Nobody is denying that there were bad policies that would even contradict themselves and there were also people in charge who shouldn't have been but that can be said about any ideology that was put into practice. Though the difference here is that unlike any other this one is so thoroughly despised and censored that it's completely impossible to ever be sincerely discussed. That's completely political and not philsophical at all. Doing what's best for your nation instead of personal profit is the most efficient way of living and the scandinavian countries proved that.
>>18026255War and genocide wasn’t what was best for Germany
>>18026258The Holocaust's a lie and war actually was the best thing that Germany would do it's just that Hitler was a retard when compared to Frederick THE GREAT
>>18026255Julius Evola's Notes on the Third Reich. You really can't take away the political aspects in viewing it because it really was more "Hitlerism" that changed by the year than any kind of focused ideology.
>>18026255>Has there ever been a legitimate, philosophical criticism against national socialism?They lost.
>>18026255They lost to the might of Russian Bolshevism
>>18026258Which is why Hitler did everything to prevent that but the allies hated him really badly for some reason.
>>18026259I was thinking more about the atrocities in Belarus and the war lead to Germany being broken in two for 40+ years. The war destroyed Germany. >>18026264Yeah, the serial liar who annexed 2 neighboring countries and went billions in debt to rearm Germany did everything to prevent war retard
>>18026255The Corporatist undercurrent to National Socialism flies in the face of its conception of "Volksgemeinschaft" (where the workers are meant to be liberated from class strife).
>>18026264Everything except not invading Austria, Czechslovakia, and Poland, which the Allies repeatedly told him not to do. Yeah, he tried reaaaal hard to avoid war.
National-Socialism was all about:1. Racial socialism2. Militarism3. Authoritarian nationalism4. Antisemitism5. Pursue of autarky & expansion.So yes, its a dumb ideology. Socialism is dumb and racial socialism is even worse. Antisemitism is dumb and authoritarianism is dumb.A lot of Hitlers ideas were based on lies and misunderstanding of the world. He did not believe in capitalism and free market, in fact he believed in the shrinking market fallacy.We also know today that globalism is the best financial system and autarky is the way to poverty. States thrive through trade and specialized production.Finally, Hitler romanticized war, meaning National-Socialism romanticized war. War is never good anon.
>>18026260Which is not about the ideology itself.>>18026263>RussianNothing Russian about it. Even people like Solzhenitsyn realized who's behind it.>>18026266>>18026270It was literal self-defense. They wanted to completely enslave them.
>>18026275Yeah, the Belarusian peasant who’s family was slaughtered in front of them wanted to enslave Germans
>>18026267Elaborate.>>18026272>it's dumb >won't explain whyClearly a bait post.
>>18026275You saying Hitler was such a pussy that he feared conquest by the mighty Polack?
>>18026279>>18026283No, the allies. They were playing the long game.
>>18026282It's hard to maintain that you're promoting an end to class division while also crushing trade unions and outlawing strikes in the service of corporate interests.
>>18026282>won't explain whyI did, didnt I?Want me to explain further?National-Socialism antisemitism also comes from a lie. They believed they lost in 1918 because of jews which both fed the idea of aryanism. Hitlers entire movement was built on the idea that they were betrayed in 1918, thats when NS starts, and thats when Hitlers antisemitism starts. We know today that Germany was in a hopless situation in 1918 and that it was primarily Ludendorff who created the myth of undefeated army, mainly to preserve his and the armys reputation & political power. Hitler and co bought that lie.
>>18026275You're coping. Bolshevism's power proved the superiority of the Russian race
Claiming National Socialism is just about "Doing what's best for your nation instead of personal profit" is a hilarious lie. It's about creating a totalitarian militaristic society where dissent is not allowed and enslaving and exterminating Jews and Slavs to repopulate the territory taken from these murdered people with "Nordics" and "Germanics" and then creating some kind of agrarian society where these blonde haired blue eyed people are soldier-farmers that worship nature and the Germanic race.
>>18026292I don't think that could be done during war time and especially the position they were in.>>18026294>I did, didnt I?No, you literally didn't. All you said it's dumb and full of lies. You're clearly a very dishonest person, how ironic.>>18026298Nope, it was a pyrrhic victory. The actual Russians got even more mixed, got even worse living conditions, had more casualities and these things keep them living in terrible conditions to this day.
>>18026299See, this is what I'm talking about. People like you are so insanely brainwashed it's hilarious. That's why you don't have any proofs and just tirades.
>>18026318No, that's actually what National Socialism is. I've studied National Socialism and the German language for years. I've read all the "intellectuals" of NS doctrine extensively including many untranslated works, Hans F. K. Günther, Alfred Rosenberg, Walther Darré, and many transcripts of Hitler's speeches. You probably watched Europa the Last Battle and The Greatest Story Never Told and believe in the wholesome chungus Hitler myth.
>>18026326>I've studied it for years and that's why I can't prove itAnother epic post!
>>18026328Prove what in particular? The proof could easily fill volumes, where do I even begin? You can just read Johann Chapoutot's books on Nazism if you want a good overview, his book The Law of Blood is excellent and proves more or less what I've said in great detail. He cites and quotes all these NS intellectuals exhaustively.
>>18026336>Prove what in particular?Are you insane, really? What do you mean what to prove in particular? The things you claimed, of course?!?
>>18026311Russia is only getting more powerful while Westoids keep taking Ls
>>18026342You're asking me to describe the entire NS worldview and back it up with extensive citation which is quite a demand of me. Where do you want to start? That Nazis wanted to genocide Slavs for Lebensraum? That much is obvious, he says as much even if we restrict ourselves to Mein Kampf alone.
>>18026311>No, you literally didn't. All you said it's dumb and full of lies. You're clearly a very dishonest person, how ironic.You literally have no argument as of why NS is a good ideology you moron.Planned economy and controlled market is always doomed to fail, and authoritarianism is gay as fuck because people thrive in small government and it's also morally better to protect individualism. The anitsemitism was built on a lie from 1918, as is the pursue for autarky because globalism and free trade is the key to prosperity as pretty much 99% of all worlds economists has agreed on, and we have countless of examples where states who isolated from the global market plunge into poverty, despite being rich on natural resources, while states who depend on globalism and specialized production like Japan and modern Germany are the greatests economies on the planet.Also, war is bad, and NS glorified war and militarism. I dont need to explain this position. Go die in Ukraine if you think war is cool. Make sure you film your own death while you're at it.It's easier to argue in favor of fascism as an ideology than National-Socialism. At least Fascism kinda makes sense, even though its insane as fuck because Fascism is basically another word for National-syndicalism, and national-syndicalism in theory is basically Stalins Soviet Union in practice: A hyper statist elite party system that mobilize the population, the production, the economy etc for the benefit of the state.Democracy and capitalism works. The only retards who says otherwise are faggots who live in democratic capitalist states and want to try to be edgy and different.
>>18026345Yes, only two more weeks and they will finally win!
>>18026259>>18026299>>18026347Hitler's ideas were somewhat good in theory but they terribly failed in practice because he was a faggot who couldn't represent his "Fuhrer" role unlike Frederick
>>18026345"100,000+ military deaths and the collapse of our political allies has only made us stronger!". NATO is cooking Russia without a single boot on the ground. Afghanistan all over again but worse.
>>18026360Doesnt the US estimate that casualty ration is around 1:35 lolImagine 35 Russians for every Ukranian. No wonder they send African nigger mercenaries and North korean chinks to fill the lines and act like cannonfodder.Keep sending those drones.
>>18026347Considering how sure you're in your beliefs that shouldn't be a problem at all and if you had even an ounce of intellect you would know how to provide a proof for you claims. Instead you continue to embarrass yourself even if not obvious for you.>>18026348But I literally did in my last sentence on my first post.>Planned economy and controlled market is always doomed to fail404 proof not found>and authoritarianism is gay as fuck because people thrive in small governmentNobody has an idea what you meant by that.>also morally better to protect individualismAs we can see nobody cares and wants to protect that when they can't have their share. >much 99% of all worlds economists has agreed onThen why are so many people living paycheck to paycheck and will never own a house or even be able to provide for their family at all? And at the same time the rich are getting richer and the gap between them and the poor is getting bigger? Why are you being so dishonest, seriously. >I dont need to explain this positionBut you do, Hitler was simply defending himself and that was the only way to raise the morale. Every the Germans went they were known for how peaceful and kind they were, can't be said the same about the allies. >Democracy Proof that it has ever been tried? As we can see the votes can be easily manipulated and the rich can do whatever they want >and capitalism worksNope, even the rich realize that unless you fully enslave everyone it's not economically sustainable because there's only so much profit that you can raise every year.
>>18026360>>18026366They blame Russians for sending North Koreans but they forget that these "political allies" that Putin lost were actually replaced with picrel Islamic terrorists not "Western democracies" so it's only a matter of time before NATO collapses and China won't betray it's formerly communist allies before that happens
>>18026255If those who defended it didn't tend to be massive disingenuous faggots then there would be more discussion about the ideology of NS itself. As it stands no one actually wants to have a discussion about it
>>18026404Damn, that's some next level projecting.
Unlike fascism in Italy, it leaves no room for compromise.
>>18026255Well, do you consider massive theft and corruption a philosophical criticism? I’d point out murdering a bunch of innocent people is bad, but you give off it never happened, but they deserved it, and we’ll do it again vibes so you probably view that as a feature and not a bug.
>>18026255The closest thing to what you are describing is Jung's "After The Catastrophe", and I will say that while it is compelling, the critiques ring hollow in todays world. I have never read a Jung book, moreover, that felt more forced, it was strange, it felt like the man was asked to write it with a gun to his head.
>>18026255Evola also wrote some critiques, but I think the only perspective which can truly critique the German ideal of national socialism is a German one.
>>18026804Is this why you didn't put any effort to elaborate?>>18026804Well, as we can see you're not mentally stable and act like a psychic so you're not really proving any point other mine.>>18026811So it's not an actual critique.>>18026815He wrote about it expecting a perfect representation which is addressed in my very first sentence.
There is none because Nazism isn't a real "philosophy" it's just a Pan-Germanist Populist movement. Criticisms against pan-ethnic movements and Nordicist autism do exist aplenty, but the scholarly consensus on populism is mixed, probably because populism is also a fairly broad term anyways.
>>18027235Thank you for taking some time off from your dilation routine to post that but sadly there are no proofs in it.
>>18026255"sentimentality" - Andre GregoryMy Dinner With Andre (1981)
>>18027226What kind of elaboration do you want? We’re still recovering shit the Nazis stole. The leadership of the party just helped themselves to what ever they wanted. Do I really need to explain to you why an unaccountable totalitarian state develops corruption issues? I wouldn’t talk about mental stability though. You are, after all, a Nazi.
>>18026255The ideology of Nazism is based on outdated 19th century racial-pseudoscience and a complete misunderstanding of 19th century philosophers. Nazis claim that Nietzsche is the source of their ideology and constantly bring up his concept of der Übermensch™ while completely ignoring the fact that Nietzsche himself was opposed to nationalism, authoritarianism, and antisemitism, even going as far as to say that “all antisemites ought to be shot.”There, philosophically Nazism is nonsense.
>>18027987It wasn't based at all on Nietzsche and his concept of Übermensch. Nazism is more or less an extreme radical continuation of the pangermanic movement.
>>18026375>>18028002Hitler believed Germans were closer to Turks than to Franks due to the late antiquity rivalry between the Western Roman Empire's Gauls and Attila's Huns
>>18026255TIKhistory has done so in several videos
>>18026255Because national socialism isn't a defined dogma like marxism is.Some figures within the party and others after the war wrote manifestos of what they believed naziism to be about, but the actual rule of the NSDAP wasn't that ideological.The only ideology the nazis had beyond the race stuff was being hardcore anti-communist and also hating the execess of capitalism. Your mentioning the scandinavian countries (social democracies) is evidence to this.
>>18026294the 1918 dolchstoß thing wasn’t that important to their antisemitism https://youtu.be/qDE7MGjUVJI?si=UxwBAy7CTDOHOQEI
>>18028469It was important. Thats where the antisemitism starts.Before ww1 Hitler wasnt an antisemite. Yeah he says he was in Mein Kampf but there is little actual proof of it because he surrounded himself with jews before, so what he wrote was a retrospective change of his own history to fit his current ideology. The loss of ww1 and the stab myth was the trigger.
