Did Rome lie about the beliefs of the Cathars? Was John Foxe right when he claimed that they were actually a Proto-Protestant group?
>>18011295Rome lied about the Cathars existing at all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h9pMC2au94
Protestants fucking love the Old Testament. Cathars rejected the Old Testament and kept only the Jesus.
>>18011295Quote from Actes and Monuments?
>>18011345The Albigenses were a people of the reformed religion, who inhabited the country of Albi. They were condemned on the score of religion in the Council of Lateran, by order of Pope Alexander III. Nevertheless, they increased so prodigiously, that many cities were inhabited by persons only of their persuasion, and several eminent noblemen embraced their doctrines. Among the latter were Raymond, earl of Toulouse, Raymond, earl of Foix, the earl of Beziers, etc. https://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox104.htm
>>18011295>>18011352Wtf?
>>18011295>>18011352Iirc the Waldensians were active in the same time and place and also hunted by the same crusaders, so the charitable interpretation was that he was confusing them
>>18011393>the charitable interpretation was that he was confusing themNot sure about that. Jacques Basnage also believed that the Cathars were framed.
Rome falsified Cathar beliefs to justify persecution.
>>18011295>Did Rome lie about the beliefs of the Cathars? Was John Foxe right when he claimed that they were actually a Proto-Protestant group?I think it's important to make a few distinguishments here. The people who opposed the expansion of Roman authority over churches around the city of Albi in southern Frane were called "Albigensians."The Cathars were only one group of Albigensians. The Cathars were very clearly related to medieval gnostics. They organized the "Council of Saint-Félix" in the year 1167 and clearly had gnostic views.However, not all Albigensians were Cathars/Gnostics. Other Christians who did not accept Roman Catholicism were also comprehended under the term "Albigensian," although the Romans found it useful to conflate and confuse these other churches with the (gnostic) Cathars in some of their writings, in order to better demonize anyone who opposed Romanism in the 12th-13th century and was attacked during the Albigensian Crusade and the medieval Inquisition that was set up in its aftermath (around the time of the Council of Toulouse).Pierre Allix and others did identify what you could call "proto-protestant" groups among the Albigensians, although these Christians and churches would have been separate from the Cathars (who, once again, were actual Gnostics).>>18011393>Iirc the Waldensians were active in the same time and place and also hunted by the same crusadersThe Waldensians (or Vaudois, "those who dwell in the valleys") were a relatively small population that lived in a few specific valleys in Piedmont, in the Alpine region of Italy somewhat to the west of the Italian cities Turin and Pinerolo.The Waldensians may very well have been survivors of the Albigensian crusade and Inquisition, who survived because of the remote and inaccessible area in the mountains they lived.In 1487-1489, the Duke of Savoy even tried to invade there and lost several battles. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croisade_contre_les_vaudois_de_1488
I wish they were still around. I wonder what they'd look like today.
>>18013009The main branch of gnosticism around today is called "Judaism" and falsely identifies as Jews.
>>18013085Idk, the gnostics were pretty antisemitic, their whole theology was that the Jewish God is effectively the devil. I don't think they'd be like the Jews.
>>18013094>Idk, the gnostics were pretty antisemitic, their whole theology was that the Jewish God is effectively the devil.The gnostics have a dualist cosmology and believed in reincarnation (i.e. transmigration of souls). This is what talmudic and kabbalistic "Judaism" teaches as well.>I don't think they'd be like the Jews.Well, yeah. They'd apparently pretend to be Jews though while actually being Gentiles with zero connection to the Biblical and ancient Israel. That's what modern Judaism is. The first lie the impostors usually tell is that they claim to have anything to do with biblical Jews when they do not.That is also pretty anti-Jewish as well, pretending to be them while teaching absolute satanic lies. Also, them being literal sodomites, and trying to normalize sodomy and other things in society.
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