For example. The Turks speak Turkish because the Turks invaded, conquered the previous inhabitants of Anatolia/modern day Turkey and established kingdoms and later an empire there so now the people that live there speak Turkish.The Franks conquered modern day France and established kingdoms and eventually became the France we know today and are named after them. And they spoke a Germanic language known as Frankish. Yet the French speak a romance language despite conquering people that already lived there. And Frankish is a dead language today.
>>18025415they were germanized celts and un geramnized themselves
>>18025415Franks and romans shared the same religion, both wiewed Roman culture as the superior one and both had as Holy language the "standard" version of the roman tounge. Hence the Franks immediately adopted the language that was used in the local amministration/spirituality for themselves Turks and Byzantines instead had opposite religions and and antagonistic relations. Once the turks took over, there were no reasons whatsoever to adopt the tounge of the defeated and subjugated enemyGaul was also much more populated than Anatolia, making the forcefull linguistic shift in favor of the elite much harder
>>18025455What about southern slavic countries?What is the explaination there? There were other people living there and then slavs conquered most of the balkans and now most of it is slavic speaking
>>18025455Irl the Franks spoke Old Franconian and never wished to impose it on anyone. During Charlemagne's reign Carolinian Miniscule was developed to re-standardize Latin languages. This is because it was used by clergy and the vast majority of literate people, who largely already spoke some version of Latin in the HRE. Doing all of that with runes or imposing a Germanic language most did not already speak would have just been retarded, the Romans had already done the work of it. Most all Franks with influence and standing were apparently bilingual in Latin even when not literate.
Latin survives and evolves into Old French, then modern French. Frankish dies out, though it leaves a vocabulary layer and influences pronunciation.
>>18025519Isn't it already proven the balkans and britain had much more genetic replacement than france italy and spain
>>18025519Slavic balkaners are a result of migration and settlement, not conquest and cultural assimilation of the natives. Croats are for instance almost 80% proto-slavic ancestry wise, even bulgarians are 50%
>>18025628>Frankish dies outAhem
>>18025628>Frankish dies out
>>18025519the germanic tribes replaced the late imperial ruling class, the slavs replaced everyonethe everyday population of gaul, iberia, italy was pretty much unchanged while the illyrians/dacians/whatever were just wiped out or driven out
>>18025628>Frankish dies outAnon, if you really believe that then we hebben een serieus probleem
>>18025415Frankish survived in the homeland of the Franks. Flemish, Dutch are Frankish. No, I’m not joking. This is not a crackpot theory. The Frankish tongue was spoken there then and those people were never replaced by another group of people speaking a different language. Old Dutch and Old Flemish were the successors to Frankish, and then they themselves evolved into the modern languages.
>>18025676>Croats are for instance almost 80% proto-slavic ancestry wiseI thought they were mostly goths that were assimilated.
>>18025415Same reason the Tartars do not speak Tartar (Mongolian).
>>18025519The Balkans became almost completely depopulated during the plague of justinian. The slavs took over the empty farms and grew up their numbers from there
>>18025983Dialects from Cologne and Düsseldorf are Saxon/Frankish/Upper German hybrids, Hessian, Luxemburgish and Rhine Franconian have strong Frankish substrates
>>18025983franks were jewish
>>18025415Parts of the franks romanized in the 9th century, it became wallo-picard language as found in the earliest text Sequence of St Eulalie, then it eventually turned into the french language over the centuries
>>18025415The Franks basically fucked all the Italian women in the cities they conquered and went back to Belgium once they had conquered the entirety of Gaul. These Italian the women then ended up raising the bastards of the Franks alone resulting in French being Latin monolingual.ftfm
>>18026977Why is everything about rape on this board?
>>18026977Franks didn't rape because they were Aryan. They left that activity to the lower races.
>>18025415People spoke a dosen languages in turkey before the 1920is
>>18025415Germanic tribes never bothered to have plebs they ruled over speak their language, didn't happen with the lombards, visigoths, burgundians, suebi or kievan rus either. Only exception are anglo-saxons because they were like half the population of England, for everyone else it was a relatively small warrior elite
>>18026977nah that's not true, the northeast of France had a lot of frankish settlements and those places were bilingual for a long time
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>>18027085>>18027087'ville' are Roman-founded settlements. The Germanic did not inhabit cities. Compare with the term 'villain' as well - it anciently referred to the leftover Romans who had become resentful about the fall of their Empire.
>>18027090these settlements ending in ville etc almost always have a germanic personal name aswell
>>18027085>>18027087Vgh, to be a frankish settler of Gaul, so comfy
>>18025415After the revolution the french state made great efforts to create a french speaking people, using all sorts of institutions and even force, so now there is a people known as the french and they speak french, which wasnt the case before that, there were several different linguistic groups that almost functioned as separate ethnicities, this was problematic for france so it decided to unify them all by teaching them french, which they then proceded to do in other parts of the world, so since it defined 'french' as 'french speakers' now you cant even tell whos french by looking at themAs to why they dont speak a 1600 year old variation of some old germanic dialect, that must be a very long and complicated story that no one here will know how to explain, might have something to do with latin
>>18027101The word "Wiler" is derived from the Old High German "wilari," Middle High German "wiler," meaning "small village, hamlet, isolated farmstead." Wiler is a loanword from the Romansh "villare," meaning "farmstead, farmstead"; the latter is a substantivized neuter of the Latin adjective "villaris," meaning "belonging to a villa (estate, farm, country house)." The word was borrowed from Romansh into Old High German early on and served to name newly established farm settlements, hamlets.
>>18025415>And Frankish is a dead language today.Dutch is spoken by millions you retard.
my mother name is literally "ville" lol
>>18025519Germans imposed themselves as the élites of the roman population without replacing the natives (aside in Britain). The south slavs instead basically genocided the already Plague-depopulated natives of Illyria that either fleed to the coast (the dalmatians) or Hide in remote areas to live as sherperds (the Vlachs, ancestors of Romanians)
>>18025593Also once converted to Catholicism the frankish scholalry/religious class obliviously favored latin and especially the latin language, as it was the holy language of their church. They also wrote almost exclusively in latin, both for administration and faith stuffWhen every single teacher and educator favors a specific language to educated the people's youth, the language shift is bound to happen
>>18025983Dutch and Flemish belongs to the dialect continuum of the Frankonian languages, indeed.But the specific salic frankish variant spoke by the Frankish Kingdom dont have a direct descendant
>>18027838>The Salian Franks, or Salians, sometimes referred to using the Latin word Salii or Sali, were a Frankish people who lived in what is now the Netherlands in the fourth century.
They do. French is by far the most germanic influenced of all the romance languages you fuckin tard. Languages are always evolving. Proto French, Spanish, and Italian had already started to diverage from one another even before the WRE fell. >>18025455This, the Franks were probably the most pro Roman of all the big tribes. They assimilated quickly
>>18027838Germanic languages on the continent were 95% similar at that point. It would’ve ended up as a weak dialect with few unique features dictated by Standard Dutch or German anyway
>>18027867As other anons have pointed out plenty of completely unassimilated Franks are still around.
*ahem* Wij waren Merovingers en Karolingen enzovoort.
We couldve had a Dutch speaking France...
>>18027838How ironic that Old Frankish was mutually intelligible with Old English, yet the world now scoffs at English for being influenced by so-called 'French'.
>>18028008horrors have been avoided
>>18025415Yet another Aryan tribe fallen to those perfectly round brown cheeks. It's simply unfair.
>>18028019why would people scoff at that? French influence in English is what made England vaguely civilized and french words are a mark of higher class in English
Because Niggers domesticated them they were provided affection, a residue of yearning imprinted as if it were a suckling calf, and home is where the heart is
>>18028019All west germanic dialects were mutually intelligible
>>18028101>french words are a mark of higher class in EnglishNot exactly. More like Old Norman French, which was a completely different dialect that is archaic by today's standards. This should be stringently distinguished from any of the more recently imported French words.
>>18027892>*plenty of completely unassimilated swampy cousins of the franks are still aroundThe Franks themselves considered them a different tribe, as we know from reports of Frankish missionaries sent to concert the "Frisians", as Franks called them
>>18028209Frisians were only in Holland and Friesland, the rest of the Netherlands were Franks.Then you also have Flanders, Luxemburg, the Rhineland, Hesse, and of course Franconia.
>>18028209Only the northern third of the netherlands is saxon-frisian
>>18028209What the other guys said.
>>18028101Was your comment meant for somebody else? Because it's not an answer to my point. LOL
>>18027085>tfw you will never be the master of a rape plantation in Roman Gaul>tfw you'll never get to rape Italian women in mass while puny Italian eunuchs pick your cotton for you *sighs*
>>18025415There were many languages back in the day in France, the langues d'oc and the langues d'oil. One day the académie française was founded, and they decided "fuck all of you our variant of the language is better" and they imposed it on the entire country and that's how we got here.
Franks were not french, their heartland is now Belgium.
Franks knew their culture was inferior and quickly assimilated into Gallo-Roman society.
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Franks=Belgiansand the romanized ones=walloonsThe neighbouring Germanic tribes hated the Franks for being rome dick-suckers, it determined centuries of wars (franks vs saxons, catholic vs protestants, roman world vs pangermanism)..The Kulturkampf was a protestant prussian spergout against frankish catholics.
>>18029865Almost half of the franks are protestant
>>18025415You have to understand that the Germanic peoples loved Roman society for the most part and sought to uphold Roman culture and institutions. Take note of how neither of the gothic kingdoms speak gothic today, instead they speak a descendant of Latin. If you look at the Germanic rulers themselves, men like Theodoric the great and Charlemagne went on their conquests in attempts at restoring the Roman empire and saw their kingdoms as a continuation of such. Not to mention that by the time of theodicy the great, the Goths had already been Foederati of the Romans for roughly 200 years. They were heavily Romanized people at that point. Why would they want to impress their Germanic traditions onto glorious Rome?Compare this with the Turks or Hungarians who didn't care at all for the people they were subjugating. They saw themselves as superior and had little to no interest in becoming anything like those that they had conquered. The Arabs saw their language and culture as divine and actively worked to spread it. It was a completely different mindset than what you saw amongst the Germanic barbarians.
>>18029873well it's hard to say how "frank" they are because of how anachronistic it is vs protestantism, as opposed to saxons, prussians, thuringians etc...but the "Frankish" idea tended toward Roman catholicism whereas Protestantism is a rupture from romeAlso during the 19th century german romantic era Charlemagne was depicted as an enemy of Germany who subjugated Widukind and the Saxons, to which Germans strongly identified
>>18030533>well it's hard to say how "frank" they are because of how anachronistic it is vs protestantismMeaning it is anachronistic to at all talk of Franks as a Catholic identity juxtaposed to Protestant Germans.>but the "Frankish" idea tended toward Roman catholicism whereas Protestantism is a rupture from romeThe investiture controversy started under the Frankish Salian dynasty.>Charlemagne was depicted as an enemy of GermanyThe problem many romantic nationalists had with Charlemagne is that he wiped out German paganism, that he was a Frank and his enemies Saxons had nothing to do with it. However, many also revered him as a UNIFIER of Germany since he was the first to unite all the German tribes into one realm.
>>18028115exactly
>>18030255foreigners determined the forwarding context for "germnaic" civilization considering their dynasities comprised of foreigners becuase they were Built by foreignersextending beyond a mudhut hut, whites dont have claim to much considering they always been defined and managed by greater men
>>18030760>that he was a Frank and his enemies Saxons had nothing to do with it.of course it was, Charlemagne was compared to Napoleon who invaded and subjugated Germans, and Napoleon called his crown the "crown of Charlemagne". Many germans identified with Widukind.The problem for Germany is that Charlemagne is a pan-European figure, but not a pangermanist one. That's why Bismarck didn't build a statue of Charlemagne but of Germania instead; they were too much in rivalry with France.
>>18030883More like browns are incapable of building armies, so they resort to Germanic man doing the fighting for him. Brown man too lazy to leave his mansion.
