>Also the Pelasgians who once lived with the Athenians and then settled Plakia and Skylake in the Hellespont; and along with those who lived with all the other communities and were once Pelasgian but changed their names. If one can judge by this evidence, the Pelasgians spoke a barbarian language. And so, if the Pelasgian language was spoken in all these places, the people of Attica being originally Pelasgian, must have learned a new language when they became Hellenes
>>18026638we don't have their samples yet
>>18026638But the irony is that they consider other European people who spoke IE like them to be barbarians, but not non-IE speaking Egyptians and Phoenicians, hue.
>>18026650>MENANice try? I guess >First, the Syrians (Isaac 2004: 335–50): They were born for slavery according to the familiar formula (Cicero, de provinciis consularibus 2.5.10; Livy 35.49.8; Livy 36.17.4–5). The presumed qualities of the Syrians and other Asiatic peoples which earn them the description of having been born for slavery are: servility, effeminacy, perversity. Homosexuality, self-castration, perverted cults are all associated with this presumed lack of masculinity. They were no fighters, it was thought
>>18026650but they did describe the egyptian and phoenicians as barbarians. literally anyone who was not hellenic was a barbarian
>>18026673>>18026690Nordjeets coping again
>>18026700he literally says that the people of asia (which is you rajneet muhammed) are 'intelligent and inventive but lacking courage and forever subject to a state of slavery'. he is literally calling you a bunch of nerdy, bookish goy cattle, proto-jews. he called the northern europeans 'full of spirit' by comparison. you picture literally proves my point that the greeks saw ALL people foreign to them as barbarians, not just specifically northern europeans. the very word barbarian was applied to anyone who was not hellenic, in the same manner that the germanics utilized the word walhaz or 'foreigner', a term they applied to people as varied as the welsh to the vlachs. you are not a european; you have no place in western civilization. return to turkey
>>18026718he's brazilian, watch my post disappear and see you in three days kek
>>18026718Stoicism founded by Greco-Phoenician man. What did the Nordic contribute to Greek civilization?
>>18026728It's been 2,000 years, greece has been nothing but a source of dancing boys for ottoman wine shops for the last 500 years
>>18026728>actually invents stoicismuh oh! how did a blond barbarian from the north do that?
>>18026673>CiceroRoman, not Greek, retard. They also shit on other Europeans and most of their slaves were native Italics, not Levantines.>Roman slavery was not based on race. Slaves were drawn from all over Europe and the Mediterranean, including Gaul, Hispania, Germany, Britannia, the Balkans, Greece etc. Generally slaves in Italy were indigenous Italians, with a minority of foreigners (including both slaves and freedmen) born outside of Italy estimated at 5% of the total in the capital, where their number was largest, at its peak. Those from outside of Europe were predominantly of Greek descent, while the Jewish ones never fully assimilated into Roman society, remaining an identifiable minority. The slaves (especially the foreigners) had higher mortality rates and lower birth rates than natives, and were sometimes even subjected to mass expulsions. The average recorded age at death for the slaves of the city of Rome was extraordinarily low: seventeen and a half years (17.2 for males; 17.9 for females). By comparison, life expectancy at birth for the population as a whole was in the mid-twenties (36% percent of men could expect to reach the age of 62 and 27% of women if they succeeded in reaching the age of 10)>The overall impact of slavery on the Italian genetics was insignificant though, because the slaves imported in Italy were native Europeans, and very few if any of them had extra European origin. This has been further confirmed by recent biochemical analysis of 166 skeletons from three non-elite imperial-era cemeteries in the vicinity of Rome (where the bulk of the slaves lived), which shows that only 1 individual definitely came from outside of Europe (North Africa), and another 2 possibly did, but results are inconclusive. n the rest of the Italian peninsula, the amount of non European slaves was definitively much lower than that
>>18026755>meme about hadrians wall>'germanic pride!'the brazilian reveals further his ignorance of white people history
>>18026673>Homosexuality, self-castration, perverted cults are all associated with this presumed lack of masculinity.why are menajeets like this
>>18026728Pythagoras too. >Pythagoras's father was Mnesarchus, while his mother was Pythais and she was a native of Samos. Mnesarchus was a merchant who came from Tyre, and there is a story that he brought corn to Samos at a time of famine and was granted citizenship of Samos as a mark of gratitude. As a child Pythagoras spent his early years in Samos but travelled widely with his father. There are accounts of Mnesarchus returning to Tyre with Pythagoras and that he was taught there by the Chaldaeans and the learned men of Syria
>>18026728>>18026777>>18026737
>>18026779The Scientific Revolution that allowed Western Europe to reach the Great Divergence literally only happened because of Greek scholars fleeing Byzantium to Italy while it was being taken over by the Turks, you absolutely ignorant jackass.>The migration waves of Byzantine Greek scholars and émigrés in the period following the end of the Byzantine Empire in 1453 are considered by many scholars key to the revival of Greek studies that led to the development of Renaissance humanism and science. These émigrés brought to Western Europe the relatively well-preserved remnants and accumulated knowledge of their own (Greek) civilization, which had mostly not survived the Early Middle Ages in the West. The Encyclopædia Britannica claims: "Many modern scholars also agree that the exodus of Greeks to Italy as a result of this event marked the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the Renaissance," although few scholars date the start of the Italian Renaissance this late>The Scientific Revolution was a series of events that marked the emergence of modern science during the early modern period, when developments in mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology (including human anatomy) and chemistry transformed the views of society about nature. The Scientific Revolution took place in Europe in the second half of the Renaissance period, with the 1543 Nicolaus Copernicus publication De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres) often cited as its beginning. The Scientific Revolution has been called "the most important transformation in human history" since the Neolithic Revolution
>>18026799If that was truly the case the industrial revolution should've happened in the byzantine empire, not some "barbarian backwater" like 18th century england, no?
>>18026799>The Great Divergence or European miracle is the socioeconomic shift in which the Western world (i.e. Western Europe along with its settler offshoots in Northern America and Australasia) overcame pre-modern growth constraints and emerged during the 19th century as the most powerful and wealthy world civilizations, eclipsing previously dominant or comparable civilizations from Asia such as Qing China, Mughal India, the Ottoman Empire, Safavid Iran, and Tokugawa Japan, among others>Scholars have proposed a wide variety of theories to explain why the Great Divergence happened, including geography, culture, institutions, and luck. There is disagreement over the nomenclature of the "great" divergence, as a clear point of beginning of a divergence is traditionally held to be the 16th or even the 15th century, with the Commercial Revolution and the origins of mercantilism and capitalism during the Renaissance and the Age of Discovery, the rise of the European colonial empires, proto-globalization, the Scientific Revolution, or the Age of Enlightenment. Yet the largest jump in the divergence happened in the late 18th and 19th centuries with the Industrial Revolution and Technological Revolution. For this reason, the "California school" considers only this to be the great divergenceThe collapse in trade networks and the rise of Christianity as a political force during the early middle ages ended up eliminating most slavery in Western Europe.The Black Death broke the back of serfdom in Western Europe —> Rise of the Middle Class —> Social Mobility —> Society turns into a meritocracy. The real great change was England between 1100 ad and 1500 ad where there was a miracle which took place of most the population going from being illiterate serfs to being freemen who were aspiring professionals. This broke down regional markets and created waves of medieval urbanisation which led to nation-wide economy and economic viability of widespread mechanisation.
>>18026803Again, none of this explains why the scientific revolution happened specifically in western europe instead of le based levantine east.
>>18026803There were Greek and Roman republics to imitate. The Printing Press made dissemination of information orders of magnitude more easy than it had previously been. Europe developed colleges which spread knowledge of science. Patent laws created a unique incentive to create and publicize economically useful technologies.The combination of all of these produced the Scientific Revolution in 1500-1600s. Industrial revolution in the 1700-1800s was started by scientific achievements. You can make railroads in Rome if you now how and no slave labor cant even pretend they could compete with railroad. But Romans didn't know how, they had no science.>>18026802>>18026808Because England, among other important factors, was the country with the most coal mines (today it's China) per density due to being an island. Your idiotic question is on the same level of "Why are Saudis the largest oil producers?">Geological maps and carboniferous surfaces. Left Figure: Historical Coalfields, in yellow, are digitized from The Atlas Les Houilléres Européennes, by Pol et al. (1931). Different shades of blue indicate the number of historical coal-mines as documented by the ERIH Project. Right Figure: Red polygons map carboniferous surfaces from the geological map of Asch (2007). Black triangles represent major coal-deposits in Europe, based on data from Thomas and Thomas (2002)
>>18026826And civilised anatolians just sat on their coal reserves because...?
>>18026831Britbongs knew about their coal mines since the Middle Ages. Turkroachs only discovered them in the 19th century, when the Industrial Revolution was in full swing in England and starting in the rest of Europe. They were only able to have their own after modernization when Turkey became a indepedent country from Ottoman Sultan in 1922-23. >After the Romans left Britain, in AD 410, there are few records of coal being used in the country until the end of the 12th century. One that does occur is in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for the year 852 when a rent including 12 loads of coal is mentioned. In 1183 a smith was given land for his work, and was required to "raise his own coal". Shortly after the granting of the Magna Carta, in 1215, coal began to be traded in areas of Scotland and the north-east England, where the carboniferous strata were exposed on the seashore, and thus became known as "sea coal". This commodity, however, was not suitable for use in the type of domestic hearths then in use and was mainly used by artisans for lime burning, metal working and smelting. As early as 1228, sea coal from the north-east was being taken to London>During the 13th century, the trading of coal increased across Britain and by the end of the century most of the coalfields in England, Scotland and Wales were being worked on a small scale. As the use of coal amongst the artisans became more widespread, it became clear that coal smoke was detrimental to health and the increasing pollution in London led to much unrest and agitation. As a result of this, a Royal proclamation was issued in 1306 prohibiting artificers of London from using sea coal in their furnaces and commanding them to return to the traditional fuels of wood and charcoal>During the first half of the 14th century coal began to be used for domestic heating in coal producing areas of Britain, as improvements were made in the design of domestic hearths
>>18026880>Edward III was the first king to take an interest in the coal trade of the north east, issuing a number of writs to regulate the trade and allowing the export of coal to Calais. The demand for coal steadily increased in Britain during the 15th century, but it was still mainly being used in the mining districts, in coastal towns or being exported to continental Europe. However, by the middle of the 16th century supplies of wood were beginning to fail in Britain and the use of coal as a domestic fuel rapidly expanded>In 1575, Sir George Bruce of Carnock of Culross, Scotland, opened the first coal mine to extract coal from a "moat pit" under the sea on the Firth of Forth. He constructed an artificial loading island into which he sank a 40 ft shaft that connected to another two shafts for drainage and improved ventilation. The technology was far in advance of any coal mining method in the late medieval period and was considered one of the industrial wonders of the age>The Economics of English Mining in the Middle Ages is the economic history of English mining from the Norman invasion in 1066, to the death of Henry VII in 1509. England's economy was fundamentally agricultural throughout the period, but the mining of iron, tin, lead and silver, and later coal, played an important part within the English medieval economy>William the Conqueror invaded England in 1066, defeating the Anglo-Saxon King Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings and placing the country under Norman rule. This campaign was followed by fierce military operations known as the Harrying of the North between 1069 and 1070, extending Norman authority across the north of England. William's system of government was broadly feudal in that the right to possess land was linked to service to the king, but in many other ways the invasion did little to alter the nature of the English economy and mining enterprise
>>18026880>>18026881Favelaroach, at the end of the day any argument that fleeing byzantine scholars are responsible for the scientific revolution obviously leads to the question as to why the scientific revolution could not be achieved in the heartland of the byzantine empire
>>18026881>Mining did not make up a large part of the English medieval economy, but the 12th and 13th centuries saw an increased demand for metals in England, thanks to the considerable population growth and building construction, including the great cathedrals and churches. Four metals were mined commercially in England during the period: iron, tin, lead and silver using a variety of refining techniques. Coal was also mined from the 13th century onwards>Iron mining occurred in several locations including the main English center in the Forest of Dean, as well as in Durham and the Weald. Some iron to meet English demand was also imported from the continent, especially by the late 13th century By end of the 12th century, the older method of acquiring iron ore through strip mining was being supplemented by more advanced techniques, including tunnels, trenches and bell-pits. Iron ore was usually locally processed at a bloomery and by the 14th century the first water-powered iron forge in England was built at Chingley. As a result of the diminishing woodlands and consequent increases in the cost of both wood and charcoal, demand for coal increased in the 12th century and began to be commercially produced from bell-pits and strip miningThe overpopulation in england demanded a lot of fuel for industry, so the coal (forests were already devastated) was mined more and more deeply, but a new problems with underground water emerged with that. With the high demand for coal, ppl focused on this problematic, and eventually inveted the steam engine to run the pumps, starting the industrial revolution. There was no such radical demand in medieval times.>>18026890Because the Crusaders/Venetians and Turkroaches destroyed the Byzantine Empire causing brain drain, you bastard. The Greeks already had a proto-steam engine and would have had an Industrial Revolution before the Bongs if that hadn't happened.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile
>>18026900Holy fucking shit are you retarded.Again, how did the Byzantine Empire have unlimited access to the scientific legacy of the ancient Greeks - yet it was only when their scholars hauled ass to western Europe that Scientific Revolution happened?
>>18026904>how did the Byzantine Empire have unlimited access to the scientific legacy of the ancient Greeks They didn't have it unfortunately thanks to Justinian. >The last Greek philosophers of the revived Academy in the 6th century were drawn from various parts of the Hellenistic cultural world and suggest the broad syncretism of the common culture (see koine): Five of the seven Academy philosophers mentioned by Agathias were Syriac in their cultural origin: Hermias and Diogenes (both from Phoenicia), Isidorus of Gaza, Damascius of Syria, Iamblichus of Coele-Syria and perhaps even Simplicius of Cilicia. The emperor Justinian closed the school in 529 A.D.. The last Scholarch of the Academy was Damascius (d. 540). According to the sole witness, the historian Agathias, its remaining members looked for protection under the rule of Sassanid king Khosrau I in his capital at Ctesiphon, carrying with them precious scrolls of literature and philosophy, and to a lesser degree of science. After a peace treaty between the Persian and the Byzantine empire in 532, their personal security (an early document in the history of freedom of religion) was guaranteed>It has been speculated that the Academy did not altogether disappear. After his exile, Simplicius (and perhaps some others), may have travelled to Harran, near Edessa. From there, the students of an Academy-in-exile could have survived into the 9th century, long enough to facilitate the Arabic revival of the Neoplatonist commentary tradition in Baghdad>One of the earliest academies established in the east was the 7th century Academy of Gundishapur in Sassanid Persia
>>18026913That makes even less sense, Justinian permanently nerfed all scientific achievements of the ERE from 600 to 1460 - after which fleeing ERE refugees were able to illuminate the barbarian westoids with their knowledge?
>>18026765Natural behavior
>>18026638>we wuz grave circle b n shieeet tiresome
>>18027145the samples are not out yet, only in 2026 or 2027. we'll see
>>18027154>we'll see/his/tards will spam daily, then when they turn out south euro-like like the other shaft graves it'll be pic rel
>>18027159The samples haven't come out yet and until then, we can't keep barking. And see, you're so beastly, that you put words in my mouth just to realize>spamLike you and your friends?
>>18027165Let's say they have a chance of being like Logkas. What would that prove? Logkas still clusters with South Euros.
>>18027167the samples are not out yet, I will not speculate
>>18027212>>18027167And again, useless being, why do you think i m talking about "north" cluster? Did i say it? Tard.
>>18026673>(Cicero, de provinciis consularibus 2.5.10; Livy 35.49.8; Livy 36.17.4–5).these are roman sources tho
>>18026904Not him but you seem uppity. The byzantines were in a constant state of warfare outside of their capital. England was pretty much safe for most of its medieval history with invasions being major one off events. The great divergence in Western Europe happened only after Byzantium was sacked by crusaders. Or after Jerusalem was captured in 1099.
>>18026638Idk and don't even care what you mean, Arap.
"Modern Europeans" are unrelated to WHG and EHG, let alone to UP Europeans... Lol, piece of shit Araps designed to be raped by East Eurasian dicks.
Your "West European" and "South European" sisters want to jump on my East Eurasian Tianyuan Yamnaya dick. Is this why you piece of shit Araps hate me so much?
Is there a lie in my word, Greekjeet? >>>/int/215293070https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnCX1PpaJMk
>>18026638"Barbarian" is some sort of Indo-European onomatopoeia for a non-IE speaker. See Sanskrit बर्बर (barbara, “barbarian, non-Aryan, stammering, blockhead”).https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%AC%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82
>Jeeto-GayROPEean.Just use shItalian.
>>18026638The pelasgians, or, proto-Greeks prior to the Dorian invasion(s) probably spoke an indo-European language related to Thracian, which the classical Greeks also considered “barbarian”Or something Basically there are two different ancestral indo-European languages to Greek, which is why it’s so fucking different to most other IE branches.
>>18027310Your link doesn't claims such thing
>>18027374Because it's an incomplete Wiktionary entry which I am merely using to show that some words exist. Using the attested words below, a PIE onomatopoeia *barbar- “babbler, tongue-tied, foreign speaking, foreigner, barbarian” can be reconstructed:• Mycenaean pa-pa-ro */barbaros/ (Linear B uses defective spelling and no ⟨b⟩ graphemes exist)• Attic/Ionic βάρβαρος bárbaros “non-Greek speaking, foreign”• Sanskrit बर्बर barbara “barbarian, foreigner, non-Aryan”Words like Latin balbus “stammering, stuttering” are also allowed to be related because of [l] ~ [r] allophony already present in PIE or because of /r/ > /l/ dissimilations which happened in IE languages.
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>>18026700>gets blown the fuck out by Rome
>>18027725do you think you subhuma we wuz phonecian has blue eye brown? it is symbol. Aristotle don't know about the sun that can make your fucking hair lighter. If he say about phonecian or some tribes. It can be good for your we wuz but he said clearly about fucking people who work with the sea. It can be his greek people. And he think red hair is subhuman like nordic."The reddish are of bad character.""Those with tawny coloured hair are brave; witness the lions. [But those with] reddish [hair] are of bad character; witness the foxes."
>>18027854*blue eyebrow.
>>18026749he doesn't have any contribution. He love greek culture and become the symbol for barbarian who become greek.
>>18027265How many centuries of peace did the ancient greeks need for everything they achieved
>>18026638they actually don't look very southeastern european imo
>>18027370Source?
>>18027370>Dorian invasion(s)dead meme
>>18026650The Greeks conquered both of those """cultures""", and quite easily. IE wins again and both of those languages and cultures are long gone and only known because of the Greeks themselves. Ouch!
>>18026700Literal gay wod that lived in his teacher's shadow his whole life and did nothing but turn out tyrants and dictators in the name of "philosophy". FAIL.
>>18027321Why do Jeets and Wops get the coon eyes almost without fail? They aren't particularly closely related, but they both walk around like they got punched in each eye a week ago.
>>18027595The name "Barbara" still means "She-Barbarian". Just ask Ms. Streisand ;>)
>>18027725Saltwater and being in the sun(sailing) will peel the paint off an aircraft carrier and absolutely bleach human hair. Lots of Polynesians will become "blonde"/auburn from being in the salt and seawater all day and the racoons down here in FL become full-on Nordic blonde from being out in the sun and on the snow white beach sand. What's more surprising is that these """Phoenicians""" were doing an honest day's work.
>>18026700>haha yes us unibrow goblin looking creatures from the land bridge between asia and africa have kinship with the heckin noble and beautiful greeks, take that WhiteyAristotle called you monkeys slaves who deserved to be crushed under the boot of your masters.The Greeks hated you.The Greeks shared more DNA with a modern Finn than they do with anyone living in MENA today LOL.If the Greeks were alive today they would be in awe at Northern European achievement and correctly recognize Northern Europeans as their kin sharing high levels of EEF.If they saw your brown monkey ass theyd consider you a type of subhuman quasi-simian probably make up a story about how an outcast had sex with a monkey tribe and spawned your degenerate frail race of oversized midgets.
>>18028951>>18028953>>18028966>>18028978>>18028989>-ACK!>Haplogroup E1b1b (formerly known as E3b) represents the last major direct migration from Africa into Europe. It is believed to have first appeared in the Horn of Africa approximately 26,000 years ago and dispersed to North Africa and the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods. E-M78 and E-Z827 originated respectively at 20,000 years and 24,000 years. E1b1b lineages are closely linked to the diffusion of Afroasiatic languages>Lazaridis et al. (2016) tested the first ancient DNA samples from the Mesolithic Natufian culture in Israel, possibly the world's oldest sedentary community, and found that the male individuals belonged either to haplogroups CT or E1b1 (including two E1b1b1b2 samples). These are to date the oldest known E1b1b individuals>Due to the scarcity of full genomic sequences available from the Balkans, it is not yet clear when E-V13 expanded in that region. The Indo-European migrations would certainly have brought some E-V13 early on, from circa 2500 BCE. But the history of the region is so complex that there might be many separate branches of E-V13 that each came with a different invasion (e.g. Iranic tribes, La Tène Celts, Romans, Goths, Slavs). The first Indo-European migration to Greece was that of the Mycenaeans from c. 1650 BCE. The Dorians from Central Europe followed from c. 1200 BCE. Both could have brought different subclades of E-V13, and a founder effect or the phenomenon of elite dominance among the ruling invaders might have caused a fast growth of E-V13 lineage in Late Bronze Age and Iron Age Greece>“Arius, king of the Spartans, sends greetings to Onias the high priest. A document has been found stating that the Spartans and the Jews are brothers and that they are of the family of Abraham." 1 Maccabees 12:20-21
>>18029108>Epher (also Ephera'im or Effrain, (Hebrew: עֵפֶר ʿĒp̄er)) was a grandson of Abraham, according to Gen. 25:4, whose descendants, Jewish historian Flavius Josephus claimed, had invaded Libya. Josephus also claimed that Epher's name was the etymological root of the continent Africa. According to the Bible, he was a son of Midian. According to Cleodemus Malchus, Epher's daughter married Hercules. From this union is Diodorus (Dorus) born, and from him the Dorians. Sparta, who was a Dorian city, is said to be founded by Heracles >Sufax, Syphax, Sufaqs or Sophax (Ancient Greek: Σόφακος Sophaxus) was a hero or demigod from the Berber and Greek mythologies>According to the myth, Sufax was the son of goddess Tinjis from her second marriage to demigod Heracles, and the grandson of Zeus and mortal Alcmene. His half-sister was likely Iphinoe, and his half-brother (and possible half-nephew) was Palaemon, son of Iphinoe and Heracles>Sufax replaced his mother's first husband Antaeus as a guard of the country of the Berbers (or Imazighen). He is said to be the founder of Tangier in memory to his mother>According to the Berber mythology, many of the Berber kings are descendants of Sufax, who defended their lands. He had a son, Diodorus, who reigned over many North African Berber tribes with the help of the Olympians. According to the ancient Greek historian Plutarch, many of the myths were created in order to give credits to the Numidian king Juba II who considered himself a descendant of Diodorus and Hercules>In Greek mythology, Dorus (Ancient Greek: Δῶρος, romanized: Dōros, probably derived from dōron "gift") was the eponymous founder of the Dorians
