So where do you all stand on people trying to revive ancient and classical European polytheism?Im not the biggest fan of YSEE trying to bring it back as an "ethnic" religion it kind of seems absurd as Aphrodite and Dionysus came from the east before being incorporated into the "Greek" hellenic religionI think if you're gonna do a revival/reconstruction it has to be more free flowing and allow different currents. Anything else and you're just rebuilding polytheism in the shadow of Abrahamism like Julian the philosopher or the Hindutva in India. At least until it becomes widespread enough polytheists should really be helping each other and allowing at least a little bit of syncretic co worship in temples.
Its just what these modern variations dont capture is that cults devoted to Circe, Dionysus, Aphrodite and all of the other all existed along with mainline thought. Stories could differ in minor details from city to city along with rhe ways holidays and the gods are celebrated. There wasnt any one way to be a polytheism in the ancient Mediterranean there were tons of overlapping and interconnecting ways especially after Alexander's Empire and the Romans
>>18017819polytheism leads to poop gods
>>18017819>has to be more free flowing and allow different currents. Anything else and you're just rebuilding polytheism in the shadow of Abrahamism like Julian the philosopher or the Hindutva in India.Bingo, and stop making samethreads
>>18017819>Dionysus came from the east before being incorporated into the "Greek" hellenic religionAlthough your topic is correct and those who delete it are paleolithic beasts and retards, Dionysus is not from the "east".
>Hellenic revivalists stage first offerings to new shrine on the Philopapoppos in 2000 years!>Look inside>It's some old hags in robes pouring wine over a tacky plaster statue they bought from a tourist trap in PlakaHmm...
>>18017819Hey bros, is it a sin to study and read about mythology and ancient pagan religions? This fascinates me, but not for larp or connection reasons, just for the historical rigor of finding out more and how these cults were, in order to see what the culture was like.
>>18017911How the fuck would that be a sin?
>>18017904A lot of mystery cult gods like Dionysus and Aphrodite came from Asian minor and Thrace, they may have traveled farther before coming into Greece.>>18017906Go into a "christian temple" its a bunch of people in a basement saying every other denomination is wrong and they are the only ones practicing like 1st century Christians would have which isn't even accurate
>>18017911No but lots of famous post classical polytheists started this way.Just wait until you realize how much of Christianity is just med polytheism with Jesus tacked on
>>18017911Christianity is a false religion and thus you have no obligation to do or not do things based on whether it claims such a behavior is sin or not
>>18017915thinking about it, it makes sense, thank you. it's just the study of mythology that interests me
>>18017918It's not true. Why do you need to lie? Leave the lying to the larpagans.Dionysus is not only Greek, but also has a Greek etymology, He is attested since the Mycenaean period, it is di-wo-nu-so. Etymologically, we have Διός (Diós), which is a obviously genitive of Zeus. The forms dio- are constructed by analogy from an original root die-. The compound die-nūs-os is analyzed from a verbal root die- and the element nūs- gave rise to a toponym, Nῦσα (Nûsa, "Nysa") a literal mountain where the god was cared for by nymphs, proving his intrinsic presence in Greek mythology.>>18017924Schizophrenic
>>18017918>Proudly announce the opening of the first new pagan temple in 1700 years>it's a shed with some pictures of the Parthenon stuck to it, with construction tape still wrapped around and tiles stacked up in the dirt>Also, that guy who walks around the Acropolis dressed as a cartoon Spartan charging tourists €10 for a photo is thereNever change Greeklings, this is why I love you.
>>18017948Telling you the fact that Christianity is a disproved religion is not "schizophrenic", you subhuman shit for brained moron.
>>18017950In fairness cus I hit post and instantly felt bad, the columns and sculpture are actually very well done, but come on, finish it before announcing it to the world!
>>18017911It's not a sin. Comparative mythology and reading myths without any kind of feeling, as we see in Xiiter, is no different than reading a work by Tolkien, for example. There's nothing immoral about studying ancient belief systems. In fact, did you know that Christian monks preserved much of the material we have today as Norse mythology? And in Ireland, it was preserved from the perspective and adherence of Christianity.
>>18017953You didn't refute anything, you just barked and practiced a kind of sameflag after being refuted in all your threads about neopaganism, I'm waiting for your substantive arguments here, what are they? We are curious.
>>18017819>you're just rebuilding polytheism in the shadow of Abrahamism like Julian the philosopherThat's what rabbinicalists in the 9th century did after their cult got resurrected earlier by the same Julian in the 4th century.
>>18017948>He is attested since the Mycenaean period, it is di-wo-nu-soOn a forgery.
>>18018015Which forgery?
>>18018016I don't know you show me.
>>18017819Polytheism is nigh impossible to "revive" because it consisted of folk practices which made up the fabric of the ancient culture. That has long been eclipsed by Christianity and all common practices that the average babushka does is now Christian. Without the folk, there are no folk practices. The only two options for a revival of polytheism is A) worship them yourself privately in your own home, as people did in ancient times (rather intensely, I may add), either as an esoteric philosophical practice or as the beginning of a tradition you intend to pass down through your family; or B) as a cohesive organization like Julian's attempted organized religion under Neoplatonism, because that's the only way for a religion to gain actual traction in such a globalized world (same as back then, when most of Europe was under Roman rule, and the organization of Christianity filled this niche). I guess a third option is to start a cult, but I don't really know how easily that could be done. Basically, people need to stop trying to be ancient people, because the circumstances that facilitated their lives, behaviors, and beliefs no longer exist. Have fun trying to sacrifice a live animal in the year 2025 unless you live in the middle of nowhere. Even then, I can imagine the average person is too sensitive to stomach slaughtering an animal with their own hands unless they breed and eat their own animals already.
>>18017819>>18017863theres less greeks in the world than qasimi-shahi nizari ismaili shia muslims. why would i give a fuck.
>>18018031You're the one saying it was a forgery?
>>18018061Im kinda trying to start a cult for local polytheists My focus is on Greek/Roman/med religions and cults, I dont have an issue with new age people/neo pagans worshipping and celebrating with us but they should know they are the guestsI think my first attempt will be Dionysia next year
>>18018061Where is this painting located?
>>18018061>Have fun trying to sacrifice a live animal in the year 2025This is a complete non-issue and it's bewildering that people still try and act like it would be some great hurdle. In the majority of cases animal sacrifices were nothing more than ritualized animal slaughter not that conceptually dissimilar from halal and kosher slaughter. The only people who would take issue with a community barbeque of freshly slaughtered animals are people who already object to eating meat in any context.
>>18018083I have considered starting an Athena cult, but that's just a pipe dream because I highly doubt there is anyone in the middle of nowhere southern US who would be interested in such a thing, as well as Hellenic polytheism attracting a lot of... "unsavory" people. I'm a Platonist and would be much more interested in creating a cohesive theological system involving Athena as the personification of Nous, and I'm not at all interested in having queer black Wiccan women attempting to join in. I think the only way I could ever start a group is to create some kind of Platonic study group in college someday and go from there.
>>18018093Nashville has a replica of the Pathenon. Seems as good a place as any for starting up an Athena cult.
>>18018061Do people not realize that the Gods only require the "waste" and bone because of Prometheus? When I sacrifice I usually do libations and food which is very common >>18018093 See I'm totally fine with some queer black woman coming to a ceremony for a god we share and joining in as a bystander or fellow worshipper it just can't be about her Wiccanism. We have overlap but they are there as guests to celebrate and if they choose to join in worshipIm not super interested in trying to put down concrete dogma and theology and if I was in charge I would try to make it as syncretic as possible
>>18017819You're dumb idea to replace worshiping one god with worshiping many gods is retarded because neither of those options is correct according to the right understanding of either. Typical bullshit, offer two solutions while fulling knowing they're both suicide.
>>18018120My go to sacrifices are daily libations, as well as things like honey, types of grains, fruits, and incense. I also use meat at times. I try to tailor the sacrifice based on the God to which I am sacrificing, as well as the type of incense. I saw "dragon's blood" incense at the store one day, and I find it fits Athena quite well based on both her slaying of Pallas and the Orphic hymn which refers to her as "she-dragon". The smell of it also gives me a headache, the irony of which did not occur to me until just now. >Im not super interested in trying to put down concrete dogma and theologyI don't think I'm as well read enough to do that just yet, but I have my ideas. To want to start a cult now would be as Alcibiades wanting to be a politician before actually know what it is he even believes. I should at least have read all of the late Platonists before trying to become a Platonic teacher desu
>>18018133Its probably gonna be a while before either can get my thing off the ground. I've genuinely thought about just trying to host a meet and greet in a park and having a discussion on the nature of the gods
>>18017819Every single one of them is a LARP unless they also do cruel sacrifices by killing animals as offerings.
>>18018175This is so dumb it could only come out of the mouth of a Christian Animal sacrifice = burning the bones snd other parts to send them up to the heavensYou dont need to throw an entire living cow into a fire to sacrifice to the gods, they are happy with the bones and gristle, thank Prometheus for that BTW
>>18018175Are you vegan?
>>18018175We have records of entire pagan sects being against animal sacrifice and preaching vegetarianism, archaeological evidence of clay figures being used as substitute for animal offerings, we also have records and archaeological that household offerings were mainly incense, garden products, baked goods and libations
>>18018091Could not agree more. Finally, someone said it.>>18018093>>18018111It's only a matter of time.
noise.
Setting up a temple to Zeus would be pointless because no people collectively identify as the living body of Zeus upon the earth. Back in the day you could bring down some choice bulls to that temple and offer them, and if your offering was good enough then Zeus might be moved to heed your call. But if nobody is identifying as the god then the offerings are pointless and nothing can come of it.
A pan-polytheist solidarity might actually mirror the ancient world more than isolated, ethnic-religion revivals.
>>18018325Yeah if I won the lottery tomorrow I'd love to convert an old church into a polytheists temple. My patron God is Dionysus but I would happily share a room with anyone that wanted to leave offerings or worship other gods of Spring and or gods of fertility and resurrection
>>18018339>My patron God is DionysusI've been wondering lately about Dionysus. What do you actually do to worship him? I know very little about him beyond the mystery traditions. I know people got wasted and had all manner of drunken shenanigans, and also had rituals in which they entered altered states of consciousness. I know how he was considered to be likened to wine itself and that drunkenness could allow for connection with the divine through both good things, like relieving one of inhibitions, but also bad, like bringing about blind rage. Dionysus honestly seems incredibly interesting to me, he's such a weird and enigmatic figure.
>>18018287Why must people collectively identify as the living body of Zeus? You have been so mindraped by the Abrahamics you cannot possibly envision anything else.
>>18018287This doesn't make any goddamn sense.
>>18018347Don't let the memes fool you. Dionysus had many aspects and was worshipped as seriously and soberly as any of the other Olympians.
>>18018369It's not going to- he's not even trying.
>>18018347>>18018347Well I definitely align more with the Orphic tradition that Dionysus could be the successor to Zeus who will then lead a new era just as when Zeus overthrew Cronos. I think there is a certain beauty to the idea that Zagreus was murdered by the titans who were in turn destroyed by Zeus. From the remains of both came Dionysus born by Zeus and humanity created by Zeus or Prometheus. In this humans get their spark or soul from the remains of Zagreus.Well I'm in the process of building a shrine that I'll eventually mount a bust on made out of scrap wood.I normally offer libations, burn incense and occasionally host nights devoted to altered states, the latter I'm not interested in discussing on this site. This is only partially completed and is more or less going to be used for indoor or outdoor night rituals. I'm still designing the covers for the lamps and need to afix 4 more on the bottom, this isn't how the final placements of any of the lamps will look basically but the main structure is there.It will be able to light up any room or clearing in ultraviolet light and would basically be a center peice in a room or clearing. I was inspired by a painting of the Gods depicted as though they were at a modern bacchanalia in the woodsI dont think modern polytheism needs to be a 1/1 copy of Bronze or Iron age religion. The abrahamists don't worship like they did in the first century or organize that way I feel no need to.Most people are probably gonna call this Pic dumb as fuck but I've spent most of my life doing festival work, construction, electric and have always devoted myself to the arts so I wanted to give something back using those skills
>>18018389Hey if think Jesus of Nazareth was a pretty cool guy, very moral for his time.That being said the whole son of a god and mortal womanBeing celebrated in SpringBeing associated with wineBeing sacrificed and rising from the deadAll of it is just stealing the Dionysian beliefs and then replacing Dionysus with Jesus. Its especially offensive because you then used the image of pan,Dionysus and Zagreus for your devil and demons while you stole the image of Zeus for Yahweh. Even your Christian Satan is just reusing the story of Prometheus and flipping it on its head. Why do Christians feel the need to turn good Gods into their demons?
>>18018357>Why must people collectively identify as the living body of ZeusBecause they literally are. At least that is what you'd need to believe if you wanted to "revive greek religion">>18018386It makes perfect sense because it is correct.
>>18018421Sorry for being a tard, but what is pic related suppose to be ?
>>18018527That's...not a question you respond to with "litterally are" anon...
Seems cringe because who would care so much about greek mythology to want to LARP it?Honestly any religion with an elaborate costume or hat is silly.
>>18018530Every drop of water that together collectively form the ocean is the ocean.
Gotta say... In my bones Apollo compels me.
>>18017819Cringe larping
>>18018529Oh its fineIm building a pedestal for a bust of Dionysus The UV lights are for lighting a room or forest clearingIt isn't halfway done yet because im still working on casings for all 8 lights and need to install 4 and reinstall the 4 on the top.Im gonna put a leopard fur on the top of it between the pedestal and the bust.The entire thing will be decorated before it is doneThis is not traditional and I'm not claiming it is I just had an idea and ran with it.Like I said all the materials but the lights are reclaimed from construction I do.
>>18018339I'm more of Faunus guy myself.
>>18018421This is brilliant, anon. I love what you're doing with all this, and frankly I find it very inspiring. You make a good point about how modern Christians don't worship in the ancient ways, and I really want to marinate on that. I'm always worried about the "right" way to worship, so you showing off the ways you do it makes it feel less worrisome.
>>18017819>hellenic revivalHas already been done in Europe centuries ago. If you read the great german authors they borrow heavily from greek literature, presumably because their nation arose during the hellenic revival. They were also the first to read Greek with a truly critical eye, as opposed to skipping the parts that didn't fit in with contemporary religion
I notice in both this thread and elsewhere that people tend to mention a specific God that they feel a particular connection to and to whom they will often create a shrine. But do you also worship any of the other Gods besides that one?
>>18017863Do any of these cringe boomers actually believe in it or is it just a costume party for sex
>>18019080Aww thanks anon I post up stuff I'm making here on r//hellenism and in a discord (the discord I'm trying to make is dead AF unfortunately).I'll eventually post up a completed version eventually in one of these threads, I don't 4chan much these days since the site is different than when I started (2006) but I do lurk some threads and boards.If this ends up looking good im gonna build another one for Sol Invictus and bring it down to my state capital for the holiday displaysSomeday I would like to have a pagan/polytheist equivalent to rhe Pastafarian/temple of Satan movements in that id really like people to start fighting for their rights in school board and town meetings and I'm tired of the Christians walking all over us. My final straw was seeing the Christians flip their shit at a priestess who did an invocation before business as a town meeting when an invited prayer from a Christian is the norm
>>18020098Oh sorry forgot to ad it do a lot of charity drives and stuff like that through work and whenever I do I always donate it under the name I made up for my little hellenic clique
>>18020057 I doubt they are having sex costume parties, they honestly seem pretty conservative by western pagan/polytheists standardsI think they genuinely are hellenists i can't say whether they are more fundamentalist, progressives, deists or what
>>18017819Are there any animal sacrifices?
>>18019852Yeah, i don't know how you even choose a patron god. Like sure, you like some God and align with him, so you choose him. Now what? You sacrifice and pray to him and he talks to you?
>>18020149I'm not sure what this matters. The sacrifice is a portion of what you take, and many thought that sacrificing living beings was crude.
>>18020149Yes but you should read what animal sacrifices are thanks to Prometheus loving makind.
>>18020188Well think about it like thisYou a mere mortal with mortals senses are trying to commune with a divine being most likely beyond your imagination.So yeah choose what you know and what effects your life.I often come back to the idea of Catholics worshipping their god by studying the world. When the Jesuits found the Big Bang as an idea they thought they were marveling at the beauty of creation and in some ways studying the divine. I actually kind of agree with them we are all a part of the natural world. The divine are above and beyond it but we see the shadow they cast in the world by taking in creation.In the other thread I tried explaining the concept of the "human shaped hole" of perception. I'll try to make a screen shot next time I write it out with a diagram to make it easier.But yeah you are basically giving thanks to the cosmos/higher power/patron god for existence. Don't expect a response, this is you communing with a higher power not having a conversation with a buddy. Personally I do think this stuff should be a bit introspective and meditative but thats just me I can't tell you how to pray
>>18020277>When the Jesuits found the Big Bang as an ideaIt just really irritates me that they claim they came up with it when it clearly shows up in a myriad of Greco-Roman texts. FFS, anyone that reads the first two pages of Ovid realizes that Catholics were just plagiarizing.
>>18017895>polytheism leads to poop godsHindus aren't polytheists.
>>18020098>the discord I'm trying to make is dead AF unfortunatelyI would ask to join it, because I've been wanting to have access to a group of Hellenists, but posting a link here is just asking for a raid.>My final straw was seeing the Christians flip their shit at a priestess who did an invocation before business as a town meeting when an invited prayer from a Christian is the normTo be fair, going out of your way to be special and express your weird niche interests and beliefs is setting yourself up for people getting angry and causing a problem. You're specifically choosing not to fit into society and doing something the general population sees as either overtly wrong or, at the very least, weird and stupid. The idea of doing that is absolutely retarded and these things should be kept to yourself, not roping people in a fucking business meeting into it. Not to bring up /pol/ shit, but it's like trannies who don't pass insisting people call them ma'am and then getting upset when the average person gets annoyed.
>>18020149Animal sacrifices are outdated because food, for the general population, is not at all as valuable as it once was. In an agrarian society, sacrificing your best bull to a god meant a lot, because that's one less bull you could slaughter and feed the people with. Same thing with offering food and drink, because the ancients didn't have grocery stores full of an uncountable number of food items, nor did they have factory farms which mass produced food. Food exists in absolute abundance today, to the point that there is an obesity epidemic. It has very little extrinsic value anymore. Now, to speak on the symbolic and intrinsic value of such a thing is different.
>>18019852I'm the schizo Athena poster. I think it's important to have a "patron" god who affects you on a more personal, existential level, and other gods which allow you to more further reach your potential in various aspects of your life. Other gods which one is not as connected to are paid their due respect when applicable, for instance, I invoke and praise Hestia at the beginning and end of every formal prayer ceremony, because it is she who facilitates the connection between Man and God. I also respect Zeus as the king of the ordered, manifest world, but I don't exactly pray to him actively. At any rate, I came upon Athena through an entire life of looking up to and idolizing characters who fit into the "warrior woman" archetype, first fictional characters, then real saints and heroes, and finally her. I have not read Proclus, but I am aware of his concept of gods having "series", which is their chain of symbols, daimons, and even souls. I believe to have a patron god is to belong, in some capacity, to their series. Based on my personality, I have always been an analytic person, I try to learn and do many things, and I have gone through many times in my life in which I had to conquer horrible fears and traumas. Athena's wisdom, polymetis, and the way she inspires heroes in mythology all resonate with me on an emotional level. That's why I consider her my patron. As for other gods I worship or invoke routinely, there is Hermes, who I engage with for language learning, fitness, and my financial studies; Aphrodite, for things pertaining to beauty, like skincare and makeup and stuff; and Apollon, for my creative endeavors. Of these three, the one I've mostly engaged with is Hermes, mostly because I prefer to learn more about a god before I officially worship them, and I've yet to read any books on the others.By having a patron god and a personal cult, you can create a personal philosophy, lifestyle, and a tradition which can be passed down to your children.
>>18020391>>18020391>To be fair, going out of your way to be special and express your weird niche interests and beliefs is setting yourself up for people getting angry and causing a problem.People should be respectful of each other's beliefs in a secular republic with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Personally I think religion has no place in publicly owned buildings but we live in a world where this does happen so until they are also barred I want a place at the table>You're specifically choosing not to fit into society and doing something the general population sees as either overtly wrong or, at the very least, weird and stupid. The idea of doing that is absolutely retarded and these things should be kept to yourself, not roping people in a fucking business meeting into it. Yes and noI dont choose to be one of the few Hellenists and I'm very clearly trying to change that not by actively or forcefully making people believe. I do demand that if they are going to use a space paid for with my tax dollars to advertise I will as well as is my right.>Not to bring up /pol/ shit, but it's like trannies who don't pass insisting people call them ma'am and then getting upset when the average person gets annoyed.HahahahaHere's my stance if you're gonna teach about Christianity and Hellenism in school I dont want one to be called dogma and the other to be called mythology. If you're gonna call for a prayer before a congressional meeting to the Abrahamic god I'm gonna want an achnowledgement to my Gods also. I'm thoroughly done with this Abrahamic (lets be real, Christian) hegemonic shit where they get everything they want all of the time, they get to force their religion in everywhere and if we want a seat at the table they get to call us demon worshippers, it's ridiculous
>>18020453I understand where you're coming from, I suppose I just think there needs to be some level of self awareness with these things. I can absolutely agree, though, that I am as anti-Abrahamic (I prefer to call it Judaic, though). Judaic thought has, for two thousand years, absolutely raped European culture and turned it into a meek, insular, misogynistic, and violent slave to its Jewish overlords. America wasn't even founded on Christianity, its founders were Masons and, largely, deists, only the people which came here from England were religious, puritanical schizos who worship Yahweh and Jews. When people talk about Jewish subversion in conspiracy theories, that can apply to banks, academia, science, whatever, but the root of it all, the REAL subversion, is the way Judaic thought has corrupted Europe through the vector of Christianity.However, it's never going to recover and it certainly won't go back to how it was before, and the average person barely understands religion, let alone their own religion, and you can forget about understanding other religions, ESPECIALLY something as niche and schizo as Hellenism or Asatru. Likewise, I just don't bring it out into the open. I would never tell anyone except a close friend that I am a Hellenic Platonist, just as how I wouldn't so readily talk about fetishes or political beliefs. Maybe that's just because I'm not very confrontational.
>>18018083>>18018093>>18018133>>18018153Are there even any good online groups for Hellenism that isn't full of the "unsavory types"? btw I breed moths and butterflies and give my perfect specimens as an offering.
>>18020486>>18020486Ah /pol/theism Yeah not into that, my clique is extremely explicit on a few things>We are all children of the GodsWe should all treat each other like it>The Gods are queer People being LGBTQ is a reflection of that>people should be able to discuss the nature of the GodsI'm totally fine with deists, fundamentalist or literalists, revivalists and reformers we should all be able to share a temple and worship together or break bread>Religion and the state should not mixWhile I love Julian its impossible to look past his failures and the damage of trying to create a one size fits all polytheism with the state
>>18020519The Sanctum Hermeticum discord server is what helped me get into Platonism proper, and I like discussing things there from time to time. I can't comment on the other people there, but the Platonists all seem very reasonable and normal people. Otherwise, not that I know of. Paganism itself attracts these kinds of people because they naturally become disillusioned from Christianity because they either grow up in households with religious retards (which is not at all representative of proper Christians) or are some form of genderspecial leftist, which is naturally incongruent with Christianity. >>18020551The big point I'll always hammer home and that I can agree with you on is that I believe Judaic thought perpetuated an explicit form of homophobia which did not exist in ancient times and is completely antithetical to human behavior. Apollon had male lovers, for example. While ancient people may have been homophobic for cultural reasons, I don't think it was integral to their spiritual beliefs, unlike in Christianity. Becoming a traditionalist and Hellenist ended up making me, ironically, much more open to homosexuals and transsexuals. On the topic of the latter, lots of things existed in ancient times that could be likened to transsexuality, and there are countless myths involving people changing sex.I will commend you on your openness. I think we need things like that to allow people to become less hostile towards traditional religion (don't like the term pagan) as a whole.
>>18020519I dont advertise my discord directly on here because >>18020486 I dont want people who are only into Hellenism to hate on others.People like this are kinda the pagan equivalent to trad cath kids, honestly I think a lot of people that used to get into polytheism for this reason are largely swapping to Christian cults now like the trad caths but if you can hold your nose there are some nice folks on r//hellenism and from there you can probably find some local groups I'm checking out paganfest in Chicago on the 28thI really really want to get together a group of like 20-40 or more people together in a park for a meet and greet and then spin it off into regular meetings and maybe group celebrations and worshipThats probably a project for next year though.
>>18020559>The big point I'll always hammer home and that I can agree with you on is that I believe Judaic thought perpetuated an explicit form of homophobia which did not exist in ancient times and is completely antithetical to human behavior. Definitely agree with you there but I think it is less Abrahamism than a problem with monotheism in general it really always leads back to the "one language, one religion, one kingdom (of god) and one ruler" which always has fit in with more reactionary and nationalistic ideas. I think homophobia and sexism just come naturally when you're spinning in those currents.>Apollon had male lovers, for example. While ancient people may have been homophobic for cultural reasons, I don't think it was integral to their spiritual beliefs, unlike in Christianity. Becoming a traditionalist and Hellenist ended up making me, ironically, much more open to homosexuals and transsexuals> On the topic of the latter, lots of things existed in ancient times that could be likened to transsexuality, and there are countless myths involving people changing sex.We are in agreement here and I'm happy it has made you more open minded>I will commend you on your openness. I think we need things like that to allow people to become less hostile towards traditional religion (don't like the term pagan) as a whole.Thank you and I for one really appreciate your tone and the conversation we have had while we disagree on some core issues I am glad we could talk
>>18020395I raise goats, my parents force me to, since im a neet bum.Anyway.The meat of my goats is a lot better and I actually like the goat kids, they are cute and nice. To look at, not smell or raise. But still.Wouldn't sacrificing one of them be more useful, because I actually herd them daily and have some sentimental value to me? What about human life?NTA
>>18020435Yeah, I get having a patron God. I have a particular fondness for Apollo and Herakles. The former because I'm only religious in the first place because of some premonitory dreams I've had, I believe music to be particularly sacred to all the Gods, and because I'm a fag that considers the male form to be the closest incarnation of divine beauty possible in this world. The latter because I have anger issues and associate many of the things that exacerbate them with the hydra (trying to attack them head on makes them worse).I was just curious how other people think of the other Gods. In particular, I often default to thinking about Jupiter in contexts relating to divine will and authority. And I wonder how much of that has to do with his actual theological position and how much is influence from the monotheistic culture I was raised in.
>>18020596Your post is why Hellenism is so compelling: it has answers for every walk of life. Christians will fume at what you're saying, jews moreso, because they don't know how to fit someone like you into their little box. With Hellenism every person is free to rise into who they feel they are and temper themselves the way that fits them.
>>18020590Here is something to help you understand what a sacrifice actually looks likehttps://foodanddining.omeka.net/exhibits/show/sacrificial-food/the-sacrificial-share/prometheus-and-the-sacrificialI personally wouldn't slaughter them for the sake of it
>>18017819Does anyone have any good guides on making traditional roman or Greek robes?
>>18021649>>18021649you are not of Greek ancestry, JaQuavis Sanchez Pizzaconi
>>18017819It's dead. It's just larping. monotheism won.
>>18021829Basically this. And aside from the Egyptians, none of the pagan religions had much of an afterlife worth living. That’s part of what sped the adoption of Christianity. Life here is shitty, but if you’re good there’s actually a better place. It sold tickets.I could see something like Shinto catching on with some people. But this stuff is just cosplay. No one really believes in the gods of western paganism.
>>18021756Are you a jew?>>18021832You niggers believe in an afterlife so horrific that you have to create logical fallacies in your religion to try and argue that your "god" isn't evil for subjecting people (particularly children) to it.
What would be the proper offerings to a chthonic God of prophecy, knowledge, health, fertility, Lord of the Underworld and Keeper of Souls? It would be my first time interacting with the divine, raised Catholic but never much cared for it. I'm planning on visiting a barrow and staying the night there, keeping a open heart to see if He actually calls me to Him. So far, I think I'll offer a small clay votive figure of a boar (wolves, crows and serpents are also associated with Him, but boar figures dominate the archeological record), some bread, homemade liquor, some incense to burn, maybe some roasted chestnuts from my garden. Any suggestions?
It's increadibly cringe.Ancient Greek Gods only live on in erotic romantasy boons for women.I don't want my religion to be that.
>>18022218You mean Hades? https://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Haides.htmlhttps://www.theoi.com/Cult/HaidesCult.htmlI have no idea how such a thing would work. The only thing I know about praying to chthonic deities is that you bury their offerings and beat the ground so that they can "hear" you. I want to offer to a chthonic deity, most likely Hermes Psychopompos, because the ceremonial details seem like it'd evoke a really strong feeling. I don't think I've ever banged the ground before.
>>18021756I'm Sicilian but go on
>>18023311>You mean Hades?No, He's neither Hellenic, Roman, Germanic, Slavic or Celtic.>The only thing I know about praying to chthonic deities is that you bury their offerings and beat the ground so that they can "hear" you.I know about the burying of offerings, that's what I plan to do, didn't know about the banging on the ground. The prayer to a chthonic God is also supposed to be be whispered and your palms turned down.
>>18023510Hades is Hellenic.... Pluto is Roman.... Dispater is possibly Etruscan... They're all IE.
>>18017819"Rabbinic Judaism" and "Modern Hebrew" are total LARPs and the "Reformed" Jews even have Lady Rabbis now. Plus, there's waaaay more written and physical material from Ancient Greece than anything "Jewish", or even "Christian". All it takes if folks willing to act like True Hellenes. Sadly, that doesn't really seem to be the case. They're still too infected with the Hippie-Jesus pacifist brain rot, rather than being in touch with their TRVE warrior/Odinic spirit. Their ancestors weren't cucks. They are.
>>18019132FN and arguably Tolkien were the last great "German" classical philologists. While JRRT was Catholic, he also admitted that the first time he put his head in the "Iliad", it never really came out again. He knew he could never be "Pagan", but he could hear it coming on the horizon, like Rosey Fingered Dawn herself.
>>18024527>All it takes if folks willing to act like True HellenesAnon, fucking young boys is illegal in most of the world, now. Truly, we must Revolt Against the Modern World™In all seriousness, though, what exactly do you mean? >rather than being in touch with their TRVE warrior/Odinic spiritEverything isn't about unga bunga murdering shit. I think more true to the spirit of the Ancient Greeks is to have a more spiritually philosophical approach to life. Platonism is literally RIGHT THERE, yet no one has made a modern Academy. Also, this isn't to say that a warrior ethos cannot be part of a philosophical outlook, don't get me wrong.
