>Ummmm, acksually, having skin on your dick is bad>God doesn’t like your dick skin>Yes, god is the one that put skin on your dickSorry, but I just can’t believe in a god that cares this much about the skin on my dick.>Umm, actually, the New Testament says he doesn’t care about dick skin anymoreOkay, but why did he ever care?Nothing screams “This was clearly written by some dude” more than being obsessed with some other dude’s dick skin.
In African and Polynesian cultures circumcision is done by the men themselves when they come of age, rather than at birth. Circumcision is more practical than scalping for war trophies because it's undeniable proof that you have killed an adult male rather than a woman or child.
>>18029041The serious response is that the Old Testament ordinances, unlike the New Testament sacraments, were signs of what was to come but did not confer salvific graces like those in the New Testament.Circumcision signified two things:(1) If you break the covenant God will "cut" you off from his promises.(2) The people of Israel were to be "holy" (set apart) from the other nations, and therefore needed to be "cut off" from the sinful practices of their neighbors.New Testament sacraments, such as baptism signify interior washing and resurrection AND confer salvation.Nevertheless the apologetic above is just a stupid fucking pretentious eisegesis from church fathers who tried to dress up the outright barbaric practices of an equally savage time. You could achieve the same permanent reminder by cutting a piece of your earlobe or something like a normal fucking person and not your dick skin
>>18029060>You could achieve the same permanent reminder by cutting a piece of your earlobe Some people have attached earlobes
>>18029060>did not confer salvific graces like those in the New Testament.This is a broad statement that doesn’t address the reality that god supposedly commanded man to physically remove a part of their penis that god himself designed. You can argue it is “symbolic” all you want, but there is a real, physical consequence to this symbolism that you can’t handwave away.>(1)This could be achieved plenty of ways without physically removing part of your cock. In fact, there’s plenty of non-functional parts of the body that would be better to symbolically sever. I mean, fuck, the Yakuza remove a finger, and that’s unironically better than anything on or near your cock.>(2)Once again, it does not need to be the penis specifically, and this statement almost implies that the penis is inherently sinful, which is ridiculous. Jews already had funny rules about when and how to cut their hair. Does that not also achieve the same stupid symbolism with no real biological detriment?>confer salvation.Cool. Not really relevant to the discussion.>NeverthelessAgreed, his reasoning is stupid in multiple ways.All of your responses seem very practical and human, which does not feel applicable to an omniscient god who fully understands the physical and biological purpose to what he’s commanding.The whole thing seems simpler from a man author perspective.>The penis is very important to human males>Doing anything involving the penis is of great significance to human males>So the Hebrews chose the penis because men see it as importantGenital mutilation is not new nor unique in human history. Nearly every culture has practiced it. It’s simple. Humans value their genitals, so other humans attack what they hold dear.But this explanation doesn’t seem to fit an all-knowing god who has no reason to physically alter his own creation. Especially since this was mandated for the humans that he cherished more.
>>18029041Christians don't have to circumcise. It's not even recommended and should not be encouraged. It harms the human psyche, that's why circumcized men are 'different' regardless of religious affiliation. That being said, the muslim circumcision is allegedly less harmful than the jewish counterpart, with the added benefit of not infecting the infant with herpes. pic semi related
>>18029073>attached earlobe freakthey get the tip of the ear cut off then
>>18029041Ancient Middle Eastern covenants often used physical tokens and scarifications as proof of loyalty to a king or deity. Israel’s God chose a sign that could not be paraded, yet could not be erased, which suited a people called to modesty and permanence rather than spectacle. The sign also cooperated with the social fabric of Israel. Through the male head of household, the entire home, including women and servants, came under the covenant’s obligations and blessings. Exodus 12 shows this clearly. The household sign grants table-fellowship at the Lord’s feast.As a boundary, circumcision distinguished Israel from surrounding peoples and helped preserve monotheistic identity in a polytheistic world. The Sabbath functions similarly as a “sign” between God and Israel. “It is a sign between me and you throughout your generations” (Ex. 31:13). These signs are not arbitrary. They are identity-forming disciplines that keep Israel’s story and God’s rule visible and memorable in daily life. Faithfulness to Israel’s God had a bodily cost.Why choose the foreskin at all? The answer sits at the crossing of biblical themes.First, procreation and promise. God’s oath to Abraham is about seed. Circumcision touches the organ of generation as a reminder that Israel’s future is not self-made. It is gift. Every child born under the sign is a living witness that God builds the house. The sign fits the substance.Second, consecration and holiness. Israel’s sexuality, like Israel’s time and diet, belongs to God. The sign makes that claim concrete. It is discreet rather than performative, permanent rather than seasonal, and intimate rather than merely external. The very private nature of the sign opposed any temptation to turn it into a badge of pride. It was not for display. It was for obedience.
>>18029060No, "marking of the flesh" is done in all Cults and Gangs so that once initiated, it's impossible to leave and re-integrate with civilization. Same as tattoos, scarification, etc......The fact that it's done to an infant, is just plain sick.
>>18029140Muslim circumcision isn't even as mandatory as it is in Judaism. Islam is like an old school arcade game where you're trying to rack up as many points as you can. Circumcision gives you a headstart with a massive amount of reward points. It's not sinful to be uncircumcised in Islam, it's just missing out on giga rewards by not getting the snip. In Judaism, you literally cannot be considered a Jew until circumcision, there's no way around it. You gotta snip snip or fuck off.
>>18029041Infant circumcision causes brain damage which makes the victims into more useful cultists.
>>18029240>In Judaism, you literally cannot be considered a Jew until circumcision, there's no way around it.here's away around it: hemophilia. reb Moses ben Maimonides ruled that a boy is exempt from circumcision if two of his brothers bled to death after it.
>>18029041In Egyptian culture, circumcision was used both as a slave brand to distinguish slaves from free people, and as way to permanently solidify their their inferior social status through a shameful and unhealable mutilation.
>>18029041Because it is heaven.
>>18029311all egyptian men were circumcised.
>>18029041>Why Does God Care So Much About Penis Skin?oh, yeah? says who?
>>18029240Very telling that the one and only true requirement for being a Jew(tm) is to have your genitals mutilated as an infant and for your parents to allow such a thing in the first place. Everything else is "negotiable", but not this. Yhwh gets his foreskin, or you can't be in the cool kid club. This begs the question as to what happens to the womenfolk somehow pass on decent without being clipped themselves. Clearly, real jews were patrilineal while the "Modern", matrilineal variant is something else entirely. If it's one it can't be the other, and if it's both, then it's neither. So what's it gonna be? Let me guess, "It's complicated". LOL! I win again!
>>18029361were you there checking? do you wish you were?
>>18029240>Islam is like an old school arcade game where you're trying to rack up as many points as you can.kek great summary
>>18029041He was kind of an asshole until he came to earth as a man when he realized his cultural laws are kinda shit and the people following it retarded so he retconned it.
The foreskin becomes a symbol of the sinful self.
>>18031609then it should grow as they age, like their noses. ZING!
I do find it hilarious how some ancient middle eastern religious mutilation practice became commonplace in certain parts of the secular and/or christian west because some 19th century health guru wanted to stop boys from jerking off
Circumcision predates all abrahamic religion in the Middle East. It’s existed in almost all the Afro asiatic speaking peoples since the beginning of recorded history. What’s even crazier is it’s actually their main defining cultural trait-there’s almost nothing else to compare them by.
>>18034224>existed in almost all the Afro asiatic No. Neither Phoenicians, nor Arameans, nor Assyrians, nor Babylonians, nor Amorites nor Libyans practiced it, only half African mixed race groups like Cushites, Chadians, Egyptians and Ethiopians, or people influenced by them such as Arabs and Jews who practiced it.
>>18034309Phoenicians and Aramaeans 100% did it. Babylonians and Berbers are probably the only Afro asiatic groups that didn’t circumcise.
>>18034224Makes sense why all the desert monkeys do it. Sand in foreskin must be awfully annoying to deal with.
>>18034332>PhoeniciansThey didn't: Ezekiel 28:1 & 10>And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Son of man, tell the ruler of Tyre that this is what the Lord GOD says: ...>You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners. Ezekiel 32:30 >“All the princes of the north and all the Sidonians are there; they went down with the slain in disgrace despite the terror caused by their power. They lie uncircumcised with those killed by the sword and bear their shame with those who go down to the pit.>Aramaeans 100% did it.They are still uncircurcimcised to this day. Sames goes for Assyrrians and Babylonians (Mandeans). >Berbers They are circumcised as are all other nigger-blooded population such as Arabs, Ethiopians and so on. Basically only those corrupted with monkey blood practice dick mutilation.
