I love a lot of Catholicism and I spend a lot of my free time researching ecclesiastical primary sources from the Middle Ages, but I hate how to be Catholic I'd need to also believe in a ton of objectively retarded stuff. Like the Miracle of Fatima or running mental gymnastics to shill for the modern Vatican. It's like you have a mixture of 99% pure beautiful water but in order to have it I'd also need to accept the 1% of (possibly diseased) piss. Can't I just have the fucking water by itself?
>>18021591Also their defenses about the popes always being generally correct and legitimate even as they distort the Church into something fundamentally unrecognizable because of Matthew 16:18-19 is very... shaky reasoning to say the best. Approach this with the same rigid logic as one of these great historical theologians.
>>18021591well there's always the other side of the schism (eastern orthodox) and then the copts/assyrians who have weird christology
The only thing you should research is the bible. Read it over and over again
>>18021591I agree with you OP. I’m in the same lane as you. I considered Orthodoxy at some point but the theosis concept does not sit well with me, nor the filioque debate.
>>18021650Yeah I think they're worse.>>18021655I do. You should read historical primary sources and see how much people kept referring to it. Knowledge is good and leads to God, ignorance is demonic and derives from Satan.>>18021659Yeah also Orthodoxy hinges itself so much on Byzantium, like seriously if you go deep into it, and it's just ugh... they were so utterly degenerate and decadent.
The obvious answer is just to become Lutheran. Correct theology on almost everything, maybe barring their unwillingness to pray to saints. I would give the apology to the Augsburg Confession a read.
>>18021591just identify as a pre Vat II Catholic and you'll be fine bro
>>18021674Almost all Catholics would identify me as an evil heretic thougheverbeit (I wouldn't be considered an apostate since I was never baptized into Catholicism to begin with) - and at that point it's like why even bother?
>>18021591Weak bait
>>18021679What's the bait retard? How worthless and stupid are you?
>>18021679I thought I was the only one who noticed
>>18021695>Everyone who disagrees with me is trying to baitBearing false witness is a sin by the way.
>>18021696Shut up you idiot, I'm not even interested in participating in this thread of carrion, but you talk about false testimony and sin, at the same time that you say this>I love a lot of Catholicism >but I hate how to be Catholic I'd need to also believe in a ton of objectively retarded stuffDidn't the supposed source say that it is a sin to mock Christian concepts that have been accepted by the church? It is your right not to believe in some specifically
>>18021700The church has long been corrupted and started throwing in goddess worship in the mother Mary and symbolic cannibalism. The only church that matters is the unification of believers in Christ. We don't need false sacraments.
become reformed
>>18021700What are you even talking about you unhinged schizophrenic? Where?
>>18021591In terms of Christian denominations, Roman Catholicism is ever-developing. You are not allowed to freeze yourself in the early Church Fathers era, or, if you prefer, sometime during the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, or the Early Modern Age. You are required to affirm the two Vatican Councils and their effects on the Roman Catholic Church as a whole. Actual Saints of yore would be derided or even excommunicated by the current iteration of the Catholic Church for some of the beliefs they held, during times such beliefs were within the pale of orthodoxy and orthopraxy. I believe you would be better off attending a more conservative, traditional Lutheran or Anglican congregation, perhaps also called Anglo-Catholic for the latter, than going to your nearest Roman Catholic parish. You want sacraments and an orderly liturgy, but you also want sound doctrines and dogmas, too. Lutherans and Anglicans impose plenty of matters upon their congregants to believe, but they are generally more lenient when it comes to issues such as Mariology and things to do with the Saints, while not rejecting those concepts almost entirely or completely, like many newer Protestant denominations do.
>>18021650The Assyrian churches are not really "Nestorians." Even Nestor himself later came to reject what became known as his namesake heresy, and was accepted by the Church of the East. Basically, they may be closest to the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches, but are somewhat stripped down of their iconography developments, and they adhere to a slightly more Protestant idea of the Saints and Mary, particularly calling the latter Christotokos, or Christ-Bearer, rather than Theotokos, or God-Bearer. Historically, it was thought that God-Bearer was too much, so Christ-Bearer fit more safely as Mary's designation.
>>18021591It is clear that there are numerous problems with modern churches. You should consider just following the ancient church, then, rather than what the imposters today speak of. Read the Bible, the deuterocanonical books, and of the early church's writings.https://ante-nicenechristianity.com
There is no salvation outside the Church isn’t there?
>>18021659>but the theosis concept does not sit well with me, nor the filioque debateThe theosis stuff is way overblown by Western converts. English-language resources make it look like one of the major features of Orthodoxy, yet I have never heard of it once in all my life, despite living in an Orthodox country.t. Orthodox Slav
>>18021837If Church equals all of the authentic Body of Christ, worldwide, no matter which congregation they attend, and no matter which organization that congregation is part of, then yes. If Church is very narrowly defined as the Roman Catholic Church as an institution, or the rather disunited Eastern Orthodox Church, then no. The spiritual Body of Christ, also known as the Church, is what is important, though the man-made and man-led organizational structures could be quite important.
I struggle with this. I stand between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church. On one hand I appreciate actually standing in church compared to sitting which I feel is very formal. I hate singing too, so the less I hear singing during the service the better, which is more popular in Catholicism than Orthodoxy. On the other hand, Catholicism has a stronger monastic tradition and is generally less isolative than Orthodoxy, which is very appealing, especially for thoughts around the future. At the same time I’m not a huge subscriber to papal primacy, but the Orthodox Church in turn is very factionalized and increasingly ethnophyleteistic... Not sure how to proceed frankly. Protestantism is out of the question, so is miaphysitism.
the marian apparitions are optional but acceptable devotions, not requirements as far as the liturgical concerns just find a local FSSP or SSPX practicing parish, there’s one in every town except Charlotte
>>18022426>On the other hand, Catholicism has a stronger monastic traditionLike in most things, Catholicism passes organization as a strength. And to some degree being systemic is a strength, but it is a worldly strength. As an Ortho who reached out to Catholic monks for guidance (because I live in a Catholic country) I can't say I'm spiritually aided by their organizational structures or the fact they have systems upon systems of theological terms and classifications. >Orthodox Church in turn is very factionalized and increasingly ethnophyleteistic...That is true. Though with every new convert this should play a smaller and smaller role.
>>18021665Praying to saints is idolatry. The only one who can answer your prayers is god. Pray to him
>>18021700>Didn't the supposed source say that it is a sin to mock Christian concepts that have been accepted by the church?No. Enjoy burning!
>>18022448Why?
I am theologically in between Orthodoc and Lutheran. I just choose Catholic somewhere in the middle especially the monastics like Benedictines since they are monks and shit, and they resemble somewhere in between Augustinian/Lutheran and Orthodox with the Benedictines, since Catholic means universal and has to encompass all of society including chuddies, trannies and Congolese illiterates. Plus its going to be a Catholic USA soon with JD Vance vs Newsom/Shapiro ticket
Catholicism is the hard way cuz it teaches you to be patient and humbly and grumbling accepting things even if you don’t like it or it doesn’t seem so “cool” or pharisaical like. With the passion of christ and mysteries shit like that, shit is so cash
