When the colonialists arrived in Peru, they asked the local tribes what place would be the best to make a city and they were recommended the location of todays 'Lima'. Little did the colonialists know that this was actually the area with the worst weather and they got tricked by de indigenous people. Little did the indigenous people know that a few centuries later they would gain independence and this would become their capital city forever.
>>18011817If its really so bad why not just move it, like the Indonesians and Egyptians are doing?
>>18011823 both the Egyptians and Indonesians have been 'doing' this for 20 years with basically zero progress.
The craziest part is that Lima is technically a desert but is only green due to fog. Look it up, there's basically no percipitation at all and it even has the Koppen classification of BWh, same as the Sahara.
>>18011844>muh coping classification
>>18011846Yeah Koppen is shit, the temperature dividing the two BW classifications is too high and now fucking Lima is the same as the Sahara and the Namib in its eyes.
>>18011876No I meant too low
>>18011817troled
>>18011876>>18011844That's not a contradiction, coastal fog deserts are a biome within the hot desert climatic band, they still fit the precipitation and temperature limits. A lot of somalia is a coastal fog desert and no one would claim it's anything but hot desert
>>18011832ok then how about Brazil?
>>18011817wait till you hear about Leif Erikson's epic troll
>>18011892Lima is quite chilly most of the year
>>18011844>only green due to fogThe fog only sustains vegetation year-round in the coastal hills and seasonally in inland mountain slopes, where it can clash with the soil.But the main reason parts of Lima are and were green is its ancient irrigation network, which grew over thousands of years and expanded habitable land far beyond the Rimac Riverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbj1AuvTCeM
I don't think that's why they founded it there. With the island blocking the Pacific waves it's a good port, the Rimac River has water all year long, the cool climate has plenty of advantages as well and there was already large native settlements in the area which provided labor. I doubt Pizzaro of all people would listen to the natives anyway
>>18012484>expanded habitable land far beyond the Rimac RiverAnd so, most of what is now Lima grew over such green valleys, so ancient that the main ones (like Ate, Surco, Guatica) were referred to as rivers even in the conquistadors' timePic shows what survived at the beginning of the 20th century, of course with some minor alterations, before Lima grew massively from 100k people to 11.7 million today
>>18012530A more detailed look at the routes of the main irrigation channels during the Late Intermediate period (just before the Inca conquest)
>>18012559>>18012484Neat
>>18011817Pizarro's first choice for the Spanish capital was Xauxa (or Sausa, today spelled Jauja), high in central Peru. It was the Inca capital of the Chinchaysuyu region, built on the lands of the Xauxa and their cousins, the Wanka people.Early colonial accounts mention that Xauxa had large buildings (200 paces long kanchas), straight streets "like in Spain," a good climate, lush countryside, and granaries full of preserved food, clothes, and other supplies that could sustain them for years (the town had 1,069 storage silos and 2,573 existed in a radius of 10 km).Pic shows a potential reconstruction, though much of the city exact layout remains unknow today and the city size has been expanded with more archeological excavations.Sidenote: Xauxa became the base of operations for Cusco's army during the civil war. As a result, the Xauxa were heavily punished by Atahualpa's "Quitenian" forces after the city was captured in one of the war's bloodiest battles. Their identity also diminished as they were closer to the colonial growth of the city, leading to the more peripheral Wanka becoming the face of the group in the colonial era.
>haha, take that white man, youll NEVER build a city there!>*builds literal capitol of the country*
>>18012902However, this was a brief decision Pizarro made while en route to discovering the Inca capital of Cusco, where he allied with Manco Inca against the remaining rebellious Inca generals in parts of Chinchaysuyu. The Spanish left in Xauxa were murdered due to the political turmoil of the time. While the situation was quickly resolved, Pizarro decided to move the capital closer to the coast, anticipating the need for a quick evacuation in case of rebellion.Pizarro’s choice was then a site near Pisco (Sangallan or Sangayan), on the central southern coast of Peru, in the Inca province of Chincha, part of the larger Chinchaysuyu region. This area had been inhabited by the Nazca in ancient times. However, this choice was brief, and the Spanish didn't have time to alter the pre-Hispanic settlement plan, which is still quite well-preserved.
>>18012902>the Wanka people
>>18011817God truly works in mysterious ways.
>>18012948>However, this choice (for Sangayan) was briefLike extremely brief.For reasons unclear, Pizarro eventually chose Lima. The decision was likely influenced by the opinions of Spanish reconnaissance parties, who had visited the valley, like Pizarro's brother and a handful of Spaniards who traveled like Inca dignitaries to Pachacamac (most were carried on Inca litters), a journey arranged by Atahualpa, while Pizarro remained immobile for months in Cajamarca with the captured Atahualpa, waiting for the ransom. Almagro’s forces had also likely visited the area during their coastal expeditions.Pizarro may have also visited Lima’s valley, when they were settling in Sangallan. He chose to move the capital there because the valley of Lima was a perfect location, full of agricultural pastures due to the aforementioned precolumbian irrigation channels. It had been one of the most populated regions of precolumbian Peru, though its population was probably lower at the time due to political turmoil and diseases. In fact, Lima's valley is home to extremely ancient monumental architecture, such as the ∼5000 year old pyramids of Chuquitanta.Pizarro chose a specific spot in the valley where a minor local ruler, placed by the Incas, controlled the flow of one of the key water channels (see figure 9 in >>18012559 (You)).Pic is a hypothetical reconstruction of the settlement of Lima that belonged to curaca Taulichusco, the aforementioned minor ruler. His palace became Pizarro’s residence and orchard, and later the larger Viceroyalty Palace was built on top of it, followed by the even larger current Presidential Palace
>>18013024>In fact, Lima's valley is home to extremely ancient monumental architecture, such as the ∼5000 year old pyramids of ChuquitantaAnd then came the u-shaped temples
peru was better when it was spanish
>>18012909OP is lying thougheverbeit, there was already a native settlement at what would become Lima
