How important should consent be for an action to be considered moral? For example most sane people agree the reason having sexual relationships with kids/animals is wrong is because those parties can't consent. But then with things like polyamory people suddenly act like consent between non coerced adults isn't enough. Then You have stuff like stopping someone from killing themselves or forcing people to pay taxes/ drafting them into an army against their consent. And there are schools of thought like Marxism were even if you consent to work for someone non-coerced you are still being exploited but then forcing animals to work for you isn't exploitation. I just want a clear explanation what is the role of consent in ethics and when can/can't it be overruled? Pic unrelated
>>18027081Comparing sexual consent to the ethics of marxist exploitation? Thanks for the laugh
Consent is giving somebody their basic human dignity to exercise control over their body. It's so obviously, self-evidently moral it shouldn't have to be argued.The real argument with pedo/zoophilia is whether kids and animals CAN consent, not that if consent is necessary. Obviously it is. But "consent" for the purposes of legally defining rape, has a legal definition which animals are categorically excluded from and children are excluded from by way of legal fiction.
>>18027081Purpose-based morality is better than consent-based morality. Consent-based morality is heavily based on 2nd-wave feminism, and has brought upon us no-fault divorces, casual sex, abortions, and increased homosexuality and transgenderism
>>18027095Thats not obvious at all, theres situations where it takes three other people to get one person to just not do something, the more 'serious' things get the less consent is a factor, consent sort of works when everione is sort of getting along and no one is manipulating the other or doing any number of other things, its a whole legal problem because it gets blury fast
>>18027081Recognizing consent is recognizing someone as a rational agent and their self-authorship.It makes sense for the Law to care a lot for this, since courts need to assign responsabilities to individuals.It happens that rationality/responsability/ability-to-consent isn't always treated like a straightforward binary.Some groups and ideologies reject, openly or covertly, individual human agency or it's importance and reduce consent, at most, to a proxy for something more important and then only under certain conditions.
>>18027095You say this is obvious but most people feel fine voting their way into your wallet when you used your body to gain that property. Wouldn't the idea of absolute bodily consent make that retroactive slavery/rape/violence too?
>>18027198For example, the goverment taxing you at threat of prison for your sex work makes them your pimp
>>18027081Why respect others feelings in the first place?>oh i am so horribleOk now that that is out of the way answer me thisWhy shouldn't i steal forom someone if i know i can get away with it?
>>18027880Because spooks wont like it.
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>>18027081There is nothing to get about sex, it is no more knowledge intensive than riding a bike. The notion of "informed consent" in the context of sex is completely idiotic. Falling off a bike and cracking your skull is worse than any STD, yet no politician is out here trying to outlaw bikes for young people. The "argument" of "informed consent" is just an authoritarians way of attacking a persons rights while wanting to appear benevolent. Sexual bonding is just like any other kind of bonding. If the child says yes to it, it's morally neutral. I think people who try their hardest to teach that sex is something evil to kids, who lobby for the undermining of the sexual autonomy of young people, are the true "child molesters". What do you think about that?
>>18028073I think you should be kept from getting within 200 meters of a school.
>>18027081See paternalism in legal ethics (lawyers doing what is in a client's best interest vs their expressed interest), or to protect someone by limiting their autonomy. Lots of interesting threads where consent fails as an utter gold standard for adults.
