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how did corporations become so powerful? what enabled this historically? in another decade based on their current form and trajectory what do you predict they will be like? will we even have countries a decade or two from now? or will its just be landmasses owned by corporations?


my understanding is that publically owned corporations are legally obligated to do whatever they can to make a profit for their shareholders, obviously this leads to diminishing returns until companies start doing shadier and shadier and more fucked up shit to achieve this goal. that sounds like nudging a tire or a ball and letting it go down a hill. you cant control it at that point.
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We stopped enforcing laws against monopolies. I think corporate power is going to be seriously curtailed over the next few decades. People are fed up with this and they’re beginning to get openly violent. Either the government will crackdown on these oligarchs or the starving poors will chimp out and kill them all.
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The state is ultimately more powerful than the corporations. If corporate lobbyists seem powerful it is because they have to beg the state for the right to exist and are occasionally granted concessions.

Between the state and the corporations are the hedge funds and investment banks like Black Rock and Goldman Sachs, these can hold shares in both Coca Cola and Pepsi or other such competing corporations, thus wield more influence than a single corporation. They push for political causes like ESG and DEI and in order to improve their credit rating corporations have to abide by them, it stands to reason they also push for political causes hidden from the public or in the fine print of the public trust.

However ultimately power rests with the state. They have a "monopoly over violence" and can at any time confiscate all the money and factories owned by billionaires, unless they catch wind of it and move fungible assets abroad. Communists and r*dditors like to imagine corporations control everything, but that's not really what's happening.
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Corporations create value, the government can only extract pre-existing value and redistribute it. Corporations can survive without government, not the other way around though.
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Read David Ciepley's works on corporations and the modern State. "Democracy and the Corporation: The Long View" is a quick easy read as introduction to some of his ideas.
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When bribery was renamed lobbying.
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>>18014667
wrong
Government creates objective value of ordered society of divided labor, corporations destroy value by monopolizing labor, hoarding wealth, and driving the prices. Governments in some way existed since the dawn of time while parasitical corps is a recent invention.
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>>18014842
What do you use that the government built? Your house? Your computer? Your fridge? Your car? Your tv? Your food? Please enlighten us. And keep in mind I said "built", not "redistributed".
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>>18014849
>And yet you take part in society. Curious!
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>>18014859
>can't name a single thing
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>>18014849
>house
Was given to my parents by the gobmint
>computer
System of logistics and distribution created, standardized and controlled by gobmint agencies made its construction possible
>fridge
same
>tv
dont have one
>food
Largely gobmint subsidized
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>>18014868
That is redistributed. I accept your concession.
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>>18014927
>there's no value in organization, without centralized government things would still magically float where they need to, safe and neat
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Read Capital Vol. 1
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Catholic Church was the prototype for the modern corporation. Just invest in your salvation bro.
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>>18014659
>or the starving poors will chimp out and kill them all.
This will not happen anymore, the time of revolutions of the poor is simply over

Money can buy weapon and defense systems that can wipe out armies of poorfags
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To grow further, corporations often engage in aggressive tactics: social externalities. It's ridiculous.
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are there specific court cases or laws worth looking up for more insight into understanding how modern companies or corporations are as powerful as they are? even when a company gets caught doing wsomething wrong, there never seems to be any lasting punishment other than some fine which often times if not always seems to be less money lost than whatever they gained by breaking the law in the first place.
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>>18014932
The government taking something from someone else and giving it to you is not creating value, and if you do see it that way the only thing keeping you from being a slave owner is opportunity.
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Technology (and captured regulation of such) is one of the biggest enablers of the modern megacorporation. It makes it so small businesses can't compete. It's only getting worse.
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>>18017400
ok boyo keep dreaming of that ancap utopia
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>>18017319
Just read about limited liability
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Global trade only works if there's civilizations that need the shit that is being produced. The west has essentially exhausted the world's need for cheep shirts and plastic shoes. I think there's an intrinsic connection between the seemingly unprofitable global trade network and the current political establishment.
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Hey I posted this picture first.
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>>18015142
you don't need an army
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