Why didn't they have their own Socrates, Plato and Aristotle?
>>18023714High iran_J, which means low IQ
>>18023714They probably did, but their writings and records of their existence were destroyed when Alexander razed Persepolis.
All those philosophers were the product of an encounter with other cultures and ideas.
>>18023823No one ever copied their works, the only proofs of their existence were contained in the summer palace of persian kings and nobody remembered them afterwards? >>18023848kek
>>18023714They had the legendary zarathushtra my dude. Their kings alone would qualify as philosophers aswell.
>>18023935>No one ever copied their works, the only proofs of their existence were contained in the summer palace of persian kings and nobody remembered them afterwards? Are you aware of the vast scale of texts that have been lost from ancient Greece and even from relatively modern times? The amount of works forgotten and lost to history in all cultures is practically endless. And I'm not the person you're replying to, I have no stake in this argument, I just have to point out that your assumption is totally flawed.
Everything was more tightly controlled out there. Centralized, if the state didn't approve of what you were saying you'd be fucked. Vs. x number of independent Greek kingdoms/cities. Local tyrant hates your guts, rival tyrant will poach you and give you money and land.
>>18023714You could ask this question of nearly every tribe and ethnicity on earth, statistically speaking.In the classical era there were only the Greeks and Chinese.and then circa 1500 onward western Europeans slam dunked the shit out of everything
>>18023714nobody as valuable to humanity as aristotle was produced until the scientific revolution in europe
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>>18023714Zarathustra influenced each name you listed
>>18024186it's a shame he never existed then
>>18024189neither did Socrates, Plato and Aristotleno proofs
>>18024186To be direct he influenced Heraclitean fire and then Heraclitus influenced all those guys. Heraclitean fire is just the Zarathustra fire without the overt spiritual trappings tied to it.
>>18024141>The amount of works forgotten and lost to history in all cultures is practically endless.There's always one thing that I remember hearing. Neoplatonists claimed that a lot of Plato's thought was being transmitted orally in the academy without being written down. Let's just entertain that idea without assuming they've said so to add legitimacy to their additions - what else wasn't even written down?
>>18024013He came from the East. Him and his family migrated Westward.
>>18023714It was a nothingburger empire. Not only did they have no intellectual tradition on par with the Greeks, but when the Greeks conquered the Achaemenids they did so almost overnight. The whole massive structure, centuries old, toppled in less than a decade thanks to one ambitious warlord. I can't think of any comparable event in all of human history. Could you imagine the reverse? Even if one of the Achaemenid invasions of Greece was successful, they would not have been able to hold it, much less for 3 centuries like the Diadochi did with the East.
>>18023714They had 1 guy pretty early (zarathrusta)And that's it.Everything else was copyed by other older civs of the area.
>>18023714We now know from GWAS studies that Middle Easterners generally lack the cognitive capacity to produce men of eminence.
>>18024961>I can't think of any comparable event in all of human history.There are many, but it's clear you are attached to the argument you're putting forward
>>18023823Nope, it has been rather the Islamic expansion.The Egyptians etc. lacks philosophers, too.I think, this is because they have had another tradition of wisedom. Less commited to reason and intellect and more for some religious experience.
>>18023714If you haven't noticed by now, militarized societies do not produce intellectuals. Rome was quite poor in that aspect as well.
>>18025013Not enough poets, historians and naturalists for you?Real answer anon, this people don't read Islamic libraries
>>18025017Practically every intellectual in the Roman Empire came from the eastern half and wrote their works in Greek.
>>18024141Yet somehow Plato, Aristotle etc. survived. Keep coping.
>>18023823farroukhs always use this cope
Greece (most specifically Athens) had a special way of social organization which allowed for philosophy to grow. The state encouraged mass-assembleys and participation of politics, You were literally expected to commit yourself to this as a citizen. This breeded 'thinkers' among people.The state never tried to supress free thinking even if these thougts and words were hostile towards the city state (they eventually found a way to make everyone hate Socrates and have him killed, but that was the exception). Philosophy was often started by people simply questioning the laws of the state, and then took things further from there.Greece was also heavily more reliant on slavery which gave greater flexibility for wealthy people to commit their lives as poets and attend the academy.Should also be noted that Greek philosophers lived around the same time as Mahavira in India and Confucius in China, yet these had never met each others but still had roughly the same way of thinking and exploring natural law. Persia did have something similar going with Zoroaster who did preach individuality and responsiblity of ones actions which was a very new phenomenon in the ancient world since traditional religion was simply to subject yourself to the gods.
>>18025093I am aware. But you are confusing sufficient and necessary conditions, which is why your assumption is flawed
It's so weird because they had this vast territory with their own cultures, lands and beasts yet there's no persian georapher like herodotus or biographer or historian like Thucydides not even a thales type figure asking basic cosmological questions beyond religion. Most they have is the founder of Zoroastrianism.
Persians didn't even write their holy book not until the late Sassanid era. Didn't even import paper even tho they were close to China. They just didn't value these things.It's just mindless-conquering empires that imitated some ancient Mesopotamian culture.
>>18025085Except for every practical innovation, which was Roman or mastered by them.
>>18025707>no persian georapher like herodotusHe lived in the persian empire bro
>>18024499Some scandis wrote down their law 60% from one guy's memory apparently. There were people whose job it was just to remember things
>>18025308>>18024994>>18024961wrongthe first greek philosophy school was the temple of wisdom worshipping the greek god of wisdomphilosophy is literally a greek religious sectthe same nerdcore worshipping schools existed in sumeria and beforeplato was autistically worshipping skepticism
>>18023935Many of their works were destroyed in later upheavals, leaving scant trace.
>>18024163>nobody as valuable as Plato*…ftfy
