>cut the skin off your penis to enter a flesh covenant with me >all your descendants must do this blood ritual as well>in return you will be fruitful rich and a great nationDoes this sound more like Unmoved Mover or desert demon to you?
>>18022473What does an Unmoved Mover "sound" like? All detached, philosophical and impersonal?
>>18022491Sounds like nothing, an eternal unchanging immaterial substance wouldn't reach out to some jews in a desert and promise them wordly powers in exchange for blood. I think.
Pre-modernism>Cut into your dick for this idol!Modernism>We should act upon the observations we can provePost-modernism>Cut into your dick for the tranny idol!Philosophy is the biggest joke on mankind.
I'm not even sure about the Old Testament anyway. Yes, Jesus is a better guy than the God in the Old Testament, but he said he was his son (they are one, a trinity, yes, yes, I know). It's just that the Old Testament is pretty demonic, I don't even know how it's different from pagan gods. Despite the fact that God forbids images there, he himself is clearly anthropomorphic and dwells in a temple (meaning he's definitely not the Absolute).Christians (and Jews and Muslims alike) combined some unusual entity (he's something like a Deva or Asura, that is, a powerful entity, but is he the most important?) with Greek philosophy, plus a human understanding of what is good, plus original sin and the corrupted world (but Christians destroyed Gnosticism). The result is a kind of mixture. To accept Christianity at a conscious age, you need to engage in intense mental gymnastics, especially when you know that the Jews were polytheists, and the geneology of Jesus is fictitiousIt's worth remembering that Abraham actually sacrificed Isaac (an ancient Jewish midrash confirms this) and that Jews regularly killed and burned animals near the Temple. I don't know, I don't know.I think either Seth or Horus was hiding in the fog in the Temple.
>>18022502https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipporah_at_the_innThis is a strange plot. Even if you take it literally, God (obviously anthropomorphic) wanted to kill Moses (or his son?) because his son was uncircumcised, but Moses' wife saved him by circumcising him with a stone, touching her blood-stained foreskin either to God or to Moses' feet, as if binding them with blood.By the way, when the Church Fathers read this, they were never bothered by it, but they zealously denounced the pagan gods. Demons, demons, demons! Demons everywhere! It seems the grandfathers ignored the inconvenient things
>>18022502> immaterial substanceSee, as long as you take the Prime Mover to be some kind of impersonal field, no revelation will be good enough. The Prime Mover is not only personal, he is more personal than you or I will ever be.
>>18022520>By the way, when the Church Fathers read this, they were never bothered by it, but they zealously denounced the pagan gods. Demons, demons, demons! Demons everywhere! It seems the grandfathers ignored the inconvenient thingsOr they had discernment that wasn't based on aesthetics.
>>18022524>no revelation will be good enoughI'm just asking for one where "he" doesn't tell you to mutilate yourself or take young girls as slaves after you kill their parents.
>>18022532So... for most revelations in the OT and the NT?
>>18022539>our religion is 90% free of blood rituals and sanctioned murderGood for you...?
>>18022552>It's good for you that most revelations meet my criteriaI mean I am happy for you, yes.
>>18022554>my criteriaA voice tells you to mutilate yourself for fame and riches. What are your next actions?
>>18022558My next actions would be to go to an exorcist and then likely a psychiatrist. Luckily that is not the scenario we are discussing:>A voiceGod who has established himself in every way possible>tells youTells the people he established himself to>to mutilate yourself To cut off a useless piece of skin>for fame and richesTo elevate humanity through your descendants
>>18022564Every way possible such as?>To cut off a useless piece of skinlol>To elevate humanity Promises of land, fertility and kingship elevate humanity how exactly?
>>18022577>Every way possible such as?Such as giving him advice, the advice paying off, giving him promises, the promises coming true, such as literally appearing to him etc. I can't thin of a way God skipped in establishing himself as a trustworthy being to Abraham.>>To elevate humanity>Promises of land, fertility and kingship elevate humanity how exactly?"all peoples on earth will be blessed through you" Gen 12:3"Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him." Gen 18:18"And through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." Gen 22:18"Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed." Gen 26:4"All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring." 28:14The insistence on all humanity benefiting from Abraham is quite frequent, definitely more frequent than kingship, which as far as I see Abraham isn't even promised, he is promised that from his descendants will come kings.
>>18022473Not polluting their blood was a requirement of the covenant. Clipping their foreskin allowed their women to know who was okay to fuck. The jews don't like it that Christians do it, their bloodline is already a complete mess.
>>18022520Its even weirder when you realize "foot" is often used as a euphemism for penis in the hebrew bible. So zipporah could have touched the blood to the sons penis, or moses's, or god's. None of the pronouns are clear. The story might be a competing archaic etiology for circumcision, where it serves as an apotropaic instead of a fertility ritual.
>>18022564>the people he established himself toyou mean one desert canaanite off-shoot out of the sea of human peoples
>>18022473That's the level of relationship with Him people of that time were capable of.
You people can't seem to grasp that God is not meant to be a tyrant. He wants you to do these things out of obedience.
