>btfos the dutch in battle>re-establishes the golden age of piracy which the stuarts had ended>western plan leads to the conquest of jamaica and anglo dominance in the carribeanWhy is he remembered for le civil war when cromwell's lasting legacy was the expansion of the british empire? why does nobody talk about this?
The man who made England briefly a republic and slaughtered Catholics in Ireland is more visceral to people than the man whose Western Design secured Jamaica.
Why did Stuart pirates turned financiers propose a central bank to give Scotland control of Panama only for Whigs to steal the idea and create the English empire?
>>18021311We Presbyterians hated Cromwell.
>Why is he remembered for le civil war Because it is from that era that uncontested Protestant Parliamentary supremacy was truly born, caused a huge drop in population, and is the only time in British history when a Republic was attempted.A handful of gains in the Carribbean and a battle against the Dutch doesn't have the same ring to it.
>>18021549>>18022361CopeWhy isn't Cromwell remembered as Elizabeth as somebody who expanded britain's empire and led to a golden age of sea roving? There aren't even that many books on cromwell's western design. it's reduced to a footnote in historyHenry Morgan was a buccaneer who served in cromwells invasions.>>18021557English empire existed long before the 1690s>>18021648Not really. Cromwell liked the presbterians as well
>>18021311Because it requires a degree of historical understanding and reading comprehension that the average person is incapable of
>>18022423>English empire existed long before the 1600sDid it
>>18022593ESL who can't read detectedHow is the 1690s the same as the 1600s?
>>18021311>Why is he remembered for le civil warMuch more unique and kino than a random couple decades in bong colonialism.Sure, he was very successful, but there was nothing unique about his contribution.
>>18022593Depending on how lax you are on nomenclature, sure it was.I mean technically the english empire never existed, but imperialist policies from an England based state long predates the 17th century.
>>18022862The civil war is the most boring part of british 1600s history. it resulted in nothing. the real change happened with the glorious revolutionCromwell's western design is interesting, however. the entire history of colonial britain would be completely changed if the western design had never happened. Without it there is no or a lesser golden age of piracy, no british jamaica, etc
>>18022930>the real change happened with the glorious revolutionWhich wouldn't have happened without the Chad Cromwell proving c*thtards never stood a chance of retaking EnglandPicrelated got into James's court as a direct result of his daddy siding with the Royalists and joining Parliament after Charles's restoration.
>>18021311Because this retard ended up costing Britain the 13 colonies with his parliamentary supremacy
>>18022423>Not really. Cromwell liked the presbterians as wellOh yeah? Then why Cromwell and the Scots fought?
>>18023380>he actually thinks Parliament was the reason the colonies splitLol, lmao even
>>18022930>it resulted in nothingThe new model army and all the political treatises are treasure troves of interesting shit right up my alley, and the general factional shitflinging had all sorts of consequences both on bong literary and religious developments through the 17th century.Just because the only thing you care about are dynastic changes doesn't mean that's all there is to it.
>>18023426Based take
>>18023380This is dumb. The best friends that the colonies had in Britain were the Whigs, who were very much the ideological descendants of Cromwell's Puritans. George III and the Tories were the opposition and the object of the Colonists' ire. Edmund Burke, Charles Fox, and William Pitt were all whigs.>>18023403Parliamentary policies were indeed the reason but the Torie majority was very much aligned with the King as well.
>>18023474>The best friends that the colonies had in Britain were the Whigs, who were very much the ideological descendants of Cromwell's Puritans.This nigga gets it I'm >>18023403 btwJust blaming Parliament generally completely ignores the fact that g*orge effectively forced the colonies break by torturing North's fat ass. Parliament isn't blameless but no one threw more gasoline on the flames than that inbred retard g*orge.
Cromwell wanted England to break into the Spanish monopoly in the Americas. His Western Design was a big colonial campaign against Spain in the Caribbean, not some pirate free-for-all.
>>18021311>saves France and cements the Sun King's rule
>>18024253Cromwell hired buccaneers for his western design, reprinted old broadsides and ballads about francis drake and walter raleigh and his capture of cuba would lead to it being a buccaneer stronghold for over a decade>>18024263only won due to the help of cromwellian BVLLS
>>18023571Yeah George played a big part of it. I think initially there was something of a misunderstanding in the Colonies and they tended to solely blame the Tories, because the King wasn't the front facing man when it came to legislative policy, but he was very involved behind the scenes. Once he made it clear what side he was on after rejecting the Olive Branch petition totally and harshly, they realized whay was what though and that was the final push for them to declare independence. George and the Tories were pretty much in lock step. The Colonists saw themselves as natural Englishmen, on par with those in the motherland. George and the Tories saw them as subjects from a backwater who didn't deserve any more consideration than the French of Quebec or the Indians of the frontier.
>>18024723>George and the Tories saw them as subjects from a backwater who didn't deserve any more consideration than the French of Quebec or the Indians of the frontier.I'll never understand this sentiment because they were simultaneously allowing their Carribean colonies to hold numerous Parliamentary seats. Did g*orge and the rest of the Tory dipshits just not realize that the entire eastern coast of N. America alone would soon be a greater source of wealth than the handful of Carribean islands they were sending countless ships to defend from the French and Dutch? They fought to keep Gibraltar like the entire English Crown depended on it but simultaneously let the fucking continent of North America that they just won supreme control of in the Seven Years War slip through their fingers??
>>18024843Because t*ries are the enemy of britain>tfw no timeline where wilkes, fox and pitt win out in the end and destroy the t*ry menace once and for all and give us a united british american empire
>saves your country from shitty puritan dressing code
>>18025329>loses against the dutch (LMAO)>stops british privateering against the spanish
>>18025337piracy is actually bad
>>18024933>tfw Black Dick Howe never openly rebelled against the King and switched sides I can't believe we missed out on the kino-ality of a British Civil War-tier revolution because only the worst British generals like Lee defected
>>18025329>burns your prized flagship"Niks persoonlijks"
