I'm atheist. Try your hardest to convince me Christianity is the true religion.
>>18011931Kinda second guessing my religion now because that little dude is fucking rad.
>>18011931Why Christian religion?
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>>18011931Atheists think Lono is a demon?
>>18011931It's the only religion whose miracles are tested and tried to the limit of scientific understanding
>>18011931You can only see it as something someone else believes in.
>>18012024LmaoI remember when the world went into the literal dark ages within decades of Europe becoming ChristianisedIf that isn't a sign then I don't know what is
The diversity and urgency of people reporting his resurrection.
>>18012052George Floyd is a saint by this metric
>>18011931I think Lono is basedSo you this Jesus Christ is based now. Lmao.
>>18012063If he's based why are you still Christian?
>>18012051Congrats. You fell for the memeThe only source for le Dark Ages comes from Edward Gibbon, who wrote it as propaganda for the EnlightenmentIn reality, tech continued to prosper to the point that crop yeild grew as much as 7x compared to Rome
>>18012071>if you find someone based you must worship himwhy are atheists like this?
>>18012095First of all, your crop yield claim is a lieSecondly, there quite literally was a dark age from a series of volcanoes blocking out the sunThere then followed a wave of plaguesThe matter of depopulation, de-urbanisation, cultural and political decay is all a matter of fact. Art begins to resemble primitive tropical island cultures (visible during the late (Christian) Roman empire). Arabs take over the holy land, crusades waged against fellow europeans.
>>18012121First of all, crop yeild is completely true. Tech like the Caruca was only made possible by advancements on metallurgy and breeding animals to be even bigger. Then there are also new farming techniques like the three-field system and staggered planting to improve crop yeildSecondly, Year Without a Summer was in the 1800's,Then Rome was beset by plagues like the Plague of Justinian and Antonine PlagueDepopulation, de-urbanization, cultural, and political decay were a result of things outside of the Church's control. The medieval art that you are talking about is meant for books and tapestries. Medieval Art is a broad stroke that involves even the Milan Cathedral and St. Peter's Basilicale Dark Ages was a memeNo one ever thought of the medieval times as a bad place until the Enlightenment propaganda
>>18011931Why would I try my hardest to convince you of something I don't myself believe? What is the point when you likely committed to Scientism, the worship of science?
>>18011944Sorry Mohammad. But I’m too White for Islam.
>>18012128The term "dark ages" was coined by catholic humanists in the early Renaissance, even they recognized that the period between the fall of Rome (I would argue since the 3rd century crisis) and the 13th century were shit.
>>18012053You missed the point. It's not about how being a saint or not, it's about whether it happened in the first place. Nobody disputes George Floyd was killed. The difference when it comes to Jesus is that people are reporting about someone literally returning from the dead in a manner that was unconventional for the time, i.e. within a short period of time from the actual event, with great zeal, by different types of people, etc, as if they were traumatized by what had happened. Keep in mind even enemies of him reported that the tomb was empty.
>>18012148Millions of people claim the moon landing is fake
>>18012148People lie about anything, especially if it makes them look good or they stand to benefit. Don't be so credulous about a bunch of desert grifters
>>18012148The only evidence for an empty tomb we have comes from the Gospels. The early Epistles are silent on the topic, and in Acts neither the Jews nor the Romans bring it up when prosecuting the Christians, which is very strange if they indeed claimed Jesus followers stole his body.
>>18012128Wow, you're just a retard.
>>18012151>>18012152The difference is that it's unconventional. Reporting about miracles and resurrections in practically real-time might seem normal to us conteporary brainrotted tiktok guzzlers but in ancient terms it's exceptional. These stories tend to develop and become accepted over centuries. There's no doubt that whoever this guy was he had a tremendous - unnatural - impact.>>18012153>which is very strange if they indeed claimed Jesus followers stole his bodyDoesn't that mean they admit it's empty, or did I misunderstand your argument
>>18011931I love Lono
>See, I can totally discredit this belief that I refuse to conceptualize as anything but a strawman by this other belief that I also will not see as anything other than a strawman.
>>18012409Atheism and (Christian/Islamic/Judaic) Theism both get mogged by Deism.Also... Who are you quoting? :^)
actually I have many opinions on the Hawaiian (not polynesian, he is not found elsewhere in the polynesian world) God Lono.
>>18011931Ok come to Church with me.>>18012409Honestly you can't expect a whole lot more than that online. One in a million online atheists asking for evidence actually understands how empirical evidence process works. The rest are just flashing their ivory tower.
>>18012409>See, I can totally discredit OP by accusing him of committing strawman fallacy instead of defending my retarded beliefs
>>18012642>Ok come to Church with meI dont want to get molested by your local priest
>>18012659relax anon its church not public school or a synagogue
>>18012660>Contrary to many present-day stereotypes of early Islam, throughout much of the seventh and early eighth centuries, admission into the umma was reserved exclusively for Arabs. Religious conversion was predicated on ethnic conversion. For a non-Arab to become Muslim, that individual first had to gain membership in an Arab tribe by becoming the mawlā (client) of an Arab sponsor. From a seventh-century Islamic perspective, ethnicity and religion were not independent variables. All Muslims were Arabs, and ideally all Arabs were Muslims.>Sunni (Shafi'i) rules on Kafa'a says Arabs are superior to non-Arabs, and Arab men can marry non-Arab women, but non-Arab men cannot marry Arab women. It's in Reliance of the Traveller. There is also a Hadith where Muhammad said Arab is superior to non-Arab, Qurayshi is superior to non-Qurayshi and Banu Hashim is superior to non Banu Hashim, and Muhammad is superior to everyone. Hanafi and Hanbali have similar rules and say that an Arab father can reject a non-Arab man who seeks to marry his daughter just for the reason that he is not Arab. >In Islamic theology, taqiyya (or taqiyah) refers to the practice of concealing one's religious beliefs and duties to protect oneself or one's community from persecution, threat, or harm.
>>18012659I think you'll be fine.
>>18012663Priests molest at a far higher rate than schoolteachers.
>>18012682my local high school had several teachers busted for misconduct. only one church in my area (a baptist one) had a similar scandal
>>18012682I would say that too but it entirely depends on where you draw the line. If verbal sexual harassment is included, teachers wildly outperform priests in molestation.
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>>18011931I believe Lono is one interpretation of the One True God as perceived by people who had otherwise rejected or been denied whatever True Revelation could have made it to them. What now?
>>18011931I'm a polytheist and believe Lono is one power among many
>be lono, the White God of the Hawaiians>bring rain and clouds to Hawaii so the people can grow sweet potatoes; teach the people how to wrestle and race and play other sports and games>establish all laws and rules of the hawaiian islands, setting up order and dignity>beat your hot hawaiian wife to death after hearing a false rumor that she was adulterous >become full of shame and set up to perform deeds and actions to redeem yourself like some kinda island boy herakles; leaving hawaii until that day comes>thousands of years later hawaiians think you are reborn as some british guy named captain cook (because you are the white god)>hawaiians literally lose their minds; throw a massive island-chain wide festival to celebrate the return of their long lost and penitent god>expect 1000 year golden age of lonos benevolent rule to take place across hawaii after he blesses the kings>doesnt bless the kings; eats all your pigs and leaves>he comes back after a storm breaks his mast and uses an idol of you to repair it>demands more food and supplies>hawaiians think something is wrong; why lono come back? where golden age. eat captian cook expecting this to bring about your rebirth and fixing the golden age bug>brits get mad and demand him back; have to spend a few months collecting all the salted and preserved pieces of him that were divided amongst the kings and high priests of hawaii>still waiting for lono to returnwhat a nutty land
