The people who brought Indo-European languages and Vedism to India had blonde hair and blue eyes. The reason India today doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes is because they had sex with brown skinned Dravidians for 3500 years. Why is admitting this so controversial? The people of Nuristani people are relics of this ancient Aryan population.
Telling that the gods who were worshipped at the times of the Rigveda (Indra, Varuna, Mitra) are completely different from today's Hinduist gods (Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Ganesha)
>>18022214AASI and East Eurasian ancestry nukes genomes.Rors have more steppe ancestry than Kalash, but Rors look more Onge, while Kalash look more steppe.
>>18022214These aren't Nuristanis. Top-left is a heavily shopped picture of a Kalash woman, top-right is a picture of Tajiks, and bottom-right is a picture of a Kalash woman.
>>18022214The first photo is photoshoped.
>>18022224Vaishnavites claim the Rigveda already hints at Vishnu’s supremacy, even if Indra has more hymns. Indra and Agni are reinterpreted as servants of Vishnu, or devas who temporarily had prominence in ritual but never outranked him metaphysically.Shaivites point to Rigvedic hymns to Rudra (a stormy, fearsome deity with healing powers) and claim Rudra is the early form of Shiva. They’ll argue: the Rigvedic poets used “Indra” or “Agni” or “Varuna,” but the true supreme god being addressed was always Rudra-Shiva in a hidden form.Instead of admitting that Indra or Varuna “lost status,” they’ll usually say 1. Indra/Agni/Varuna were powerful devas, but never supreme. 2. Humans in the Vedic age worshipped them because those forces (rain, fire, cosmic order) were important at that time. 3. Later scriptures reveal the higher truth: Vishnu/Shiva/Devi is supreme, and the Vedic gods were serving them all along.
>>18022229okay you're nitpicking. they're still remnants of a blonde hair blue eyed people who arrived 3000-4000 years ago.
>>18022233Okay you're a disingenuous liar. The entire region of South-Central Asia has people that look like this.
>>18022214>The people who brought Indo-European languages and Vedism to India had blonde hair and blue eyesNo, half of those people had dark eyes and dark hair.
>>18022410that's lighter than french people
>>18022230Wtf compels someone to do that?
>>18022214>Why is admitting this so controversial?Because indian nationalism makes them feel good about themselves but the truth you described makes them feel bad about themselves. People always reject things they don't want to believe, even if they're true.
>>18022224>>18022231Hinduism is different from ancient Vedic religion
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>>18022829>>18022410retarded, it was not Sintashta itself that migrated to India, it was Andronovo
>>18022214Controversial? To whom?
>>18022969andronovo were even lighter
>>180228291)guy's tool is not professional, 2) the results are very different from those obtained with professional tools like HIrisPlex-S 3) even if this were true, they were still relatively "light)
>>18023030Well, he swears up and down that his tool is better than HIrisPlex-S, which although clearly has its problems, mainly in determining the difference between "dark to black" and "in-between" skin.
>>18023030>1)guy's tool is not professionalfair play if it's reply to the guy posting the same tool >>18022410>2) the results are very different from those obtained with professional tools like HIrisPlex-S no, they really aren't, they were as light as modern frenchmen or more
>>18023037Yes, I don't treat HIrisPlex-S as a vector of truth based on SNPs, of course not, but I don't think people should trade ignoring professional results for an amateur tool from a Russian who uses his information from Wikipedia. The intermediate in HIrisPlex-S is "white" skin, almost half of Germany has this tone of love with the program.
>>18023043>sintashta 40% blondeliteral nordics
>>18023043i imagine the blonde and blue eyed nordic looking aktogai conquering iran and forcing the weak iranjeets to serve them
>>18023047I think some people fail to understand that "PaleSkin", the absolute palest tone, is pretty much exclusive to Insular Celts. Ethnicities like Germanics, Balts, and Slavs are intuitively called White without having the palest tone.
>>18023043this post was useless, because my answer is about andrei's tool>noYes, if your interpretation is above the fundamental, you will realize that I am referring to Andronovo, not Sintashta, which is older by almost a thousand years. The study you posted postulates results of clear characteristics almost as high as Icelandic or Central Germanic and even English
>>18023047>tone of loveTone of skin*>>18023060it's also a point to consider, in fact, most Europeans are not really "pale", but would be plotted as intermediate in HIrisPlex-S this is where retards take advantage to make AI reconstructions of ancient people, and we get yamnaya as "dark skin" or other misinterpretations
>>18023066>this post was useless, because my answer is about andrei's toolandrei's tool is irrelevant, the pigmentation of the steppe_mlba is, and they were lighter than modern frenchmen>Yes, if your interpretation is above the fundamental, you will realize that I am referring to Andronovo, not Sintashta, which is older by almost a thousand years. The study you posted postulates results of clear characteristics almost as high as Icelandic or Central Germanic and even Englishandronovo is younger than sintashta by only few centuries, aktogai and maitan are andronovo samples
>>18023059Not happened The last study btfo you. And Steppe_MLBA isn't the source from Central asia
Why do browns hate the fact that the andronovo were blonde nordics so much?
>>18023086>>18023066Sameflag Andrei's tool is superior in several aspects
>>18023088no jeet, steppe_mlba is the ultimate source, it was just mediated through other populations and didn't come to india directly
>>18023098They weren't whiteAlready had 15% bmac, according to various samples
>>18023100nope, you are samefagging like you do in any thread, andrei's tool is irrelevant, hirisplex confirms it too >>18023043 the andonovo were mostly light hairedstop shitting up the thread and talk about the andronovo and stop talking about a youtuber
>>18023101Hasanlu and Dinkha Tepe samples. By 1000bce, these locations were already Iranian, as approved by your big momma Kuz'mina. There's no shred of Sintashta or R1a related ancestry at those sites till the last sample dated 500-600bce. What we instead see is a big chunk of bmac related ancestry and some armenia/catacomb related yamnaya and R1b ancestry. We also see a sample with 20% swat_nosteppe ancestry and another with swat specific L1a2 Y hg.
>>18023106they were white, they plot with northern europeans, they were light as fuck >>18023043 and were craniometrically nordicsyou lost on all fronts, they were literal northern europeans in central asia
>>18023112According to him, whites did not exist until Yakub invented them in Victorian England for the sole purpose of disrupting the eternal golden age of Islam.
>>18023111stop wasting my time with your pajeet shitmodern iranians and south asians have clades that are downstream from andonovo clades, this is not up to discussion, they are the ultimate source of those haplogroups whether they conquered india directly or it was a population mixed with andronovo males is the only thing you could say
>>18023112No, They already had WSHG and BMAC since LBA which occurred when the Western_Steppe_MLBA groups expanded east and south, integrating with local populations derived from WSHG and BMAC.We also have Andronovo samples with 20% Bmac from other sites, the same with some variable WSHG ancestry. In fact, even some Sintashta with WSHG cataloged as _oWhy do you think the samples have distances of up to 0.8 and 0.9 in g25?
>>18023121You didn't refuted anything hereI accept your defeat
The aryans resembled like this
>>18023128there's nothing to refuse, it's just a bunch of stupid shit that only a low iq pajeet retard could even bring upyou have clades that descend from andronovo r1a, you are a rapebaby of steppe_emba whether directly or not
>>18023131Correct, the Vedic sample leaked had almost 20% IVC. They weren't white anymore
>>18023131*the sons of the aryans resembled thisthis sample was literally modeled as half sintashta/andronovo, retard>>18023125outliers and people with a bit of foreign admixture, begone
>>18023131As a result, a Pamiri Tajik is closer to a PIE than a Swede. But the former is not European—in the modern sense. WHG or EEF were also not European—in the modern sense. If it's WSH+EEF+WHG or WSH+EEF, they are "European," but this is obviously not the case.For Iran, the first Iranians to enter the region were similar to the Yaz culture, which is Sintashta+BMAC and similar to the Tajiks. For India, the presence of BMAC ancestry in the Gandhara Tomb samples indicates that it was present in those who brought the languages.Descendants of Proto-Indo-Iranians who went to Iran and India were also not close to modern Europeans, due to their admixture of BMAC (and some ANE-rich Central Asian HG).Sintashta is 70% Yamnaya, and Yamnaya is 70% SS, which is not European in the modern sense. Try making a model using Yamnaya as a source for Europeans... only 0.14 bad distances.
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>>18023142no*** they are _o, there is no need to lie, read the article, and there is this profile already in Andronovo of Kazakhstan.
>>18023142Yes, the aryans who migrated to iran already had more than half iran_N Even tasmola, the proto-Scythians or karasuks had almost 20% east asianOnly sintashta was white
>>18023146As a pamiri, i feel so proud of my aryan heritage ;)
>>18023146>>18023131that sample literally has an andronovo blonde father, pajeets are truly hopeless
>>18023144Meant to everyone here, btw
>>18023164This is not a sign of Europeanism>>18023144
we wuz aryan and shieet
>>18023160>Yes, the aryans who migrated to iran already had more than half iran_NIF they are the source of steppe in india and iran than andronovo is the ultimate source of steppe ancestry in india and iran since those samples got their steppe from andronovo males>>18023149i read the article, there are literally pure andronovo modeled as 100% sintashta in that study, see tarim_lba1
>>18023170pure sintashta and andronovo were extremely similar to modern northern europeans, i never claimed that the rapesons of andronovo/sinstashta were white, only that andronovo/sinstashta were white
>>18023173xinj_west_lba1 too, what's up with browns denying the fact that steppe_mlba was nordic?
>>18023171>Aryan blood going from 100% to 40% from 1500 to 900 BCWho was the retard who made this image?
>>18023173I'm just saying that your claims that Andronovo proper were "pure" are not true. The paper didn't show that they already had not insignificant ancestry from other elements, like bmac or native tarim. New Andronovo samples from Kokei show the same profile. They were already mixed, my point is this: don't confuse me with other guys.
>>18023180Much balkai and bmac
>>18023188i don't deny that andronovo eventually mixed themselves to extinction, my points:1 - before mixing they were very similar to northern europeans2 - south asia and iran have andronovo derived r1a, even if the people reaching india were turbomutts with less than 50% andronovo ancestry, the ultimate source of those haplogroups can be traced back to the andronovo
>>18023193you're confusing xinj_west_lba2 and xinj_west_lba1, xinj_west_lba1 is modeled as 100% sintashta
>>18023198>2 - south asia and iran have andronovo derived r1a70% of Indian R1a is L657+ (Y3), a downstream from Sintashta Z93. Pure Andronovo was z2124 which is about 2% in India. I.e Andronovo were already mutts when they arrived in India.
>>18023212why do you keep repeating this point you pajeet retard? i literally said that i don't care whether andronovo arrived in india in a pure form or admixed, what matters is that the r1a is traceable to them and it is, stop coping and stop trying to counter points i never made
>>18023202The average already had such components
>>18023212Correct >>18023219>what matters is that the r1a is traceable to them and it is, stop coping and stop trying to counter points i never madeYou lost, there's no Andronovo in india
>>180231981) they already had non-Indo-European ancestry since the formation of Andronovo, there are samples from 1900 BC (early Andronovo) with bmac for example.2) Indian R1a is L657
>>18023249>You lost, there's no Andronovo in indiawe dont know but if there is no andronovo in india the sons of andronovo males conquered india
>>18023253>1) they already had non-Indo-European ancestry since the formation of Andronovo, there are samples from 1900 BC (early Andronovo) with bmac for example.they are not full andronovo regardless of their dating>2) Indian R1a is L657it's sintashta/andronovo derived, since it's a subclade of steppe_emba z94 and y3
As i said here>>18023111Steppe_MLBA (Cucktashta or androcope) WASN'T the steppe source in South Asia.steppe_MLBA failed in qpAdm models.See the latest study on Iran, they were confirmed not to have steppe SintashtaThe steppe peoples, related to Sintashta, mixed with those of the BMAC (TKM_IA stands for Turkmen Iron Age), making the population similar to modern TajiksIts over, i won, Europeans lost
>>18023270>they are not full andronovo regardless of their datingSo what exactly is Andronovo? A sample doesn't go uncataloged just because you don't like the results. They are Andronovo and were found in Andronovo sites. And the profile was already present in a 1900 BC sample from Kazakhstan, and we even have some similar Sintashta. Was there an increase? Yes, but the profile was already like that
>>18022214SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR
>>18022214We already have Vedic samples, they resemble something like this
>>18023287>Noooooo they wuz Swedish guys hail wootan nordic 1.90 Another nordic fantasy BTFO'd
>>18022967Indra is a white nationalist
>>18023287>34% Sintashta Kek even those "white" Brazilians have more european ancestry than vedics
>>18022214It is not intended that Adamites should interbreed with pre-Adamites, for the more we interbreed, the more creativity, ancestral memories, and race consciousness disappear. Eventually the nation is so mixed that virtually all possibilities of creating or managing a great civilization have disappeared. This is why Satanic Jews want us to interbreed with the beast races. Because they want to destroy civilization itself.
>>18023283>So what exactly is Andronovo? A sample doesn't go uncataloged just because you don't like the results. They are Andronovo and were found in Andronovo sites. And the profile was already present in a 1900 BC sample from Kazakhstan, and we even have some similar Sintashta. Was there an increase? Yes, but the profile was already like thatnope, andronovo are descended from sintashta, they all have the same steppe_emba profile, the admixed ones are admixed
>>18022214Wignat LARP. You're stealing jeet poop culture because your ancestors were drooling retards who had to be civilized by the Romans.
The brownoids itt are hilarious. Do they really think that they wuz kangs? Surely they know DNA testing proved they're race mixed mutts contaminated with SSA and SEA abbo genetics that causes their brown skin.
>>18023376R1a says hi. We gave you R1a. You didn't give it to us.
>>18023408even anatolia carried the legacy of the aryans
>>18023408R1a arose in Iran.>The genetic divergence of R1a (M420) is estimated to have occurred 25,000 years ago, which is the time of the last glacial maximum. A 2014 study by Peter A. Underhill et al., using 16,244 individuals from over 126 populations from across Eurasia, concluded that there was "a compelling case for the Middle East, possibly near present-day Iran, as the geographic origin of hg R1a"
>>18023394>>18023526Haplogroup R itself arose from Abbo K.>Haplogroup R>Ancestor>P-M45 (P1c, formerly P1), one of the three primary clades of P* (P-F5850)>Haplogroup P also known as P-F5850 or K2b2 is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup in human genetics. P-F5850 is a branch of K2b (previously Haplogroup MPS; P331), which is a branch of Haplogroup K2 (K-M526)>Modern populations with living members of K2b1 all subclades), P* (P-P295*; K2b2*) and P2 (K2b2b) appear to be restricted to Oceania, South East Asia and Siberia.>Basal, un-mutated P1* (K2b2a*; P-M45*), in modern times, is distributed in isolated pockets, over a relatively wide area that includes Island South East Asia>Some Negrito populations of South-East Asia carry next to noteworthy East Asian ancestry, very high levels of K2b at the subclade level. It is carried, for instance, by more than 83% of males among the Aeta (or Agta) people of the Philippines, in the form of K2b1 (60%), P* (P-P295*, a.k.a. K2b2*) and P2 (P-B253; K2b2b)>K2b1 is found in 83% of males of Papua New Guinea, and up to 60% in the Aeta people of the Philippines. It is also found among other Melanesian populations, as well as indigenous Australians, and at lower levels amongst Polynesians. It is also found in the Melanesian populations of Indonesia>Major studies of indigenous Australian Y-DNA, published in 2014 and 2015, suggest that about 29% of indigenous Australian males belong to subclades of K2b1. That is, up to 27% indigenous Australian males carry haplogroup S1a1a1 (S-P308; previously known as K2b1a1 or K-P308) and one study found that approximately 2.0% – i.e. 0.9% (11 individuals) of the sample in a study in which 45% of the total was deemed to be non-indigenous – belonged to haplogroup M1 (M-M4; also known as M-M186 and known previously as haplogroup K2b1d1)
>>18023526outdated trashfirst r1a are from northwest russia from+ 10000 years, it arose in europe or at worse west siberia>>18023530K isn't "abbo" it's early eurasian, abbos have k because they're eurasian rapebabies and it happened 45000 years ago, too ancient to matter
>>18023060Trvke. I am German and I got bullied for my 0 tan white skin tone all the time. The only place where I didn’t stand out that much was Ireland and maybe UK. Most people here and especially in Scandinavia tan hard.
>>18022230Dios mio....
>>18023545Fair hair and light eyes look more striking when the skin is darker
>>18023578Fair skin isn’t even useful or attractive. I would trade for a normal skin tone
>>18023545>>18023578>>18023593posted from a mumbai slum
>>18023601I am whiter than you and I don’t like it.
>>18023539>K isn't "abbo" it's early eurasianHoly cope. K evolved in South Asia.
>>18023530>>18023526>>18023394Haplogroup Rs were hunnic invaders who were also mixed with gypsies but Eurocucks (specially angloids) like to pretend they are some magical white race that somehow descends from a dark skinned southeast asian knuckle draggerLittle wonder they also believe in being descendants of some exiled jews from LebanonThey have haplogroup R-shit for brains :DAnyway they are the reason why most of Euroasians are either average or ugly, chud looking and stupid and delusional.>>18023539Were born this retarded or did you have to put effort in it ?> muh eurasianWhat is that ? is it some kind of race ? are you saying they were hapas ? aren't you basically proving his point ? do you really have to shit up threads with your retarded pilpul ?!Anything that descends from haplogroup K was a swarthy abbo looking squinty eyed barbarian who mixed with humans to blend in, sorry you are a rapebaby .
>>18023612Also: Wignats on here are actively hiding that all European ancestry is female mediated. Not even Haplogroup I1 or I2 is European, and has been spread by Eastern migrants from the Middle East into European women. Proto WHG also known as Proto Aurignacian was formed 50kya via Haplogroup C1a and C1b while Haplogroup IJ split up somewhere in the Caucasus region around 40kya. Which means, there is not even a single "original European“ male lineage, it was "UP European“ which expanded from the Caucasus region that spread Haplogroup I1 and I2 into European women.I (Nordic haplogroup) is the younger brother of J (Middle Eastern haplogroup) because they descended from IJ. Whenever you see an anti-J wignat, remind them of this. They hate this fact.>Haplogroup IJ (M429/P125) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, an immediate descendant of Haplogroup IJK (formerly known as Haplogroup F-L15). IJK is a branch of Haplogroup HIJK.>The immediate descendants of IJ are Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J>Haplogroup I (M170) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ, which itself is a derivative of the haplogroup IJK. Subclades I1 and I2 can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and Southeastern European countries>Haplogroup J-M304, also known as J, is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is believed to have evolved in the Caucasus or Iran. The clade spread from there during the Neolithic, primarily into North Africa, the Horn of Africa, the Socotra Archipelago, Europe, Anatolia, Central Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia
>>18023678Anti-"Iranjeets" BTFO.
>>18023612no>>18023678you're posting outdated trash, I is european and first appears in europe, I and J separated before middle easterners were a thing>>18023689I and J separated tens of thousands of years before iran_n existedweird way to completely divert the argument btwaryans were european-like andronovo, they were lighter than the french and conquered half of eurasia
>>18023637>What is that ? is it some kind of race ? are you saying they were hapas ? aren't you basically proving his point ? do you really have to shit up threads with your retarded pilpul ?!they were not abos, they were very early eurasians that never set foot in australia and didn't resemble abos even remotely
why are indians like this? they can't talk about a subject without bringing up the origin of haplogroups that happened like 40000 years ago when no one looked like modern humans anyway and no one cares about all that
>>18023745Yes. >Y-DNA haplogroup K-M9 is an old lineage that arose approximately 47,000-50,000 years ago. Geneticist Spencer Wells had argued that because haplogroup K has a geographically wide distribution, the lineage probably originated near the central part of this range in the Middle East or Central Asia, possibly in Iran or Pakistan>Basal K* is exceptionally rare and under-researched; while it has been reported at very low frequencies on many continents it is not always clear if the examples concerned have been screened for subclades. Confirmed examples of K-M9* now appear to be most common amongst some populations in Island South East Asia and Melanesia>I is europeanI arose from IJ, which is not European.>Examples of the basal/paragroup Haplogroup IJ* (M429) were first reported in a 2012 study of genetic diversity in Iran, by Grugni et al. These individuals were reported to be positive for M429 and negative for the SNPs M170 and M304, which define haplogroup I and haplogroup J respectively. However, because the researchers filtered for relatively few SNPs, these individuals may have carried less well-known SNPs equivalent to M170 and M304. Given the limited scope of the testing – and the small number of haplogroup IJ samples that were discovered – few firm conclusions have yet been drawn>An inference may also be made that both IJ (M429) and its sole sibling, Haplogroup K (M9) diverged from the parent Haplogroup IJK closer to the Caucasus and the Middle East than to East Asia, due to the evolutionary distance of IJK from its direct ancestor, haplogroup HIJK
>>18023774this is outdated shit, largely debunked by modern genetics and ancient findings of samples, worthless pajeetI is european, IJ likely is european too, and now it's time for you to gtfo
>>18023750>didn't resemble abos even remotelyLmao.>According to David Reich, DNA analysis has shown that Western Hunter Gatherers were typically dark skinned, dark haired, and blue eyed. The dark skin was due to their Out-of-Africa origin (all Homo sapiens populations having had initially dark skin), while the blue eyes were the result of a variation in their OCA2 gene, which caused iris depigmentation>Archaeologist Graeme Warren has said that their skin color ranged from olive to black, and speculated that they may have had some regional variety of eye and hair colors. This is strikingly different from the distantly related eastern hunter-gatherers (EHG)—who have been suggested to be light-skinned, brown-eyed or blue eyed and dark-haired or light-haired>Two WHG skeletons with incomplete SNPs, La Braña and Cheddar Man, are predicted to have had dark or dark to black skin, whereas two other WHG skeletons with complete SNPs, "Sven" and Loschbour man, are predicted to have had dark or intermediate-to-dark and intermediate skin, respectively. Spanish biologist Carles Lalueza-Fox said the La Braña-1 individual had dark skin, "although we cannot know the exact shade.">According to a 2020 study, the arrival of Early European Farmers (EEFs) from western Anatolia from 8500 to 5000 years ago, along with Western Steppe Herders during the Bronze Age, caused a rapid evolution of European populations towards lighter skin and hair. Admixture between hunter-gatherer and agriculturist populations was apparently occasional, but not extensive
>>18023678Haplogroup C is mongolHaplogroup IJs were cromagnons, haplogroup Is went to Europe and ruled over R gypsies and poos who then inherited their language and want to larp as Aryans, haplogroup Js went to Africa and Mediterranean and mixed with knuckle draggers and started worshiping Saturn .Simple as that .
>>18023774>Basal K* is exceptionally rare and under-researched; while it has been reported at very low frequencies on many continents it is not always clear if the examples concerned have been screened for subclades. Confirmed examples of K-M9* now appear to be most common amongst some populations in Island South East Asia and Melanesiamodern distributions are irrelevant>Y-DNA haplogroup K-M9 is an old lineage that arose approximately 47,000-50,000 years ago. so when the first eurasians settled eurasia more or less, that definitely didn't happen in melanesia, see how stupid you are, you literally even contradict yourself
>>18023781>Some authors have expressed caution regarding skin pigmentation reconstructions: Quillen et al. (2019) acknowledge studies that generally show that "lighter skin color was uncommon across much of Europe during the Mesolithic", including studies regarding the “dark or dark to black” predictions for the Cheddar Man, but warn that "reconstructions of Mesolithic and Neolithic pigmentation phenotype using loci common in modern populations should be interpreted with some caution, as it is possible that other as yet unexamined loci may have also influenced phenotype.">Geneticist Susan Walsh at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis, who worked on Cheddar Man project, said that "we simply don't know his skin colour". German biochemist Johannes Krause stated that we do not know whether the skin color of Western European hunter-gatherers was more similar to the skin color of people from present-day Central Africa or people from the Arab region. It is only certain that they did not carry any known mutation responsible for the light skin in subsequent populations of Europeans>A 2024 research into the genomic ancestry and social dynamics of the last hunter-gatherers of Atlantic France has stated that "phenotypically, we find some diversity during the Late Mesolithic in France", at which two of the WHG's sequenced in the study "likely had pale to intermediate skin pigmentation", but "most individuals carry the dark skin and blue eyes characteristic of WHGs" of the studied samples
>>18023781AI generated shitthey were not craniometrically australoid, find me any proof proving that they were craniometrically australoid>According to David Reich, DNA analysis has shown that Western Hunter Gatherers were typically dark skinned, dark haired, and blue eyed. The dark skin was due to their Out-of-Africa origin (all Homo sapiens populations having had initially dark skin), while the blue eyes were the result of a variation in their OCA2 gene, which caused iris depigmentationno australoids mentioned>Archaeologist Graeme Warren has said that their skin color ranged from olive to black, and speculated that they may have had some regional variety of eye and hair colors. This is strikingly different from the distantly related eastern hunter-gatherers (EHG)—who have been suggested to be light-skinned, brown-eyed or blue eyed and dark-haired or light-hairedno australoids mentioned>>Two WHG skeletons with incomplete SNPs, La Braña and Cheddar Man, are predicted to have had dark or dark to black skin, whereas two other WHG skeletons with complete SNPs, "Sven" and Loschbour man, are predicted to have had dark or intermediate-to-dark and intermediate skin, respectively. Spanish biologist Carles Lalueza-Fox said the La Braña-1 individual had dark skin, "although we cannot know the exact shade."no australoids mentioned>According to a 2020 study, the arrival of Early European Farmers (EEFs) from western Anatolia from 8500 to 5000 years ago, along with Western Steppe Herders during the Bronze Age, caused a rapid evolution of European populations towards lighter skin and hair. Admixture between hunter-gatherer and agriculturist populations was apparently occasional, but not extensivevery outdated and debunked a quintillion times, northern european hunter gatherers were much lighter than the farmersyou are the brazilian mulatto? i see the same pattern of posting random quotes that don't support your argument
>>18023788>Some authors have expressed caution regarding skin pigmentation reconstructions: Quillen et al. (2019) acknowledge studies that generally show that "lighter skin color was uncommon across much of Europe during the Mesolithic", including studies regarding the “dark or dark to black” predictions for the Cheddar Man, but warn that "reconstructions of Mesolithic and Neolithic pigmentation phenotype using loci common in modern populations should be interpreted with some caution, as it is possible that other as yet unexamined loci may have also influenced phenotype.">Geneticist Susan Walsh at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis, who worked on Cheddar Man project, said that "we simply don't know his skin colour". German biochemist Johannes Krause stated that we do not know whether the skin color of Western European hunter-gatherers was more similar to the skin color of people from present-day Central Africa or people from the Arab region. It is only certain that they did not carry any known mutation responsible for the light skin in subsequent populations of Europeans>A 2024 research into the genomic ancestry and social dynamics of the last hunter-gatherers of Atlantic France has stated that "phenotypically, we find some diversity during the Late Mesolithic in France", at which two of the WHG's sequenced in the study "likely had pale to intermediate skin pigmentation", but "most individuals carry the dark skin and blue eyes characteristic of WHGs" of the studied samplesno mentions of australoids, stop dumping shit, brazilian troon
>>18023678>I (Nordic haplogroup) is the younger brother of J (Middle Eastern haplogroup) because they descended from IJ. Whenever you see an anti-J wignat, remind them of this. They hate this fact.you're just a stupid brazilian, I and J separated to many tends of thousands of years ago that it's completely irrelevant, neither nordics nor middle easterners existedalso you're posting off topic stuff, thread is about aryans from the late bronze age
>>18023779>>18023784>>18023785>>18023791>>18023794Keep coping and seething, lol. This explains why Nordics are genetically closer to:>Indians>Amerindians>Siberians>AfricansThan other Europans are. The only argument for them being more 'whiter' is pigmentation, which shows that the classification is arbitrary and not really based on genetics.
Yes, over millennia, this blending produced modern South Asian genetic variation. Steppe ancestry is strongest in the northwest and among upper castes, but every group in South Asia today is mixed.
>>18023799>Keep coping and seething, lol. This explains why Nordics are genetically closer to:it explains nothing, g25 is an amateur tools and you cherrypicked a bunch of samples, like sardinians and the most whg admixed basquebrazilians are truly dumb as fuck
>>18023802Did you know he started trooning out lately? He changed his precious avatar to a pretty princess. It seems his janny friends on discord finally finished grooming him. The hormones are making him passive aggressive. Soon he will ack though so don't worry.
>>18023800>Steppe ancestry is strongest in the northwest and among upper castesBrazilians have more steppe than high caste Indians, lol.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66953-3>Steppe_MBLA samples primarily fall into a red component, whereas the samples from Ganj-Dareh in Iran form a different yellow component. There is also a blue component that appears in different proportions in many of the modern and ancient samples, which seems to represent the AASI contribution. Most of the samples in the analysis (except Steppe-MLBA and Ganj_Dareh) appear to be the result of admixture between these ancestral groups (Steppe, ancient Iran and AASI). The average contributions of each component to each sample are depicted in Supplementary Table 3. In the modern samples, the highest Steppe contributions (>10%) are found in the 1KG Punjabi, the WM Dehastha Brahmin and the SGDP Brahmin. Very high AASI contributions are observed in the WM tribal samples, in particular the Bhil (91.5%), Warli (91.4%) and Pawara (88.5%). We also carried out an unsupervised ADMIXTURE analysis using Andamanese samples (Onge and Jarawa, Supplementary Figure 8), with very similar results. In these analyses, the Andamanese samples have a different component to those determined by the Steppe groups, ancient Iranians and the putative AASI component
>>18023829Also: Apparently gujaratis were heavy milk drinkers before any sort of 'aryan invasion'.
>>18023812bro, he's completely schizo, look at this threadhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/516905829100+ posts all made by him, talking to himself
>>18023791That's the Brazilian
>>18023812and it was proven that he was even liberal.
>>18023841it's crazy how the thread starts with "the black nobility of rome" and ends up talking about samaritanism, moses and copts, there's no logical connection between his posts
>>18022214It must really suck when your people genes are one of the most recessive ones in the world
>>18023854>>18023851In a thread about Hyksos, where he was talking to himself and no one paid attention, he posted several "sources" and one of them was from an author who was sending spam that was literally Twitter-level libtard. The "sources" he posts should not and cannot be taken seriously. See pic I refuted him on his own lie
>>18023854It got out of control and I didn't want to be playing around.
>>18023873and I didn't want to be joking*
>>18022214>The people of Nuristani people are relics of this ancient Aryan populationIt's actually hilarious you bring these guys up. The Kalash in particular.>Genetic analysis of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) by Firasat, Khaliq, et al. (2007)[54] on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of these Y-DNA Haplogroups: L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%).>Genetic analysis of Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) by Quintana-Murci, Chaix, et al. (2004)[55] stated that "the western Eurasian presence in the Kalash population reaches a frequency of 100%" with the most prevalent mtDNA Haplogroups being U4 (34%), R0 (23%), U2e (16%), and J2 (9%). The study asserted that no East or South Asian lineages were detected and that the Kalash population is composed of maternal western Eurasian lineages (as the associated lineages are rare or absent in the surrounding populations). The authors concluded that a western Eurasian maternal origin for the Kalash is likely.Literally IVC Dravidian men and even TRIBAL men fucking west Eurasian (steppe) women and creating a light haired light eyed race through sexual selection.I mean 20% H1a? That's the oldest haplo in India. That's abbo tier. And L, G, and J? Pretty typical Indus valley haplogroups which migrated into South Asia around 9000 BCE. Most Indians today have Indus ancestry, and the haplogroups associated with IVC men peak in South India.I love when retards like you start cherry picking lighter populations in Pakistan because it's so fucking easy to rain on your nordicist parade.
>>18023869he's talking to himself again... when he doesn't get the necessary one, he simply starts talking to himself as if conveniently "someone else" agreed with him and said the same thing.
>>18023886>women and creating a light haired light eyed race through sexual selection.kalash are brown as fuck in reality tho and they're pretty south asian likehttps://www.ft.com/content/0bf722c8-2b6b-11e8-97ec-4bd3494d5f14
>>18023894Despite their appearance, they have steppe at the level of Nordics.>Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "The demographic impact of steppe related populations on South Asia was substantial, as the Mala, a south Indian Dalit population with minimal ANI (Ancestral North Indian) along the 'Indian Cline' of such ancestry is inferred to have ~ 18% steppe-related ancestry, while the Kalash of Pakistan are inferred to have ~ 50%, similar to present-day northern Europeans." The study estimated (6.5–50.2%) steppe-related admixture in South Asians. Lazaridis et al. further notes that "A useful direction of future research is a more comprehensive sampling of ancient DNA from steppe populations, as well as populations of central Asia (east of Iran and south of the steppe), which may reveal more proximate sources of the ANI than the ones considered here, and of South Asia to determine the trajectory of population change in the area directly.">Pathak et al. 2018 concluded that the Indo-European speakers of the Gangetic Plains and the Dravidian speakers have significant Yamnaya Early-Middle Bronze Age (Steppe_EMBA) ancestry but no Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe (Steppe_MLBA) ancestry. On the other hand, the "North-Western Indian and Pakistani" populations (PNWI) showed significant Steppe_MLBA ancestry along with Yamnaya (Steppe_EMBA) ancestry. The study also noted that ancient South Asian samples had significantly higher Steppe_MLBA than Steppe_EMBA (or Yamnaya). The study also suggested that the Rors could be used as a proxy for the ANI
>>18023886>abboSeems a bit inconsistent to ban anons for calling you a favelamonkey while engaging in the same racist behavior 2bh
>>18022214I was watching a cartoon from the 90s based on the "Ramayana" and they literally make all of the gods, not just lighter brown but entirely and intentionally snow white, albeit with black hair. The female leads were also pale and even had "auburn" hair. They do the same thing in Anime to this day. The people today are in no way white, but their God-Kings clearly were. Even simple everyday idols are white/pale with the typical jeet coon eyes, unlike these folks. The "India" of the Vedas was really Indus Valley and what is now Pakistan/Afghanistan anyway. Although, you will see the odd Sikh with black hair, but very blue eyes, as well. Supposedly, there's a super inbred tribe of blue-eyed hillbillies in the mountains around there that still claim to be descendants of Alexander's men. They're so xenophobic, they won't even touch outsiders.
>>18022231"Agni" is cognate with our own "ignite" and "igneous" and means "(Lord) Fire". Can't get much more IE than that. Not to mention all the overtly IE tech. Even the die hard Libtards are conceding thanks to DNA, they just take away the word "Invasion" and call it "Migration"......that "just so happened" to replace the majority of the native Y-chromosome carriers. Of course, if "migration" was good in the past then "Modern Immigration" can only be better! Welcome home Saars!
>>18022941The Sumerians talk about ruling over the "Blackheaded ones", which means they clearly at least knew of "non-blackheaded ones", and the eyes are still clearly dark (navy) blue in the "corrected" pics, as well. They weren't golden blonde, but they were "fair-haired, ivory-armed, and clear-eyed" just like Athena, Aphrodite, Ganymede, et. al. All "good" gods are light, bright, golden and radiant, literally and figuratively. People have always had that "preference", haven't they?
>>18023287Fair amount of "Nepal" in there. Were they slaying Gringo pussy on the DL?
>>18023886Blonde Mongols show up more often than you might think too. It takes matched recessive genes, so the odds are low, but not impossible with enough tries. The real treat would be to breed two blonde Mongol-Jeets to see if they would have blonde babies, or if the swart would win out in the end. These folks have to be "highly prized" to this day......as in you can charge a premium when selling your daughter to the Arab slave traders.
>>18023894It's genuinely amazing how bright and clean Jeet women keep their clothes, even in the most abject filth.
>>18023894They almost look like they could be in Peru, or the Andes. Very similar convergent evolution phenotypes. Even the clothing design is similar.
>>18024369>The Sumerians talk about ruling over the "Blackheaded ones"The Sumerians were the blackheaded ones, you retard.>The origin of the Sumerians is not known, but the people of Sumer referred to themselves as "Black-Headed Ones" or "Black-Headed People" (Sumerian: 𒊕𒈪, romanized: sag̃-gíg, lit.''head" + "black'', or 𒊕𒈪𒂵, sag̃-gíg-ga, phonetically /saŋ ɡi ɡa/, lit. "head" + "black" + relative marker). For example, the Sumerian king Shulgi described himself as "the king of the four quarters, the pastor of the black-headed people". The Akkadians also called the Sumerians "black-headed people", or ṣalmat-qaqqadi, in the Semitic Akkadian language
>>18024397Yes, the same way a blackheaded Chinese rules over other blackheaded Chinese. Regardless, they knew of "non-bh" folks and admired them greatly, as well they should have as have all other peoples throughout History.
>>18024297>Lazaridis et al. (2016) notes "The demographic impact of steppe related populations on South Asia was substantial, as the Mala, a south Indian Dalit population with minimal ANI (Ancestral North Indian) along the 'Indian Cline' of such ancestry is inferred to have ~ 18% steppe-related ancestry, while the Kalash of Pakistan are inferred to have ~ 50%, similar to present-day northern Europeans." The study estimated (6.5–50.2%) steppe-related admixture in South Asians. Lazaridis et al. further notes that "A useful direction of future research is a more comprehensive sampling of ancient DNA from steppe populations, as well as populations of central Asia (east of Iran and south of the steppe), which may reveal more proximate sources of the ANI than the ones considered here, and of South Asia to determine the trajectory of population change in the area directly."outdated as fuck, they have probably 20% steppe ancestry>Pathak et al. 2018 concluded that the Indo-European speakers of the Gangetic Plains and the Dravidian speakers have significant Yamnaya Early-Middle Bronze Age (Steppe_EMBA) ancestry but no Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe (Steppe_MLBA) ancestry. On the other hand, the "North-Western Indian and Pakistani" populations (PNWI) showed significant Steppe_MLBA ancestry along with Yamnaya (Steppe_EMBA) ancestry. The study also noted that ancient South Asian samples had significantly higher Steppe_MLBA than Steppe_EMBA (or Yamnaya). The study also suggested that the Rors could be used as a proxy for the ANIkalash not mentioned, do you think more quotes dumped = better argument?
>>18024369I agree that the ruling class of any civilization is usually fairer than the general populace. Even David was described as ruddy. Same with AtG.
>>18024674>they have probably 30% steppe ancestryFIFY.>The modern population of Europe can largely be modeled as a mixture of WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherer), EEF and WSH. In Europe, WSH ancestry peaks among Norwegians (ca. 50%) according to Haak et al. (2015), while in South Asia it peaks among the Kalash people (ca. 30%) according to Narasimhan et al. (2019)
>>18022941The fact that they have an ooga booga-tier ancient history while subscribing to a supremacist ideology, their ancient history is crude mudhuts and illiteracy. There's no low they will not sink to because of that inferiority complex, they are completely shameless
>>18022941>>18026390They made their statues with blue eyes. Why is the only pertinent question. Denials are pointless cope.
>>18026406You are the one ''coping'' here with your laughable inferiority complex and wewuzzing. Your actual ancient history is still crude mudhuts and illiteracy. Doesn't matter if the Sumers used lapis lazuli to paint eyes and nipples blue, they weren't nordic and their features are completely different to nordic features, if they were ''nordic'' they would have been crude primitive savages like the actual nordics were back then
>>18026406These statues were depicted with “blue" eyes because the Lapis Lazuli gem has spiritual meaning, you retard. They used ground up Lapis Lazuli eyeshadow as well.>The term [na4]za-gin3 is a Sumerian term for Lapis lazuli. It was equated with the Akkadian term uqnû. Various Akkadian terms for lapis lazuli include 'zaginnu,' 'nazaginakku,' 'zagindurû,' and 'zagingutû,'. The term za-gin3 was used as a name for the color of the stone as well. It could also be used to mean shiny or precious>Lapis lazuli is a beautiful deep-blue metamorphic rock that is used as a semi-precious stone. It has a rating of 5 to 5.5 on the Mohs scale hardness. Lapis lazuli is the most abundant of the precious stones found at archeological sites throughout southern Mesopotamia. It is also the most frequently attested of the precious stones mentioned in Sumerian textual sources. Most of the items made of lapis that have been recovered from sites are small personal objects such as jewelry and seals. Woolley found a number of lapis objects during the excavations of the tombs of Ur that included a cup, a dagger hilt and a whetstone. By the second millennium BCE artificial Lapis lazuli was attested. The modifier 'kūru,' (meaning kiln or furnace) when added behind 'uqnû' changes its meaning to 'artificial lapis' (Oppenheim 1995:239, 1956). Lapis lazuli is mentioned in incantation texts as a material component associated with purification>Lapis lazuli was considered a sacred stone in ancient Mesopotamia. The stone was associated with Nisaba the deity of writing and scribes. The temple of Nisaba located at Unug (Uruk) was called the e2-za-gin3 or 'House of Lapis lazuli'. Tablets made of lapis held a special significance. Nisaba was said to have possessed a sacred tablet of Lapis lazuli called the dub mul-an or 'Tablet Stars of the Clear Heavens'. The tablets is referenced in hymns to Nisaba however other texts reference it in ways that imply that it was a real tablet
>>18026426>>18026420You faggots would rather commit suicide than admit the sumerians had white skin and blue eyes. I guess I can't blame you, your actual history is embaressing.
>>18026426>The Mesopotamians may have believed that the tablet was a replica of a sacred star chart. They may have also believed that the heavens were made of Lapis lazuli as implied by KAR 307 and AO 8196 thus explaining the color of the blue sky above. Several texts refer to an-za-gin3 or 'blue heavens' including an Incantation to Utu (TCS 3 45:475) and a Hymn of Rim-sin ('Mesopotamian Cosmic Geography' Horowitz 1998:167)>Lapis lazuli is mentioned in multiple stories including the 'Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta,' 'Gilgameš,' and the 'Etana' epics. Texts mention a 'Mountain of Lapis Lazuli' as being the origin of the stone. It was imported unworked from the region that is modern Badakshan, Afghanistan and then crafted into finished objects once the raw material reached Mesopotamia. The presence of unworked chips and lumps of lapis found in deposits at archeological sites indicates that lapis lazuli was worked on site (Oates et al. 2001:232). According to Sumerian texts Lapis reached Mesopotamia via trade routes through lands such as Aratta, Meluḫḫa and Dilmun. 'The Hymn of Ninurta' and 'Gudea Cylinder B (XIV:13)' both mention Lapis being imported from Meluḫḫa by ships
>>18026432>embaressinggood morning saaar
>>18026437Why would a jeet want to claim that sumerians had white skin and blue eyes?
>>18026454You are clearly ESL and obviously clearly trolling, or the alternative is that you are actually this retarded/delusional, a pathetic loser however you slice it
>>18026465You didnt answer the question. Believe it or not, but a spelling mistake doesn't indicate someone isn't a native English language user.
>>18026454>>18026432even if they did, they still were not genetically white, and their facial features are not white featuresa blue eyed levantine isn't white
>>18026406they "accidentally" made them snow white too, of course. LOL! Semite Seethe is the best.
>>18026635Yes and Greeks were black because they had black amphoraeRetard
>>18026526"a blue-eyed Levantine" is about as common as a carnivorous manatee. It's one, or the other. Never both.
>>18026961The Greeks also took the time to paint their gods, and other elites, as snow white on the black pottery, as well. Go look ;) "Fair-haired, ivory-armed, clear-eyed......" Every. Single. Time.
