Let's say no Marco Polo Bridge incident, the entire Kwantung Army remains in Manchuria because China is viewed as an overly broad and populous country which cannot really be subjugated.The Army overpowers the Navy in internal politics and the country allocates funds to armour, maybe not to the point that Japanese tanks are as good as Soviet ones, but enough to make Japanese victories possible when numerical superiority is present.No invasion of China means Japan isn't embargoed, and they join WW2 in summer 1941 by shelling Vladivostok instead of attacking Pearl Harbour.How far could they get, and would this bring Stalin to his knees if Barbarossa is happening on the other side of the country?
Modern /his/ is retarded and you missed out on 2016 /his/ which was more knowledgeable.Kamchatka is too isolated and a logistical nightmare to go through. Japanese would advance slowly and at great cost.
>>18017361Is there an actual point in taking Kamchatka? Wouldn't Magadan be the only valuable target outside of Vladivostok and North Sakhalin?
>>18017341Staying out of China after already taking Manchuoko and Taiwan is a good idea. Going after the Soviet Union isn't a good idea. It would be better to attack the European colonial powers while avoiding the US and America. That would be more successful.
>>18017365Yes? There's nothing in the Altai, Mongolia, or Siberia of value to the Japanese who would not be able to take it over anyway. But taking over the Pacific coast is feasible if at great cost and would be very helpful to Germany.
>>18017341>How far could they getI'd say Baikal, north of it is uninhabited taiga and south of it is the gobi, it shortens the frontline and it's on the transsiberian.>would this bring Stalin to his knees if Barbarossa is happening on the other side of the country?A solid maybe, most lend lease was through Vladivostok so losing it would hurt, but there were other options. I still don't think it'd lead to the collapse of soviet war effort, they'd probably conscript more central asians, since they were exempt from it irl
If Moscow holds, Stalin can probably endure. Japan won’t be able to march across Siberia to link with Germany, and the Soviet state could still survive on the Urals line.
>>18017341Realistically they'd take everything up to Baikal as the Amur is a huge front with basically nothing to the north and impossible to realistically hold on to. Mongolia would collapse once they took Ulanbataar.After that you have sort of a chokepoint around Baikal which only gets resolves if the USSR is either dumb enough to launch an offensive, which would likely lose them the war due to the resource cost, or withdraws in favour of fighting Germany in which case the Japanese at best reach Krasnoyarsk and the Yenisey before supply kills any momentum they might have.
