The islamic golden age was despite islam and not thanks to it.
>>18027341Correct, just like everything good in the west was despite Christianity.>12th century Renaissance>real Renaissance>scientific revolution>EnlightenmentEven the "glory days" of Byzantium
>>18027344Both Christians and Muslims owe their entirety of their medieval progress to picrel since Jewish religions would've otherwise made them weaker than Native Americans
>>18027344It's not a coincidence then that the Renaissance revived so many Pagan aesthetics, especially amongst the aristocracy.
>>18027344No
>>18027351The Renaissance was kickstarted by Gemistos Plethon, who was arguably the first neopagan. It was he who reintroduced classical texts to Western Europe that otherwise would have been lost. It was his lectures on Plato that directly inspired most Renaissance-era thinkers. Without Gemistos Plethon, there never would have been a Renaissance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemistos_Plethon
>>18027646Platonic and other philosophical texts were preserved, copied, and studied by thousands of monks throughout the Middle Ages.You are literally lying and inventing a story that never happened.
>>18027341Well duh it occurred in the 150 year period when caliphal authority collapsed and heretics ruled most of the middle east
>>18027657Said monks hoarded that knowledge amongst themselves while condemning it as heresy though instead of using it to elevate society. That's the difference.
>>18027646>Gemistos Plethonbyzaboos have gotten arrogant
>>18027341The Islamic Golden Age can only be thanks to Islam. Without the Islamic conquests the Middle East would have continued to be the battleground for Persia and Rome.
>>18027344>>18027341Falling for jewish lies tastes so sweet to begin with, thats how they get ya! Its in the long term and in the parts of the timeline that dont occur that hide all the bitterness. Cant help but feel modern science has also fallen victim to this same trap.
Early on in the islamic empire only the rulers where muslims every one else was christian/jewish/sabians/zoroastrians. They didn't force conversions but their tax and welfare system incentivised the poorer people to convert .
>>18027344The Jay Dyer type of orthobros feel like the ah'ari or salafi form of christianity to me. Don't justify your beliefs through natural theology, just believe and hold the scripture and truth, don't care when the science contradicts the bible when this happens the science must be wrong not the bible and if an atheists points out your contradictions just use the TAG argument it is bullet proof and justifies a christian and orthodox christian God, don't ask me why it doesn't justify Deism.But they are only loudmouthed on the internet. They have no real life presence.
>>18027646Post more hot greek Goddesses and maybe egyptian Goddesses!
>>18027646Many tradcaths claim it's all the fault of Luther that modern society is collapsing. Some give the blame to the renaissance. The orthobros blame Luther, the renaissance and I think also Aquinas.
>>18027646>>18027657The Italian had two streams of influences and sources, both the Greek/Byzantine and so-called Islamic. It's not a singular thing.
>>18027646>Eastern Rome has fallen>Maybe it is the christian's and their sectarian infightings fault?
>>18027341>goldenyeah, i'd guess that "somebody" had looted alexandria and parceled it out to the up and comer to give them gravitas. then cut them off after falling out, schedule, who knows
