during your great grandparent's lifetime, or perhaps you grandparents depending on how old you are, a small archipelago in the atlantic ocean ruled one quarter of the earth's surface and one quarter of all mankind. today, that same state rules .8% of earth's people and .16% of the earth's surface. never in history has an empire of this size declined so quickly.
>>18035166>today, that same state rules .8% of earth's people and .16% of the earth's surface.and even that's not even ruled by the people from the same stock
>>18035331Rishi Sunak was ousted years ago anon.
>>18035166>never in history has an empire of this size declined so quickly.because it wasn't an empire. This has been explained numerous times.
>>18035335Fine, Kingdom. Never in history has a Kingdom of this size declined so quickly. We good?
>>18035166Gee was it because they used ships for the entire empire and didnt have a continous land mass? Don't they still rule Canada and Australia and some other places technically?
>>18035334By 'stock' I meant in a general sense of character and ideals, and I was referring to parliment as a whole, not a single party's leader.But if you want to go down that path, isn't Starmer Jewish?
>>18035337>>18035166Kinda, because it wasn't all 1 kingdom. It was 1 kingdom who just so happened, through various circumstance, to "control" those areas. Some areas, it actively colonized with people and laws (Canada, Australia). Some areas, it actively exploited economically, and didnt care much about colonizing it with people, because they were already too populated (Egypt, India)Some areas, it just kind of fell into their hands through treaty or circumstance, and they didn't know what to do with it (most of Africa)https://web.viu.ca/davies/H479B.Imperialism.Nationalism/Seeley.Br.Expansion.imperial.1883.htm>We seem, as it were, to have conquered and peopled half the world in a fit of absence of mind. While we were doing it, that is in the eighteenth century, we did not allow it to affect our imaginations or in any degree to change our ways of thinking; nor have we even now ceased to think of ourselves as simply a race inhabiting an island off the northern coast of the Continent of Europe. We constantly betray by our modes of speech that we do not reckon our colonies as really belonging to us; thus if we are asked what the English population, is, it does not occur to us to reckon-in the population of Canada and Australia.
>>18035343What is the result of an island nation losing the amount of people they did through colonization, historically speaking?I almost think they did it on purpose sometimes. Scots and Irish? Get rid of them in Australia. Royals? Get rid of them in Canada. Puritan scum? Send them to America.Ahh now Indians on the other hand. Let's bring some of those over.
>>18035343Maybe? Kinda? In different speeches he shuffled around which part of his family was Jewish. I suspect he's just bluffing for votes.
>>18035352You're trying to condense like 300 years of history, as if there was any single uniform thought our goal within those 10 or so generationsIndians are in the UK, because India is a big trading partner. Im pretty sure a good chunk of Indians in the India work for British companies still to this day. So they will follow the money.
>>18035358>You're trying to condense like 300 years of history, as if there was any single uniform thought our goal within those 10 or so generationsIt wouldn't surprise me when it comes to brits.
>>18035352>I almost think they did it on purpose sometimesI mean yeah sending poor people and criminals to far reaches of the world is minimal investment, solves some short-term problems for you and plants your flavour of person there to establish roots.>>18035353I don't lean into it as a point much because of how wishy washy he is about it. I always thought it was a way to show a 'moderate' side on the whole Labour-is-antisemitic thing. Always thought that was stupid anyway, plenty to criticise about Labour as is.> as if there was any single uniform thought our goal within those 10 or so generationsYou're really not far off though. A strong people have that kind of long-term approach baked into them, in a way that whatever benefits them, benefits their culture and nation, so it extends through time. The state as a person.
>>18035358>>18035369fyi i forgetti the (u)
>>18035369>A strong people have that kind of long-term approach baked into themNot really and this is just silly, and getting into the "metaphysical" aspect of racial supremacy thinking that is so overplayed and tiresome...Can you actually give any historical, scientific, and factual examples of this occurring anywhere?
>>18035385They're quietly mixing with Aryan jeets while Germanys racialist period died in about 20 years.
>>18035520To anyone who isn't a terminally online chud, this sentence makes zero sense. Explain what this means and how this has any connection to what I said? I don't think real life is like Pokemon where you can mix two nationalities together and get a super nationality fusion hybrid
>>18035385Race can be a factor but it's not an essential part of it. Mussolini is a good example, he was big on this sort of concept, without 'the delirium of race' or whatever the quote it. I think you're seeing stuff when they're ain't stuff, which I agree must be tiresome.Nah I'm thinking more the idea of the political, aristocratic and merchant elements of a nation, through education, competition with other nations and their rivals there, and good old nepotistic incentives, at the same as furthering their own goals also have in mind the health and prosperity of their nation. I'm not even talking selfless acts, just a system where doing one automatically does the other. >Can you actually give any historical, scientific, and factual examples of this occurring anywhere?Well I've already given one, and I would extend that (in a lesser sense) to other European states at that time, but I would also think certain periods during the Roman republic and Empire would fit the bill, though I wouldn't be able to give specific date ranges. Early American business? Not sure but seems like it fits.Thing is I was talking about a concept and seeing a place where I thought it sat well, and your response, instead of pointing out inconsistancies or making counterpoints, was simply to say >you're silly and racialistcheck yourself mateand in case you can be bothered, please do respond. I'm not very educated in this sort of thing so if you happen to be I would like to hear you make a point.
>>18035538Nazis thought themselves Aryan and considered brits thier kin. They also thought there was an ancient Aryan migration to India. And um yhea two different people cant mate and combine thier genes i guess because thats racist and science has proven racism false.
>>18035543Nations don't have certain defining characteristics. Nations are not living or breathing; they don't have "willpower" which is the metaphysical aspect of racism that gets tiresome that Mussolini or ol' Hitler dumbly ranted about constantly. So, if I understand right, you are saying that, British people had it "baked into their DNA" to dominate the Indian subcontinent, because....well, it's in their instincts, like a golden retriever.Because saying it was a financial reason would make too much sense, I guess. I get that you probably spent a good chunk of your young adult life reading about this shit, and unfortunately falling for 100 year old Italian and German propaganda, but they were wrong and very silly. >>18035558>Nazis thought themselves Aryan and considered brits thier kin.Nazis also had no problems waging war on them, twice, and calling them trash, so....Does it really fucking matter what a Nazi propagandist told you, lmao?
>>18035569>Nazis also had no problems waging war on them, twice, and calling them trash, so....Does it really fucking matter what a Nazi propagandist told you, lmao?Well this is really what they thought. Anglo Saxons were German and lots of other brits have Norse or west coast heritage. They fought Britain over politics not race. They wanted nothing more than peace with Britian in ww2 and called them kin. Of course the Germans weren't so racist as to be above convenient political hopes.
>>18035569>Nations don't have certain defining characteristicsI think they do, or to be specific the culture or cultures that dominate in said nation do.>they don't have "willpower"We must be on about different concepts then, because I'm talking about a position where the will of the people is unified to the point where they as a collective constitute the nations 'will'. Are you trying to argue semantics?>Because saying it was a financial reason would make too much sense, I guess. But I pointed that out as one of the biggest factors I could think of, along with education and cultural competition. You didn't read my post did you?>baked into their DNAbut I never mentioned DNA? I never said where specifically I was referring to the baking haven taken place, but if you want to know I was thinking of culture and traditions.>ad hominemokayYou've had you chance, I'd appreciate it if you would please remove youself from this place of discussion, it's obviously not 'baked into your DNA' lol
>>18035581>They wanted nothing more than peace with BritianReally? Was is the them attempting an invasion and waging part that just kind of prevented that?
>>18035166>fate of empires
>>18035166>self destruct
>>18035586>I think they doYou can think the moon is made of cheese, but that doesn't mean it is, does it? Again, they don't. The very idea of Nation didn't exit until the 1600s. >>18035586> the will of the people is unified to the point where they as a collective constitute the nations 'will'You think it can last for 1,000s of years. I think that's silly, and it lasts for maybe two generations, tops, before it disappears. That's what this whole thing is about, isn't it?I'd love to hear why you think certain nations have characteristic that are exclusively unique to them, at that certain time of history, than other nations.
>>18035587Oh god are you a bot or what? Britian declared war on Germany without being attacked and Germany was more concerned with Communism in the east. Even though historically there was lots of conflict because Britian screwed Germany every time it tried being colonial WW2 was much different from WW1.British racial science is likely what started Nazi racial autism too btw.
>>18035616Yeah so those bombers over London...what was that about?
>>18035628Britain declared war on Germany before Germany ever attacked them thats what.Read a synopsis before asking questions anyone on /his/ should know you uneducated tumbler tourist woman.
>>18035647Why didn't Germany just surrender if they really wanted peace?
>>18035607>The very idea of Nation didn't exit until the 1600s. Ah, so it is semantics you're after. Okay.>You think it can last for 1,000s of years. I think that's silly, and it lasts for maybe two generations, tops, before it disappears. That's what this whole thing is about, isn't it?That's a pretty nonsenical sentence in the frame of this discussion (if you can call it that). Could you elaborate? Maybe I'm missing the point you're trying to make, it's hard to tell because even though you are responding to me, you seem to be talking to someone else entirely. Are you trying to point out a very specific theme that a people can hold as part of their identity, and using the fault in that one example to discredit the idea of a people holding anything whatsoever as part of their identity? Wild.>I'd love to hear why you think certain nations have characteristicI have already answered this>that are exclusively unique to themI never mentioned anything about characteristics being specifically unique though?Right sorry I've said that were your chance but I gave you an extra go because I was hoping to learn something. Have a nice day.
>>18035166The mongol empire and Alexander's empire declined faster you illettrate jeet nigger. White ppl dont write . Decimals its 0.something
>>18035166They sacrificed their empire to save Poland and the Soviet Union from Nazi genocide. God will reward them for doing the moral thing
Britain’s rapid decline is a combination of economic exhaustion, rising nationalism, shifting global power, and political pressure.
Most overhyped thing ever. Breaking it down:Africa:- Minimal effective control. Treaties with local rulers who have no clue what’s going on and, in turn, have no effective control over pictures territory. The giant chunks of Nigeria, east Africa, and SA outside cape colony are a good example. British civilization is not there, and in parts where it was, it is gone/dissapesring (Rhodesia, SA)Canada:- actual empty ice and space. Remove it from “quarter of world” calculation. - basically a handful of cool cities in North America (among the worst in the continent, though) that Britain managed to convince not to join the USACarribean:- No British civilization present. Tiny, poor islands that were at a time productive because of insane intensity of slavery.Australia: and NZ:- geniunely a civilizational achievement representing the best of the empire. Creating British civilization in the furthest end of the world. Still just populating an empty place.India:- similar to Africa, a little better. Intense economic control in a confused and disoriented, but very rich region. The US has the same level of control in many places on earth. To the extent you can somehow credit Britain with the USA, that would be its crowning achievement. Populating such a gigantic place with such productive people (but all done post- independence) and geniunely tilting world history towards the Anglo world is historical. But again, its hard to credit toward Britain itself.Spanish empire is a bigger achievement in the grand scheme of things. Turned a completely new, populated corner of the world into a completely novel extension of its own self in a way that is permanent. Basically created a new civilization and type of society with enough effective control to basically order every aspect of local culture and align it with pretty much whatever Iberians did. Britain just convinced other Europeans to respect their empty wastelands on a map.
>>18035166>a small archipelago in the atlantic oceanit was literally a jewish banking empire
