>People of the Yamnaya culture are believed to have had mostly brown eye colour, light to intermediate skin, and brown hair colour, with some variation.[61][62]>A study in 2015 found that Yamnaya had the highest ever calculated genetic selection for height of any of the ancient populations tested.[64][65]>Haplogroup R1b, specifically the Z2103 subclade of R1b-L23, is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup found among the Yamnaya specimens. This haplogroup is rare in Western Europe and mainly exists in Southeastern Europe today.[56] Additionally, a minority are found to belong to haplogroup J2 and I2.[15][57]
MAKE THESE FUCKING THREADS STOP. PLEASE MOOTWO, MOVE THEM TO A FUCKING SEPARATE BOARD OR /SCI/ FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
>>18028054It is common knowledge that it takes one (ONE) marriage with a brown person for a line of perfectly blue eyed and blonde Aryans to turn brown. Let that sink in for a minute, then talk again about how all the proto-IE groups were brown faggots. More likely their most prominent groups conquered the brown folks and then turned Brown themselves while preserving the superior Aryan culture?
>>18028076Stop being jealous. The yamnaya were not white. The Scandinavian farmers were white and had blonde hair and blue eyes despite having zero steppe ancestry. Whiteness comes from the maternal line.
>>18028093The Skandinavians literally came from modern day Iran, but no one is going to admit that except Gobineau fags like me.
>>18028098Scandi farmers are white because of hybridization of Neolithic anatolians and western Hunter gatherers. The later Aryan steppe scandis maintained whiteness because they bred with the women and bred for white traits.
>>18028106Modern tranny scientist who believes men with dicks are women tier nonsense babble. Skandinavia was swarthy until Celtic and Slavic settlements during antiquity. These early white aristocracies became swarthy after mingling with their Finnish slaves (the same process happened in pre-Germanic Europe, but to a larger extent). The harsh climate of Skandinavia and the British Islands never tolerated a large population of stone-age hunter-gatherers (aka non-whites), so the resulting half-civilized mutt populations were whiter than their mainland cousins, like the Gauls and the Bretons. Archeology confirms this racial degradation process: in Ireland, fortresses have been found, made of a particularly strong material designed to withstand battle rams. Nevertheless, the Romans found nothing but savages living deep inside the forests.Germanics didn't arrive in Skandinavia until around the 2nd Milennium BC.
>>18028054After that thread of yours where you were refuted and a failure with 7 replies, now you tried again? Your persistence is evidence of obsession.>People of the Yamnaya culture are believed to have had mostly brown eye colour, light to intermediate skin, and brown hair colour, with some variationis this your argument proving they were "non-white?"? Let me educate the malnourished rat again...the majority of white populations have brown hair and eyes and intermediate is found throughout Europe, since the Neolithic. half of modern Poland is predicted intermediate, the definition they use means any white person that can tan; which most studies fail to communicate so you think whites didn’t exist, and then, retards like, you start barking insatiablyPlease, Learn how HIrisPlex-S works... BTFO'd Yamnaya were European, who resembled European and which ancestors Lived in Europe since the Eneolithic
>>18028123Is it the guy who believes in magical Cuban religions who creates these threads?
>>18028054If they weren't white, then 1/3 or more of Europe isn't white either, you idiot
>>18028123Barely anybody in Western Europe is descended from yamnaya
SHUT THE FUCK UP.I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING HEAR ABOUT THIS PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC BULLSHIT.
>>18028123a graph to illustrate if writing is not enough>>18028128Maybe...>>18028135It doesn't really have much to do with what I'm talking about.
>>180281361000 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT EVERY DAY AND NO ONE BATS A FUCKING EYE. /his/ HAS TRULY GONE TO SHIT BECAUSE OF YOU FAGS.
>>18028135Early CWC were identical to yamnaya>>18028137Yes, "pale" tone people are very rare in Europe, almost restricted to the British Isles. The graph does not measure all populations, but a good part of Germany and France, especially, are "intermediate."
>>18028142SHUT THE FUCK UP. STOP POLLUTING THE BOARD WITH THIS SHIT.
>>18028142Only because CWC and Yamnaya sourced the same group of women from the steppe and I doubt they were similar since Yamnaya were swarthy while CWC were half white. CWC was R1a and Yamnaya was R1b unrelated to later Bell Beakers.
>>18028145THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS SHIT EVEN MEAN. THIS IS FUCKING PSEUDOSCIENCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.HOLY MOTHER OF GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD.
>>18028145The haplogroup issues are still unresolved. The fact is we still don't have a clear picture of the whole Proto-Indo-European ethnogenesis, but R1b-L51 was actually present in Yamnaya.
>>18028201>R1b-L51 was actually present in Yamnaya.Source
>>18028148what is it about the late copper age to early bronze age that makes you seethe?
>>18028210I'm not seething about just that, toilet seat licker. I'm seething about how utterly retarded archaeogenetics is as a "science" and how ON ANY GIVEN DAY IT OCCUPIES 1/3 OF THE BOARD.
>>18028145wrong, ignorant.>i doubtWe don't cara what you, me, my brother or anyone else "think", let's be let's be objective here. CWC R1a is late; its spread from the steppes occurred only after later (domestication of the horse). R1b U106 is very old and contemporary with Yamnaya (PNL001), genomic data from the earliest CW individuals to date, including STD003 (northwestern Bohemia, 3010–2889 cal BCE), VLI076 (central Bohemia, 3018–2901 cal BCE), OBR003 haplo R1b-L51, found in ancient corded ware, is also present at Afanasievo. it is clear that out of the Eneolithic variation of the steppe (of widely variable CHG-related affinity), the Corded Ware (CWC) goes up precisely to the Yamnaya.
>>18028201Correct, the ignorant should know that many of the Yamnaya tombs we have vary in social status. Patterson argues that some Yamnaya clans would have R1A, so there is J2B L283 in Yamnaya, although they are not the primary haplogroups. We are out of adolescence and reducing everything to ">Yamnaya=R1B>Corded Ware=R1A" is pure amateurism.
>>18028219>R1b U106 is very old and contemporary with Yamnaya (PNL001)Oldest U106 only dates to 2500 bc…
>>18028223Not a single R1a or R1b-L51 has been found in a yamnaya site between 4000 to 3000 bc.
Why are these the most active threads on this board?? WHY DO 50 OF THEM GET MADE EACH DAY?? HELP??
>>18028229Is Afansievo identical to Yamnaya or do you deny that? There is R1b-L51 in CWC and in Afansievo, I'm sorryYou couldn't refute this>>18028219
>>18028204>R1b-L51 was actually present in Yamnaya.>SourceHere you go:Lazaridis, I., Patterson, N., Anthony, D., Vyazov, L., Fournier, R., Ringbauer, H., ... & Reich, D. (2024). The genetic origin of the Indo-Europeans. Nature, 1-11.It's old news. This study included R1b-L51 samples and it was already known that R1b-L51 was found among Afanasievo.
>>18028143>>18028148>>18028136>>18028064>>18028212>>18028232Bump
>>18028054As other anons have pointed out last time, light to intermediate is a fitting description for the skin tone of most europeans. Fair skin is rare on the continent and mostly found on the British isles.
>>18028246>>18028235Sameflag
>>18028054that dude looks like me, based muh ancestors from da steppe>t. balkanigger
>>18028255Illiterate
>>18028142>>18028143It’s fascinating how few people know what white actually means. I doubt people not from northwestern or northeastern Europe have ever seen a white. Germanic people tan hard, though the resulting caramel skin is quite unique. It’s the conqueror and adventurer skin, probably what the Aryans had too, that’s why they are drawn to more exotic and hot places until this very day
>>18028235>>18028246Yes Afan is general Yamnaya since they have their paternals BUT east Kazakhstan is not the Yamnaya homeland and it’s more likely the Yamnaya heading EAST absorbed some the proto bell-beaker culture that was located to the north and east of them.
>>18028278I don't know where this fantasy comes from but Yamnaya's R1b-L51 has a widespread geographic distribution that doesn't point to a particular origin other than Proto-Indo-Europeans themselves.
>>18028289And what are the dates for the one in Romania and eastern Ukraine?
>>18028292Go look it up yourself. If you've got some weird theory to make of it, be my guest. I'll read it but it's probably going to be nonsense.I11838 - Krasnosamarskoe-4 site (Middle Volga steppe). R1b-L51, mtDNA U5a1a1. 2851-2498 calBCE.I12823 - Smeeni (Romania, just west of the Black Sea). R1b-L51, mtDNA K1b2b. 3300-2500 BCE (estimate from archaeological context).I6884 - Krestovyi kurgan (Rostov region, Aksay District, near Alitub village). R1b-L51, mtDNA T1a1. 2852-2500 calBCE.I12893 - Idzhil-2 (Republic of Kalmykia, Oktyabrsky District, Idzhil Village). R1b-L51, mtDNA H13a1a. 3300-2600 BCE (estimate from archaeological context).
>>18028310First one seems correct and isn’t yamnaya since it’s too late. The other three have large date differences so they’re probably towards 2500 bc. Not Yamnaya:
>>18028322Have you decided to disagree with the study's determination that these were Yamnaya burials? R1b-L51 in Afanasievo is also a coincidence?It might be time for a healthy dose of meds.The real reason the haplogroup diversity isn't so great most likely has to do with sampling bias. The war in Ukraine is extremely bad timing considering that it happened just when everyone wants to get their hands on steppe samples. We need more samples but that may not happen again for decades.But what you probably do not understand is that the majority of kurgans were destroyed a long time ago when Soviets were collectivizing farmland. This one historical event has most likely put a dark void in the data. Because the way in which burials would selected for destruction was not random, it also creates an artificial sampling bias .
>>18028054Most Meds have light to intermediate skin, but Yamnaya resembled a swarthy Nord because of their Dolichocephalic skulls and high EHG ancestrality. Although most of the great European figures were still EEF Brachycephalics, hue.>A study in 2015 found that Yamnaya had the highest ever calculated genetic selection for height of any of the ancient populations tested. A 2024 study argues that the different amounts of Yamnaya/Steppe-like ancestry in Northern and Southern Europeans is responsible for the difference in height. In addition, "based on osteological evidence, the Yamnaya people were tall and had dolichocephalic crania (the average male was 175.5 centimetres (69.1 in) in height), while the representatives of Catacomb culture were stockier and had more brachycephalic crania>According to the Nordicist school, European achievement is primarily due to the tall, blond, dolichocephalic race. The only problem with this theory, which achieved such popularity in the 19th and early 20th centuries, is that when the skulls of prominent Europeans and Germans were measured there was no evidence of an overrepresentation of dolichocephals among them: indeed, most of them were brachycephalic, many of them tending to the extreme hyperbrachycephalic form, as the following passage illustrates>One can imagine the shock an intelligent German reader suffered when he remembered that many of the great German heroes from Bismarck down to Hindenburg and Hitler were brachycephalics and even hyperbrachycephalics, and that the three greatest philosophers Germany has produced-Leibniz, Kant, and Schopenhauer-had round heads in the most extreme form (Fig. 2, No. 4, Leibniz, skull index 90.3[!]; NO. 5, Kant, skull index 88.5; No. 6, Schopenhauer, head index 90.0 [!)>>18028128It's called Palo Mayombe, you idiot. Congolese people also have Dolichocephalic skulls like Nords, even though his prognathism hides this.
>>18028335magical cubans lol
>>18028219>>18028224>>18028229>>18028235>>18028246R1boos keep forgetting that OG R1b Yamnaya got displaced and their women fucked by R1a Srubna, Sintashta and Andronovo (that had more EEF than them) on the steppes. And by R1b Bell Beakers in Panonia. Yamnaya were the R1b losers of history, just like their kin Afanasievo that got raped out of existence by R1a Andronovo and Tocharians. Pure Steppe are so powerful that they are fucked by their own R1a cousin and indo-european descendants populations with EEF "slave blood".
>>18028345> Yamnaya were the R1b losers of history, just like their kin Afanasievo that got raped out of existence by R1a Andronovo and Tochariansyes, but see, it's the browns that are obsessed with yamnaya, we've told you a trillion times that yamnaya are irrelevant
>>18028341Yes.>The United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) made numerous unsuccessful attempts to assassinate Cuban leader Fidel Castro. There were also attempts by Cuban exiles, sometimes in cooperation with the CIA. The 1975 Church Committee claimed eight proven CIA assassination attempts between 1960 and 1965. In 1976, President Gerald Ford issued Executive Order 11905 banning political assassinations. In 2006, Fabián Escalante, former chief of Cuba's intelligence, stated that there had been 634 assassination schemes or attempts>Migene González-Whippler, an author who has published several books about Santería, tells an interesting anecdote, told to her by a Cuban Santera now living in New York. The woman claims that, a long time ago in Cuba, she attended a Santería grand ritual in which Fidel was immersed in a bathtub full of blood from sacrificed animals. This ritual would protect him against harm and give him total control against his enemies. Another source claims that Castro was consecrated at an early age to Ayaguna, an African deity-one of the 16 types of manifestations of Obatalá—which had miraculously saved him from certain death at the age of six. The consecration was performed at the Birán estate by a servant at the Castro's home, a black woman from Congo and a santera of the Palo Mayombe cult. Castro's daughter Alina Fernández mentions that both Fidel's mother, Lina, and his grandmother, Dominga, were involved in Santería>By mid-1958 most of the Cuban people profoundly hated the Batista regime. By that time the santeros from Regla and Guanabacoa, two small seafaring towns Southeast of Havana, had joined their Santiago colleagues in their prophecy of Batista's downfall. They were fully convinced that Batista's days were counted after they got word that Fidel was wearing a resguardo prepared by his godmother Celia Sánchez, a powerful santera and a daughter of Yemaya
>>18028358>browns are superstitious retards exhibition #29331Why do I get the feeling all the other times credulous spics did santeria shit and still ended up having their heads chopped off by cartel rivals or riddled with bullets by soldiers don't make it into the records
>>18028358>When Batista abandoned the country in the early hours of January 1st, 1959, Cuban santeros interpreted the event as an auspicious sign: The revolution was won the day of San Manuel, a holy day of the Orishas. Fidel Castro, therefore, was an "elegido," a man chosen by the Gods>In January, 1959, Castro and his guerrillas arrived in Havana. Many of them were sporting Santería necklaces and bracelets, made out of colorful beads. Though largely ignored by the American media, the fact did not escape the attention of Santería believers throughout the Island. Santería necklaces are colorful and have a precise color symbolism. Red and black beads, for example, are the colors of Elegguá. All white beads are the ones of Obatalá; red and white are Changó's; blue and crystal beads are Yemayá's; and red and yellow beads are the colors of Ochún. The color of the beads may vary, depending on the aspect or "path" of the orisha>Colors have an important symbolism in Santería. To Santería adepts, the red-and-black colors of the Movimiento 26 de julio (26th of July Movement, M-26-7) banner had a special meaning: they are also the colors of Elegguá, the God of Destiny, the one who opens and closes the doors to happiness and disgrace. In many Cuban homes a glass full of water devoted to Elegguá is kept behind the main door as a talisman of good luck. When Fidel's barbudos entered Havana in triumph carrying the M-26-7 flags many interpreted it as a signal that Elegguá was protecting Fidel Castro
>>18028278It wasn't an argument or even a rebuttal.Ignorant and reductionist people like youhave resisted the idea of Corded Ware as descendants of Yamnaya due to the different Y chromosome gene pools. And that's it. Although the R1b-L51 explanation has already been dealt a major blow, it's still conveniently ignored or minimized. For example, you didn't even know about the existence of R1b in Corded Ware until we or the other guy mentioned it? It's not possible to transform a Yamnaya or primitive Corded Ware Y chromosome gene pool into the observed R-M417 gene pool without selection. The problem is this. Look at Don Yamnaya; they are directly descended from the Core Yamnaya (with extra hunter-gatherer admixture) and are also dominated by I2a Y chromosomes... does this conclude that there is no correlation between the two? the r1a argument is weak, I think if your knowledge comes from the STJ or pages?
>AAAHHH SAVE ME MAGICAL BLACK MAN AAAA-
>>18028363Kys, Atheist scum. Andronovo were also "suspicious" for having sex with horses.>Ashvamedha Yajna is a ritual performed by Queens (particularly by chief queen) for fertility and also to gain power in the kingdom. The Ashvamedha Yajna includes slaughtering the horse, then follows the queen’s intercourse with the horse, then the horse is cut into pieces and cooked. However some Hindus due to obscenity reject these facts and are reinterpreting the ritual based on their whim. They even deny the fact that Horse was slaughtered during the ritual, I request the readers to go through the article Meat Consumption in Hinduism>Their main objection is that this ritual does not include intercourse and is only meant to bring prosperity in the kingdom and they fail to furnish any reference which may suggest that this ritual is pure and decent and only meant to bring prosperity. However Purana and Sutra clearly mentions about this vulgar ritual, The Harivamsa Purana says,>Harivamsa Purana, Bhavishya Parva 3.5.11-13 ”After the passage of some time, king Janamejaya, who offers plenty of tributes (in sacrifices) observed the horse sacrifice as ordained. Devi Vapushtama, the daughter of the king of Kashi, went and slept with the slain horse, according to the ritual as prescribed. Seeing the queen with beautiful limbs, Vsava (Indra) desired her. Entering the body of the dead horse, Indra had intercourse withsc the queen.” Tr. A. Purushothaman and A. Harindranath. [ http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/bhavishyaparva/hv_3_005.html ]>Valmiki Ramayan, Bala Kanda 1, Sarga 14, Verses 33-35 ”With great delight coming on her Queen Kausalya reverently made circumambulations to the horse, and symbolically killed the horse with three knives. Queen Kausalya desiring the results of ritual disconcertedly resided one night with that horse that flew away like a bird
>>18028378It seems that the magical blacks fear the Trump government lol they can't make their worshippers successful enough to migrate to Florida :(>>18028123>>18028137OP btfo wow
>>18028399>Krishna Yajur Veda 7.4.19 In the heavenly world be you two completely covered. [Queen says]- I will urge on the impregnator, you will urge on the impregnator; let the two of us stretch out our four legs. [Adhvaryu says]- LET THE STALLION, SEMEN-PRODUCER, PRODUCE SEMEN [insert semen]. BRING THE PENIS INTO THE TWO THIGHS, drive along the erect and unctuous one which is women’s living enjoyment, which is their hole-runner [cleaner], women’s dear secret (pleasure) which has hit the sardigrdi (clitoris?) in their black (haired) mark… This little bird which creeps around saying ‘ahalam’ knocks the penis into the slit; the vulva devours it>Yajur Veda 23.19-21 All wife of the host reciting three mantras go round the horse. While praying, they say: ‘O horse, you are, protector of the community on the basis of good qualities, you are, protector or treasure of happiness. O horse, you become my husband’. After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, I extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception. The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me. Then the host, while praying to the horse says: “O horse, please throw semen on the upper part of the anus of my wife. Expand your penis and insert it in the vagina because after insertion, this penis makes women happy and lively
>>18028399Why can't Cuba just santeria itself out of being a shithole? Do the gringxs in Langley just have more powerful magical black men o algo?
>>18028412>This verse from Yajurved could have been rejected or interpreted in some other way if it wasn’t mentioned in the Brahmanas. The Brahmana and Srauta Sutras attests above obscene verses,>Baudhayana Srauta Sutra chapter 15 verse 29 “The Adhvaryu escorts the senior queen fully decorated, making amends, being reproached (and addresses the three queens) “O Ambā, O Ambāli O Ambikā” (The senior queen says) “No person leads me. The poor horse is sleeping.” Having lain down by the side of the horse towards the north, she draws a piece of cloth over her head. The Adhvaryu covers both of them with the piece of linen with the formula, “O fair one, clad in a fair garment, do you two be covered together in the heaven.” THE SENIOR QUEEN LAYS THE HORSE PENIS ON HER LAP WITH THE FORUMLA, “I have clasped the impregnatory; do thou clasp me for impregnation. Let us together spread out our four legs.” The Adhvaryu follows her with the formulas, “LET THE IMPREGNATOR OUT YOU DEPOSIT THE SEED. O HORSE, DO THOU PRESS THY REGION OF MALE ORGAN UPON THE HIGHS (OF THE QUEEN) AND INSERT INTO THE QUEEN'S GENITALS THE PENIS WHICH IS THE MEANS OF ENJOYMENT OF WOMEN, WHICH DASHES INTO THEIR WOMB, AND WHICH, WHEN ENTERED INTO THE GENITALS PLEASES THEM, and which attacks the central part of genitals within the black spot.” The senior queen censures the horse.” Tr. Dr. Chintaman Ganesh KashikarLMAO
>"Okay, compadres, here's how we topple the Bolivian government: First, get me six black cows, ten black chickens, eight black goats..."
Pequenino, I don't care what some bronze age central asians got up to, and I'm struggling to see the relevance of horsefucking rituals to cubans failing to magical black worship their way out of living in a shithole short of it being evidence of the original these that browns tend to be superstitious retards.
>>18028419>”…Since the horse is dead, the chief queen herself takes the penis [Shishan] of the dead horse and places it into her Vagina [Yoni]. She asks the horse to release semen in her [by saying] ‘May the vigorous male [horse], layer of semen, release semen in me’…” Commentary by Mahidhara on Yajur Veda 23.20>Unlike those two rebuttals, the classical scholar Mahidhara did not give his personal interpretation. He interpreted these Ashvamedha verses in accordance with Yajur Veda and Brahmana. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar also wrote,>“Another instance of obscenity which disfigured the religion of the Ancient Aryans is connected with the Ashvamedha Yajna or the horse sacrifice. A necessary part of the Ashvamedha was the introduction of the Sepas (penis) of the Medha (dead horse) into the Yoni (vagina) of the chief wife of the Yajamana (the sacrificer) accompanied by the recital of long series of Mantras by the Brahmin priests. A Mantra in the Vajasaneya Samhita (xxiii. 18) shows that there used to be a competition among the queens as to who was to receive this high honour of being served by the horse. Those who want to know more about it will find it in the commentary of Mahidhara on the Yejur-Veda where he gives full description of the details of this obscene rite which had formed a part of the Aryan religion.” Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, Riddle no 23, p.295, Vol 4, Riddles in Hinduism>https://www.mea.gov.in/Images/attach/amb/Volume_04.pdf
>>18028399>Andronovo were also "superstitious" for having sex with horsesFix'd. Even though that's "sus" too.
YO, GEORGE FLOYD, MAGIC ME UP A CUBAN GF BRO
>>18028378>>18028403>>18028414>>18028422>>18028428>>18028449But you still haven't told me a Palo Mayombe ritual where he has sex with horses like your heckin Aryans.https://files.catbox.moe/vfhdmb.webmhttps://www.myinstants.com/pt/instant/audio-do-carlinhos-69865/
>>18028478I'm mocking you for believing in magical blacks, with my first post in the thread being >18028341. Now, again, please explain why Cuba can't just santeria itself out of being a shithole fleshpot for obese gringos out to get some brown sugar
>>18028490>I'm mocking you for believing in magical blacksThen mock Christians too, larpagan.>The Black Madonna>The most Christian churches across the West, the Virgin Mary is portrayed with light skin, much like her son Jesus Christ. But an estimated 400 to 500 versions of the Madonna portray her with dark skin — and, surprisingly, many of these “Black Madonnas” are found across Europe>These depictions often include both a dark-skinned Virgin Mary and a dark-skinned baby Jesus, and they can be found in various churches, museums, and shrines. Most of these artworks seem to date back to the medieval era, but their exact origin stories are often shrouded in mystery>While some think medieval artists used materials that naturally darkened over time — or simply repurposed old pagan artworks — others believe the Black Madonna's skin tone was completely intentional
>>18028520>An oil painting of the Black Madonna in the church Iglesia de San Martín in Trujillo, Provinz Cáceres, Extremadura, Spain
>>18028076A brown eyed guy with AG genotype in herc2 gene has 50% chance of blue eyed kid with blue-eyed woman. For a guy with AA genotype it would take two generations with blue eyed women for blue-eyed grandchildren. If most your women have blue eyes, it's not difficult to bleach offsprings.
>>18028526>The Jasna Góra Monastery in Częstochowa, Poland, which features a depiction of the Black Madonna
68 FUCKING REPLIES?? ALREADY??
>>18028520The larpagan insult doesn't really hit when you literally believe in magical blacks lol
>>18028531>The Black Madonna at the Bernardine Church in Poland
>>18028538>The Black Madonna of Częstochowa, Poland>>18028536Christians too.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Africans_venerated_in_the_Catholic_Churchhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle
>>18028520>>18028429>>18028419>>18028412>>18028399>>18028367>>18028358>>18028335according to new study black men have small penisespost this to scare away the brazilian mulatto spammerhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11923605/
>>18028544>A Black Madonna mosaic at the Sanctuary of Castelmonte in Italy
>>18028551>The Black Madonna of Liège, Belgium on display during a parade
>>18028544Good thing I'm not catholic, magical black worshiper
>>18028557>A Black Madonna painting at the side altar at the Holy Cross Church in Brzeg, Poland
>>18028565>The Black Madonna of Toulouse, France
>>18028570>Close-up of the Black Madonna of Chartres
>>18028532What can I say, brazilians really love their magical black men.One would ask why the magical black worship hasn't helped this anon progress any higher in his life than being a /his/ mod but that's a question for another time
>The 17th-century Virgin of Montserrat by Alonso Cano.>Some think that the dark skin may have been a conscious choice, in light of Biblical passages like Song of Songs 1:5:>Dark am I, yet lovely,>daughters of Jerusalem,>dark like the tents of Kedar,>like the tent curtains of Solomon
>>18028583I wonder what race the Israelites were.>As of 2024, only one study has directly examined ancient Israelite genetic material. The analysis examined First Temple-era skeletal remains excavated in Abu Ghosh, and showed one male individual belonging to the J2 Y-DNA haplogroup, a set of closely related DNA sequences thought to have originated in the Caucasus or Eastern Anatolia, as well as the T1a and H87 mitochondrial DNA haplogroups, the former of which has also been detected among Canaanites, and the latter in Basques, Tunisian Arabs, and Iraqis, suggesting a Mediterranean, Near Eastern, or perhaps Arabian origin>A 2004 study (by Shen et al.) comparing Samaritans to several Jewish populations (including Ashkenazi Jews, Iraqi Jews, Libyan Jews, Moroccan Jews, and Yemenite Jews) found that "the principal components analysis suggested a common ancestry of Samaritan and Jewish patrilineages. Most of the former may be traced back to a common ancestor in what is today identified as the paternally inherited Israelite high priesthood (Cohanim), with a common ancestor projected to the time of the Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Israel.">A 2020 study (by Agranat-Tamr et al.) stated that there was genetic continuity between the Bronze Age and Iron Age southern Levantines, which included the Israelites and Judahites. They could be "modeled as a mixture of local earlier Neolithic populations and populations from the northeastern part of the Near East (e.g. Zagros Mountains, Caucasians/Armenians and possibly, Hurrians)". Reasons for the continuity include resilience from the Bronze Age collapse, which was mostly true for inland cities such as Tel Megiddo and Tel Abel Beth Maacah. Elsewhere, European-related and East African-related components were added to the population, from a north-south and south-north gradient respectively. Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans and Somalis were used as representatives
>>18028565Protestant? Your founder also like Ethiopian Orthodox theology. >Abba Mikaʾel (Ge'ez: ሚካኤል), also known as Michael the Deacon, was an Ethiopian deacon, best known for holding theological discussions with Martin Luther in 1534>Stanislau Paulau suggested that Mikaʾel, who was able to speak broken Italian, may be a member of the Ethiopian community based in Santo Stefano degli Abissini in Rome>A 1534 letter from Philip Melanchthon to Wittenberg lawyer Benedict Pauli describes the meetings between Mikaʾel and Luther. Mikaʾel arrived at Wittenberg on May 31, 1534 and wished to speak to Luther, whom he had heard about. Mikaʾel could speak some Italian, so a student from the University of Wittenberg who spoke Italian served as an interpreter between the two. Mikaʾel stayed until July 4, and had several further meetings with Luther throughout his stay. They held theological discussions on the doctrine of Trinity and the understanding of the Last Supper. They also compared the Lutheran Mass to that used by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and found that they were in agreement with one another>Melanchthon wrote of the meetings: "For although the Oriental Church observes some deviant customs, [Abba Mikaʾel] judges that this difference neither annuls the unity of the Church nor contends with the faith, because Christ's kingdom is spiritual righteousness of heart, fear of God, and trust through Christ." In 1537, Luther mentioned the meeting in his table talks. Speaking of the monk from "Mohrenland", Luther recalled that "[Mikaʾel] summed up all our articles [of faith] by saying, 'This is a good credo, that is faith.'" After the meeting, Luther extended fellowship to Mikaʾel and the Ethiopian Church
>>18028632No, not protestant. Try again, magical black worshiper
>>18028273This feature has interested me over the years. It is understated.
>>18028645I prefer to worship dead Congolese when LARPing Baltic/Scandinavian horsefuckers, hue.
>>18028679And what have the magical black men done for you lately?
Mods?
>>18028749He's busy sacrificing a chicken to a congolese jungle spirit, can I take a message?
>>18028749See how he desperately tried to prove that "Christianity is Black" even though no one has claimed anything about Christianity here, but we have confirmation that he really worships magical Negroes. But my question: why can't the magical Negroes make their worshippers in Haiti migrate to Florida? Are Trump and the immigration laws more powerful than the entire Yoruba pantheon? The leftist laws have done more for Cubans than magical Negroes, haha.
>>18028759this is really out of control, if there is a moderator here, I think he should take a look.... the thread was about yamnaya and it turned into some Cuban and Congolese magic? and Hinduism?>>18028783It surprises me that there are still people who believe in this primitive nonsense
>>18028093nope. There is ZERO blondism without EHG admixture. Steppe was approximately 65-90% EHG and the first blonde haired blue eyed man ever was an EHG living on the steppe.Steppe people are the largest portion of modern Northern European ancestry.White people always win.Sorry
>>18028783>TrumpEpstein's accomplice who had statues of African deities in his mansion in Zorro Ranch, New Mexico, hue.
>>18028831Why haven't the magical blacks helped Cuba out of poverty
>>18028783probably. even if all flying black magicians descend their maximum powers, nothing was more effective than a good leftist lol
>>18028796Its been established that the brazilian spamming about magical blacks is either a mod or close friends with one of the mods.
>>18028858Plausible
So the problem with saying yamnaya were white or not white is that they were recent affrivals from the caucuses. So they moved north from the moutain ranges and mixed with the Eastern hunter gatherers living in the steppe. They lived there for thousands of years before migrating everywhere and we call that the indo european migrations. But were they "white"? Remember the OG europeans were the hunter gatherers that crossed from the middle east into europe. When did they become europeans. Before native americans went to the americas, they lived in Northern Asia. When did they become native americans and evolved enough to not be counted as asians? That's the issue we have with the yamnaya.
>>18028334This doesn’t prove anything. As I said the dates are off by a few centuries. As you know the movement of yamanya, corded ware and bell beakers as well as later groups were consecutive within the span of one or two centuries, they are not the same people.
>>18029088What exactly do you think you've proven? I believe the data we currently have does not tell us nearly enough about haplogroup origins in PIEs and it does not allow much certainty. The fact that many kurgans were destroyed is actually a real issue that should shake your confidence in the absolute absence of certain haplogroups. It would if you were honest and unbiased.That said, the data STILL points in a certain direction, but more supporting evidence is needed.Afanasievo broke off from the steppe early while having R1b-L51.R1b-L51 was found among Yamnaya according to Lazaridis, et al.Your default assumption should be that R1b-L51 was among Proto-Indo-Europeans early based on that.Do you actually have any reason for that not being your default expectation? I personally doubt it because if you're the same poster here >>18028204 then it looks like you are still recoiling from the shock after learning something you didn't previously know. However, if you actually have anything interesting to contribute that doesn't involve bargaining with the dates, I will listen because I want to learn something new and the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware haplogroups could come from outer space for all I care.
>>18028813what about the tarim mummies? I thought they were blonde because of their ANE heritage?
>>18028054>Yamnaya supposedly weren't white>EEF supposedly weren't white>WHG supposedly weren't white>somehow these three groups mixed together and the result was white peopleGonna have to call bullshit on this one
>>18028813Melanesians?>>18029648Random mutations.Pigmentation is encoded by a much smaller number of genes than for example intelligence, facial features or height. Pigmentation is a superficial trait whose biological mechanism is disproportionate to its social impact.
>>18028054I think a /hap/logroup containment board would be greatgive them flags as well so I can laugh at the south americans
>>18028093>>18028106scandinavian farmers were 100% paternally euro HGblondeness comes from european hunter gatherer males ultimately
>>18030764>even hirisplex admits they are blonde and blue eyed>mutts believe they are brown
>>18029648EEF, Globular Amphora Culture were the whitest people that ever lived on earth somehow. Thats what people say lately
>>18030899but GAC facial features look funny
>>18029166>destroyed KurgansHere comes this same old cope. All yamnaya core sites have zero L51. ZERO. Small percentage of L51 in afansevio comes from yamnaya absorbing them from their homeland somewhere between southern Ukraine to Mongolia. Any L51 found later not even in south Ukraine itself as shown by your samples proves nothing. The direction means nothing since all the samples date after yamnaya and are indicative of the L51 migrating into old yamnaya core territory from their homeland, western Russia.
>>18029948Scan farmers were scan hunters + farmers. Scan hunters were EHG + WHG. They were all mostly blonde hair and blue eyes. This is the opposite of yamnaya.
>>18031063If this anon wasn't necessary to educate you, allow me to end this. Let's try to explain it another way (although your ignorance is so high that you didn't even know about the existence of R1b-L51 in Afansievo). The haplogroup issue has already been explained, but you refuse to understand. Two other genetic pieces of evidence support the idea of an emergence of Corded Ware from a Yamnaya+Globular Amphora admixture. First, the IBD evidence (I assume you understand what this means??)>Notably, we reveal long IBD sharing between Corded Ware and Yamnaya groups, indicating that the Yamnaya herders of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe and the Steppe-related ancestry in various European Corded Ware groups share substantial co-ancestry within only a few hundred years.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-023-01582-wDo you realize that the mixing date of 3000-2900 BC for Corded Pottery, post-Yamnaya expansion and shortly before the archaeological appearance of Corded Pottery?? "T how the R-M417descendants came to dominate in the Yamnaya+Globular Amphora mixed group that became the Corded Ware culture is a topic that genetics cannot resolve with certainty, unless we find remains of the nascent Corded Ware culture during this process, but see how J2b L283 become dominatAfanasievo was directly derived from Yamnaya, and had R1b-L51>>18028219Its over
>>18031063>Here comes this same old cope.Pointing out basic facts is not "cope". Knowing this should be essential to understanding the archaeological context of steppe samples. You do not come out sounding like a reasonable scientific-minded person if you reject the fact that lots of data were destroyed. You sound desperate to dismiss something everyone studying the topic should know.>Small percentage of L51 in afansevio comes from yamnaya absorbing them from their homeland somewhere between southern Ukraine to Mongolia.Here is your hypothesis again and it sounds intriguing, but for some reason you are lacking self-awareness in how you've presented the idea. This is called "ad hoc" because you've given this as an impromptu excuse without supporting evidence to avoid a straightforward interpretation of the data.>indicative of the L51 migrating into old yamnaya core territory from their homeland, western Russia.Your idea does actually sound interesting to me though. I am only asking that you explain your reasoning (if you have any). Are you saying the L51 homeland is western Russia? Do you have any reason to believe this to be true? Also, forget Yamnaya for a second. If L51 is a later addition to Yamnaya, is there actually any reason to believe L51 were not Proto-Indo-Europeans before mingling with Yamnaya? Probably not. Yamnaya = PIE exclusively is quite the rigid assumption.>all the samples date after yamnayaIf Yamnaya were 3300–2600 BC, and we have the following dates• 2851-2498 calBC• 3300-2500 BC• 2852-2500 BC• 3300-2600 BCYou certainly don't know these are post-Yamnaya. It seems much too difficult to be confident in a precise dating given these ranges, and 3300 as the upper end seems artificial based merely on the idea that Yamnaya began at 3300.If you actually do know something that supports your ideas, I am interested. I will listen. I am just not impressed with an ad hoc hypothesis.
>>18031199>>18031203Sorry none of this is convincing evidence that Yamnaya were not exclusively z2103, some J2b, some I2 and even some Q (which makes sense since Q men domesticated the horse in the altai, migrated west and the yamnaya domesticated the western horse with that knowledge!).L51 in afansievo is not yamnaya. Sorry no good evidence. The Yamnaya invaded some L51 tribe in between Ukraine and Mongolia and brought the along. Later L51 in Ukraine do not corroborate with core yamnaya age of 4000-3000 bc. The yamnaya were the first steppe herders to penetrate Europe from the steppe and that happened around 3300-3000 bc at the same time as bubonic plague destroyed the farmers which facilitated easy conquest and replacement. The Yamnaya and CWC share autosomals because they come from the same women folk.
>>18031344>avoiding the issues and doubling downSorry, that was your last chance. Your hypothesis remains ad hoc because you offered nothing in support of it. You've only wasted our time.
>>18028054They are proto-white by definition as white people have the most of their dna as high as 56% (Jamtland, Western Russia, Belarus)
>>18028374STJ reported on the R1b in Corded ware in august 2021. Long before most others knew about ithttps://www.youtube.com/live/mxNGk8Z4W3Y?feature=shared
>>18028064>>18028136Now you know how people feel when you spam your christcuck shit.
>>18029648>Yamnaya bring blonde hair>EEF bring white skin>WHG bring blue eyes>they mix and the fair traits get selected for and magnified in sun-deprived europePretty simple really
>>18028054>they were not whiteObviously they were white. Your brown skin comes from ssa and abbo race mixing.
>>18028054White people emerged during bronze age.
>>18032379fake chart made by a blogger, never repost it again
>>18032379picenes were 30% blue eyed, this is fake as fuckalso no shg, no whg, no bhg, no karelia hg, no pitted ware, no gac, no funnelbeakers no indo aryans
>>18032379hg survivors in the late neolithic were white as fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJP-gW59E8g>inbefore youtubeyou used an amateur chart from a blog, it's fair for me to also use amateur stuff
>>18032157stj is a good historian
>>18032392>>180323971.The chart focuses on post HG populations, HGs mixed with eefs, neolithic euros had 70-98% EEF ancestry which is why blue eyes weren't frequent.2.Funnelbeakers are children of LBK anyway.
>>18032597>1.The chart focuses on post HG populations, HGs mixed with eefs, neolithic euros had 70-98% EEF ancestry which is why blue eyes weren't frequent.the chart is fake trash from a blog with fake results like the picenes being 4% blue eyed when they were 30% blue eyed
>>18032615How is he so dumb? You just explained to him why the chart is trash but he keeps yapping.
>>18028054DAS RIGHT YAMANAYA WAS BROWN BULLS PUTTIN WHITEY IN THEY PLACE. THEY JUST AS BROWN AND RETARDED AS ME MMHM
>>18032157>STJNot reading
