ex-mormons.
at the end of the day, who the fuck cares about mormonism except those born into it or who is annoyed at them knocking down their door.

>>18011935
>at the end of the day, who the fuck cares about mormonism except those born into it or who is annoyed at them knocking down their door.
I'm not American and have never met a Mormon in my country. To me, Mormonism is fascinating just like the other weird American new religions.

>>18010980
>grenfell
ayo theresa where da money

>>18010980
>god gave me new revelations
>Eden is actually in Missouri
>also all the women have to marry me

Seems legit.

>>18012113
Polygamy is weird enough, but he would send guys to England on "missions" and then "marry" their wives as soon as they left. Some of his wives were definitely underage too. If you want to see real Mormonism look at Warren Jeffs and the FLDS movement. They might be awful people, but they are following the religion of Joseph Smith Jr, not reversing key doctrines for political reasons.

>>18010980
My mother was Mormon and my father was Catholic. He "converted" to Mormonism for her, but they split after a year and I went to live with Mom, every other weekend with Dad. I could tell Mormonism was a scam/cult by the time I was like 12 or 13. Not in a specific way I can as an adult, but even as a kid I picked up on the weirdness and bullshit doublethink. I remember thinking how bullshit it was that for my birthdays after I turned 10 they made me give 10% of my birthday "earnings" to the fucking church. Who does that to a child? I also got dragged to hundreds of random temples all over the country and I recall thinking the baptism for the dead stuff was bonkers and didn't really make that much sense logically. Final straw was learning about how the book of Mormon was actually written and thinking "how the fuck could anyone fall for such a dumb con?" In contrast when I went with my Dad to Catholic mass it was relatively short, sweet, to the point, didn't have any insanely weird rituals or expectations, and people didn't try and take money from a 10 year old. If anything, people would randomly give you candy or Dad would give me 2 20s and tell me to keep one and put the other in the offering basket. The only thing I thought was kinda weird was all the repetition of what the priest was saying by the congregation.

>>18012288
Oh yeah Catholic and most Protestant services are definitely more on the level than a typical Mormon three hour struggle session.

I mean, Protestants can vary, you can get into snake handling and shit, but by and large the orthodox Christian denominations are much more reasonable and have a more intellectually fleshed out theology than Mormonism.

Kudos on figuring it out at such a young age, took me until my later teen years before I had researched enough to definitively say I didn't want to be Mormon anymore. People assumed I had read anti-Mormon literature, but I literally just read official sources and applied reason to them. It just didn't make sense. Only later did I read more sources that were opposed to Mormonism.

Baptism for the dead is super wacky too. Did you hear they got in trouble with THE JEWS for proxy baptizing on behalf of people allegedly killed in the Holocaust? Pretty funny.

>>18010997
What a fucking stupid way of thinking.
You want actual heresy? Cause that's how you get actual heresy

>>18012338
Who defines what is heresy? If a Church, which church specifically?

>>18012123
They are underaged by CURRENT standards. They were not underaged by the legal and cultural standards of the time.

>>18012510
I'm sorry, did God restore the true religion forever or did he not? Either marrying other men's wives and girls in their early teens is ORDAINED BY GOD or Joseph Smith was a false prophet. This is why I respect (but disagree with) FLDS, they hate black people and practice polygamy including underage brides, they are true Mormons following the teachings of Joseph Smith Jr.

Mainline Mormon church? Bunch of pansy ass old men who get a "revelation" reversing God's unchanging doctrine every time it is politically expedient. Either God restored the true faith 100% in the 1800s or he didn't. The unchanging almighty God wouldn't bow to political pressure. But time and time again the LDS church does. Only a matter of time until they get a "revelation" and start supporting LGBTPQIA stuff. Because apparently nothing is sacred to the LDS church, not even long held beliefs.

>>18012544
Was it a requirement to marry early teenagers or a choice?
Again you have a point about polygamy but the argument against under aged wives does not apply here. If I can show Joseph Smith ate chicken, but later the government bans eating chickens would Mormons be obligated to eat chicken "because Joseph Smith at chicken" No.

>>18012546
Yes they were fine then not fine now.

>>18012544
Worth noting Joseph Smith was against polygamy as far as the church was concerned, he was just a hypocrite.

The only reasons people say is a cult is always because it's weird from the perspective of orthodox Christianity and because some people had an asshole bishop or parent. Most of the legit culty shit from the Brigham Young days are long gone. I don't even like the church but saying it's a cult like Scientology or Heaven's Gate is straight up retarded.

>>18012568
No it is a cult, with made up shit that changes on the fly to suit political needs.

>>18010980
Isn't this the woman who left the mormon church because she really wanted to burn coal

>>18012585
Her husband is white and they were married before leaving the church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15g6gaz1tnw

>>18012575
You mean just like protestants and Catholics do?

>>18012665
Can you give examples?

>>18010997
Why not just choose not to be crazy?

>>18010980
Mormonism isn't a cult, it's just a kinda weird branch of Christianity. If dumb theology made a religion a cult than all Evangelicals and Catholics would be cultists as well as Shiites and Druze.

>>18011245
>>Henotheism, men becoming Gods of their own planet if they do the right rituals
Honestly one of the best interpretations of the afterlife and it's surprising more Christian sects and cults don't do it with the way Christians are treated as children of god and whatnot.

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>>18011245
>I respect people for being polygamous pedos because it's based and trad

>>18012973
Evangelicals are cultists. Don't know about Shiites and Druuzes.

>>18012991
I want to know more about the Druze.

>>18012988
Let me clarify, I respect them for sticking to original Mormonism and not bowing to political pressure. If you think Joseph Smith Jr had all these visions and restored the true religion, why would it have to be changed later?

Do I think they're wrong and fucked up? Absolutely. But they actually follow the Mormon religion, not what is convenient politically. Sure, Warren Jeffs is and should be in jail under the law, but as a Mormon he is a GOAT.

>>18012973
Mormonism has an entire different holy book. It's American Islam or 19th Century Scientology. They don't follow the Christian creeds. If Mormonism is Christianity because they blather about a totally different conception of Jesus then it follows that Islam is Christianity too.

>>18010980
Have fun burning!

>>18012998
>Mormonism has an entire different holy book.
They follow the Bible too though
It's not just the Book of Mormon

>>18013058
They "follow" the Bible like Jews "follow" the Torah.

>>18013058
The Mormon Jesus is not the Christian Jesus. Nor is the Islamic Jesus the Christian Jesus. These are different religions.

Do Christians believe Jesus went to the Americas after he was resurrected? That he was Lucifer's brother?

You can't just take a bit of KJV onlyism, claim it was corrupted and the Book of Mormon supercedes it (since it was "translated correctly"), toss ALL of the Christian Creeds, invent a new theology where God was once a man, have your founder claim to have seen God(!) and Jesus and still get to be "just another denomination".

For the record, I think JWs are their own religion too.

>>18013058
Anon, if tomorrow a new religion was brought about that worshipped Barney the Dinosaur as the reincarnation of jesus christ, with a whole new holy book based on his show; and a belief system framed around killing and eating children and then feeding themelves to Barney so that the beautiful christian souls can all be reunited with God as one: would you say that this is a form of christianity just because Barneyism also acknowledged the bible? Or would you say having beliefs and canon completely separate makes it it's own thing, like islam, and these people are heretic loonies?

What you believe matters more than what you call it. If you had a christian movement that firmly believed that jesus' name was Thronglorr the World Dongler, but otherwise were normal protestants without other differences then they'd still be christians (even if they found that name annoying). This is called heterodoxy, where a branch of a religion has beliefs which might be odd but which aren't actually heresy or against the whole.

Conversely Mormons can *say* they're christians all they like, but just because they've stolen the name and some of the material they don't get to pretend they're anything but heretics following an obvious conman and criminal who was using these gullible fools to fuck.

>>18013125
Mormons, this is your mindset.

>>18013065
Meaning that they follow it?

>>18013243
>I don't know the basics of religion
And I don't care to educate you. >>>/r/eddit

>>18013088
Why are people like you so obsessed with trying authoritatively say LDS is not Christianity? Like, are you secretly scared of the possibility it might be or something? What do you get out of it? Only God can judge and knows for sure.

And the Islam comparison is really strained. Muslims have the Quran which is a completely different account of "Isa" with different properties attributed to him, that are superseded by Mohammed. LDS has... the standard protestant bible +addendum material that doesn't alter the Bible. Jesus is Jesus. The guy in the garden of Gethsemane. It's really not in the same ballpark as Islam.

>>18013255
>Only God can judge and knows for sure.
>Lucifer's brother is Jesus.
You are braindead. Have fun burning.

>>18010980
She looks insane.
If forced to choose between trusting Mormons or Women; run.

>>18010980
>they didn't let me drink soda or take BBC in every hole...
>what an evil cult!

>>18010980
I was bron and grow up in Europe. Therefor, I hardly meet any Mormon during my entire formating phases. Later, I show a dude who appearently was converted to Mormonism and hold all kind of strange believes.

What I did, I saw the show "Battelstar Galactica" and later on, I was informed that this show was somehow financed by Mormones.
Even today I associate Mormonism with gambling (appearently allowed for them), strange believes about the universe etc.

>>18013310
Soda is allowed now. It was a gray area but they got a REVELATION FROM god about goddamned coca cola and mountain dew..

Coffee and tea... Sorry, that's haraam to Mormons. Official line is "hot drinks" are banned, but hot chocolate is allowed. Caffeine is apparently not the issue, as the aforementioned mountain dew contains tons and is allowed. Any of this making sense to you? Me neither.

>>18013255
Mormons try and pretend they're Christians, just another denomination. They lure people in with talk about how families can be together forever. Then they talk about marriage in heaven, even though Jesus in the Bible specifically denies this doctrine.

All that extra stuff, the Book of Mormon, of Abraham, the Doctrine and Covenants, all that stuff AND the theology being so far out of left field means that Mormonism, despite LARPing as Christian, is a totally different religion. The Mormon god exists within the universe on or near a star called Kolob. He didn't create the universe, he rearranged matter that was preexisting. He was once a man who answered to yet another god (who presumably was once a man who answered to another god and so on in an endless regression) who did the right temple rituals to become a god.

Conversely, Christianity (and AFAIK Judaism and Islam) posits creation ex nihilo, by a singular God who exists outside space and time. Not an endless stream of godmen. It is an entirely different religion with a unique but stupid theology.

I'm not afraid of Mormonism being considered Christian because to any informed observer it obviously is not. I'm just warning others who might not be so informed, this is a weird sect and not just another Christian denomination.