People both secular and religious, and on both the left and the right give the new atheists of the 2000s a lot of shit, but what if they were right all along?In the mid 2000s Tankies, tranny mass shooters, Orthobros, Groypers, right-wing Nietzschean sociopaths etc. etc. weren't really a thing.People were too focused shitting on young earthers and hating on religion for such things to even be under consideration. It was only after atheism split into the sjw and anti-sjw movements ca 2012 (coinciding with pic-rel's death), becoming too focused on politics, that the modern zoomer ideologies really started to develop, and by 2016 it was too late to stop the process.Now we are in a wicked timeline being punished for our own sins, ruled by sociopaths and the utterly insane.
>>18022389R*ddit isn’t right about anything. The site is mostly bots and paid shills who work for the DOD or big corporations. The real people who post there are just oversocialized normies who talk about the “current thing” so they can get internet points. None of it is genuine.
>>18022402By reddit atheists I mean not so much atheists who go on reddit, but rather the phenomenon typically refered to as "reddit atheism" by zoomers.
>>18022389I mean yeah, if you take a snapshot of 2005 atheist skeptic community and focus on the parts where they dunked on hillbilly creationists for months at a time, it all seems nice and justified. But New Atheism was always a clusterfuck and didn't necessarily "split" into sjw and anti-sjw branches as much as it just morphed into a vague bundle of social narratives with an occasional agreement that "this particular sjw went too far claiming she got PTSD from comment sections". Hitchens was rhetorically gifted like very few people, but some of his arguments relied on rhetorical might completely and people who "inherited" the arguments found out rather quickly.
>>18022422I agree that Hitchens was basically a talanted sophist, but what's so bad about that? Perhaps humans were never meant to think too deeply about issues our brains are simply too small to truly comprehend...
>>18022389>In the mid 2000s Tankies, tranny mass shooters, Orthobros, Groypers, right-wing Nietzschean sociopaths etc. etc. weren't really a thing.Yes they were
>>18022439Well if we weren't meant to think too deeply then it's not that sophistry is redeemed, it's that philosophy is just lowered to the status of shiny sophistry. Anyway, as limited as human thinking is, it is capable enough of honesty to warrant an expectation of not bullshitting the people you're talking to. And I think without breaking this expectation, Hitchens wouldn't really have a career.
>>18022389Leftist shooters are just the 2020's version of the Weather Underground. And if the pattern follows as before, they and their sympathizers will dominate the intelligentsia in the next generations.
>>18022389Material decline induced following the GFC, the current propaganda war being induced by the American empire and the Great Replacement are all why people are arguably becoming more rational (or as you say, extreme) in their beliefs.Reddit atheists were like a semi functioning Downy making fun of a fully retarded kid.
>>18022389It's almost like insulting someone doesn't make them wrong
>>18022389The reddit millenial athiests are the ones who pushed all the woke shit willingly for the rich their not all that intelligent
>>18022603Yeah it was interesting to see how occupy wall street died off with a whimper, with all the anti white, anti male nonsense being spewed
>>18022646Occupy Wall Street was pozzed from the start. Literal lefty terrorists from the 70's were involved with it ffs
>>18022648At least they weren't chanting feminist and anti white bs in the beginning
>>18022389Yes, reddit atheism is just correct. Everything said against them has been an enormous cope by the two main targets of reddit atheism - far leftist "progressive" academics in the humanities and the deluded religious morons.
>>18022664And neither did Obama. Guess what, he was mentored by a far-left Marxist. He didn't suddenly pivot to distract you from the bankers or whatever. He was always that way, and was acting stragetically.
>>18022389better for some to dodge hidden occultism to be secular
Atheism is correct, but being a faggot about being right is worse than simply being wrong so reddit atheism loses.
>>1802238900s nu atheists all became trannies/SJWs in the following decade
>>18022711>And neither did Obama. Guess what, he was mentored by a far-left Marxistare we still reciting talking points from 2009 Glenn Beck episodes in 20 fucking 25?
>>18022452thanks, Reddit
>>18022841>glenn beck said it so its not trueBill Ayers was Obama's mentor and ghost writer. That is a fact.
>>18022834trvke
>>18022389They were right on the terms of the argument, it's insane for religious people to manipulate empirical science the way creationists do. They're wrong about religion, but that's not why they fell. Internet atheism crashed the moment it stopped being for white men and chuds. That's the cultural powerhouse wherever it goes.
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>>18022389They were wrong about a lot of history with a strong anti-religious anti-western (anti-white) bias:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X5bSPXBaB4I also disagree on them on the concept of morals. I think Stirner was right about that.Not killing and not stealing aren't universal morals, even these are arbitrary.Duels were a thing even in the West until recently, soliders are expected to kill, the roman patriarch was originally allowed to kill anyone in his family if he wanted to. Tribal warfare is a normal thing for many tribes. I think some tribes don't even have the concept of murder. Lynching is a common thing still practiced in Africa.Some tribes have no concept of property. How can stealing be a thing there? How can you claim that condeming murder and theft are universal morals?Even cannibalism and child murder aren't condemned by all societies. Pro-lifers claim that abortion is murder I think I agree with them when it comes to late stage abortion.If they claim that universal morals exist, that right and wrong exist then they are delusional.They are right that morals don't come from christianity and that christian morals are also arbitrary but so are the secular morals.I also disagree that secular humanism is a good thing. It promotes open borders, is anti-nationalist, anti-tribalist which makes it evil in my eyes.
>>18022984Morals are neither absolute nor arbitrary, they're labor saving techniques. Property rights make it obvious, they refer to specific objects and situations which usually don't arise in primitive tribal context. In all cases, the goal is to limit effort lost repeating the same archetypal conflict over and over. The most basic original example is two people interacting. You say it's arbitrary whether they try to kill one another, but practically speaking it's impossible to achieve anything if they do. Not only do strategizing and paranoia take priority over other thoughts, you might end up actually destroying 1-2 productive, sentient adults which take 20 years to make.
>>18022711That makes sense. Honestly forgot about Obama
>>18023129>thinking that milquetoast neoliberal was some kind of communist street fighteronly in early '10s right wing media blurbs
>>18023141The whole point is he doesn't need to be. His mentors were putting their necks out carrying out terror attacks, but then they got positions in academia where they had firm control of the narrative. You don't need to rebel anymore, you're the functionally conservative institutions now.
>>18022407>the phenomenon typically refered to as "reddit atheism" by zoomersMillennials did this retard
>>18023176I said zoomers call it ressit atheism you sperg.
>Now we are in a wicked timeline being punished for our own sins, ruled by sociopaths and the utterly insane.Atheism does not tell us how to live without god, how it will affect society or what will replace it, it just says "there's no god, lol". This does not mean an atheist can't have solutions on top of their atheism, but the self-avowed atheist who makes it their whole identity and turns it into a cause rarely does. They are like communists who blame all their problems on X yet have only vagueries and self-justification concerning what comes after.Compare socialist communes with religious communes, the former tend to end up full of lazy pot smoking hippies who end up drinking the kool aid, the latter build functioning societies. Religious people are about the only group still raising families, religious people are more charitable and happy while the irreligious obsess with pop culture, funko pops, marvel/DC capeslop and turn to said "zoomer ideologies" and divert all their passions and energy to "trans rights" and "BLM" and the like, which I'm sure means a lot to them, but lacks the totality of God.Why are atheists like this? Atheism has no solution to the nihilism problem. Superstition drives people to accomplish things a pure materialist would consider insane. For example a hedonist will nut in a fat ass then avoid child support for 18 years, this is why there are now so many deadbeat fathers. The religious man in a traditional marriage is more likely to dutifully care and support his wife through thick and thin.Since the 60s counterculture atheism has been on the rise, so I would say atheism is more an effect of nihilism than a cause, as imagined by Nietzsche, however those that resist nihilism will be religious and they will reverse the trend due to the things we have discussed.
>>18023181Eat shit retard. Millennials are SCUM.
>>18022389Excuse me, but this is false. The one true God is the god of fertility and free will, Freyr
>>18023182>Religious people are about the only group still raising families,The ones who reject technology. A lot of the e-christians are no different from the internet atheists. Instead of funko pops they have icons. They treat their religion and theology like a star wars fan treats the star wars franchise.Theologicla discussions are evry similar to fandom discussions.Do religious people go out more often, do they do sport more often? Maybe the luddite group of the amish and the mennonites.I don't think the problem is atheism or nihilism but humans being incapable of dealing with the modern technological landscape.The only thing you've proven is that modernism is very detrimental to human behavior not that it is atheism itself.
>>18022452>Leftist shooters are just the 2020's version of the Weather Underground. And if the pattern follows as before, they and their sympathizers will dominate the intelligentsia in the next generations.I don't really think so because the people who formed the Weather Underground and the people carrying out shootings today are different kinds of people usually. The shooters come across as nihilistic Discord guys who dropped out of community college and want to commit suicide. The Weather Underground formed out of a core of Columbia students who got good grades and got into good schools, and were skilled at organizing students (they organized relatively large student occupations), but then went crazy from a combination of ideological theory, narcissistic self-love, and a misreading of their own political situation and what they were good at / what they weren't. The closest analogy to them today would be found among the hard edges of the pro-Palestine movement, people capable and willing to break into an Elbit Systems office and smash it up.
>18022402>The site is mostly bots and paid shills who work for the DOD or big corporationsImagine actually believing this
>>18023362People who like to think they have radical politics also like to delude themselves that most people agree with them and that the reason their ideology isn't mandatory is because people are people are being prevented from hearing about it or whatever, rather than cope with the reality that most people do not agree with them.
>>18023352it's not the same today because the educational system in the 50s-60s was leagues above now. WU members were pretty smart and well-read, which the Charlie Kirk tranny most certainly is not.
>>18023368>People who like to think they have radical politicsWho are you referring to, schizotard?
People only hate it because they were confronted in their face about how stupid belief in god is. People don't like feeling stupid, but facts don't care about your feelings.
>>18023431People hate it because it was a kneejerk movement that commited almost as many fallacies and misunderstandings as it challenged. There was a very brief period when atheism was insightful and New Atheism marked the end of that period.
>>18023464>no real examples of the supposed fallacies and misunderstandings>pretending to admit mistakes and self-reflect while discrediting your criticsThis is such an old and boring tactic of religious zealots. Get a new trick.
>>18023496>not even pretending to admit mistakes while discrediting your criticsPerfect case in point. Although if you still need more examples, let me know.
>>18023505Yeah, because there is no mistake in atheist claim that there is no god you fucking retard. Meanwhile, your holy book written by moronic desert hobos is full of stupidity no matter how much you try to pretend to otherwise.
>>18023431>>18023496>>18023511New Atheism was quite literally a kneejerk reaction to 9/11 you massive retard.
>>18023517Look up atheism and then look up New Atheism.
>>18023519We're talking about New Atheism itt. Retard.
>>18023517>I'll characterrize my critics as knee-jerk! that means I win!Fuck off you disingenuous religious schizo.
>>18023520Yeah. Then why jump to atheism as such in >>18023511 ?
>>18023522That is a different Anon. If you don't see how New Atheists had knee-jerk reactions, we can definitely talk about that but you need to calm down. The movement is long dead, it shouldn't be triggering emotions atp.
>>18023522>>I'll characterrize my critics as knee-jerk!Am I wrong? New Atheism thinkers wen't apeshit after 9/11, that was the straw that broke the camel's back in their psyche and fueled their crusade against religion. It was undeniable for them that religion was harmful to "modern secular liberal society".> Then why jump to atheism as such in >>18023511 That's not me, idiot. This is an anonymous imageboard, there's more than one person posting, keep the fuck up.
>>18023527There is no movement of "new atheism", it's just a bogeyman used by religious zealots like yourself. We can talk once you admit your dishonesty.
>>18023532Like I said, look up New Atheism and spare yourself the embarrassment.
>>18023528>New Atheism thinkers wen't apeshit after 9/11Who are you referring to and how exactly did they go "apeshit"? I can predict that I will watch you squeal and struggle as you try and fail to answer this question.
>>18023532>>18023533>There is no movement of "new atheism"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism
>>18023533>Just look it up bro! If you look it up, you'll realize I'm correct!Go fuck yourself. I have no interest in talking to disingenuous, dishonest religious zealots.
>So embarrassed of New Atheism, they gotta pretend it never happened
>>18023536>If you look it up, you'll realize I'm correct!Not really, but you will at least be aware of what this thread is talking about. As it is you're having an emotional breakdown trying to discuss something while denying it ever was. This is genuinely not healthy human behavior.
>>18023534>Who are you referring toChristopher HitchesSam HarrisRichard DawkinsDaniel DennettAyaan Hrsi AliDavid SilvermanPeter Boghossianetc.
>>18023535>>18023538>>18023537Did you even read the article you posted, moron?>Dawkins writes in the introduction to the 10th anniversary edition of the book: "I don't object to the horseman label, by the way. I'm less keen on 'new atheist': it isn't clear to me how we differ from old atheists."[25]The so-called horsemen never used such a term. It was invented by some retarded journalist. You would know this if you weren't a retarded religious zealot.
Also, it's not random. There are particular platform features that amplify those dynamics.
>>18023542Notice how you failed to answer the question. Do you want to try again, you lying zealot.
>>18023544>>Dawkins writes in the introduction to the 10th anniversary edition of the bookSo literally a decade after the New Atheism movement crashed and burned and turned on people like Dawkins because of this stance on transgenderism?No wonder he now wants to distance himself from the New Atheist label.
>>18023544Sadly for New Atheists (and front-men of dozens of other movements like baroque, IDM etc.) nobody really cares if they like the name or not. Neil DeFaggot Tyson doesn't like the term "atheist" to begin with. He still is one.If you put this much stock into denying the name itself then it's clear you're cooked. Just leave.
>>18023550>Typical lying religious zealot tries to pivot and change the subject when he's caught with his pants downLol. You retards are so predictable
>>18023548Notice how he knows the topic of this discussion. Do better.
> WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE PERPETUATED FALLACIES> Btw this guy didn't like the name so the movement never happened!!
>>18023555>and change the subjectHow did I change the subject? Dawkins was part of the New Atheism movement, in fact he spear-headed it, nowadays he wants to distance himself from it because of the shit show it turned into.
>>18023553See >>18023555.>>18023556Notice how you still cannot the answer the question. Wanna try again, retard?
>>18023562You're talking to two people. I answered all of your questions while you struggled to figure out the topic at all.Do better.
Also about it being a reaction to 9/11:From the wiki article, you religious zealots love:>Dawkins had long wanted to write a book openly criticising religion, but his publisher had advised against it. By 2006, his publisher had warmed to the idea.When will you admit to lying so that we can discuss this honestly?
>>18023562Why do you think they went on a crusade against Creationists in the first place? That was them going apeshit.
>>18023564Notice how you still failed to answer the question. Try again, lying zealot?
>>18023565You do know 9/11 happened before 2006, right?>>18023568Do better.
>>18023565>Also about it being a reaction to 9/11:The New Atheism movement was a reaction to 9/11. Dawkins writing the God Delusion wasn't you colossal retard. Of course he was already a critic of religion prior to it, but 9/11 galvanized him and the others.
>>18023567Ah, I see, so by apeshit you mean anyone who objects to the anti-scientific retardation of creationism! What an honest use of the term of apeshit! Good job. Now try answering how any of this is related to 9/11.
Woah Dawkins-anon is slowly figuring out what the fuck we're talking about! This is progress!
>>18023574So do you admit to being a dishonest lying zealot when you said?>wen't apeshit after 9/11, that was the straw that broke the camel's back in their psyche and fueled their crusade against religion.
False alarm, he still can't tell a movement from a book being written.
>>18023352>>18023372The WU were also the pioneers in what they did. Nobody in the '60's expected university kids to go full social guerilla warrior on their own societies while simultaneously shilling for The Man. Picrelated was an admirer of Bobby Kennedy until Bobby got whacked kekThe other difference between the WU today and the faggots on "the right" like the Fuentes Fags is their willingness to act. Compared picrel to the Jan 6 shaman dude and tell me you don't see the resemblance lmaoIf Jerry Rubin was a contemporary figure he'd be debating Fuentes on discord or whatever the fuck it is zoomies do. As a '90's kid, to me the social agitators of today are just terminally online faggots who can't even organize an Occupy-tier event outside of their chatrooms
"New Atheism" just feels like a poor label for what is according to the wikipedia article atheists who"advocate the antitheist view that the various forms of theism should be criticised, countered, examined, and challenged by rational argument, especially when they exert strong influence on the broader society."Especially since at this point it's old. Why not just call them "proselytizing atheists," as a normal subset of atheists that will always exist so long as theism and atheism exist together? It just seems weird to think of it as a "movement" isolated to a certain time period.
Looks like the dishonest lying zealots can't get their own stories about their boogeyman of "New atheism" straight. What a surprise!
>>18023577>so by apeshit you mean anyone who objects to the anti-scientific retardation of creationism!No? Their relentless attack of creationism was just part of it. There was also them going on and on about the dangers of religion, repeating myths several anti-Christian myths like the dark ages, dabbling in Christ mythicism, Dawkins saying that religious people should be mocked and ostrasized from society, Peter Boghossian writing a book about how religious belief should be treated as a contagious disease.>Now try answering how any of this is related to 9/11.Becuase they witnessed one of the most horrific terrorist attacks of the past decades committed against the bastion of liberalism motivated explictly by religious belief, so they saw it with their eyes how religious was directly harming society, at least to them.
>>18023599>It just seems weird to think of it as a "movement" isolated to a certain time period.Why?>it's oldIt's dead. So why rename it now? Are you offended that bad?
>>18023585You know that we're talking about the New Atheism movement as a whole, right? Not just Dawkins.
>>18023599>Why not just call them "proselytizing atheists,"That's exactly what people called them back in the day. They were often called "evangelical atheists". They didn't like it because they felt like they were being attacked for having the same zeal that their religious opponents had. They really wanted to see themselves as just cool, rational people unmoved by emotion and without bias or blindspots simply presenting an accurate critique of religion.>It just seems weird to think of it as a "movement" isolated to a certain time period.Because it didn't exist prior in the West, a movement specifically to spread and popularize atheism.
>>18023599Anon it just seems to me by your post that you're just completely ignorant about the fact that this movement happened during the 2000s, you can go on YouTube and see videos of their rallies, conference, speeches, debates, etc.
>>18023605>It's deadWell I don't think it's dead, as I said. There are still atheists criticizing, countering, examining, and challenging theism to this very day. It's like if there were a guy named Jerry, and one day you started calling "New Jerry", and then some time after that you stopped calling them "New Jerry" and started insisting that "New Jerry" was dead. Meanwhile Jerry is still standing there just as Jerry as ever.
>>18023611There are also people still dropping acid in the woods, does this mean the hippie movement is not yet dead? It doesn't matter if a handful of people were doing it before or after. To pretend New Atheism were just atheists doing the same thing they've always been doing is to, again, be completely ignorant of what it is that we are talking about. like the other Anon said in >>18023609
>>18023604>Their relentless attack of creationism was just part of itOh no, the poor anti-scientific idea of creationism! They should have given it some breaks between their attacks!> repeating myths several anti-Christian myths like the dark agesAh yes, the nu-Christian meme of calling historical facts "anti-christian myths".>dabbling in Christ mythicism,Oh no! How dare they suggested the evidence for the existence of this jesus guy is not very good! >Becuase they witnessed one of the most horrific terrorist attacks of the past decades committed against the bastion of liberalism motivated explictly by religious belief, so they saw it with their eyes how religious was directly harming society, at least to them.That's a nice headcanon you have about their motives but notice you have provided no evidence that this was indeed their motive.
>>18023621You didn't make a single argument lmao.>>18023604Congrats, you broke him.
>>18023625An argument against what, you retard?
>>18023619>To pretend New Atheism were just atheists doing the same thing they've always been doing What is the specific difference? I'm going off the wikipedia page definition, and as an anon above quoted from Dawkins, "I don't object to the horseman label, by the way. I'm less keen on 'new atheist': it isn't clear to me how we differ from old atheists."
>>18023627Against the points you disagree with. See, in a debate, besides knowing the fucking topic (at which you fail tremendously), the idea is to argue against each other's points using valid inference, known as logic and logical argumentation. Writing "Oh no..." like a menstruating bitch on a Turkish soap opera is definitely amusing, but really doesn't do anything except confirm the stereotypes about New Atheists.
>>18023621>Oh no, the poor anti-scientific idea of creationism!Their zeal in attacking it is what is noteworthy. Even today I don't see people attacking flat-earthers with the same energy.>Ah yes, the nu-Christian meme of calling historical facts "anti-christian myths".https://historyforatheists.com/2024/09/the-great-myths-15-what-about-the-dark-ages/>Oh no! How dare they suggested the evidence for the existence of this jesus guy is not very good!They didn't merely suggested it, they declared. And they even made that god awful Zeitgeist movement that has been an egg on their face since. It's especially embarrasing when the historicity of Jesus is an accepted fact in academia. It was just very telling of how biased they were.>That's a nice headcanon you have about their motives but notice you have provided no evidence that this was indeed their motive.So they didn't care about 9/11. Damn.
>>18023630I linke the post that described the specific difference. If you hover over the post code, it displays the post and you can read it, which should ideally give you the information therein.
>>18023630>What is the specific difference?Their proselitizing nature. Their clames that religion and God belief were not only wrong (which is at most regular atheists end) but that religion was harmful to society and needed to be erradicated (which is an attitude that doesn't come from atheism, atheism doesn't tell you that religion is harmful). That's what differentiates them from regular atheists.They weren't just fine with being atheists, they wanted other people to become atheists too and actively spread atheism.
>>18023639>https://historyforatheists.com/2024/09/the-great-myths-15-what-about-the-dark-ages/Tim O'Neill, the guy calling himself an atheist while promoting every revisionist history which is convenient for christian apologists? No thanks. Here's a link to an article from a christ mythicist (Oh the horror!) titled "Yes, the Dark Ages Really Were a Thing" which you might like:https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/15567>They didn't merely suggested it, they declared.Where? None of them claimed jesus didn't exist with any certainty. Post where they said it or admit that you're a dishonest liar.>So they didn't care about 9/11. Damn.Of course they cared about it. What you have to argue to show your claim is that their books were a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. Do you even know how to argue?>>18023638Do you have any point to make you disingenuous lying zealot?
>>18023643Atheists being more vocal/active/numerous during a certain time period doesn't seem like it should make them a new species of atheist that can then be said to have died when they calm down for a while. Activity ebbs and flows. This seems, again, to me like saying Jerry is now "New Jerry" because he got a bit more talkative than usual in response to some event, and then saying "New Jerry" died when he took a nap or got distracted by something else for a bit later that day. He is still Jerry all the way through.
>>18023661>a new species of atheistNow who is being a dishonest lying zealot ahahaha.
>>18023663I don't understand what occurred in your head that led to this reaction to me saying that
>>18023660>Richard CarrierlulYou don't read my source, I don't read yours. Get fucked.>Where?In the Zeitgeist movie.>What you have to argue to show your claim is that their books-No, not the books retard. Get that shit through your head. THE MOVEMENT was the reaction.
>>18023639>Even today I don't see people attacking flat-earthers with the same energy.So what? The "horsemen" attacked creationism because it has lots of believer and is anti-scientific. What do flat earthers (a fringe online prank, mostly) have to do with this?
>>18023464>>>>>People hate [New Atheism] because it was a kneejerk movement that commited almost as many fallacies and misunderstandings as it challenged. Exampels of other possible reasons:>Being unaware of the movement, bringing it up is "lying">Insisting the movement needs to be renamed, as using the actual name is "dishonest">Being confused if 9/11 happened before 2006 or after>Being confused what "a movement" is and how it differs from a dude being re-namedHaving an emotional breakdown because someone challenged talking points a movement you don't think ever existed is top kneejerk reaction. I hope his loved ones pay him the kind of attention that his parents never did.
>>18023668>The "horsemen" attacked creationism because it has lots of believer and is anti-scientific.So? What's wrong with being anti-scientific. If they want to believe that the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie, let them. What is it to me?
>>18023666If you'd like a narration, it would go something like "Woah look at this desperate lying bitch moving the goalposts while getting grilled alive by three separate people ahahahaha". Is it clearer now? I can go into more detail if you like.
>>18023667Great, so I concede your point the christian dark ages really existed and are not a myth as you claimed.>In the Zeitgeist movie.Where? Post the link with the timestamp. I understand that religious people are not used to providing or understanding evidence, but at least try a little before spouting blatant lies,>No, not the books retard. Get that shit through your head. THE MOVEMENTSo the "movement" was a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 but it was created in 2006 and led by these horsemen who were not motivated by 9/11? Is this the kind of retarded story you have to make up on the spot when you're caught being a disingenuous liar?
>>18023675>Is it clearer nowSorry, it genuinely isn't.
>>18023680*you concede my point that
>>18023680>not a myth as you claimed.Very much a myth. You can read the source. If not. I'm not reading yours.>Where?Watch it.>So the "movement" was a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 but it was created in 2006No?
>>18023681That is quite alright, let me expand:"Woah this desperate weasel is falling apart, he can't tell what it is we're talking about, what a movement is etc and his only way to save face is to act confused about what a movement is at all... as though existence of a movement meant a new 'species' of atheists is around lol what a shit-for-brains sad attempt to save face"Is this better?
>>18023660>Tim O'Neill, the guy calling himself an atheist while promoting every revisionist history which is convenient for christian apologists?I'm not a christian but you are an idiot very likely a leftist.Attack christians through other means not through this retardation and anti-western propaganda.>Richard Carrier He is a clown with an obvious agenda. He was also part of atheism+ proving that he is a degenerate leftist. I don't take anything he says seriously.
>>18023688Sorry I'm allergic to dishonest liars like Tim O'Neill who pretend to be historians while not even having a degree (iirc).>Watch it.So you can't show where they made the claim. Okay, so are you going to admit you lied?>No?What confused you this time?
>>18023699>a leftistIs that a sin according your cult?>He is a clown with an obvious agenda.Your entire cult is filled with clowns with obvious agendas. And I don't take Tim O'Neill or any of his apologia seriously. What now?
>>18023703>So you can't show where they made the claim.In the first film the very first scene. It claims that Horus had 12 disciples.
>>18023709I'm a right-wing agnostic. And yes leftism is evil it leads to genocide (through mass migration, race mixing propaganda and anti-native policies).>And I don't take Tim O'Neill or any of his apologia seriously. What now?Because you are a radical leftist. Your hatred of christianity is just a hatred of the west and a hatred of white people.
>>18023712Why are you shifting goal posts? Show me where they "declared" that jesus didn't exist, or just admit that you are lying.
>>18023660>I have a Bachelors Degree with Honours in English and History and a research Masters Degree from the University of Tasmania, with a specialisation in historicist analysis of medieval literature.Is this untrue? Can you prove that what he said isn't true?
>>18023661Nobody said atheism (Jerry) changed. A movement happened. Jerry was put into a spotlight and now he's no longer in it. Is your entire position hinging on not understanding what a movement is?
>>18023717Great, since you admit that you're just a propagandist who doesn't care about truth whenever it's inconvenient to your right-wing narrative, I no longer have to consider you to be discussing this in good faith.
>>18023725He didn't say that at all, you just outright lied lmao
>>18023718https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0pd_8yTLU
>>18023725>Great, since you admit that you're just a propagandist who doesn't care about truth whenever it's inconvenient to your right-wing narrative,absolute projectionYou are slurping Carrier's bullshit without critically thinking about it because of your leftist agenda.
>>18023725>I no longer have to consider you to be discussing this in good faithYou didn't do this in the first place.
>>18023735So where did the "horsemen" declare in this video that jesus didn't exist? Post the timestamp or admit that you're lying
>>18023660Do you really believe everyone in the middle ages thought that the earth was flat? That's what many atheists like AronRa claimed.
>>18023736>>18023739>>18023729Your reactions make it clear what your agenda here is - lie and slander the "new atheists" and declare them "reddit" so that no one left is to counter your ridiculous desert cult and everyone falls in line when you spread your right-wing narrative based on this cult.
>>18023749You outright lied to everyone's face in >>18023725 ahahaha
>>18023753Where did I lie there you disingenuous zealot?
>>18023756>>>>>since you admit that you're just a propagandist who doesn't care about truthI love how you're trying to save face. You failed in every way imaginable and were exposed as a liar.That you spent so much time accusing everyone of dishonesty (for using established terms) only to turn around and lie through your teeth is so satisfying. Thank you for this.
>>18023724The OP started off the thread by calling them the "new atheists" and there was a comparison of them to hippies in the thread, so it did seem to me like the implication was that they were a very distinctive type of atheist (rather than just atheists being in the spotlight) that appeared and is now gone, leaving the land relatively desolate of combative atheists. And the way I've seen people talk about it they act like it failed or was defeated somehow and we should all be really embarrassed by it, which is what I don't get. "Jerry was put into a spotlight and now he's no longer in it." is what I think happened.
>>18023760Which part of that is a lie, zealot? You said:>Attack christians through other means not through this retardation and anti-western propagandaSo you pretend the dark ages didn't happen because that's against your right-wing narrative
>>18023764People used the widely recognized name of a movement and then tried to help you understand what a movement is by bringing up hippies. Anon, you are the problem here.
>>18023770>Which part of that is a lieThis one:>>>>>>since you admit that you're just a propagandist who doesn't care about truthMan it's so satisfying you can't help yourself. Lmao
>>18023776So why did you try to censor the fact that the dark ages happened, you lying zealot? Is it because it went against your explicitly stated right-wing narrative?
>>18023782You're talking to multiple people. I never discussed the dark ages. Btw you lied here: >>18023725 and everyone saw it.
>>18023786So you agree with me and admit that the other poster who tried to lie about the dark ages was a right-wing propagandist who doesn't care about truth?
>>18023795I agree that you lied in here: >>18023725 I also agree you didn't even remotely justify your dismissal by the dark ages lmao do you think we can't see your posts, you shaky scared child?
>>18023796What are you talking about, you disingenuous lying zealot? I already linked an article by Richard Carrier earlier. Do you really want to lie about the links posted in this very thread? It's so hilarious watching this malicious propaganda against the "new atheists" fall apart in real-time.
>>18023803That's right I see dark ages mentioned in >>18023725 oh wait no it's ust you lying.You fought so long only to lose this bad.
>>18023808You have nothing of substance to say, I see. I accept your concession that you're a dirty, disingenuous, lying, right-wing propagandist who doesn't care about truth.
>>18023813And you just lied again lmao. I love that the only way you can win this is by making up admissions nobody wrote so you can defend a movement you refuse to acknowledge by its name. It's been a pleasure, Anon. Let's do this again soon.
>>18023822Lol cry more. You lost and will lose next time too.
>>18023828Sure, by the way you were caught lying in >>18023725 and >>18023813I accept your humiliating apology, just try to do better next time.
>>18023834Why are you so ashamed of admitting to being a lying, right-wing propagandist, though?
>>18023840>He's still unaware of multiple people in the threadLying to >>18023725 and lying to >>18023813 was to different people, Hasanabi.
>>18023846>noooo it's not just meee!! there are multiple disingenuous lying right-wing propagandists itt!!Lol. Ok retard.
>>18023850>OKFinally
Regarding Richard Carrier. He claims that the translations of Hitler's table talk were falsified to make him appear anti-christian. He doesn't care about the truth, he only cares about making christianity look bad including claiming that Hitler was a christian.
>>18023929Meanwhile over on /pol/...
>>18023929He admits that Hitler thought Jesus had an Aryan father (hence he didn't think Jesus was divine) but argues he was Christian anyways because he was a theist (debatable) following a christian tradition. Of course this would imply muslims are christians too, but he has basically conceded that aswell lmao.>>18023975>Hitler was a good CatholicHitler despised catholicism in his adulthood.
No atheist has ever called themself a "New atheist". It is purely invented as a term of abuse by people who hated the fact that atheism became popular and well-known about two decades ago.
>>18023984There was a line in his table talks that suggested that he was rather agnostic but I can't remember where it was.
>>18023277But atheism only exist because of modernism?nta
