It got the job done, didn't it?
>>18016423How long was the waiting list for one of these?
>>18016455A few years, but "historians" always omit the option to buy used.
> Welcome to nomenklatura comrade, enjoy your zhiguli. Mine usted to be a cab but the owner defected. I wish they give me a Skoda, I've been in the waiting list for years.
>>18016465Pesky evil historians omitting the luxury of black market for second hand overpriced shit cars. Another vile capitalist conspiracy.
>>18016423Basically a Fiat 124 but with collapsable seats to have secs
>>18016486>black market for second hand overpriced shit cars.Dishonest exaggeration and/or all-too-common Russian over-dramatization.
>>18016475It's a car. It gets you from Point A to Point B. >but muh luxuriesstick a pillow behind your back, wear warm clothing>but muh reliabilityAll cars of these eras were kind of shitty, Communists didn't know western cars broke down too.
>>18016423is that car supposed to be le bad o algo?
>>18016534Yes, commies think all their cars were junk, but really it was just they were slightly worse than the standard for Europe at the time. And in the USA poorfags were often driving around unreliable junk in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, so they their own decades of "bad cars" but you don't hear them moan about it near as much.
imagine waiting a year to buy car with mechanical brakes, plywood body panel, and 25 hip engine. you may even get it shipped with missing passenger seat because one wasn't available at factory and later when one is available they come and install it in your car.
the ironic part is Eastern bloc cunts like Poland, Czechoslovakia, GDR had designs for better cars but weren't allowed to build them because nobody could have better car than USSR and they were perfectly content with >>18016546
>>18016496Exactly, just a typical European car.
How come Germans were able to build a better "People's Car" than the Soviets?
>>18016546>mechanical brakesFalse.>plywood body panelThey did this in a lot of countries, and it works. >25 hp engineIt gets the job done.
>>18016553Less corruption. The people in the factories actually did their jobs.
>>18016538>And in the USA poorfags were often driving around unreliable junk in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, so they their own decades of "bad cars" but you don't hear them moan about it near as much.In the US, cars of this era are referred to as "Malaise era" cars and many people are actually nostalgic for these types of cars
>>18016558The worst POS American car released in the Malaise-era would have been the best car the Soviet Union ever made.
>>18016560commie cars were hardly more advanced than a Model A Ford
>>18016558>In the US, cars of this era are referred to as "Malaise era" cars and many people are actually nostalgic for these types of carswhich ironically were the result of socialistic government regulations
>>18016566Ford Model T and Model A were known for their reliability, it's why a lot of them are still on the road today despite most of them being over 100 years old. The engines were fairly low compression and there just wasn't a whole lot that went wrong with them. In my personal experience the weak point with most of those are the radiators, which were prone to failing and boiling over. Ford tried solving these issues with the Model A which used a combination of Thermosiphon at lower engine RPMs with a water pump that really only worked at higher RPMs
>>18016566Utter nonsense.
>>18016566Not true.And you make that sound like it's a lot worse than it would really have been if it was. If the Soviets had mass-produced Model A's they might have actually had a better reputation.
>>18016585The Soviet Union actually did produce Ford Model As using imported Model A kits under the "GAZ-A" Name. They were actually the first passenger cars domestically produced in the USSR
there's good reason why commie cars were instantly junked in 1990
>>18016600>commie cars were instantly junked in 1990That's not true.
>>18016604>>>18016600>>commie cars were instantly junked in 1990>That's not true.>>18016604Indeed, as a consultant in the New Russia/CIS, I was gifted one. They were true products of socialist inability to mass-produce to standards. Owning them was considered an adventure. My favorite experience is every time I turned on the heater--a luxury feature--the windshield wipers came on. The heater did not. It would occasionally come on if one hit a certain part of the engine with a hammer just so, mostly, sometimes. Once on, it would stay on and drain the battery. Other issues I leave to the imagination. Chicks loved it, though.
>>18016613>. It would occasionally come on if one hit a certain part of the engine with a hammer just so, mostly, sometimes. Once on, it would stay on and drain the battery. Other issues I leave to the imagination.In the USA we would have traced and fixed that electrical problem in an an afternoon.
>>18016617*thinking over it a little more it was probably a vacuum issue.
>>18016538They literally smashed cars together for fun in America (Demolition Derbies). The situation is not comparable in any way.
>>18016558US carmakers finally got their shit together in the late 80s.
>>18016553VW Beetle was a domestic design, the VAZ-2101 was a bootleg version of the Fiat 124. Soviets didn't invest any time or money into design departments
>>18016486Anon right now as we speak most people in western nations drive or buy used cars. you are mindbroken
>>18016423My parents owned one when I was a kid. It was alright.
>>18016553>beetle >goodjust because they made it for donkeys years doesn't mean it was good. Its just krauts trying to fool everyone with their "die superior deutsch engineering uber alles" crap.>>18016546ladas didn't have plywood bodies wtf are you on about >>18016423Russia is just nigeria with snow remember. They still can't make decent cars to this day and the weather and roads are still terrible. nothing to do with communism. "People" (septics) seem to think all cars in yurope in the past were terrible, not sure where they get this opinion from. just seems to be cope, especially as American cars are still awful to this day.
>>18017084>"People" (septics) seem to think all cars in yurope in the past were terribleGerman cars have a terrible reputation, Italian cars are good
>>18017064what a dishonest cope this isSAD
>>18016553The VW Beetle cost a lot more to produce than Eastern Bloc shitboxes, as it had actual build quality (which is why so many of them are still around today). But I mean, even the 2CV, which remained almost unchanged from its introduction in the 40s until production ended in the 80s, was a better car than anything your average Russian/Polish/Czech/East German worker had access to.
>>18016486Noone mentioned a black market anon. Something you want to tell us?
>>18016590I think the caveat is that it was produced in vastly insufficient numbers, like every other car in the USSR, even though they got a sweetheart deal on the imported parts. The result was that, like all decent cars, it ended up entirely in the hands of corrupt government officials who got first pick.
>>18017243The Fort Model A and Model T were designed to be easy to cheaply mass produce and yet miraculously it was still too expensive for the average Soviet. Absolutely fucking mental.
>>18017064There's a pretty big difference in quality between a second-hand 2022 Toyota Camry and a second-hand 1973 Zhiguli. In fact, back in the early 80s there was already a huge difference in quality between a second-hand 1973 Renault 16 and a second-hand 1973 Zhiguli.
>>18017245It was never a particularly good consumer economy, which wasn't too bad in the 1930s (when the entire developed world was going through record unemployment and malaise and only ~5-10% of households in Western Europe could afford a car) or 1945 (when most of Europe was on the brink of starvation due to the chaotic end of the war), but in the postwar decades, when Germany's industry boomed, France and England became major banking and service economies again and American products and technologies made their way to Western Europe, the difference became very noticeable. One of the things that increased Nixon's popularity was his run-in with Khrushchev in 1959. Nixon showed off a bunch of affordable new kitchen appliances and furniture to Khrushchev, who got angry and declared that in just a few years the Soviet Union would surpass this standard of living. As time went on and Nixon's career progressed while Krushchev was forced into retirement, it became clear that the Soviet Union would never surpass America in terms of sheer standard of living.
>>18016538>in the USA poorfags were often driving around unreliable junk in the 70s, 80s, and 90s,I like how you had to specify "poorfag".
>>18016575>a lot of them are still on the road todayDid you make this post from 100 years ago? Any model T or A on the road today has been meticulously maintained and cared for in order to preserve it. Nobody's fucking daily driver from a century ago is still "on the road" today.
>>18017240I did mention it you subhuman braindead nigger because that's what it in fact was you subhuman braindead nigger. Do you really think communists encouraged free market for cars in their system? You must be the dumbest nigger on this website.
>>18017252Also second hand cars in the west are by default cheaper because they are not new. Second-hand Zhiguli would've likely cost much more than whatever the official price was, simply because you could buy it right away without having to wait 5+ years.
>>18017328It was legal to sell used cars in the Soviet Union.
If there were no cars how did rural people get around? Still using horse and buggy into the 70s?
>>18017547Buses and scheduling. You couldn't go anywhere whenever you wanted, you had to plan for it and walk to a bus stop.
>>18017387On paper it was also legal to criticize the government
>>18017565in USSR you couldn't actually leave town without a permit
>>18016465>>18017240Basically people on waiting list tarded their position in list for profit.Get car, use it for several month sell to underground rich people who pay double (half under teh table) to not wait 10 years for car.
>>18017547>If there were no cars how did rural people get around?Walked 10 miles to train or bus station. >Still using horse and buggy into the 70s?in RFSFR all horse were confiscated. Somewhere like Caucasus Stalin was from there uwu) even horse and buggy existedBut until 1974 rural people didn't have internal passports and couldnt leave their kholhoz without written permission of teh kholhoz chairman. Basically feudalism and serfs tied to manor's land 2.0.>>18017784City folks with internal passport could leave town, but they couldn't be in another town for more than 3 days without reason. Within 3 days citizine of USSR was must to register his residence in town he lives. Registration was permission by authorities based, citizens needed reason to to be in town they doen't live (holiday trip, visiting relatives, attending education facilities etc). People couldn't freely move to another city and find employment permanenatly. If citizen was registered in Tula he/she could only seek employment in Tula not Moscow. State supplied citizens housing but only in towns they were employed (catch 22). Permanent migration from city to city was exception cases specifically permitted by authorities.USSR had massive case of equivalent of "mail order/CEO brides". When lucky boys from desired cities (like Moscow) married girls from province and grils could move from their shitholes into capital and become permanent residents of the capital. Female dormitories of Moscow colleges and universities s were guaranteed sex for Moscow residency boys, provincial girls were jumping on their dicks without hesitation hoping these boys would take them into capital from their shithole towns (if not after education these fresh female graduates were shipped back to their shitholes or even worse to some Siberia via institution of "distribution" when graduates were sent to mandatory workplace decided by ministry of profession they majored
>>18017912Too long. Addition.Violation of registration regime in USSR was first fines, repeated was a felony one year jail. And here another catch: released felons weer prohibited to register in many "prime" places like in Moscow and 100 km around it. There were soviet term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_kilometreThis is what lefties are cooking for you boys, dont let communism happen in your country.
>>18017912>>18017919yikes
Foreign travel was another matter. You needed official permission and a clean political record for that, and there were different tiers of countries.>Soviet allies like GDR, Cuba, Vietnam etcEasiest to get permission to visit.>neutral cunts like Sweden, Switzerland etcA bit harder.>US and its alliesHardest and if you did manage to get permission to visit them you had a KGB minder following you at all times to ensure you didn't defect
How fitting for commies to drive around in a clown car.
