>Could've had all the oil of Arabia and Mesopotamia>Could've prevented all the nonstop shitflinging in the Middle East>All they had to do was hold on for a few more years and not lose the landGood job guys.
>implying they going to lose that land the second oil was found there
>>18031177*they weren't
>>18031177I trust alternate universe Ataturk to put up a good fight at that point
>>18031376Ataturk didn't want a bunch of arabs in his Turkish country. Not to mention how he's just one man.
>>18031376Heâs overrated in our own timeline. The West let him have Turkey out of pure indifference, they pretty much put up no fight at all against him. If youâre an Armenian, Greek or Kurd I donât know how you donât despise the West just as much as the Turks
>>18031413In an idealistic timeline, Kemalism wouldnât have won out and the Ottomans wouldâve survived with their Arab territories. Ottomanism wasnât impossible, Abdulhamid II actually succeeded to a decent degree in convincing Muslim peasants across the empire to respect him as the caliph. Had the Ottomans not surrendered to the Allies with such indignity, Ataturk wouldâve continued to serve the empire. At no point before that did Ataturk ever desire an independent nationalist republic, he was deeply blackpilled by the sultan submitting to Sevres.
>>18031452Most mena Christians hate the west deeply. Look how much Armenia supports Palestime for instance.
>>18031467You're onto something.There was an episode in 1914 when the British ordered their Pashto auxiliaries to attack the Ottomans in Iraq, and the latter refused because it was sacrilege for them to fight against the caliph. Of course the (((Wahhabi))) camel fuckers from Najd did not care about religion all that much so they became a more than willing catspaw
>>18031477I think most Armenians have a vested interest in supporting Palestinians because Armenians arenât treated very well by Israel in places like Jerusalem, also groups like Hamas are very reminiscent of Armenian revolutionary parties that were attacking the Ottomans (although in their case they fucked up bad by collaborating with foreign countries and trying to invite intervention). Greeks also have an unusually negative opinion on Israelis
>>18031490People tend to ignore that the âArab Revoltâ was instigated by foreign Westerners using a handful of Arab clans and tribes meanwhile more Arabs actually fought for the Ottomans (although Cemal Pasha pissed off quite a few Arabs). It wouldnât have been impossible for the Ottomans to nip Arab nationalism in the bud, lord knows they canât fucking fight anyways so itâs not like they could revolt later on if the Ottomans kept the land
>>18031494>Greeks also have an unusually negative opinion on IsraelisMmmmm, Armenians yes, Greeks im not so sure about that, while its just their government, Greece is quickly becoming one of Israel's most important allies (because of Turkey obviously) and ive seen a few Greeks defend Israel
>>18031506At the very least the Ottomans would have prevented the absolute wahhabi massacre on historical buildings and monuments and the formation of israeltfw you realize the Ottoman empire was the good guy in WWI
>>18031494I think Greeks disagree greatly with their government on that. For one there's the problem of Israelis buying up vacation homes in Cyprus and Greece while being awfully rude tourists, and there's the fact that Greece has Europe's largest communist party, and finally there's their high level of "antisemitism" according to most pollsters which show that even the rightwing Orthodox Greeks dislike Israel. There's also a ton of other cases of mena Christians hating the west, like all the original panarab movements being founded by Christians, the west suppprting the salafists in the gulf which then support islamic terror groups, and many of their religious leaders which have outright condemned zionism in its entirety. Not to mention how historically Christians in the region have been tied to the hip with Shia seeing as they're both minorities abused by the large sunni world surrounding them. Like Armenia's #1 ally currently is Iran, I mean cmon.
>>18031529Ottomans still sucked dude, they committed genocids against Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, and many other Christians in the region. Ideally they wouldn't have gotten involved in the first place which could've possibly prevented the Young Turks from getting into power and enacting their genocidal policies against the Christians of the empire, but at that point who knows what would've happened.
>>18031538We are speaking hypothetically here. Obviously in our reality the Ottomans devolved into full blown despotic terror after the Young Turk revolution and ensured the empire collapsed right down to the last possible moments where it couldâve been saved had the government not sided with Sevres. But itâs interesting to think about how the empire couldâve survived at least with its post-1913 borders if it played its cards right and didnât make literally the worst possible decisions it couldâve made. Like them or not, it wouldâve saved our world from a lot of headaches if the Middle East didnât get butchered by retards like Sykes, Picot, Lloyd George, etc
>>18031147>no israel>no iranian shia axisThe good ending
>>18031147VGHâŠ
>>18031598>no masr?
>>18031538the (young turks) were very sus
>>18031517They clearly are just confused by both flags having blue stripes on a white field.
>>18031530Am always astounded how much the West castigated the Ottomans for their treatment of ethnic minorities to the point of constantly using it as justification to carve up the empire but then let the Turks completely get away with annihilating the natives of Anatolia. One of the great blackpills of history right there. Just a month ago Armenia was forced to capitulate to Azerbaijan by Trump, and not a peep from Christians (theyâre busy making AI videos of Netanyahu hugging Charlie Kirk)
>>18031598>>18031606Eventually Egypt would join after the decolonization period probably with the rest of the nafri states Sudan and Somalia, same with azerbaijan after the fall of the soviets, without the Zangezur Corridor I can see even Central Asia joining across the caspian, ottoman caliph would have to reform it into a constitutional monarchy though
>>18031639Thereâs no scenario where the ethnicities of the empire wouldnât develop a national consciousness and want to secede. America is basically the only successful country in this regard. An empire of mutts who nonetheless all want to be American. Ottomans didnât have the unifying culture or language to pull this off so Ataturk just Turkified everyone after his predecessors got rid of the Christians
>>18031639https://youtu.be/mugRenBeRw0?si=LLOhlWISVPQtaE9D
>>18031680Canada Australia NZ Singapore South Africa
>>18031606>>18031639Eegopt too big in terms of bobulation to integrate into already fragile ottoman empire even if war is avoided
>>18031538Why did you say good things as bad things?
>>18031753Ottomans committed massive rape against Yemeni Arab Muslim girls in both their 16th-18th century invasions and their 19th-20th century invasions.
>>1803190916th-17th centuries
>>18031753>>18031909>>18031914https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15320676/#q15320784>>15320676 >>15320784>>15320778>>15320781Ottoman Turkish soldiers mass raped Yemeni girls in Sanaa, Yemen in the 1547 campaign to sack the city.Houthi Islamic Scholar Ibrahim Al-Ubeidi mentioned Ottoman Turkish atrocities against Yemeni Arabs in the late 19th century and early 20th century including raping Yemeni virgin girls, forcing them to dance and serve them naked, skinning Yemeni men alive and impaling their anuses.https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1506253532168699907https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1506253591010545664The Circassian Mamluks committed genocide and rape against Arabs in Yemen
>>18031919Ottoman Turkish soldiers mass raped Arab Muslim girls in Sanaa, Yemen in the 1547 campaign to sack the city.Houthi Islamic Scholar Ibrahim Al-Ubeidi mentioned Ottoman Turkish atrocities against Yemeni Arabs in the late 19th century and early 20th century including raping Yemeni virgin girls, forcing them to dance and serve them naked, skinning Yemeni men alive and impaling their anuses.https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1506253532168699907https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1506253591010545664If this is what they did as far south in the Arabian peninsula, just imagine what they did to Iraqi Arabs for hundreds of years.
>>18031921Circassian Mamluks (Burji) mass raped Yemeni Arab Sunni Muslim girls and boys in Zabid after defeating the Tahirids.
>>18031924This misleadingly refers to the Mamluk Circassians as Egyptians but correctly notes that raped both Yemeni Arab girls and boys in Sunni Zabid.The Kurdish Amir Husain al-Kurdi led the Mamluk force on behalf of the Circassians.The Zaydi Yemenis and Sulaymani Ismaili Yemenis helped the Mamluks rape their own Sunni Yemeni brethren.Later the Ottomans committed rape against both Sunni Yemenis and Zaydi Yemenis.
>>18031919>>18031921>>18031926North Yemenis are often called Ottoman ightisab Ű„ŰșŰȘ۔ۧۚ (rape) babies.Here a South Yemeni Hadrami calls North Yemenis as an Ottoman rapebaby.https://twitter.com/din_djarin_01/status/1753163300647448780https://archive.is/iFWBU> An ottoman ightisab baby that lacks critical thinking skills calls me a dumb bantu> still fails to figure the message out>Wew what a day to be alive.https://twitter.com/user1809040/status/1753180710620283290https://archive.is/H0xWU>How did u know that he's an ottomanightisab baby?That's such a common insult to us northerners. On what basis do you assume such thing and do you understand the gravity of the insult. You can simply say something racist back instead of attacking someone and their ancestors' honor
>>18031928The Rasulids who ruled Yemen before the Tahirids were Turks with a fake Arab genealogy.Turks kept ruling and raping Arabs.
>>18031932The Rasulids who ruled Yemen before the Tahirids were Turks with a fake Arab genealogy.Turks kept ruling and raping Arabs.
>>18031934
Arabs don't care that they were cocksocks. It's very peculiar but funny.For example, Kurds in recent years have reached out to Assyrians in solidarity. But Arabs, despite having been victims of Kurdish attacks, like gloat that Assyrians were conquered by Kurd chiefs because they see the persecution committed by these chiefs as extensions of their own will. Basically, so long as the abuser is a Muslim, it doesn't matter to them. It's completely halal to do what they did to Yemeni Arabs.
>>18031494Hamas is pro-Turkey and congragulated Azerbaijan after it took Nagorno-Karabakh. They aren't friends with Armenians.Hamas also congratulated Indonesia despite Indonesia buying Israeli weapons and having an under the table alliance with Israel, Indonesian military special forces (Kopassus) was supposed to receive IDF training.Indonesia even rejected a Hamas office in Jakarta after Jews ordered Indonesia to, and Hamas keeps sucking them off.Hamas are Islamists, Ismail Haniyeh called Bin Laden a martyr and warrior.
>>18031964Indonesia relies on Israeli and American Jewish support against West Papua. Israel sells weapons to Indonesia and American Jewish politicians like Brad Sherman back Indonesia.Jewish billionaires like Carl Icahn, Blackrock and formerly Henry Kissinger run the Freeport McMoran which runs Grasberg mine in West Papua, taking all the gold.Hamas supports Azerbaijan in Nagorno Karabakh despite Azerbaijan selling oil to Israel in exchange for Israeli weapons.Indonesian president Prabowo who hates West Papuans gave a pro-Israel speech at the UN, saying Israel's security is important and said Shalom.Hamas supports Indonesia, Turkey and Azerbaijan because they are Islamists.Hamas had never supported non-Muslims facing oppression.Just because Israel is bad doesn't mean Hamas are good. Many Hamas members are evil and morally corrupt.
>>18031969Abdullah Azzam (international Salafi jihadist) and the founder of Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir were both Palestinian Sunnis. Both hated Christians.Palestinians are just like any other Levantine.The have retarded Islamists like Syrian Sunnis and Lebanese Sunnis.Israel being the main enemy of all Palestinians of all religion is what temporarily stops Palestinian Islamists from attacking Palestinian Christians.If Israel didn't exist as the main enemy, those Palestinian Islamists would form groups like Lebanese Sunnis in Tripoli to attack Christians.
>>18031477ASALA allied with secular socialist Palestinian Christian led groups.They were not allied with Hamas. Hamas would never support ASALA.Hamas has bank accounts in Turkey.
>>18031974In early 19th century Palestine, before Zionism, a mob of Palestinian Muslims raped and assaulted Palestinian Christians.https://books.google.ca/books?id=6NRYEr8FR1IC&pg=PA9Then the Jews started Zionism and made enemies of both Palestinian Christians and Muslims, so Palestinian Christians had to memoryhole all past sectarian violence between them and Muslims.
>>18031986Lebanese Shia also supported Israel in the Lebanese civil war, welcoming them with throwing rice since they wanted the PLO gone, before the Jews started acting like Jews, Israeli tanks started running over Lebanese Shia without paying blood money and other shit that made them angry.Israeli collaborationist SLA (South Lebanon army) rank and file soldiers were mostly Shia, while the officers were Maronites.Jews acting like stereotypical Jews are the biggest reason why people focus on them.
>>18031452The Greek army openly made tactical blunders and overstretched their supply lines instead of hunkering down in Smyrna.
>>18031974This. People here and in the west are too dumb to realise that
>>18031452Thats why I find the current infestation of moslems in Europe partially funny. For centuries smug Europeans loved their oriental so much and now they even brought them home! And they just cant get enough of them, isnt that lovely?
>>18031625What? Every time turkey is brought up no matter the context someome goes >wut about armenian genocide?????And the conflict between armenia and azerbaijan was started in the 90s by armenia when they displaced a shit ton of azeris and founded a satellite state. They are not victims
>>18032285Its always a sign someone is a clueless amerigolem christkike when he whines about muh armenoid and greekshit genocide, because everyone who is actually knowledgeable about the subject knows that their removal couldn't have been more justified and necessary. Just another examples of a retard trusting the anglokikes and getting fucked. The Assyrian massacre is another matter, but honestly that one probably didn't even happen and even if it did they would've been obedient golems of globohomo so they got what was coming to them.Whats even funnier is that it was the kurdoids who the west is supporting that did most of the killings and the areas they are in today were mostly armenian. Just goes to show that other using this like everything else for their own benefit the west doesn't really give a shit.
>>18032309I have general sympathy for assyrians they truly didnt deserve what happened to them. I also feel bad for greek and armenian citizens but to pretend armenia and greece werent actively working towards the destruction of turkey is false history. If you listened to some propaganda channels youd think one day the ottoman leadership woke up and decided to genocide all christians because fuck them thats why
>>18032309This is why everybody hates you.And Amerigolems are your clueless allies if anything. >>18032315Turkey didnt exist back then so how were they going to destroy it
>>18032315They did, just look at the maronites, druze or some other minority that exists solely to be a 5th column for israel and the west. Even back then im pretty sure they didn't just wake up one day and decide to wipe out groups they had tolerated for centuries.>>18032316Not an argument. Kys christkike
>>18032316Im obviously refering to the ottoman empires end. The greeks and armenians in particular were eager to get as much land as possible through destroying ever bit of ottoman presence. The cucked ottomans even agreed to this shitty treaty and ataturk said fuck that and created turkey out of it. The greeks and armenians lost and a fucking CENTURY later we still have to hear about how the barbar demon turks had the audacity to kill greek/armenian soliders. Mind you, im sympathetic towards the civilians who died, they didnt deserve it at all. But then you see greeks making monuments for their heroic soldiers who died in the failed "liberation" of western anatolia. Rest in piss
>>18031680Arabs have never cared for nationalism like that, they rebelelled against the ottomans for turning away against islam and creating their own Turkish nationalism. Later on arab nationalism became the flag of anticolonial movements against the British, French and Italians. The dream of a United Arab Republic failed evidently because arab is truly just a linguistics identity that carries some cultural weight just like all languages do but not enough to constitute a homogeneous nation. Empires on the other hand can encompass as many people's you please as the state does not embody any particularity besides a court language. The crown is enough to tie all the people's just as it did for countries like the United Kingdom, the Kingdom of France, who's minority peoples were the most adamant royalists.
>>18031147Why do you think the Entente were trying to dismember it? Turkey joined WWI partially out of desperation to avoid being invaded and chopped up. Are you aware that the Entente had literally JUST BROKEN their former treaties with Turkey in 1911-1913? They were obliged to respect Turkish territory and they didnât. Instead they gave some of it to Italy and then started demanding the rest of it be chopped up.Turkey was damned if it did and damned if it didnt
>>18031598This, I fucking HATE the OP borders they make me physically sick. Just make them fucking straight and clear holy shit ffs.
>>18032521The ottoman sultan refused to sell palestine to the jews who offered to pay off the empires entire debt. He doomed his empire becsuse muh ummah. The arabs or rather hashemites turned out to be filthy backstabbers
>>18032550Nobody in Turkey would ever blame the balkan nations for getting freedom. No one is mad about it. Good for them. What Turks (some, most dont give a fuck) are mad about is their muslim compatriots betraying them for british promises. They allied with the british and 100 years later the ones that werent lucky to discover oil got absolutely fucked for it. And now turkey still sends them humanitarian aid because muh ummah. I empathize with gazans today akd wish the genocide would stop but honestly fuck the state of palestine they deserve only the dirt they live on. Not the people though
>>18031467>At no point before that did Ataturk ever desire an independent nationalist republic, he was deeply blackpilled by the sultan submitting to Sevres.Fatih Rifki Atay's memoirs dispute this. This is a translation from pic related:>Even then, in 1907, he did not hesitate to tell his friends the following idea: A state cannot be built on the decaying, lifeless body of the Ottoman Empire. A state can only be founded on the land where the Turkish majority lives. Rather than having the great powers carry out a liquidation, the revolutionary administration must do it itself... In European Turkey we were surrounded by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which sought to extend down into Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Montenegro and Thessaloniki. Serb, Greek and Bulgarian minorities lived on our lands. They would all want to tear off pieces and join them to the territories they considered their motherlands. The only people loyal to a single state were the Turks... The idea of separation had also been instilled in the Arabs. The partitioning of the Empire had long since been decided. Only we Turks would be crushed; we would remain beneath the ruins of the Empire. The Christians would separate, and the Turks and Arabs would become the colonies of different states... It was necessary to establish national borders. On the European side, Western and Eastern Thrace should remain with us. The northern borders of the Edirne province should be extended; Albania should be independent; Austria-Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece should be invited to a conference in Istanbul. The issue should be resolved according to the principle of nationality: the islands close to the Anatolian shores should be ours; a population exchange should be carried out between the parts of European Turkey that remained with foreigners and the parts that remained with us; and in southern Anatolia, Hatay, Aleppo and Mosul should remain with us while the rest should be left to the Arabs.
>>18032550>>18032570The Arab revolt is overrated, it was not popular and the only reason it succeeded was because Turkey didnât care enough about those territories to commit any resources to squash the rebellion.
>>18032309Amerigolems are not on the side of Armenoids or Greeks. They are allies with Turkiye. That country isn't really Christian. Charlie Kirk and all the other christcuck larping mutts are on turkiyes side because turkiye is close partner to the US
>>18032285Yes people dislike Turks because of the late Ottomans genocides but they were not actually punished for it the way many Germans were for example. Keep in mind just how much the West was breathing down the necks of the Ottomans for decades over how they treated minorities. Then when the big massacres actually happened they just turned their eyes away because getting oil from Baku was more important than standing with their fellow Christians in Anatolia who they constantly made promises to for many decades.
>>18032550Lol come on. You think if Ottomans just let Zionists create Israel earlier it wouldnât have caused any issues? In no scenario does Zionism ever create peace in the region, the whole ideology is ludicrous and inherently violent
>>18032590This sounds like the typical Kemalist mythology invented after the fact to make Ataturk look like a prophetic visionary. I guess he had the foresight to predict the almost exact borders of the eventual independent Turkish Republic before WW1 and the population exchange ever even happened? Yeah no.
>>18032666>Lost the Balkans very rapidly and allowed the West to break all their treaty terms>Left Anatolia as an unpopulated nomadic backwater for centuries>Didn't put enough resources into squashing Arab tribal revolts despite knowing important oil reserves did exist in places like Mosul and shouldn't be lostWhat the fuck were the Late Ottomans even doing AT ALL, seriously?
>>18032534True, like I know that the borders are depicted that way because Arab tribes controlled those central desert areas, but they couldâve at least depicted Jabal Shammar on the map under Ottoman influence. It was essentially a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire so they couldâve depicted it how British protectorates were. For example, this map Iâve attached
>>18032309amerimutt christkikes are full sapport for turkiye azerbaijan and the kurds specifically so the missionaries they send to the areas full of old eastern christcucks have an easier time converting locals. of course, christcucks are christcucks so they don't kill these missionaries the way indians and pakistanis rightfully do (John Chau had it coming).why are roaches so paranoid? amerimutts don't know what a sevres even is. they cant even point their own cities out on a map. they are your allies and you host their military bases on your land in incirlik. you're in NATO ffs
>>18033191Incoherent Indian Muslim nigger
>>18032885>>18033191Turkey is the only country in NATO that isnât subservient to America and has its own agenda that has many times been in conflict with the US agenda. If WW3 starts Turkey will leave NATO and let european client states die in Russia.
>>18033222But anon... serving Israel is Americas agenda too
>>18033210still ruminating about what happened to the STAINES family now are you? what a surname. it's almost like he waas born to be killed lmao>>18033222NATO doesn't even set an agenda. russia has been controlled opposition for the last 30 years and mutts don't care about anything they do. the country that has amerimutts afraid is China
>>18033244Israel fears Turkey more than anything, they have never violated turkish airspace because they know whats gonna happen
>>18033257>NATO doesn't even set an agenda.Their agenda is the US agenda, nato is just there to enforce it
>>18033222Turkiye helped destabilize Syria and replace the administration there. They also helped US forces during the invasion of Iraq.As much as I want it to not be true (I love Turkiye) the proof is kind of in the pudding. You and the mutts are allies.
>>18033270Your army is Russia tier stop coping.
>>18033286>Turkiye helped destabilize Syria and replace the administration there.The ''administration'' in question were iranian drug dealers and thugs. Syria now is more stable and with a bright future ahead, which is why the kikes are trying their best to create instability and chaos. >They also helped US forces during the invasion of Iraq.Turkey did not send troops to invade Iraq in 2003. Only military actions Turkey did in Iraq was against kurdish terrorists.
>>18033307Pajeet tier drivel
>>18033311Seething
>>18033316Good morning Saar!
>Turkey was offered approximately $8.5 billion in loans in exchange for sending 10,000 peacekeeping troops in 2003. Even though the United States did say the loans and the sending of troops to Iraq were not directly linked, it also said the loans are contingent upon "cooperation" on Iraq.[127] The Turkish government swiftly rejected all offers of financial aid, and on March 1, 2003, the Turkish Grand National Assembly rejected sending military forces to help participate in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
>>18033307I agree it is better with Sunni administration and it might result in weakening amerimutt influence in the area since Sunnis don't do nuance. But let's be real, there was nothing "in it" for Turkiye.Getting rid of kurdjeets is good and reading the Hood event was pretty funny to read about. Still, your country provided airspace to them and allowed military installations to prop up around there. Not cool.
>>18033325>But let's be real, there was nothing "in it" for Turkiye.Syria was going to remain a jungle as long as Assad was around. He only cared about stealing whatever he could and selling whatever was left of the country to anyone who could keep him in power for even a bit longer. Truly a shameless communist degenerate.And most importantly kurdjeets were allowed to roam free and take over half the country including syria's oil, but soon enough it'll be solved now that hes gone. As for Iraq turkish involvement wasn't really significant in any capacity besides some offensives done against kurds like in syria.
>>18033307>>18033325Syria before the (((arab spring))) was actually a functioning country which had a proper military and economy, and Jewlani letting Israel fuck him in the ass weekly isn't a show of strength. Your country literally destroyed Syria by letting retarded jihadists from turkistan through your borders, Turkey is a western vassal that likes the talk as if it isn't.
>>18033346He is taking it like a champ though!Those western investments are coming through any day now!
>>18033346>Saaar jewlani i said it again haha jewlani get itDude, the downfall of assad literally came because that cowardly little whore allowed the kurds to occupy syria's oil fields which were its main source of income, simply because he was too scared of going against america and by default israel and tried to replace its revenue through transforming syria into his own drug lab
why are turkish nationalists literally jeet levels of retarded and up their own asses
>>18033356>begs to normalize with israel>was just in washington shaking hands witg zelensky>no mention of reclaiming the golan heights>only man enough to slaughter civilian druze/christians/alawites and threaten hezbollah>not israel, the ones attacking them though, that's actually bad for le ummahIran is the only country in that entire region worth a damn, they're retarded goatfuckers just like you, but at least they actually fight kikes instead of helping them at every turn while pretending to be against them.
>>18033374>begs to normalize with israeldidnât happen>was just in washington shaking hands witg zelenskydonât care, tzd>no mention of reclaiming the golan heightsgolan was sold to israel by assadâs daddy>only man enough to slaughter civilian druze/christians/alawites and threaten hezbollahslaughtering useful idiot traitor scum funded by israel is le bad now>not israel, the ones attacking them though, that's actually bad for le ummahWhen did assad ever attack israel
>>18033389>duhh holding talks asking for normalization isn't actually normalizingturks are genuinely retarded, it's actually amazing to seeAlso you wanna know why the Golan heights were "sold" by Hafez? Because he actually fought with Israel unlike you gigabrained sunni jihadists who always talk about destroying the zionist entity but only ever target their enemies like Iran and the panarab socialists. Also the druze, alawites, and christians have done 10x more in combating Israel than sunnis ever have in its entire existence. The only sunnis that have ever fought Israel have been the Palestinians themselves and the Egyptians under a socialist government.
>>18033403You're a retarded timmycel loser in mommy's basement that believes msm propaganda about Iran being heckin bad antisemitic chuds when every single time they have been partners of america in carving up the muslim lands with their jewish buddiesReminder, every single US soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan was killed by AQ/IS and Taliban, not rafida donkeys. While the allies of iran welcomed American soldiers into their homes and fought their enemies(the muslims) for them.
The crazy thing is that this deluded turkjeet is one of the more informed ones, because he speaks English.Imagine the absolute delusions Anatolian hillbilly niggers who get all their information from ErdoTV believe.
>>18033415Kek, alright sunnigger, your people are all feckless and pathetic. You and all other muslims are mere dogs of the west, used to destabilize functioning countries with your chimpouts over the pedophile you worship. Like I said, Iran actually commits to being against the kikes unlike every one of you sunnis, so they are slightly better with their logical consistency which causes them to be routinely attacked and constantly sanctioned by the west. All the while your country is literally in NATO lmfao, Turkey has the same story as Japan in that regard, they were buckbroken by the west after getting too cocky and were thus turned into vassal states since they were slightly more intelligent than the shitskins they previously ruled over. Cope about it Ahmed.
>>18031147Someone on this board once called the Ottomans the world's greatest tard wranglers and it's true and sad how much the world lost out on them not controlling that strip of land and keeping the stupidest of the kara bogas in check
>>18033346I have no dog in the sunni v. shia debacle in that area but the shia faction twerked it up for Russia (big mistake. they are an oversized golem) and paid the price. The way I see it, the sooner MENA returns to Sunni homogenity, the easier itll be to thwart off US presence in the area.Also, you were way too lenient with kurdjeets. Way too lenient.
>>18033436Who did the amerikikes fight in Iraq and Afghanistan? Name me a single rafida, or any equally useless minority you mentioned which put up even the slightest resistance to the occupation. Their axis was literally allowed to spread like cancer with the help of the US because they used them as cannon fodder to fight against the Muslims you dumb fuck, and now that they outlived their usefulness they are being discarded. A tale as old as time. And now israel is doing the same with the druze and other minorities in coordination with iran.
>>18033450>The way I see it, the sooner MENA returns to Sunni homogenity, the easier itll be to thwart off US presence in the area.trvke
>>18033452America literally funded the Taliban to get rid of socialists you dipshit lmfao, every time you sunniggers get into power it's due to the west bankrolling you (either directly or through their proxies in the gulf) and then chimping out which causes the west to have to tard wrangle you back in line. Christians spread panarab socialism which fought with Israel and the west until its demise at your hands, druze and alawites used to support the Syrian government until you headchoppers got in there as well. Saying Iran is secretly allies with the US and Israel while they're constantly attacking each other is one of the most hilarious sunni copes I've seen, and I keep seeing it all the time too kek. Hezbollah fought Israel, Houthis routinely launch rockets and drones at Israel, and Iran is the only country in nearly half a century to actually give Israel a headache. All while you and the gulf play nice with the west and all you can do is talk at the UN while Israel bombs Hamas opperatives in your capitals XD. Also keep giving Israel all the oil it needs through your best friends the Azeris, it'll definitely show those Jews!
>>18033470giving them anti air missiles and mentioning them in Rocky movies isn't full sapport or funding, saaar. they are currently playing with all the other cool toys and gadgets you left them though.good news is they banned bachi bazi (something the US administration refused to do) and stopped sending you junkies your opium. now mutts can only get high off of bioweapon designer drugs like fentanyl>Also keep giving Israel all the oil it needs through your best friends the Azeris, it'll definitely show those Jews!azeris aren't sunnis you dumb mutt retard
>>18033486Bacha Bazi is alive and well in Afghanistan and I am sure you turkjeets are already drooling at the thought of bringing back your koceks too.
>>18033470>America literally funded the Taliban to get rid of socialistsThis is actually a common misconception because the Taliban didn't exist during the war. The taliban was formed after the war with the soviets had ended and opposed the same faggots the west funded. Then they got into a civil war and the US backed the other side and after that the invasion happened. >Christians spread panarab socialism which fought with IsraelFailed ideology with no cohesion, hafez sided with iran against iraq. Nasser lost so bad he had to resign and his successor sold out to israel which is why egypt is ruled by a mossad agent to this day. So the greatest accomplishment of christkikes is that they spread communism kek, nice self own>Hezbollah fought Israel, Houthis routinely launch rockets and drones at Israel, and Iran is the only country in nearly half a century to actually give Israel a headache. False, but i already debunked this
>>18033486Didn't say the Azeris were sunnis, I said they were your friends retarded Turk. Also I know you have brain damage, but America extensively funding the Mujahideen (which later turned into the Taliban) in order to spite the Soviet aligned Afghanistani government is pretty common knowledge for those not infested with TĂŒrkishiyie propaganda (btw the Taliban hasn't even banned child fucking, it still happens but now it's Halal as per the prophets wisdom). Also I'm not a westerner kek.
>>18033495>>18033500no it isn't alive. even US department of state admits that it needs bachi bazi to sway afghani quislings to support the traitor government. taliban explicitly bans degenerate shit like that as well as opium production. the entire security forces of afghanistan were pedarasts. commanders abused their own troops and defected to talibanis at the slightest hint of the US clamping down on it. read any book on it and mutt soldiers talk about it. goes to show what kind of people are willing to associate with the US kek
>>18033502Yes it is, and why wouldnt a moslem state have pederasty? Also what relationship does the US vassal in Anatolia have with the Taliban?
>>18033502>goes to show what kind of people are willing to associate with the US kekThis is actually why their colonial projects will always fail. Only a traitor scumbag will ever side with a country as morally bankrupt as the United States of Israel. And the thing with people like that is that they have no morals or convictions and will flee and the first sight of trouble which is what has happened pretty much everywhere.
>>18033515The gulf states don't seem to be budging, how come that colonial project isn't failing?
>>18033519tbf all those sunni brats are teasing the US with China and Russia. They need correction.
>>18033519They aren't even real countries but oversized labor camps for pajeet slaves.
>>18033511read what your own country says>https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/afghanistan/repeatedly saying "So I Heard That Aye Rabbus Do Bachi Bazi?" like a retarded teenager is par on course for a mentally stunted faggot but it's a far cry from the harsh reality that your only friends are pedos.im not even a muslim, arab, or from that part of the world btw. but im not gonna let a retard like you turn this place into an echo chamber for overgrown manchildren stuck on their crusader larp era
>>18033527>During the reporting period, Afghan ministries and other public sector institutions did not take meaningful steps to eliminate trafficking. In addition, there was a pattern of employing or recruiting child soldiers and a pattern of sexual slavery by the Taliban (bacha bazi â a practice in which men exploit boys for social and sexual entertainment). >Most Afghan trafficking victims are children forced to work in carpet making, brick kilns, domestic servitude, sex trafficking (including bacha bazi), domestic work, herding livestock, agriculture, workshops, construction, mining, begging, low-skilled labor, poppy cultivation and harvesting, salt mining, petty crime, drug smuggling, weapons trafficking, truck driving, and in the transportation and hotel sectors.
>>18033523They have the most and largest US bases out of anywhere in the world, they couldn't budge an inch if they wanted to lmfao.
>>18033534the "afghan ministries" in question is the afghan traitor government. the US does not acknowledge taliban as a government even now.
>>18031147>All they had to do was hold on for a few more years and not lose the landThey would still lose it. Have you forgotten that the Ottomans were extremely weak and were dealing with revolts all over? Ataturk was skilled enough to hold on to Turkey itself but the Levant, Iraq and western Arabia would not be possible. WW1 era empires fell for a reason, the spread of nationalism heavily impacted all of them. Even today Turkey is dealing with an ever increasing Kurdisj population that is waging an insurgency.
>>18033547>The United States has not yet made a decision whether to recognize the Taliban or any other entity as the government of Afghanistan. >All references to âthe pre-August 15, 2021, governmentâ >refer to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. >âthe pre-August 15, 2021, governmentâ >References to the Taliban in this report do not denote or imply that the United States recognizes the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan.Nice self own, illiterate brownoid.
>>18033556given that Taliban actually banned the practice, i have no reason to assume poor faith in the Taliban. i have a lot of reasons to assume that the department of state is projecting the worst aspects of the afghan traitor gov onto the talibankeep hoping that the pedos actually care to fight for your cause when you send in your third wave of spics to die. that's assuming anyone even signs up
>>18033563>i have a lot of reasons to cope
>>18033569>i'm angry that these heckin arabs wonyeah i would be too if i got cancer standing under the sun too long
>>18031376He only reached his full potential when he over threw the ottoman state. Otherwise he gets bogged down by incompetence from the top, hence why he couldn't stop Italy from taking libya despite doing a good job.
>>18033571>Afghanistan >ArabsIts Iranians and Turkics. The latter, despite being 9% of the population, commit 50% of bacha bazi rapes. There are no Arapes in Afghanistan.
>>18033415braindamaged sunnoid outcast in stockholm sweden lel
>>18033597>t. mindbroken timmy
>>18033584so which is it here timmy boy. are all muslims not arabs? or are afghans secretly aryans with blue eyes and blonde hair that historically hated arabs?i 100% know you were the faggot that made the implication that, because osmanli dynasty raped a bunch of pale bitches, that they were secret aryans. so i gotta see if you're consistent about this cope.go to an afghan ghetto and talk shit about arabs. you're getting knocked out
>>18033626incoherent drivel
>>18031452>they pretty much put up no fight at all against him.No shit, why would they have to invade Anatolia and get raped by 10m guerilla for zero gain? They set up the perfect situation for Greece, supplied it with weapons, and when Greece got kicked out they just said fuck it and recognized Turkey. That was the natural thing for them to do, none of them would have anything to gain from conquering Turkey even if it was something easy to do.
>>18033647Except that tiny detail that Ataturk was massacring millions of people.
>>18031494>Greeks also have an unusually negative opinion on IsraelisJust by this alone, I can tell you get the majority of your understanding of other countries' political stances from the internet.Greeks and Greece bottoms for Israel. Hard. There are sentiments among the Greek right that Armenians and other Levantine Christians are problematic because they harbor poor views of Israel.
>>18033650Never happened, and even if it did who would have given a shit? Millions are being massacred right now and all that's occurring is epic shitposts on le interwebs. Hell, just a decade before that millions were killed/displaced from the Balkans and none of that even made it to the newspapers.
>>18033535The GCC are straight up not even real countries. They are just your typical imperial vassal states with little to no sovereignty who pay tribute to their overlords.
>>18033657>shit I made up 101Turkjeets are some of the most annoying people on the internet istg
>>18033626>go to an afghan ghettowhere, in your home town of malmo? will I find you there, seething about ISIS being gay zionists while coping with a lifetime of social ostracism?
>>18033658Yeah well now Turkey is a hostile state that blackmails the EU with SĂŒrgĂŒn rapefugees, doesnt cooperate with law enforcement and millions of those shitskins are squating all over Europe. Maybe they should have cared.
>>18033658Ataturk ethnically cleansed Smyrna. One of his top allies Topal Pasha was an infamous psychopath murderer and rapist. Now if youâre Turkish I understand why you donât give a fuck but from a Western viewpoint it defies logic that we would tolerate that after criticizing the Ottomans so much for starting the process â once it kicked into high gear with the 3 Pashas we simply gave up on castigating Turkey.
>>18033674Oh and Greece is an EU member, the EU could be controlling the Bosporus right now but whatever
>>18033667I can only guess you're some judeochristian amerimutt upset that his favorite browns don't twerk for rabbis the way you do. Go talk to some of them>>18033671Most likely yeah. There's something to be said about timmy allowing parts of his shithole to be occupied like that and what you wrote is a selfown more than anything.Afghans for example don't even allow people following timmy religion (hinduism) in their country. They get straight to destroying them.
>>18033686The only thing Afghans are destroying is each other.
>>18033679In the 19th century the West was still very Christian so it made sense they would care for the plight of Ottoman Christians. They straight up stopped caring about Christianity after WW1 and especially WW2 though. Wilson transferred Christian universalism to liberalism and that became the real mass religion. Itâs beyond me why conservatives never acknowledge how hostile modern western civilization is to Christianity
>>18033686>lives as incel underclass in a shitty swedish housing project because westerners bombed his country into dust>tries to spin this into a winyeah and I'd like extra tzatziki on my shawarma as well
>>18033690I don't know about that. They're off roading in all the equipment they stole. And the population is mostly in support of Taliban administration over the black interracial porn company subsidiary outpost that was the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Why do you think they're "destroying each other"?https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
>>18033731They wake up, meet up with their friends, cause problems, and are never held accountable while living on whitey's dime. That's a win and you're not gonna do anything about it.You should ask them for extra tzatziki. But I get the feeling you're too afraid to actually visit their neighborhoods.
>>18033733Terrorism is rampant in Afghanistan, the Taliban arent ruling some tightly organized state its very much based on tribal allegiances and local warlords still.
>>18033743>Taliban being structured around tribal allegiances = the country is wrought with terrorism>But north and south muttmurica being murderous shithole full of cartels and sadists that it has over triple the homicide rate of wartorn countries = there is no terrorism and we are akshually prosocial. That's just murica liberty, the demoncrats, or the ebil communistas senor. Or however my rabbi tells me to prep my black bullYou people are way too funny
>>18033736I can't believe your parents eat shit every day working as taxi drivers so you could post this cope. How would they feel, living in some trash commieblock on the outskirts of malmo, knowing their incel son thinks being a gypsy is something to aspire to? maybe you wouldn't be such a loser if they stayed in Iraq after all
>>18033760Nigger people have been to Afghanistan https://youtu.be/Vi7bZabcdag?si=-F5ZvDjewrqu8BDI&t=380>check in to Hotel>under car bomb inspection>X-ray on all luggageYeah terrorism totally isnt a threat even in Kabul, gtfo dreaming turkjeet.
>>18033764Someone in Mamlo must've really hurt you to make you ruminate at a city like this. I don't know how to tell you this but I am not Muslim nor am I Turkish, anon.>>18033767Yes, countries in other parts of the world have security measures. Especially countries that have only recently overcome an invasion. Congrats on cracking the code anon. Truly amazing. Is this the American that got told on camera to "go home american" by the Afghans? Lmao I love that video so much.
>>18033760Terrorism doesnât mean anything anymore, it has lost its meaning and has become a buzzword synonymous with âsomeone that stands in the way of amerishart selfish interests and needs to be removedâ. But if we go by the dictionary definition of the word then the biggest perpetrator, facilitator and supporter of terrorism is israel and its proxy the US
>>18032309Nice cope T*rkroach, now 25% of turkey is kurd and will declare independence soon enough. Iran should cleanse the region of t*rks and deport them to central Asia
>>18033945Thats not gonna happen, ill tell you whats gonna happen, with the iranian tranny gone turkey will now launch an offensive to finally destroy the sdf once and for all, all k*rds will be hunted down and slaughtered mercilessly some rats that do manage to escape will flee back to their native iran
>>18031477Lebanese Maronite are literally all Zionists
>>18031147This would never have happened because the Turks were racists and didn't want to live in the same country as Arabs
>>18033945That's an ignorant mutt meme. Kurds in Turkiye are the most loyal dogs of the establishment despite being openly disrespected and treated like gypsies. They don't even speak Kurmanji at home anymore.>>18033962For starters, Maronites are brown Catholics. They're not Christian and don't call themselves Christian.Of course they bottom for Israel. Did you not learn anything from LatinX/Iberijeet Catholicism?>>18033969Quite the contrary. This literally happened because they didn't want to live around Arabs. That's the entire vision of the Kemalist movement.
>>18033889terrorism is just a funny word for mutts to throw around. there's a reason why europe is careful in how it uses it, but mutts will call defenseless infants terrorists and often call for their destruction everywhere.just look at picrel man. muttistan is a more unstable dangerous shithole than iraq, but they're worried about afghanistan's government? lmao its so surreal
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>>18033658Yep, they don't give a fuck about it right now and they'll care for old stale stories?
>>18031598Looks like a severed foot with a huge boot
>>18033658I personally donât blame Turks for not apologizing for what they did to Anatolian Christians because the same was done to Balkan Muslims and it was completely ignored by the history books, and had the Greeks/Armenians gotten the kind of foreign intervention they desired from countries like Russia they were going to do the exact same thing to Turks that the Turks did to them. There was absolutely no winning in either scenario, itâs just one of those catastrophic moments of history where itâs only misery
>>18033958>>18033982It's going to happen you filthy central Asian scum, and Indo-Iranian kurds will take Eastern turkey. They have a higher fertility rate and outbreed you easily. In Germany, kurds rape t*rkish girls & stab t*rks
>>18035785>Turks dying >misery
TĂŒrk
>>18036016>Euroaches dying>Misery
>>18033679>Ethnically cleansing>A literal population transerSpare me your crocodile tears, euroach, Muslims im Greece were also forced out
>>18036437>>18036440Good morning Saar!
>>18035785Judeochristians cry out in pain as they strike you
>>18031921If ummah real why moslem rape muslima?Why mozlem skin fellow mozlem to death??
>>18035785This is why Turkey denies the genocides and why Turks admit to them with glee. If Ataturk didn't burn Izmir the Greeks would've burned all the Turks in Anatolia too
>>18036817Ottoman TĂŒrk rape Yemeni Arab girl,, make TĂŒrk have orgasm.TĂŒrk does what make TĂŒrk feel good.TĂŒrk penis feel good on Arab vagina.
>>18031147Ottoman revisionism is such a historical illiteracy trait. The Ottoman Empire was a sinking ship, there is no alternative reality where it survives, let alone thrive. It was rotten, outdated, lead by incompetent personalities, weak, culturally lost, low populated, high illiteracy, and they forgot how to win wars. The only reason it was around by 1914 was because western powers. And by the way, the Ottomans lost eastern Arabia before WW1, so most of the oil in this retarded fantasy wouldnât be there. The oil of Iraq wouldnât be enough to make them wealthy. They wouldnât even know how to excuvate the oil.
>>18031147As though Middle Eastern shit-flinging wasn't a thing in the days of the Ottoman Empire. Also the Jews increased massively in wealth, status, and political power; over the last 2000 years. With or without the Ottoman Empire in the mix, the Jews would eventually try to reclaim their ancestral homelands. Which would probably put them in a similar predicament to the one they're in today where they're in nonstop tension and conflict with all the Muslim lands in their immediate vicinity.It would have almost the same outcome.
>>18037517They might try to succeed if they buy more land but it would put them at a similer predicament as the kurds where they're just trying to gain international recognition. They wouldn't be able to migrate into Palestine willy nilly like they did in 1946 and on because they can't take for granted that they will even get their own country like they did under the British.But who knows, maybe the ottomans sell out even quicker just like they sold out in the treaty of sevres.
>>18037517>As though Middle Eastern shit-flinging wasn't a thing in the days of the Ottoman Empire.It wasnât. Not even close to how bad it is post-Ottomans and how much more Europeans fought each other
Any Arab Islamist who cucks for Turkic peoples wants Turks to rape his mother again.
>Absolute state of this threadIslam is proof Marx was wrong; rather than religion âdissolving into airâ due to capitalism it seems to have cemented itself. Entire generations more fanatic than their predecessors
>>18031744>muh populationInsignificant. Mongols conquered China while outnumbered 100 to 1Muhammad Ali conquered Egypt with 3 thousand Albanian shepherds
>>18032285The Armenians of the surrounding regions were destroyed and desplaced in the 1500-1700s by the Safavids and Qajars and Kurdish and Turkmen iqzilbash settlers brought to the deserted regions to colonize the regions into a depopulated bordergore
>>18039310>while outnumbered 100 to 1That's a lie, China was divided into four different states at war with each other at the time, Western Xia, Jin, Southern Song and kingdom of Dali.Southern Song even allied with Mongols against Jin and Western Xia switched sides multiple times.Kingdom of Dali defected and joined Mongols against Southern Song.And the Jin dynasty had internal ethnic civil war, Han and Khitan officers and soldiers in the Jin army defected to the Mongols and helped overthrew the ruling Jurchen dynasty of Jin.Not only that, Genghis conquered Khwarezmia in Central Asia and Afghanistan and Iran before the Mongols finished off Western Xia and Jin (with Southern Song help)The Mongol empire was larger than the Jin dynasty in population and size when it defeated itThe Mongols then conquered all the way to Iraq, Turkey, Ukraine and Romania BEFORE the final war against Southern Song The Mongol empires population, army and territorial size grossly outnumbered Southern Song China by a factor of ten to one
>>18039310>>18039602Also, the Han officers who defected from Jin helped Genghis conquered the Khwarezmians and conquer Iraq, like Gio Baoyu and his son Guo Dehai and his son Guo KanAnd Han generals Shi Bingzhi and Shi Tianze and Shi Gang and Shi Tianlin who helped Batu Khan invade Europe.Han general Shi Gang was married to a Mongol Kerait woman and one of his brothers married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Kublai Khan gave Korean women as wives to Han Chinese Southern Song soldiers who defected to him at Xiangyang in Hubei.Kingdom of Dali in Yunnan helped Kublai against Southern Song. The Dali king kept his throne.
Mongols and Han generals sacked Khwarezmia's major cities in Central Asia and sacked Bamiyan in Afghanistan, while Western Xia and Jin was still in north ChinaMongols and Han generals sacked Kiev, and then sacked Hanoi in Vietnam in 1258 and sacked Baghdad in Iraq in 1258 and sacked Aleppo and Damascus in 1260, while Southern Song still ruled Southern China to 1279.Mongols literally sacked Hanoi in Vietnam while Southern China to the northeast was still under the Song.
>>18039301What he said applied to Europeans. It holds today. Christcuck countries are now atheist and secular
>>18039602>>18039606>wumao r*ddit copes summarized>uhh we were divided>hurr they were bigger when they took the last outpost>durr the Song stabbed us in the back
>>18036016Too bad the turks won and the euros died like pathetic dogs :P
>>18039960Coping incel, the Mongol empire was multiple tines the size of both Jin and Southern Song
>>18039960>>18040053Han generals in the Jin army like Gup Baoyi, Zhang Rou, Liu Heima defected to Genghis against the Jurchens.Kingdom of Dali defected to the Mongols.
>>18039960>>18040053>>18040059Reddit is also extremely anti-China.Mongols never faced a 100 million opponent.The Mongol empire was five times the size of Jin and ten times the size of Southern Song, not "when they took the last outpost" but at the height of Jin and Song.Mongols razed Kiev, invaded Hungary and Poland and sacked Baghdad, Damascus, Aleppo and Hanoi, before fighting Southern Song again
>>18040059Guo Baoyu
>>18040053>>18040059>>18040065>ching chong seethe is flooding this board worse than the yellow river in springholy cope chinksThe Mongols maybe numbered 1 million including women and children (and 2 million horses)The Mogol Horde was 120k-130k strong in totalyou're absolutely delusional pingpong
>>18032947>Keep in mind just how much the West was breathing down the necks of the Ottomans for decades over how they treated minorities.Anon for the love of G-d please stop being so naive about how western countries operate and handle foreign policy. Its 2025 ffs.
>>180400831. The Mongols drafted soldiers and resources from non-Mongols retardFirst, the northern Han generals and soldiers who defected from the Jin helped Genghis destroy Khwarezm.then Mongols would draft comquered Khwarezmians as cannon fodder2. And Again you're full of shit.Mongols are shorter than Han Chinese. Genghis literally butchered all Mobgol men taller than the cart wheels axle when uniting Mongols.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16746138/#q16746138https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16746138/#q16746167Han Chinese also conquered and raped the steppe nomads in the Qin dynasty (Meng Tian conquering Xiongnu), Han Chinese enslaved and genocided Jie nomads.In the Tang dynasty Han Chinese conquered the Gokturk Khaganate in Mongolia and destroyed the Uyghur Khaganate.
>>18040083>>18040107Northern Han and Russian both taller than Mongolhttps://chinaplus.cri.cn/chinaplus/news/politics/11/20190615/303065.htmlMongols are shorter than northern Han Chinese, retard.Genghis Khan literally killed all Mongols taller than a cart wheels axle when unifying the Mongol tribes, and the Mongol Khalkha pony is short and tall riders would crush it.Mongols were conquered and raped by Han Chinese in the Tang dynasty centuries before the Mongol empire ever existed.Most Chinese diaspora are Cantonese who are the shortest in China.Northern Han Chinese fron Shandong are the tallest East Asians genetically,, and it has nothing to do with nutrition.South Koreans have better nutrition than Shandong Han but South Koreans are shorter.Confucius was from Shandong and was six feet tall, neolithic remains of 6 feet tall people in Shandong have been found.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16656141/#q16662277Chinese labour corps expedition in World War I era France were from Shandong and they towered over Western Europeans.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16656141/#q16662769Shandong Han are the tallest East Asians.Shandong Han are taller than other northern Han, who are taller than all Mongols.Average Mongol is a short midget.Shandong Han who have less nutrition than South Koreans are taller than South Koreans.South Korean maximum height is shorter than Shandong Han maximum height.Shandong people were always tall since the neolithic, like Confucius himself was said to be 6 feet tall.Neolithic remains of tall people were found in Shandong
>>18040083>>18040110Manlet Mongol next to southern Han.https://www.alamy.com/mongolian-president-tsakhia-elbegdori-l-shakes-hands-with-chinese-president-hu-jintao-in-the-great-hall-of-the-people-in-beijing-on-june-7-2012-xinhuaupi-image258178449.htmlMongolian President Tsakhia Elbegdori (L) shakes hands with Chinese President Hu Jintao in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on June 7, 2012.
>>18040083>>18040107Entire Han tumen armies led by Han generals like Huo Baoyu, Shi Bingzhi, Liu Heima, Zhang Rou helped the Mobgols against the Jin dynastyHan tumen general Shi Bingzhi's grandsons were married to Mongol women.The entire Kingdom of Dali of Yunnan defected to the Mongols and sent its troops to help the Mongols against Southern Song.
>>18040083>>18040107http://www.gutenberg-e.org/yang/chapter4.html>local forces, led by the Duans, including the Cuan-Bo army (cuan-bo jun), or the Cuan-Bai army, consisted of the majority.36 The Cuan-Bo army took part in the bloody battles in the mid-Yangzi.37 In addition, the Duans also led its force to suppress a large rebellion in Mongolian Yunnan, since the Yuan Dynasty was unable to effectively impose authority over native groups at the beginning of its reign.38Most people in China never saw a Mongol. The Mongols literally sent soldiers from vassal kingdoms like Dali in Yunnan against other parts of China like the Southern Song.https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SKTaDwAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA138>local forces, led by the Duans, including the Cuan-Bo army (cuan-bo jun), or the Cuan-Bai army, consisted of the majority.36 The Cuan-Bo army took part in the bloody battles in the mid-Yangzi.37 In addition, the Duans also led its force to suppress a large rebellion in Mongolian Yunnan, since the Yuan Dynasty was unable to effectively impose authority over native groups at the beginning of its reign.38The Mongols ordered local kingdoms like Qocho and Dali etc. to transfer soldiers to each other's places, Qocho Buddhists from Qocho were moved into Yunnan as soldiers, and Han soldiers from southern China were moved into the Uyghur Buddhist kingdom of Qocho as soldiers.Mongols were never the majority in any campaign in China.The Mongols moved Han Chinese soldiers, officers and officials to Central Asia to rule in Bukhara and Samarqand and to Xinjiang as officials and military colonists, while they moved Central Asian Jews, Nestorian Christians and Buddhists and Central Asian Muslims to Korea as officials.There were barely Mongols to garrison anything, that's why the Mongols relied on Han soldiers and officials in Central Asia
>>18040083>>18040121The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was not sacked.The Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) was escorted north to Beijing and then Shangdu and married to a daughter of Kublai Khan. His mother asked that Lin'an be spared and it was.Kublai had to also leave the entire population of Xiangyang and Diaoyu fortress alone after they capitulated. (Mongol Khagan Möngke Khan was killed at Diaoyu). Both Xiangyang and Diaoyu were besieged for years or decades and they were allowed to surrender with no punishment (no sacking , no rape)The Song governor, military commander and troops all remained in place.Kublai Khan then had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now tirned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Southern Song soldiers literally harassed and screeched Yuan officials until Kublai sent men to Korea to shakedown Goryeo for all available Korean virgins and then sent them to Xiangyang.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278
>>18040107>>18040110>>18040112>>18040117>>18040121>all that r*dditspace kvetch>to deny realityhere's a primary source that btfo's all your mental gymnastics chinksectpicrel shows you're just a limp brittle race of farm beastsThank that Khitan scholar for begging Genghis to spare your worthless ancestors and allowing them to slave in the rice paddies instead of turning all of China into pasture
>>18040124>18040126just in case your squinting slit eyes missed it
>>18040126Your primary source literally says it was Jurched (Jurchens) fighting the Mongols dumbass. Can you read?Genghis had to rely on Han tumen generals like Shi Bingzhi and Shi Tianze to destroy the Jurchens, Shi Tianze's sons married Mongol women.Also the quote attributed to Ogedei and Yelu Chucai was fabricated, and only about Henan, where wheat is the main crop and the land is flat plainsNorthwest China and Southern Chija are mountains with no pasture.
>>18040134Mongols have the smallest slittiest eyes in Asia.
>>18040126Besides you being a dumbass who didn't notice your source was talking about Jurchens fighting the Mongols, not Han, the source you posted is a secondary source by a modern author.Do you know what a primary source is retard?
>>18040136Jurchens (and Khitans before them) were sinicized Mongols zhangI understand PPC curriculum is not very strong in history, but you should be aware of that at least.
>>18040141They need them to aim arrows better at fleeing chinkoids
>>18040147Jurchens are not even Mongolic retard, They are Tungusics and were always sedentary and Khitan were nomadic and continued to speak their own language into the Mongol empire's time.Yelu Chucai spoke and wrote in Khitan.
>>18040146>still seething chink ricecel>ummmm ack-shually they didn't eat all that meat and dairy because le source is not primary enough>hurr nevermind that all historians agree that Mongols raped chinkstan worse than Timur did jeetsdo you not realize how pathetic you are? lots of feminine energy, must be all the söy in your sedentary diet
>>18040158Mongols raped Turkic people and then raped Arabs and invaded Europe.Timur was literally descended from Mongols raping Turks he had paternal Mongol ancestry but spoke Turkic.Timur raped Arabs and Ottoman TurksKublai Khan gave Korean women to Han defectors after Mongols raped Korea
>>18040158>ummmm ack-shually they didn't eat all that meat and dairyTurkic people and Mongols were lactose intolerant and ate dairy only as cheese, yogurt or fermented KumisThey could not drink milk directly without suffering massive diarrhea.Jurchens were sedentary farmer Tungusics who lived off grain and the source you posted indicated they were the main opponents of the Mongols.
>>18040151>muh language familythey were both steppe nomads dipshit chinkbrain. Yes Jurchens/Manchus toosome of them adopted forest and farm lifestyles, that I never denied. But originally they lived and fought the same as Mongols>muh Yelu clanstop fucking coping. ricecels are weak. steppe nomads are and were much better warriors pound per pound. And they were good at local supremacy, that's why everyone thought they were being invaded by 10 million Tartars
>>18040171History disagrees with your false claimsJurchens had chink slaves as arrow fodder, by the tens of thousandsOtherwise the Mongols would not have bothered with bringing over all those horse archersyou can cope and seethe all you want. chinks are lactose intolerant, steppe people can consume milk just fine
>>18040167>obsessed with rape>projecting hard>maldingthe original Chinese do not exist(your) paternal haplo is probably Mongol
>>18040173Jurchens were not steppe nomads retard.Jurchens lived in the mountain forests of Jilin and not on the steppe. Jilin has no steppe in it.Jurchens originated as sedentary pig farmers and sorghum farmers (Heishui Mohe) ans before that they were hunter gatherers and fishermen, not steppe pastoralists.Sorghum is native to "Manchuria"Jurchens lived in fixed villages with wooden cabins, not in yurts on the steppeSteppe nomad pastoralists herd sheep and cattle on the open plains, which Jurchens never did.You're andumbass who is confusing practicing horse archery with being nomadicPlenty of sedentary people have horse archers
>>18040181Entire Han army unite defected to Genghis to help him rape Jurchens, Han generals spearheaded the slaughter of Jurchens in the siege for Bianjing.Han tumen generals Shi Tianzs smashed Jurchen prince Wanyan Chengyi, opening Ogedei's path to the Jurchens in Bianjing. Indo-European nomads Scythians drank milk.Mongols are lactose intolerant retard, whihc is why they eat cheese and yoghurt>>18040186You were the first to bring up rape because of your own ancestryalmost all Turkic people proudly claim Genghisid paternal ancestryKazakhs have Mongol Y-DNA C2 star clusterUyghurs, Crimean Tatars, Uzbeks all had paternally Mongol Genghisid rulers until recentlyHan paternal Y DNA is O3 from neolithic China.
>this threadWe need a turkish genocide
>>18033117Yeah, Idk why they reguse to show inner Arabia as an Ottoman protectorate, which is basically was. It pisses me off because it ruins the borders.
>>18040186>>18040195Kazakhs are the ones with Mongol paternal haplogroup.
>>18031147They didn't like the Turks though
>>18040173play less eu4. it's raped your mutt brain and your understanding of history in the region.jurchens don't exist anymore and all the so called steppoid gypsies like the uyghurs are dead gone and their women are forced to work in brothels
>>18040173Liar, Tang dynasty China conquered Outer Mongolia and ruled it as Protectorate general to Pacify the north, after conquering the Eastern Turkic Khaganate in 630Tang dynasty China also ruled "Manchuria" as a protectorateMing dynasty China conquered and ruled Manchuria as the Nurgan regional military commission and as the Jianzhou Jurchen guard.Ming dynasty had Jurchen (Manchu) eunuch slaves like Yishiha and sliced Jurchen chief Wang Gao to death (Nurhaci's relative)Nurhaci founded the Later Jin (Qing) after the Ming dynasty massacred Nurhaci's father and grandfather in one of its regular punitive expeditions in "Manchuria".Again you're a liar, China repeatedly conquered and raped Mongolia before the Mongol empire existed.Qin and Han dynasty China conquered Inner Mongolia, Qin general Meng Tian ethnically cleansed Xiongnu from the Ordos loop in Inner Mongolia.Han dynasty general Dou Xian destroyed the Northern xiongnu in Outer Mongolia, inscribing the Yanran inscriptions, driving the Xiongnu to Europe where they became Huns.Tang dynasty conquered Turkic Khaganate in Outer Mongolia.The Orkhon inscriptions in Turkic in Outer Mongolia literally say the Chinese made the Turks into their slaves.China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Lelang commandery in Korea for 400 years.
>>18040173>>18040962The Jurchen eunuch slave Yishiha led Ming expeditions against his own people in "Manchuria", building the Yongning temple stele in "Outer Manchuria" (now Russia), proclaiming all this land belonged to the Ming.Han Chinese sliced Yishiha's penis and testicles off and he led expeditions against his own peopleNurhaci's seven grievances said the Ming had killed his own father and grandfather.The Ming dynasty sliced his relative Wang Gao to death in its campaigns against the Jurchens.A Ming general always supervised the Jianzhou Jurchen guard, who later became the Manchus.The Yanran inscriptions and Orkhon inscriptions in Outer Mongolia both testify to Han and Tang China's violent conquests and victories in Outer Mongolia against the Xiongnu and Turks.Tang dynasty China also destroyed the Uyghur Khaganate in Outer Mongolia in 840-847Han Chinese genocided the entire steppe nomad Jie ethnic group, after using the Jie people as slaves.Jie chief Shi Le was a slave to Han Chinese.
>>18040964Han dynasty China conquered Vietnam, Korea and the Tarim Basin, and sent victorious campaigns against the Xiongnu in Mongolia and Dayuan in Central AsiaTang dynasty China conquered the entire Mongolia as "Protectorate general to pacify the north" and conquered Central Asia as "Protectorate general to Pacify the South" and ruled Vietnam.
>>18040195>the proud sons of Han were literally raped by swineherdsIs this your closing statement zhang?
>>18040554>ricecel still coping and seethingMongolia is still independent. As long as there are a handful of shepherds throat singing, the chinksects will do fuck allIt doesn't matter anyway, because you'll get 3 gorged if you even try to set foot outside the perimeter set by others
>>18041000You are neither Han nor Tang (who were nomadic anyways)Because the original Han no longer exist. Steppe nomads are your real ancestors
>>18040469Those are the Chaghatai Chads Don't confuse things. The rich Mongols went and got Kazakh women, the poor rank and file soldiers got Han women to fertilize with their superior genes
>>18041954Genghis Khan personally raped Jurchen princesses>>18041955Han dynasty China raped Mongolia when Dou Xian destroyed the Northern Xiongnu and raped every woman thereThe Yanran inscriptions engraved by Dou Xian are still visible in Outer Mongolia today.The Gokturk Orkhon stele which still stands in Outer Mongolia says the gokturk girls became slaves of Chinese after Tang dynasty China conquered Mongolia.Qin dynasty general Meng Tian raped the Xiongnu in Inner Mongolia as well.the Yenisei Kyrgyz khagan claimed paternal Han ancestry >Mongolia is still independent.Han soldiers raped Outer Mongol women again in 1919.
>>18041961Han are overwhelmingly paternal Y-DNA O3 while Kazakhs are majority C2 star cluster.Kublai Khan married one of his own daughters off to Han emperor Gong of Song (Zhao Xian). She gave birth to Zhao Wanpu.Han general Shi Bingzhi had Jurchen wivesShi Bingzhi's son Shi Tianze had a Korean wife and two Jurchen wives.Shi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait woman and another sin of his married daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.His cousin Shi Tianlin participated in the Mongol invasion of Europe.Han general Guo Kan participated in the Mongol rape of Baghdad His grandfather Guo Baoyu helped Genghis rape the Khwarezmians and Jurchens.Han soldiers raped every woman from Korea to Baghdad to Romania as part of the Mongol army.
>>18041961Kazakhs descend fron the Golden Horde dumbass.Modern Uyghur Muslims (not to be confused with Buddhist Uyghurs) were the ones raped by Chagatai Mongols.
>>18042009>chinsect obsessed with rapeNo no. The Chaghatai raped Central Asia (see Uzbekistan), The Batu raped Western Steppe, and all raped your mudshit ancestors
>>18042005>han soldiers rapedHAHAHAHAHAHAHA with all that estrogen from rice and söy and their 3'' pencil dicklets, I doubt the women in question even felt it, even if true (it's not)
>>18041993>most raped nation in history after india>talks about raping others Maybe America should have allied with Japan in WWII. At least we wouldn't have historically illiterate r*ddit 10cent wumao chinkoids shitting up this board
>>18041961https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9469475/#9469715Y chromosome confirms it's the same as the original Han 3,000 years ago.Han Chinese have the same paternal Y chromosome haplogroups as 3,000 years ago and even further back since the Neolithic. Unless barbarian women came and mass raped Han men and added maternal admixture, Han are the same as ancient China.Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathershttps://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105691Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Agohttps://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0125676 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235620438_Ancient_DNA_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao%27s_granduncle_matches_those_of_his_present_descendants_a_commentary_on_present_Y_chromosomes_reveal_the_ancestry_of_Emperor_CAO_Cao_of_1800_years_agoThe Manchu-Jurchen paternal C2 subclade haplogroup is competely absent from Han Chinese men. It's only found in Manchus, Mongols and other non-Han ethnic minorities.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418768/ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chuan-Chao_Wang/publication/269876995_Y_Chromosome_of_Aisin_Gioro_the_Imperial_House_of_Qing_Dynasty/links/551cf6240cf2909047bcb445/Y-Chromosome-of-Aisin-Gioro-the-Imperial-House-of-Qing-Dynasty.pdf>We reasoned that the events leading to the spread of this lineage might have been recorded in the historical record, as well as in the genetic record. The spread must have occurred after the clusterâs TMRCA (âŒ500 years ago, corresponding to about a.d. 1500) and, most likely, before the Xibe migration in 1764. Notable features are the occurrence of the lineage in seven different populations but its apparent absence from the most populous Chinese ethnic group, the Han.
>>18042015Uzbekistan is not steppe, Carthaginian-Hun-Moor-Turk rapebaby. Uzbekistan is the fertile fergana valley and the major cities of Bukhara and Samarqand.Jochi was given Kazakhstan and the lands west of it
>>18042035Uyghur Muslim paternal patrilineal Y haplogroup chromosomes are a mongrel mix from thousands of years of rape by foreign invaders making them the most mixed hybrid population in the world between Mongoloids and Caucasoids.https://www.quora.com/Do-the-Turks-of-Turkey-share-any-ethnicity-with-the-Central-Asian-Turkshttps://www.quora.com/Are-Uyghur-Kyrgyz-and-Kazakh-people-properly-related-to-Turkic-people-or-Mongolic-oneshttps://www.quora.com/Uyghur-Muslims-are-they-Chinese-or-Turkshttp://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/60_Genetics/TurkicGeneticsGraphs.htmHan Chinese are meanwhile pure Mongoloids with the indigenous dominant paternal patrilineal Y haplogroup chromosome O3a subclade as the majority.
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>>18042042Han are the most homogenous Asians paternally, with one dominant haplgroup, O3everyone else like Mongols is a a mutt mix of different paternal haplogroups none of which dominate.
>>18042023You didn't chose to ally with anyone, Hun rapebaby.US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, after US supplied Japan with 90% of its war material.Japan planned to invade the rest of SEA including the US held Philippines after French Indochina, which is why the US embargoed themUS never embargoed Japan for attacking ChinaJapan sent agents like Satokata Takahashi to America in the 1930s, calling on Blacks to do race war against whites and joining the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World.Japan killed US pilot Robert McCawley Short in 1932 and bombed USS Panay in 1937Japan never planned on allying with the US
>>18042023>>18042055Carthage raped you.Huns raped you.
>>18042039chink wumao you are retardedChagatai Turkic was spoken in Uzbekistan and a bunch of other countriesUzbeks today call themselves Turks. Uzbekistan absolutely was part of the inheritance given to Chagatai here's a link from fucking normiepedia to prove you a liar or an idiothttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagatai_languageThis is why I don't take you wumao insects seriously
>>18042058>obsessed with rape>obsessed with Uighurs (because he wants to jew them out of their landstheoriginalchinesedonotexist.jpgyou know what I'm talking about wumao freak, you come from r*ddit
>>18042110Moor Hun rapebaby, why are you changing the topic and doing a complete non sequiter?I never said Uzbekistan was not ruled by Chagatai.I said Kazakhstan was ruled by the Golden Horde. You then said Kazakhs were from Chagatai and then brought up Uzbekistan being Chagataid.you claimed Uzbekistan was steppe when it is not.Has all the Moor and Hun semen fucked your brain?you got embarrassed and humiliated claiming Kazakhs were Chagatai and are now falsely claiming I said something about Uzbeks that I never said
>>18042113Almanzor's campaigns were a continuation of a policy from emirate times: the capture of numerous contingents of Christian slaves, the famous esclavos or francos, in Arabic SaqtĂŻliba or SaqĂĄliba (plural of Siqlabi, "slave").[477] These were the most lucrative part of the loot, and constituted an excellent method of paying the troops, so much so that many campaigns were little more than slave raids.[478] From these came many eunuchs who were essential elements for handling harems; others were purchased already castrated in Verdun and disembarked in Pechina or AlmerĂa according to Liutprand of Cremona.[479] However, the most valuable take was the beautiful girls, selected according to "the predilection they had for the blonde and redhead Galicians, Basques and Franks,"[480] usually also described as having blue eyes, large breasts, wide hips, thick legs and perfect teeth[481] that "the gynaecea of the royal families and the aristocracy supplied as concubines and legitimate wives."[479] As in the case of the eunuchs, some slaves were bought from pirates attacking the Mediterranean coast, others came from Slavic or Germanic populations passing through several hands from Vikings, and there were also blacks imported from Sudan.[482] Most of these slaves, however, were children who would be Islamized and assigned to work at court, including the work of eunuchs.[479] Jews and, to a lesser extent, Muslims were involved in this lucrative trade, thanks to their ability as interpreters and ambassadors.[479]
>>18042110>>18042113During the rule of Almanzor's AmirĂ regime, the already-rich Al-Andalus slave market reached unprecedented proportions. For example, the Moorish chronicles mention that after destroying Barcelona in July 985, Almanzor brought seventy thousand chained Christians to the great market of CĂłrdoba[317] and, after destroying Simancas in July 983, he captured seventeen thousand women[374] and imprisoned ten thousand nobles.[483] Obviously, these figures must be carefully evaluated, but likewise given the enormity this type of trade reached during his tenure, Almanzor is described as "the slave importer".[317] The commoners of CĂłrdoba even asked his successor to stop the trade since, to get a good husband for their daughters they had to raise the dowries to exorbitant levels because the young Christian slaves were so numerous and cheap that many men preferred to buy them instead of marrying Muslims.[484]
>>18042113reddit is anti-China and supports Uyghur Islamists like Turkistan Islamic PartyMeanwhile this is what Haku said about your Hun and Moor cum filled people
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>>18041955mongolia in the post soviet era of history is a brothel. they hate changs so much they let ivans sexually enslave their women. sibir and kuban cossack thugs fly over there when they want something more exotic than some georgian or azerbaijani booty call (or if they want their growing son's "first night" to be with a virgin girl. the prices thugs pay to pop a hymen is insane LOL)>you'll get 3 gorged if you even try to set foot outside the perimeter set by others1.mutts refused to taiwan as a state throughout all of its history2.a junkie wouldn't dare to act out against their dealer. corporate america would snuff people out for trying to cut into their offshoring profits.3.you're gonna die watching everything around you crumble. all you can do to fight back is presume that im chinese. pathetic
>>18040207Sort of. We need a turkish genocide and a white genocide (a real one)Both are too golemish. Both are shitting threads up by seething about Chang raping their stand ins. Both are trying to do psyops here with their intelligence agencies. They've done this throughout all of history and it's already tired now. Nobody likes the cultures they project and people are moving further East (whether it's Korean, Japanese, or Chinese culture).I want them all gone and yearn for their elimination to come faster. It's really an eye opening experience going from hanging around whites to hanging around Arabs, Indians, or East Asians. I've never met more pragmatic, nicer people in my life.
>>18042177saaaarrrrrrr
>>18042160Also Maggie's in Beijing is filled with Mongol prostitutes.
>>18042124>>18042127>mindbroken dog eater rapebabyyou said Uzbeks are not steppe. you are an idiot and your 'han' ethnicity is more hun anyway
>>18042160chink prostitutes are very famous in the west, it's truemost of them are han rapebabies thoughbeit
>>18042130>>18042132>>18042134>n-no u>goalpost moving>no argument>muh haplo cherrypicked probably fake 'results'pathetic limp wristed cheating lying lazy race of dubious paternal ancestryThis whole interaction has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are dysgenic soulless mongrelsall you know is how to smoke opium and boil dogs
>>18042636Uzbeks and Uyghurs are sedentary farmers you dumb Hun rapebaby. Uzbeks aren't steppe nomads unlike Kazakhs.North China is filled with Mongolian prostitutes and Japan was the biggest exporter of Japanese child prostitutes (karayuki san) to China and the west.Uyghur girls were also known for temporary marriage prostitution.>>18042640Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278Kublai Khan had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now turned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Han dynasty China also ruled Vietnam and Korea 2000 years ago, are they Han majority too sandnigger?Guo Kan's grandfather Guo Baoyu participated in Genghis Khan's conquest of Khwarezmia in Central Asia.Guo Kan grew up in the household of Han general Shi Tianze, whose sons all married Mongol womenShi Tianze's son Shi Gang married a Mongol Kerait Nestorian Christian womanAnother one of his sons married the daughter of Mongol official Menggu Baer.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278
>>18042638Maggie's club n Beijing is filled with Mongolian prostitutes servicing foreigners.Korean girl prostitutes fill massage parlours in the US, Australia and New Zealand.The Southern Song capital Lin'an (Hangzhou) was not sacked.The Southern Song emperor Gong (Zhao Xian) was escorted north to Beijing and then Shangdu and married to a daughter of Kublai Khan. His mother asked that Lin'an be spared and it was.Kublai had to also leave the entire population of Xiangyang and Diaoyu fortress alone after they capitulated. (Mongol Khagan Möngke Khan was killed at Diaoyu). Both Xiangyang and Diaoyu were besieged for years or decades and they were allowed to surrender with no punishment (no sacking , no rape)The Song governor, military commander and troops all remained in place.Kublai Khan then had to hand out Korean women as wives to the Southern Song soldiers in Xiangyang (now tirned into the Xinfu jun,newly submitted army) after they demanded Kublai provide them with women, after defecting.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17388491/#q17388491>>17388491Southern Song soldiers literally harassed and screeched Yuan officials until Kublai sent men to Korea to shakedown Goryeo for all available Korean virgins and then sent them to Xiangyang.Mongols sold their own children incliding daughters as slaves to Han Chinese during the Yuan dynastyhttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220278>>13220278
>>18042638https://www.salon.com/2013/07/27/sexual_trafficking_in_china_kidnapped_into_prostitution/Sex sells . . . Back at the office after lunch, Tom and I thought about sexy stories we could sell. And then it came to me: Maggieâsâthe nightclub frequented by lonely expat businessmen, certain China Daily foreign experts, and Mongolian prostitutes.Maggieâs, which had recently reopened after being shut down throughout the Olympics, had never brought me anywhere near sexual temptation. The few times Iâd gone there left me feeling depressed and guilty, but ever since the night of Potterâs birthday party, I had been curious about the club and the Mongolian women who frequented it. I had never spoken with any of the Maggieâs girls about anything substantial, but I wanted to know their stories. Why, with so many available Chinese women, so many poor Chinese women, were the working girls who populated Maggieâs, the Den, and other hookup bars in Beijing frequented by expats Mongolian? How did they end up in China? What brought them? Maggieâs had been closed during the Olympics, and rumors had surfaced about several murdered Maggieâs regulars, all Mongolian prostitutes. It was a story waiting to be written.Tom and I did some research online. We found the U.S. State Departmentâs Trafficking in Persons report and read that trafficking was a growing problem, with between 3,000 and 5,000 Mongolian women and girls lured or forced into prostitution in foreign countries each year. Many were recruited by deceit, often by friends and relatives, and the vast majority ended up in China. Many came to the bars and karaoke rooms of Beijing, Shanghai, and other major Chinese cities; others ended up farther south, in the saunas and casinos of Macau, the Las Vegas of Asia.
>>18042638>>18043348https://www.china-briefing.com/news/maggies-bar-reopens-in-beijing/Before being shuttered during Beijingâs drive to beautify itself ahead of the Olympic Games, Maggieâs was a stalwart of the the cityâs club scene. Opened for nearly 15 years, the bar has long been a combination of both popular and notorious. A recent article in China Expat described the secret to the barâs success â loud â70s rock music and voluptuous girls from Mongolia.
>>18042638Actual ethnic Mongol historian from the royal Borjigin clan, Borjigin Burensain says Mongol princes married off Mongol women to Han Chinese men.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14414077/#q14414134>>14414124https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931>>13224931Han Chinese bondservants and Han bannermen and Han civilians during the Qing dynasty also made up for skewed sex ratio from female infanticide by marrying ethnic Mongol women in Inner Mongolia.Mongol royal descendant Borjigin Burensain himself admitted that Han farmers in Inner Mongolia were given Mongol wives in the qing dynasty.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223613https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13223671https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13224931https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13225368Han Chinese merchants and soldiers also took Uyghur wives in Xinjiang , Han soldiers in Lubu, Lhasa took Tibetan wives and Han merchants visiting Japan rented Japanese girls