>Now, if death is without all sensation, a dreamless sleep, as it were, it would be indeed a wonderful gain. For I think if any one selected a night in which he had slept so soundly as to have had no dream, and then compared this night with the other nights and days of his life, and after serious consideration declared how many days and nights he had spent better and more pleasantly than this one, that not merely an ordinary mortal, but the great king of Persia himself, would find these but few in number as compared with all his other days and nights.
>>18022952Based on evidence, you have a mind and body, when the body dies (that includes the brain) the mind no longer exists, the brain is the engine the mind runs on
>>18023310>noooo your operating system will totally get uploaded to the cloud dude
If death is literally unconsciousness, Plato is right, death is a positive state. There is literally no suffering, so no loss.
Cheer up LondonYou're already dead!
>>18024289>death is a positive stateWrong. It's a null state. Whats positive about it?
>>18022952He's right. If that's what happens but... >>18023310Materialism Is wrong, even if better than most religions. Buddhism is one of the few religions that moggs materialism, and sadly reincarnation is real so Plato is wrong here.
>>18024625>and sadly reincarnation is real so Plato is wrong hereproof?
>>18024625Plato does believe in reincarnation, but it is a philosophical and moral process: the soul cycles through bodies based on virtue and knowledge, ultimately aiming to reunite with the eternal Forms. It’s not random or purely karmic—it’s purposeful, ethical, and directed toward truth.
>>18023310Material gives rise tk the immaterial...lol what? Hoe could you ever prove that through material means? This is the result of the removal of metaphysics...wow.
>>18024625>materialism is wrong because... it just is ok?
>>18024625>reincarnation exists[citation needed]
>>18022952Yes. Life is suffering.
>>18022952Plato, living millenia before theories of evolution emerged, just oversee the fear of death in this line of arguing. Although you could assume that he did this volunarly, since he considered a careless attitude toward death a virtue and this ethical assertation would hold no matter what death is, the neglact to discuss this important topic makes his philosophy less plausible as a whole.The idea that the loss of all sensation, including the experience of ourselves during consciousness, is hardly compfy if you are actually going to die. The feeling of lose something terrible valueble cames in the mind. We recognize the dreamless and deep sleep as relaxing because we woke up at some time and feel what this state did to our bodies and minds. In case of the death, we would never consciously feel the positive of such a effect. Yet, there isn't even such an effect at play, since the body rot to a corpus and the mind is no longer there.Plato gives us one of the first accounts of a court hearing after death and reincarnation in a meaningfull way, which, in my opionion, reveales Plato's line about how good a dreamless sleep is as a noble lie.As I say, he lies about death, because he belive that a fearless attitute toward death, a disdaine of dyng, is a virtue and he want to support virtue with his writings.
