>bro miracle of Fatima had HUNDREDS of witnesses dude
>>18021132Whose to say they didn’t?
There's literally pictures of the marian apparition at zeitoun, stop being stupid.
>>18021132>literal who nigger xitter screencapkill yourself
Da Rapsha! Eat iz hapeninonPorofet Joshua was right!
>>18021264you don't know what you're seeing, but you believe you comprehend
>>18021132The Vatican follows a strick 3-phase study before declaring a miracleFirst is trying to discern if there is a natural explanation or a fraudulent scheme behind the act. Who benefits from it is the biggest questionIf it passes, the second stage beginsDoes it contradict the dogmas of the ChurchIf it does, then chances are, it is from the devil and therefore must be suppressedIf it still passes, then the final stage beginsWait and SeeIf it leads to idolatry, then it is suppressedIf it leads to Christ, then it is finally confirmed
Project Blue Beam is on
>>18021264>>18021438marian apparitions always lead to idolatry, so by the pope's own definition they must be from the devil
>>18021132At Fatima there were secular journalists and all sorts of ahteists and they saw it.
>>18021451> Idolatry That would be sacrificing animals or offering food before engraved idols
>>18021451Every single Marian apparition was a *warning* about an upcoming tragedy of great magnitudeSometimes, she even speaks the exact dateOur duty is to prepare accordingly
>>18021465>the only way to worship is to offer animals or food to the being in questionso how many animals do you sacrifice to god in mass? or are you not really worshipping there
>>18021480Worship is expression of religious feeling. idolatry is a transaccional proposal
>>18021499>>18021465That's not how the Catechism of the Catholic Church defines idolatry
>>18021438>If it leads to idolatry, then it is suppresseddefine idolatry.
>>18021524Easy: to worship anything but the makerTo worship is to put it above your life and dedicate everything for it.To worship an idol is to worship things that are bound to this world. Be it fame, fortune, power, pleasure, or lineage. Anything that is of the flesh and metal is an idolAll that you can take with you is the spirit. Everything else will lead to damnation
>>18021544>To worship is to put it above your life and dedicate everything for it.okay now give me an example of this in practice in real life.
>>18021553HollywoodPoliticsBanking
>>18021585in religion, please.define "dedicate everything"recall, say, Odysseus burning ox tongues to Poseidon. that's not "dedicating everything"so, is Poseidon not an idol?
>>18021588Dedicating your life to it means that your entire life revolves around being on good terms with it, even if it costs you everything elseSacrificing time meant for the Lord in exchange for material wealth is idolatrySacrificing the truth and good graces with the Lord in exchange for reputation is idolatrySacrificing the Lord's plans for you, just so you could remain in a state of comfort and pleasure, is idolatryMerely sacrificing animals means nothingEven Abraham did thatIt is what you do with your life that speaks for your soul
>>18021592>Merely sacrificing animals means nothingSo... Poseidon isn't an idol? Or he is? >Even Abraham did thatare you even Catholic? are you casting aspersions against Abraham?
>>18021438Padre Pio looks fraudish to me. The whole case around his stigmata is very suspicious. Not to mention their comical round shape contrary to any actual wound inflicted by nails.Not disbelieving miracles or anything, nor the case for the Catholic Church, just Padre Pio in particular.
>>18021544disocunt Rei
>>18021132Christ is king.Void worshippers always follow self destruction.Hook noses are satan's chosen people
>>18021264There are pictures of Jesus, Ozzy Osborne, and Charlie Kirk in evangelical heaven. Catholicism debunked.
>>18021264>>18021469How come the major Marian apparitions for masses of people stopped happening at all now that we could record videos of them?
>>18021600Poseidon is a false god, not an idolWorship of him will lead to idolatry eventually, but he, by himself, is not an idol
>>18021132>>18021264reminds me of that one account of the piraha tribe from the amazon in which they supposedly saw a spirit of some sort by a river, took the anthropologist living with them and his daughter to see it, at which point they claimed they saw nothing, yet the piraha kept insisting that the spirit was right in front of themmust be the same kind of extreme mass hysteria/mass hallucination phenomenon
>>18021132There where people at fatima that said they saw nothing and the prophecies that were given all failed; mass hysteria is a core component of religion
>>18022126Happens in cult environments all the time. True believers of Order of the Solar Temple still claimed that they really saw apparitions of the Holy Grail during their rituals even after one of the ex-members publicly admitted they were faked and showcased how it was done. Those true believers would eventually go all the way to murders and mass suicide.
>>18021469>In 1610, Our Lady of Good Success warnedFake and gay. The text is from the 20th century.
>>18021132>>Africans>>Doesn't state which countryI'm calling fake.
>>18022309Probably South Africa, it is where this newest rapture prediction was originally made.Makes it just more absurd how white tiktok evangelicals went so nuts about it, since the whole prediction was just a random South African pastor saying it was revealed to him in a dream and a vision.
>>18022245Translated to EnglishThe Spanish manuscript was 17th century
>>18021948Akita says that it would be her last apparitionJudgement day is probably coming soon
>>18022398>The Spanish manuscript was 17th centuryLiterally doesn't exist.
>>18022400>Judgement day is probably coming soonTwo more weeks!
>>18022418I am honestly praying that it doesn'tLet people have more time to repentMy personal theory is that it would happen in 500-1000 years. When everyone is well-aware of who Jesus is and can appear in his court, with eyes opened and an explanation for their actions
>>18022400>a dog saidTalking snakes, now talking dogs.
>>18022416yes it does.The original title was ' La Mujer y la Monja Extraordinaria'Our Lady of Good Success was approved by all bishops in Quito since 1611's
>>18022428Our Lady of Akita, numbnutsIt practically prophesized a day where every Cardinal will fight Cardinal. Which is exactly what occurred during Pope Francis' reign
>>18021544>what is Mary worship
>>18022430>organization with infighting will have a period of infighting in the futureWhoa!
>>18022430>practically
>>18022523Her prophecy was:Cardinals fighting cardinalsChurches and altars sackedCompromises within the church's teachingsMass resignation of priestsThis was a prophecy given to a Buddhist woman who was later on healed of her deafness
>>18021264What does Marius have to do with anything?
>>18022400Nigga Christians were saying Judgement Day is coming soon since the fucking beginning of the religion
>>18022430Wrath. Apologise to me and repent or burn.
>>18023624Yes, and that's by designRather stay on edge and be ready than be complacentP.SThe Church teaches to worry only about your own judgement dayAnd trying to figure out a date for Christ's return is a sin
>>18023334Healing is much more impressive, desuThis is what's so dumb. You believe in actual literal miracles, you should be able to show thoseBut they're just made-up, so you cannot do that.
>>18023684RetardThe Japanese TV broadcasted the statue crying live for millions of JapaneseI'll probably search for it laterThe tears were sampled and tested to be from a human>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAibJARAnGwYou want a public miracle in the modern age?Here is your public miracle in the modern age
>>18022400>it would be her last apparitionBut she appeared as a will o'wisp over Egyptian churches again two more times in the 2000s? Why did she lie in Japan?
>>18023804I checked. It was not her "last"Just her last apparition for the woman> Today is the last time that I will speak to you in living voice. From now on you will obey the one sent to you and your superior... I alone am able still to save you from the calamities which approach
>>18023754gullible retard
>statue crying bloodof all the things an all-powerful God could dowhy would you expect him to do THAT? Cause a statue to cry blood what even is the theology here?
>>18024079A man can rise from the dead and you'll still say bullshit
>>18024085It's a call for repentanceMary wanted everyone to pay attention to the sufffering that the martyrs have endured, trying to prevent the Lord from inflicting his chastisement
>>18024110Proof?
>>18021438BasedProud to be Catholic.
>>18021132>african>protestants
>>18024436Christianity is predominantly an African religion.
>>18024113how is a statue crying blood accomplishing that?
>>18021132You're not convincing me that Christianity won't be majority black by the end of the century. I still don't understand how Christoan Nationalists, who try to turn it into the 'white' religion, don't see this. Give it up already, guys
>>18024436yes.
>>18024510The whole world will eventually become Christian.Christianity grows tremendously in times of strife. Every place suffers strife, eventually.
>>18024487Well, it got international coverage, didn't it
>>18024535That's nice, there's also war everywhere, so I guess that Odinism will rule the world one day
>>18024549Every pagan belief is bound to die because its entire dogma runs on worship of the elite and blaming the poor for their situationChristianity speaks of the exact opposite - blessed are the poor, and the rich men find great difficulty in reaching heavenChristianity panders overwhelmingly towards the poor - the 95%. it is bound to take over, whether you like it or not
>>18024568>Every pagan belief is bound to die because its entire dogma runs on worship of the elite and blaming the poor for their situationNo it doesn't, where did you get that from? Also, Abrahamic religions are pretty much the inventors of victim blaming, just read the book of Job
>>18024571The pagan heirarchy areKings and Emperors at the topFollowed by PriestsThen MechantsThen FarmersThen SlavesThe justification for your situation is brought about by your previous karma, feng shui, or sacrifices. It's all your faultIt was Christianity that told you that all are equal in the eyes of God. And one must have faith in his plansJob is about unrighteous suffering because God has a plan.Every prophet suffered unrighteous sufferingThe very messiah is right on the cross.Christainity's message is clear - if you are good, you are bound to suffer unrighteously. But you have to do it anyway because your blood shall be the cure for this wicked worldThis is a message that no pantheon of false gods can ever replicate
>>18024581>heirarchymy hierarchy is:+ people who can spell+ people who cannot
>>18021132And photographers present. Somehow they don't capture anything miraculous. Granted, you can argue it was just too bright. But still.Mass psychogenic illness is real and I doubt staring at the sun for extended periods of time is particularly good for any part of you, especially your eyes.>>18021469Apparition at Fatima was wrong though. Said that the pope at the Time would live to see a new world war but he died a few months before.>>18022400She has, according to the Catholic Church, appeared at least four times after that. Why is Mary consistently making bad calls?>>18024436A large part, if not most, of African Christians are protestant.
>>18024581>be murdered>your murderer rapes your wife and enslaves your children>your murderer replaces you woah great plan there God
>>18024581>The pagan heirarchy are>Kings and Emperors at the top>Followed by Priests>Then Mechants>Then Farmers>Then SlavesAnd the Christian hierarchy merely swapped the kings and priests around, while liberalism merely put the merchants on top. I really don't see how either of those are revolutionary
>>18024632Priests in Christianity aren't "special"They live amongst the common folk just as Jesus didEven Bishops and Cardinals live humble lives. The rich ones are criticized, if not condemnedThis is really revolutionary because most high priests are secluded, and just talking to them requires that you are of great importance
>>18024642
>>18021264Those photographs are doctored, unfortunately.
>>18021425This was edited to reflect what witnesses saw. It's not an undoctored photo
Guadalupe is at least as impressive an apparition as Fatima because it's left physical evidence behind that has clearly supernatural elements to it.The tilma should have rotted away to nothing centuries ago, yet here it is still fully intact almost 500 years later. It's also survived a bomb attack.You go see it today, the colors are particularly bright and vivid, unusual for such an old piece of cloth and an old image.
>>18024656Most Cardinals live in apartments in Rome or monasteries nearbyThe Pope resides in a different place, for protection. Not luxury
>>18024680>The tilma should have rotted away to nothing centuries ago, yet here it is still fully intact almost 500 years later.Probably because it has been diligently preserved?
>>18024686It's made from Agave. Those things rot in 20 yearsNo amount of 15'th century preservation would ever suffice.
>>18024632>>Kings and Emperors at the top>>Followed by PriestsSometimes kings and emperors were also priests and even gods.
>>18024656Attacking the Church for its grandiose cathedrals doesn't make senseIt's a PUBLIC infrastructure. It benefits everyone, not just someone.>6 vNow when Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper,1 7 a woman came up to him with an alabaster flask of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he reclined at table. 8 And when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, “Why this waste? 9 For this could have been sold for a large sum and given to the poor.” 10 But yJesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me. 12 In pouring this ointment on my body, she has done it to prepare me for burial. 13 Truly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is proclaimed in the whole world, what she has done will also be told in memory of her.”
>>18024537You know what would be even better?If God used his superpower to heal all the deaf people in JapanInstead of causing a stone statue to cry
>>18024696>It's made from Agave. Those things rot in 20 yearsevidently notwhat a dumb premise
>>18024680This would be vastly more impressive if they let outside observers actually test the magic cloth. But they don't. Some of the testimony is centuries old from people who were at the very least passively motivated to lie about it.And the actual events regarding the Tilma and the apparition are also suspicious. The Virgin appears in front of a Bishop who doesn't actually write a single word about it despite being the most notable thing that can happen to a Catholic second only to having a vision of Christ himself.
>>18024642>Priests in Christianity aren't "special"lollmaoplease, my sides can only take so much
>>18024809Btw, Guadalupan Cultists (in the archaic sense of the term, as in, they honor the thing) make up the stupidest fucking lies. Like the NASA studying the image and concluding it's magic. Funniest part of that story to me is how I may somewhat accurately pinpoint how it was composed.
>>18024816They have a salary of $2 a month, bitch
>>18024809> if they let outside observers actually test the magic cloth??????
>>18024840What you just quoted is an AI summary produced from training data found on the internet. Training data that is, as it happens, chiefly from Catholic and Guadalupanist sources with a few tabloids and lightly researched fluff pieces interspersed around. These sources do claim that the Magic Cloth is magic—unsurprisingly. And that it has a body temperature, is painted with music in mind, etc etc.IE: Gemini AI's opinion on the matter is worthless.
>>18024861uh huh
>>18024861>the heckin' AI is an atheist like me, i swear! just give it the right atheist data and it'll spout my own opinions!
>>18024865Incredulousness is not an argument.>>18024868Nigger, the AI doesn't have beliefs. It just regurgitates its training data. And it just so happens that the vast majority of data on the Virgin of Guadalupe availiable online comes from the standpoint that the miracle was real and the tilmahtli is in fact magic, so it's going to write that. There just isn't a cottage industry of Fedoratards trying to deboonk Mexico's favourite magic trick, talk about the Tilma is almost exclusively catholic patter with some genuine research.Btw if you genuinely take into account whether LLMs agree with it to asses the truth value of a proposition you are cattle. No matter what position the LLM takes; it could confirm all my beliefs, still irrelevant and worthless.
>>18021627The only miracle padre pio di It It was to make a lot of money from idiots
>>18024907i am not arguingThe research exists and that's it - the AI merely summarized itPSAccusing a scientific community with fraud is serious accusation. Their entire business runs on credibility. If one turned out fraud, then everything they ever made shall be seen with suspicionSo, shut it.Publish a study disproving it than accuse them of fraud
You seriously think scientists would largely ignore the magic painting they got down in Mexico if there was anything to it?There would be massive money and fame in discovering a miracle (for realizes). It's such a simple litmus test, and you're failing it. If there ever was anything to this stuff, why aren't people up in arms to investigate it?
Christians are fucking retarded
>>18025502god still loves you
>>18025483Whatever money you can make from a fraud is entirely worthless compared to the business continuingIf a lab was found to be falsifying documents, they would be sued, and lose their license.So shut it
>>18025532Why are you telling me this? What does this have to do with my postspell out your point
>>18021480>so how many animals do you sacrifice to god in mass? or are you not really worshipping thereWe sacrifice a lamb. Also, if you think there is no sacrifice going on during a Mass you shouldn't be discussing it in the first place. Stop broadcasting your ignorance to the world.
>>18021264>>18021425>>18023804This shows that either Christianity, specifically Coptic Christianity, is real, judging by how much the virgin mary likes to appear so clearly to copts in particular, or there's some kind of unexplained natural phenomenon in Egypt that makes lights show up in the sky once every few decades, like swamp gas or some shit
>>18021264
>>18025744>the magic bread is totally a guy that diedDelusional
>>18025433There are very few studies, most of those are old, and they are somewhat unrigorous. The only confirmed analysis of the fabric was done in 1939 using two threads purportedly from the Tilma. Which weren't even directly sourced from the church but through a telephone game of guys.All the other studies are just people staring at it.>Accusing a scientific community with fraud is serious accusation.Well I'm not saying it is fraud. Just that their biases may incline them to otherwise ignore or neglect possibilities a non-catholic researcher may not desert so fast. Likewise, them wanting to fervently think it is real may make their mind play tricks on them. Btw a lot of people making the claims aren't researchers, just people who really like Mary. Like that bogus rumour about NASA studying the magic cape.
>>18022126>reminds me of that one account of the piraha tribe from the amazon in which they supposedly saw a spirit of some sort by a river, took the anthropologist living with them and his daughter to see it, at which point they claimed they saw nothing, yet the piraha kept insisting that the spirit was right in front of them>must be the same kind of extreme mass hysteria/mass hallucination phenomenonmore than interesting that is spooky
>>18024621>A large part, if not most, of African Christians are protestantno wonder africa is in a bad state
>>18024581>The pagan heirarchy are>Kings and Emperors at the top>Followed by Priests>Then Mechants>Then Farmers>Then SlavesRetard. that's the URBAN Heirarchy. PAGANS lived outside of cities in the pagus (villages, farms)URBANS adopted christianity so well because it is a religion of city folk. "poor people" are only a thing in the parasiting cities meaning that pagans had no reason to convert. 70% of the roman empire was pagus.the only reason urban and pagan aren't used imstead of urban and rural is because the empire demonized the villagers and anyone outside the empire
>>18024642>Even Bishops and Cardinals live humble lives. So fucking true. Norberto Rivera is the most austere man I have ever known of. Remember that time he attempted to sell the rights of the Virgen of Guadalupe to a private company for 12 Million Peso? (Viotran)
>>18027075There was corruption in the Church since the Apostles. David's house was corrupted as soon as he died, in factSo what?
>>18021132Africans have low IQ
