Can someone explain to me definitively who is Aryan?
>>18036692Gypsies are Aryan:>The Romani people, also known as the Roma or Romanies, are an Indo-Aryan ethnic grouphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
>>18036694>Indo-AryanWhy the Indo? Who are Aryan?
>>18036692No, because no one actually has a consistent definition.
>>18036692>Can someone explain to me definitively who is Aryan?whites
>>18036733Can you define who is white?
>>18036692Aryan = based, handsome, agrees with meNon-aryan = cringe, fails physiognomy check, disagrees with me
>>18036692teach the children well
>>18036692The Israelites of the Bible are all Aryan...
>>18036692A word who supposedly comes from the Proto-Indo-European aryós/heryós, meaning “fitting, suitable”, adjective from the verb her (“to fit, to suit/be suitable”) + the general adjectival suffix -yós. My question here is, then: how might such a gloss been arrived at by Pokorny or by anybody else? Was there a type of nominalising "-io" suffix in PIE, such as there was in Classical Latin (as with "legiō" from "legō" and "regiō" from "regō). This kill the PIEtards. The root here is verbal: "*ar-/*her-: adjust, adapt/fix, unite. It's over, damn it. It's over.Also R1boos keep forgetting that R1b Yamnaya (which were late PIE) got displaced and their women fucked by R1a Srubna, Sintashta and Andronovo (that had more EEF than them) on the steppes. And by R1b Bell Beakers in Panonia. Yamnaya were the R1b losers of history, just like their kin Afanasievo that got raped out of existence by R1a Andronovo and Tocharians. Pure Steppe are so powerful that they are fucked by their own R1a cousin and IE descendants populations with EEF "slave blood".
>>18037501>Also R1boos keep forgetting that R1b Yamnaya (which were late PIE) got displaced and their women fucked by R1a Srubna, Sintashta and Andronovo (that had more EEF than them) on the steppesThe funny thing is that it is for this reason that we call the Yamnaya proto-INDO-Europeans even though they did not arrive in India like Andronovo descendants did and why Aryan is more common in satem Indo-Iranian/Indic than centum Indo-European languages.
>>18036692>Can someone explain to me definitively who is Aryan?Jeets.
>>18036733Europeans have no right to call themselves Aryan for they are neither Iranian nor Indian, nor Zoroastrian nor Hindu.According to the Avesta and Rigveda, the ethos of being Aryan is religious, cultural, and linguistic, and not tied to the concept of race. By this standard, only Iranians who follow Zoroastrianism and Indians who follow Hinduism can be called Aryan.There is no evidence that ancient Europeans ever called themselves “Aryan.” The term “Aryan” didn't even enter western vocabulary until the 1700s.
>>18036692The definition of "Aryan" in the third Reich was super broad and retarded
>>18037893Would you like to fight communists? Welcome to the honorary Aryan club, here is your thunderbolts and rifle, go now.
>>18036735Not niggers.
>>18037986Okay, but can you define who IS?
>>18037521Brown skin poos are not Aryan, they're the product of white Aryans race mixing with black abbo south east Asians.
>>18036692Not even the ''nazis'' in 1945 are obsessed about race as today muttmericans, and for some race was trivial
>>18036692Aryan is just another term for European or White. Aryans emerged from Southern Russia 6000 years ago and spread East and West. Good article on it:http://age-of-treason.com/2019/01/20/discussing-dna-and-white-origins-with-norvin-hobbs/
>>18036692I thought aryans were indoeuropean or proto-indoeuropeanSo by that rule yeah stalin is "aryan" too at least a bit
>>18038164>Aryan is just another term for European or WhiteThe average Steppe DNA of all Europeans is 30-40% (same as India), excluding non-Northern Europeans only reach to 40-50% Steppe, while Andronovo was 60%.>The modern population of Europe can largely be modeled as a mixture of WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherer), EEF and WSH. In Europe, WSH ancestry peaks among Norwegians (ca. 50%) according to Haak et al. (2015), while in South Asia it peaks among the Kalash people (ca. 30%) according to Narasimhan et al. (2019)>Per Haak et al. (2015), the Yamnaya contribution in the modern populations of Eastern Europe ranges from 46.8% among Russians to 42.8% in Ukrainians. Finland has the highest Yamnaya contributions in all of Europe (50.4%)>5) And what was the route to the Indian subcontinent? From the Yamnaya culture in Eastern Europe to the Central steppes (BMAC) and then to South Asia?>The exact routes are currently unknown. Almost certainly it started in far eastern Europe more than 5000 years ago (with the Yamnaya or their close relatives), then 4500-4000 years ago moved possibly west to east-central Europe (but this westward-before-eastward deviation is not certain), and then moved far to the east across the Urals to the central Steppe (Kazakhstan) and Central Asia (places like Turkmenistan) before moving into South Asia 4000-3500 years ago>It is likely, based on our analysis, that the population that contributed genetic material to South Asia was (roughly) ~60% Yamnaya, ~30% European farmer-like ancestry, and ~10% Central Steppe hunter-gatherer ancestry
>>18036692Me.
>>18036692No such thing, it's nazi LARP
>>18038436North Euro individuals vary quite a bit. It's easy to find Irish or Norwegians over 60% Yamnaya.>Finland has the highest YamnayaOutdated nonsense based on fallacious models
>>18038500>It's easy to find Irish or Norwegians over 60% YamnayaMost of them only get to 52.8-9% and only the Irish are mostly R1b.
>>18038542>Most of themDo you understand the difference between averages and individual samples?
>>18036692>Can someone explain to me definitively who is Aryan?Albanians and Albanians alone.
>>18038436CWC (where Andronovo came from) was more than 70% Steppe.>Haak et al. (2015) found that a large proportion of the ancestry of the Corded Ware culture's population is similar to that of the Yamnaya culture, tracing the Corded Ware culture's origins to a "massive migration" of the Yamnaya or an earlier (pre-Yamnaya) population from the steppes 4,500 years ago. The DNA of late Neolithic Corded Ware skeletons found in Germany was found to be around 75% similar to DNA from individuals of the Yamnaya culture. Yet, Haak et al. (2015) warned:>"We caution that the sampled Yamnaya individuals from Samara might not be directly ancestral to Corded Ware individuals from Germany. It is possible that a more western Yamnaya population, or an earlier (pre-Yamnaya) steppe population may have migrated into central Europe, and future work may uncover more missing links in the chain of transmission of steppe ancestry."
>>18037521Aryans were white and nordic, indians calling themselves aryans is like the reddest peruvian injun calling himself a spaniard because he's catholic and speaks the language
Aryan and Aniran are things you feel. You know it when you see it. Seethers perpetually lamenting and crying foul.
>>18038632That's why Hitler criticized the Revolutions of 1848 and the Ausgleich with the Hungarians that ended the dominance of Germanic Austria. It would take some time, but simple stats showed that if Austria-Hungary would keep going down the path it chose with the Ausgleich it would lose its German character. Vienna in Hitler's time had a lot of non-German Slavic immigrants from all over the Empire and he saw this as a danger to Austria's Germanness. The conspiracy part comes from the Habsburgs breaking bread with Slavic Nobility in an attempt to strengthen Habsburg support within the different nationalities of the Empire. In Hitler's eyes, the Habsburgs chose Austria-Hungary and the Slavs (which ended for outnumbered Germans in some regions by far) over German Austria and the Grossdeutsche losung.If Slavs and Germans are Aryan brothers, why did Hitler want them to have no power in the Austro-Hungarian Empire? It seems some Aryans are better than others after all and Socialism is for only one of them two.
>>18036692It refers to the noble class, the “nobility”. Were words like villain etymology referred to the peasantry class, people who debate and complain and toil and don’t actually produce things which require a lot of skill and discernment. These were natural distinctions that arose out of people’s natures. Hitler takes this concept and applies it to indo European migration studying things like the caste system introduced to India by indo Europeans as well as the Pareto principle applied to the entire earth which implies certain races out achieve from spiritual and environmental factors, and in those certain races/nations/cultures arises fewer and fewer exceptional peoples who define most of our history or great art. an “aryan” is commonly referred to as someone blonde or blue eyes but this isn’t intrinsically means your nobility you just have a higher chance to probably inhibit those traits due to a historical continuity. Remember iq isn’t everything because high iq also means mental disorders and social deregulation.
>>18038652You're talking about a national question, not a racial question. Races can have multiple national manifestations. Your IQ is disturbingly low.
>>18038660>You're talking about a national question, not a racial questionCope. "Slavs cannot govern themselves" cannot be read as a national issue, but rather a racial one. The fact that the majority of the elite in Slavic countries is Baltic/Germanic, and Germany itself would not have existed if Ducal Prussia had not become independent from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (which literally had an elite with an Indo-Iranian supremacist identity over the Slavic masses and it was the most Jewish place in Europe, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradisus_Judaeorum ) and united with Brandenburg, becoming the Kingdom of Prussia because Frederick III of Brandenburg was unable to crown himself King of Brandenburg within the HRE, thus declaring himself King in Prussia by leveraging the sovereignty of Ducal Prussia outside the Holy Roman Empire, while still ruling Brandenburg within the Empire, thereby circumventing the HRE’s restrictions and consolidating the dynastic power that would eventually lead to unifying Germany, just proves it.>IQ The first intelligence test appeared in 1905, when Alfred Binet and Théodore Simon, at the request of the French government, created a scale to measure children's mental age and identify which ones needed school support. However, without yet mentioning IQ, it wasn't until 1912 that psychologist William Stern invented the concept of IQ, proposing to transform this comparison into a numerical index (mental age ÷ chronological age × 100). So the test already existed, but it was Stern who gave it the standardized form we know today.Guess which race Stern belonged?>Ludwig Wilhelm Stern was born on April 29, 1871, in Berlin, Germany to Jewish parents, Rosa and Joseph Stern (1837–1890), their only child
>>18038725>CopeThat's not even a cope, it's a simple concept. So when my American liberalist textbooks say that no one could have foreseen the fall of the USSR and Hitler does it in 1923 using the Volkisch Theory of Race in a single lifetime (the USSR collapses in a lifetime after 1923 in fact) in what can only be assessed as a surreal prophecy coming to life, one has to examine the basis on which the conclusion was reached. If Hitler said "Slavs are stupid monkeys and they're inferior in worth, hence they will decline and crumble" and out of nowhere they decline and crumble in the predicted time frame, then getting offended will not make him less wrong even if we were to shift the tone more aggressively.But you're basically wrong on the racial typography of Aryanism and Slavs anyways. Did you know the Rus were a literal Swedish tribe long ago?
>>18038725>mental age ÷ chronological age × 100That is not the measurement used today.
>>18038732>the fall of the USSR and Hitler does it in 1923 using the Volkisch Theory of Race in a single lifetime (the USSR collapses in a lifetime after 1923 in fact)The Soviet Union wouldn't even exist if it were thanks to Germany in WW1.>The Russian Revolution was organized by the Prussian Army Corps by direct order of Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, with most of the equipment and financial support coming from German banks, again by direct order of the German Kaiser and the Prussians who put Lenin in on a train like a Trojan horse to Russia. This was not the first time that the Prussians had done this, the Paris Commune was created by proto-communist partisans trained once again by the Prussian Army, in Prussian territory, who launched it on Paris after having surrounded the city, after the capitulation of the French Army>The Swiss socialist, Robert Grimm, who Lenin had described as a "detestable centrist", offered to negotiate with the German government in order to obtain a safe passage to Russia. He pointed out that Germany had been spending a great deal of money in producing revolutionary anti-war propaganda in Russia since 1915, in the hope of engineering a withdrawal from the war. This would enable German troops on the Eastern Front to be diverted to the western campaign against Britain and France. Grimm began talks with Count Gisbert von Romberg, the German ambassador in Berne>Alexander Parvus also arrived in Switzerland. The former German Social Democrat who had originally helped to fund Iskra, the Russian revolutionary newspaper, had now gone over to the German government, operating as an arms contractor and recruiter for the war effort. He had been heavily involved in the German propaganda drive among tsarist troops to destabilize Nicholas II. Parvus made contact with Richard von Kühlmann, a minister at the German Foreign Office
>>18038789>Von Kühlmann sent a message to Army Headquarters explaining the strategy of the German Foreign Office: "The disruption of the Entente and the subsequent creation of political combinations agreeable to us constitute the most important war aim of our diplomacy. Russia appeared to be the weakest link in the enemy chain, the task therefore was gradually to loosen it, and, when possible, to remove it. This was the purpose of the subversive activity we caused to be carried out in Russia behind the front - in the first place promotion of separatist tendencies and support of the Bolsheviks had received a steady flow of funds through various channels and under different labels that they were in a position to be able to build up their main organ, Pravda, to conduct energetic propaganda and appreciably to extend the originally narrow basis of their party.">Parvus made contact with General Erich Ludendorff who later admitted his involvement in his autobiography, My War Memories, 1914-1918 (1920) that he told senior officials: "Our government, in sending Lenin to Russia, took upon itself a tremendous responsibility. From a military point of view his journey was justified, for it was imperative that Russia should fall.">General Max Hoffmann, chief of the German General Staff on the Eastern Front commented: "We naturally tried, by means of propaganda, to increase the disintegration that the Russian Revolution had introduced into the Army. Some man at home who had connections with the Russian revolutionaries exiled in Switzerland came upon the idea of employing some of them in order to hasten the undermining and poisoning of the morale of the Russian Army."
>>18038791>Hoffmann claims that Reichstag deputy Mathias Erzberger became involved in the negotiations. "And thus it came about that Lenin was conveyed through Germany to Petrograd in the manner that afterwards transpired. In the same way as I send shells into the enemy trenches, as I discharge poison gas at him, I, as an enemy, have the right to employ the expedient of propaganda against his garrisons.">Paul Levi, a close associate of Rosa Luxemburg, and a member of the German anti-war Spartacus League, handled the Berne-Zurich end of negotiations, with Karl Radek. Levi was contacted by the German Ambassador in Switzerland and asked: "How can I get in touch with Lenin? I expect final instructions any moment regarding his transportation". Lenin now negotiated the deal with the ambassador that would allow him to travel through Germany>Once the three of the carriage's four doors at the Russian end were closed shut, Fritz Platten, a Swiss socialist marked them with chalk in German as "sealed". The train was given a high traffic priority by the Germans. Crown Prince Wilhelm, the eldest son of Kaiser Wilhelm II, was delayed for two hours to let Lenin's train to pass>Russian resistance had fallen apart by the time the Bolsheviks slipped in through the North. Lenin's revolution, however, was heavily funded by the Kaiser as a 'finishing move' against the remaining Tsarist forces. Unfortunately for the Central Powers, Russia was not the main problem, the Western powers' receipt of US troop support was. Ludendorff's resignation and the mutiny of the German Navy sealed it
>>18038794>In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia.">Russian resistance had fallen apart by the time the Bolsheviks slipped in through the North. Lenin's revolution, however, was heavily funded by the Kaiser as a 'finishing move' against the remaining Tsarist forces. Unfortunately for the Central Powers, Russia was not the main problem, the Western powers' receipt of US troop support was. Ludendorff's resignation and the mutiny of the German Navy sealed it. But by sending the most influential communists to start their international socialism movement in Russia, and paying them, Germany prevented its own socialists from forming a core leadership group receiving guidance from Lenin, whose presence in Switzerland before he was inserted in Russia was suspected to be in preparation for a German Socialist rebellion, which the Kaiser feared more than military defeat. He was apparently right, considering what happened to his cousin the TsarThe middleman between Lenin and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany was literally named Israel Lazarevich Gelfand, you can only guess what religion he was.
>>18038789>>18038791>>18038794>>18038796>Did you know the Rus were a literal Swedish tribe long ago?Russians are not Swedes. The fact that its founding dynasty was founded by Scandis only proves how much the greatest Slavic country does not even have a Slavic founding dynasty. Adding this to the fact that Russian serfdom/feudalism was worse and longer lasting than Western European serfdom/feudalism only makes things bleaker.
Claims that Aryans were the white master race are false and discredited.
>>18036692Aryan: Germans, Iranians, Indians, Horn AfricansNot Aryan: Meds, Slavs, Jews, the Irish
>>18036692Aryans are the people who came from the russian steppes and conquered Europe, Perisa and India. They spread the language which all languages in the indo-european language family stem from. That does not mean however that all speakers of those language are aryan. Aryans were only the ruling class of India and teached the natives their culture.The most pure aryans today are the nordic peoples in Europe, as aryans settled there in large enough numbers. They have long skulls, large body size, light skin, hair and eyes. Of course, the aryans mixed with the populations they conquered. For that reason there aren't absolutely pure aryans left but rather various types of what one could call aryan.Tldr, it depends on how strict you want to be
>>18036692Most of the time, the Nazis used 'Aryan' as a synonym for non-Jewish. Any Europan person with no Jewish ancestry was referred to as Aryan, even Slavs.Ther was also of course the Aryan myth propagated by Volkisch and similar writings, that there was in the past, a superior blonde-haired blue-eyed race called Aryans that spread everywhere and created basically all of civilizations. The idea was that Nordic people have the most undiluted Aryan blood, that blonde hair and blue eyes is a sign of high degree of Aryan ancestry etc.This was mainly a fixation of a few Nazi elites and Volkisch "thinkers", but not a big part in Nazi mass-propaganda. In that, Aryan was mostly used in the sense of "non-Jewish". This is how it is used in reference to Stalin. When describing blonde-blue-eyed people (for example, in the official racial classification system), they usually used the term Nordic.
>>18036694Yes, and strawberries are not berries, but bananas are, and also olives are fruit while peanuts are not nuts.We can all play with words
>>18039905>and teached the natives their cultureThis is misleading. The culture of the Indo-Aryans was centered on the Vedas and the Shudras (the caste to which most Indians belong) could not even listen to the Vedas (and if they heard they wouldn't even understand because they are very complex and Brahmins have been trained their entire lives to do this in order to do correct mantras, sacrifices and please the gods) and even if they tried to imitate the Brahmins they would be killed for dishonoring the gods (see Shambuka's story) of Vedas, which were only written down between the end of 1st millennium BC and the Middle Ages because the Indo-Aryans thought that their sound was too sacred to be corrupted in an inferior material made by lower castes.>See Pms 6.1.33. Gautama (12.4) states that if a shrudra listens to the Veda molten lead should be poured in his ears, if he utters the Veda his tongue should be cut off, and if he remembers the Veda his body should be hacked. One is not allowed to study the Veda in the presence of a shrudra: GDh 16.18—19: ÅpDh 1.9.9; VaDh 18.3; YDh 1.148.>The ancient precept, "Vedas are destroyer of agriculture and agriculture is destroyer of Vedas", is shown as one of the reasons as to why the Shudras were not allowed to learn Vedas>The Vedism is a sacrificial religion whose goal is to reach immortality by sacrifices to the god Prajapati and Agni and Indra. There's no Brahma no Vishnu and Krishna. The entire universe relies on sacrifices by the brahmins (and only the brahmins) to get going. The brahmins performing correctly the sacrifice is called karma. That's what karma means in Hinduism. The legend says the Rishis on earth managed to get this knowledge and they passed it along to create the brahmin caste. Only the brahmins know the way to immortality and can be holy people. People outside the caste can't have a connection to the brahminical gods
>>18039982>So the most important daily duty of a brahmin is to do good karma, ie to sacrifice fire all the time. And where does he do it? in the middle of his house. The duty of the brahmin is to be a householder for A. sacrifice B. getting married C. having a son. Vedism is the chud's fantasy turned into a religion lol : the brahmins say they reach immortality by being a householder who nuts into some woman and gets a son out of it. This is taught in all the oldest Vedic texts>"A man who has no wife is not entitled to sacrifice." Taittiriya Brahmana>"Therefore, having found a wife a man considers himself to be, as if, more complete." Aitareya Aranyaka (1.2.5)>"What is the use of dirt and deer skin? What profit in beard and austerity? Seek a son, O Brahmin, he is the world free of blame." Aitareya Brahmana>This is the ''rebirth'' theory of the brahmin in the Vedism:>"The husband, after conception by his wife, becomes an embryo and is born again of her; for that is the wifehood (jayatva) of a wife (jaya), that he is born (jayate) again by her." law book of Manu (9.13)>Rg Vedic (5.4.10) prayer: "Through off-spring, O Agni, may we attain immortality.">"In your offspring you are born again; that, O mortal, is your immortality" (Taittiriya Brahmana, 1.5.5.6)>Then they go one more step into cringe in the oldest Upanisad: they equate the sexual parts of a woman with elements of the sacrifice and equate sexual intercourse to a Soma sacrifice:>"Her vulva is a sacrificial altar; her pubic hairs, the sacrificial grass; her skin, the Soma-press; and her labia, the fire in the middle. As great indeed as the world gained by one who performs a Soma sacrifice, is the world gained by one who, with this knowledge, engages in sexual intercourse." Brhaddmnyaka Upanisad (6.4.3)>The familial-social duties peaked with procreation. This means also that the human individual is not given any conceptual reality in the hindu society
>>18039988>Now that was before the urbanization, the creation of big cities and kingdoms, and the jains and buddhists and all the random sramanic ascetics who called BS on the brahmins. No wonder the brahmins were not happy to hear the Chud religion is outdated and comical. The ascetics were all about renunciation and meditation, instead of being a householder and fornicating and waving hands in the air during farcical fire rituals>Then all of a sudden in the oldest Upanisads the weirdest thing happens: it's now the philosopher-kings who teach the brahmins about transmigration. It turns out brahmins didn't really know nor care about that. And the Kings begin to teach them various theories about samsara, karma, rebirth, and liberation>So for intsance, the vedic karma of the sacrifice by all brahmins becomes in fact a source of suffering in buddhism and jainism: karma is evil. That's completely backwards from what the Brahmins preached in the Vedic period. Karma was positive and a guarantee of immortality and now karma is evil and keeps you going on the samsaric cycle of births full of suffering. Getting out of this mess is not done by procreation and providing for a stay at home mom and her kids leeching off, but to individually create at the very least good karma with morality and meditation, and in fact to stop creating karma>And the brahmins themselves start shitting on their own dogmas that their own rituals and sons are a connection to some better life:>"That great, birthless Self which is identified with the intellect and is in the midst of the organs, lies in the ether that is within the heart. It is the controller of all, the lord of all, the ruler of all. It does not become better through good work nor worse through bad work[=karma=rituals]. It is the lord of all, It is the ruler of all beings, It is the protector of all beings. It is the bank that serves as the boundary to keep the different worlds apart
>>18039996>The Brāhmaṇas seek to knowIt through the study of the Vedas, sacrifices, charity, and austerity consisting in a dispassionate enjoyment of sense-objects. Knowing It alone one becomes a sage. Desiring this world (the Self) alone monks renounce their homes. This is (the reason for it): The ancient sages, it is said, did not desire children (thinking), ‘What shall we achieve through children, we who have attained this Self, this world (result).’ They, it is said, renounced their desire for sons, for wealth and for the worlds, and lived a mendicant life. That which is the desire for sons is the desire for wealth, and that which is the desire for wealth is the desire for the worlds, for both these are but desires. This self is That which has been described as ‘Not this, not this.’ It is imperceptible, for It is never perceived; undecaying, for It never decays; unattached, for It is never attached; unfettered—It never feels pain, and never suffers injury. (It is but proper) that the sage is never overtaken by these two thoughts, ‘I did an evil act for this,’ and ‘I did a good act for this.’ He conquers both of them. Things done or not done do not trouble him." Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.4.22>And by the Late Upanishads:>The first seven mantras of second khanda of first Mundakam explain how man has been called upon, promised benefits for, scared unto and misled into performing sacrifices, oblations and pious works. In verses 1.2.7 through 1.2.10, the Upanishad asserts this is foolish and frail, by those who encourage it and those who follow it, because it makes no difference to man's current life and after-life, it is like blind men leading the blind, it is a mark of conceit and vain knowledge, ignorant inertia like that of children, a futile useless practice
>>18039999>"But frail, in truth, are those boats, the sacrifices, the eighteen, in which these ceremonies have been told. Fools who praise this as the highest good, are subject again and again to old age and death. Fools dwelling in darkness, wise in their own conceit, and puffed up with vain knowledge, go round and round, staggering to and from, like blind men led by the blind." —Mundaka Upanishad, 1.2.7 - 1.2.8>In fact they even reject the 4 Vedas as meaninful for liberation:>Angiras answered, states verse 1.1.4 of the Mundaka Upanishad, by classifying all knowledge into two: "lower knowledge" (apara vidya) and "higher knowledge" (para vidya). Hume calls these two forms of knowledge as "traditions of religion" and "knowledge of the eternal" respectively>The lower knowledge includes knowledge of four Vedas, phonetics, grammar, etymology, meter, astrology, and the knowledge of sacrifices and rituals. Some manuscripts of Manduka Upanishad expand the list of lower knowledge to include logic, history, Puranas and Dharma. The higher knowledge is the means by which one can comprehend the imperishable (Aksara, Brahman). It is the knowledge of Brahman - the one which cannot be seen, seized, has no origin, varna, eyes, ears, hands, or feet; it is the eternal, all-pervading, infinitesimal, imperishable, indestructible
>>18040006>All of this original knowledge is bundled into the oldest Chandogya Upanishad as the knowledge of ''the five fires'', which guarantees the brahmins to reach immortality:>"Those who know this [about the five fires], and those who live in the forest practising austerities with faith—they go after death to the world of light. From the world of light they go to the world of day; from the world of day to the world of the bright fortnight; from the world of the bright fortnight to the six months when the sun moves northward; from there they go to the year; from the year to the sun; from the sun to the moon; and from the moon to lightning. There someone, not human, receives them and leads them to brahmaloka. This is the path of the gods.">The Vedas were written down only after 500 BCE, but only the orally transmitted texts are regarded as authoritative, given the emphasis on the exact pronunciation of the sounds. Witzel suggests that attempts to write down the Vedic texts towards the end of 1st millennium BCE were unsuccessful, resulting in smriti rules explicitly forbidding the writing down of the Vedas. Due to the ephemeral nature of the manuscript material (birch bark or palm leaves), surviving manuscripts rarely surpass an age of a few hundred years. The Sampurnanand Sanskrit University has a Rigveda manuscript from the 14th century, however, there are a number of older Veda manuscripts in Nepal that are dated from the 11th century onwards>The Vedas were orally transmitted by memorisation, and were written down only after 500 BCE, All printed editions of the Vedas that survive in the modern times are likely the version existing in about the 16th century CE
>>18036694The indo part nullifies the aryan
>>18040011This is the true Father of Hinduism:>The Bhakti movement was a significant religious movement in medieval Hinduism that sought to bring religious reforms to all strata of society by adopting the method of devotion to achieve salvation. Originating in Tamilakam during the 6th century CE, it gained prominence through the poems and teachings of the Vaishnava Alvars and Shaiva Nayanars in early medieval South India, before spreading northwards. It swept over east and north India from the 15th century onwards, reaching its zenith between the 15th and 17th century BCE>The Bhakti movement regionally developed around different Hindu gods and goddesses, and some sub-sects were Vaishnavism (Vishnu), Shaivism (Shiva), Shaktism (Shakti goddesses), and Smartism. The Bhakti movement preached using the local languages so that the message reached the masses. The movement was inspired by many poet-saints, who championed a wide range of philosophical positions ranging from theistic dualism of Dvaita to absolute monism of Advaita Vedanta>The movement has traditionally been considered an influential social reformation in Hinduism, as it provided an individual-focused alternative path to spirituality, regardless of one's birth or gender. Contemporary scholars question whether the Bhakti movement was ever a reform or rebellion of any kind. They suggest that the Bhakti movement was a revival, reworking, and recontextualisation of ancient Vedic traditions>Klaus Witz, in contrast, traces the history and nature of the Bhakti movement to the Upanishadic and the Vedanta foundations of Hinduism>Ancient Indian texts, dated to the 1st millennium BCE, such as the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, the Kaṭha Upaniṣad, and the Bhagavad Gita mention Bhakti
Bharat was called Aryavarta in the vedas and the people who followed the vedas were called Aryans. We don't really know who wrote those Vedas, they're believed to be passed through orally in the ancient times until writing was developed. Maybe people from Iran-Indus region were the first adherents of Vedic culture, who knows? We can say this because our dialects are similar, but there is no recorded evidence of Europeans using the Vedas.I don't understand why present Europeans have such an affinity for that word. I get it that Germans used that word for propaganda, but like an anon has said above there is no documented use of the word Arya in Europe. Maybe the "Aryan-invasion" theory is true, but those European invaders never called themselves as Aryans.
>>18040044https://vocaroo.com/128D0TJi6BhS
>>18040044>there is no documented use of the word Arya in Europe.Why are you speaking confidently on a subject you know nothing about?https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/aryos>Maybe the "Aryan-invasion" theory is true, but those European invaders never called themselves as Aryans.You are simply wrong. It existed as a personal name or component of names throughout Europe. There are place names which use it as a component, and there were European tribes who called themselves Aryans.
>>18040044>I don't understand why present Europeans have such an affinity for that word.The word Aryan is Greek, meaning people who are of the god Aries.
>>18036718Iranians
>>18040078>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Celtic/aryos"This Proto-Celtic entry contains reconstructed terms and roots. As such, the term(s) in this entry are not directly attested, but are hypothesized to have existed based on comparative evidence.">There are place names which use it as a component, and there were European tribes who called themselves Aryans.source?>>18040080>ariesnice try schizo
>>18040094You might be having trouble reading that page if you've never seen a linguistic reconstruction before. These words are directly attested:Old Irish: aireIrish: aireGaulish: ariosThey are used to reconstruct a word in Proto-Celtic but it turns out the attested Gaulish word 'arios' is equivalent to the Proto-Celtic word.Place names include Ariolica (multiple locations) and Arialdūnum.
>>18036692>Can someone explain to me definitively who is Aryan?Holy shit another fed OP post that generates a billion replies of shit. It only needs one reply. It isn't complicated. It isn't a dilemma. It's very simple. And fed OP is pretending not to know that.1) Hitler popularized the false connection between ancient Aryans and Germanics. Because Hitler wasn't a historian. He wasn't even a well-read amateur historian. He was career politician with a penchant for public speaking and interest in esoteric mysticism. 2) The Aryans were actually ancient Iranians and to this day "Aryan" is most commonly used as a name in Iran. Even the self-designation "aryan" was first used by ancient Iranians.Darius the Great and his son Xerxes I describe themselves as "aryan" in the Behistun Inscription sometime in the 500's BC.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan#Historical_usageSo no, "Aryan" doesn't actually mean white.Boom! That's it fed OP, you can go home now.
>>18039955In what world are olives not considered fruit?
>>18040118>Even the self-designation "aryan" was first used by ancient Iranians.meds
>>18040122I'm not taking your meds. You have no argument fed. You fucking suck at your job.
>>18040132You're as ignorant as an out of India theorist. If you were actually reading the thread you would see your claim is contradictory to the actual historical evidence.
>>18040137That's not an argument fed and it has absolutely nothing to do with fucking India.I've given evidence. You've given nothing.You're such a stupid fed.You suck as your job.
>>18040143You linked to Wikipedia. Open up any good Celtic dictionary and you'll immediately see the term is attested in Celtic. It's not unique to Iran. It goes back to Proto-Indo-European. Iranians were not first to use it.https://archive.org/details/EtymologicalDictionaryOfProtoCeltic/page/n47
>>18040143Med jeets, the brown skin abominations which came to be when whites race mixed with their black slaves, are not Aryan because Aryans are people who are of the god Aries and Aries is white.
>>18040149>>18040150Protoceltic isn't a language it isn't written anywhere. It's a theorectical proto-language that has no direct evidence of ever existing. Also, it isn't dated.Old Persian is etched onto rock in the Behistun Inscription. This means it can be accurately dated to the 500's BC.it's a real language that was written down and actually existed. it isn't reconstructed.You already know this. You're a fed.
>>18040118>Holy shit another fed OP post that generates a billion replies of shit.there are at most 4 retards talking amongst one another bumping this useless thread. every race claims to be aryan lmao, there's no point arguing on the internet.
>>18040163You were just shown directly attested words in real historical languages. Gaulish 'arios' is a Celtic equivalent to Sanskrit 'ā́ryaḥ'. The fact that a Proto-Celtic word is reconstructed on the basis of attested words is irrelevant.Whether or not you accept linguistic reconstructions is therefore not an issue. However, if you do not in principle also accept the scientific evidence provided by historical linguistics through the comparative method which yields reconstructions, you are an anti-intellectual crank who does not accept a standard type of evidence any good historian would use.
>>18040168No, fed op just wanted to invoke Hitler again. Holy shit are feds obsessed with Hitler. That's it. They bring up the same topics over and over again that they want you to care about so you ignore things that are actually important. And when you don't come to the conclusions they want, they just shit everything up with half-wrong factoids or outright lies.
>>18040192>You were just shown directly attested words in real historical languagesProto-celtic isn't a real language samefag fed.It's a reconstructed language.It was never written.And it has no dating.You know this.You're just repeating yourself again fed.Here's the same answer to match your repetition.Old Persian is etched onto rock in the Behistun Inscription. This means it can be accurately dated to the 500's BC.it's a real language that was written down and actually existed. it isn't reconstructed.Ok, You're a stupid fed.You suck at your job.
>>18040197Last reply:The word is directly attested in• Gaulish• Celtiberian• Latin• Old IrishAll real languages. It's still in use in modern Irish to this day.
>>18040204>not denying the fed allegations
>>18040206>fed allegationsAnon, you're just a schizo having a delusion of persecution. Take your meds.
>>18040204Proto-celtic isn't a real language samefag fed.It's a reconstructed language.If the words you mentioned are actually direct attestations it's your job to actually prove that.For example, you mentioned Proto-celtic as having a direct attestation in Celtiberian which is impossible because Celtiberian was never written down. so off the bat. That's yet another fuck up. You're a fed just churning out endless amounts of shit.BUT, let's just entertain the idea for a second.The words in ProtoCeltic you mentioned -aryo "free-man"ar-yo "to plough" These are completely different from the old Persian usage that actually directly refers to ethnicity."I (am) Darius the great king, king of kings, king of the countries possessing all kinds of people, king of this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, the Achaemenide, a Persian, the son of a Persian, an Aryan, of Aryan lineage."https://archive.org/details/cu31924026893150/page/42/mode/2up?q=aryanhttps://www.livius.org/sources/content/achaemenid-royal-inscriptions/dna/Feds are so desperate these days holy shit.>>18040226You're such a stupid fed. Holy shit are you stupid.Guess what's actually schizo?Oh right, the Nationality that fedpost on 4ch all the time. A genetic problem due to inbreeding in fact.
>>18040238You were just linked to a dictionary which proves the words were directly attested. There's also a Wiktionary link in the thread with citations pointing to dictionaries which prove the words are attested.>Celtiberian was never written down.imbecile
>>18036692It was an ethno-religious group of people in what is now India and Iran, hence indo-iranian.Historians stopped using the word aryan, despite this being the way they referred to themselves, because Nazi's poisoned the well by coopting the term and using it to justify a war that ended up being the deadliest conflict in history.They were almost certainly not white, not a nation, not blonde of all things, and despite seeing themselves as a noble and moral in group, had writings about coexistence with the other groups around them.
https://youtu.be/tc4-6F7j1Y8?si=RkdMMBDKpVJJvd4W
>>18040120The world where "fruit" means something sweet and not greasy
>>18040254Finally fed anon replied.I purposely said Celtiberian was never written down as a test to see if you would correct me.It definitely was. Can you find the direct attestation for aryo "free-man" or ar-yo "to plough" in a Celtiberian text?I've searched, I can't find it.A single Celtiberian language document or artifact?Nope, not there.>>18040254>You were just linked to a dictionary which proves AhaAnd no, it doesn't give any example of a direct attestation and they aren't even the same word with the same meaning as the Persian word "aryan".And once again, Proto-celtic isn't a real language. It's a reconstructed language.You're just a fed lol.
>>18040258>because Nazi's poisoned the wellNo they didn't.It's literal American/Israeli feds that promote that shit online. They're the ones poisoning the well.You don't take ownership of a word by miss-using it. That's leftist logic.>deadliest conflict in history.That wasn't WW2. The Mongol invasions for example killed a far greater proportion of the world population.>They were almost certainly not white, not a nation, not blonde of all things, and despite seeing themselves as a noble and moral in group, had writings about coexistence with the other groups around them.More leftist shit.No, the Achaemenid Empire were ruthless and by today's standards extremely "racist". They were the the Iranian version or the Roman empire.Is this your second personality fed anon?
>>18040266It's on the third Botorrita plaque.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botorrita_plaque>And no, it doesn't give any example of a direct attestationIt does. There's no point in talking to someone off their meds with no reading comprehension ability.
>>18040319>It's on the third Botorrita plaque.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botorrita_plaqueWhere...I already looked therearyo "free-man"ar-yo "to plough"Aren't found anywhere on the page.>>18040319>It does.No it doesn't. Saying something is directly attested without giving an example with a checkable source is generally how academics like to lie.All it would take you is a single fucking minute to point out the stupid attestation.ie, this word here comes from this word over here.You're a fed. Why is it that I instantly and earily gave you an old person use of the aryan with it's location in an actual rock carving but you can't even provide an attestation for its use in celtiberian.And even if it was there it doesn't change the primary fact that they still mean completely different things.
>>18036692Linguistically South Asians, like Indians and Iranians. Genetically Erzyans (and other Finno-Permic people).
>>18040341The plaque has a list of family names with the suffix -kum added. The word you're looking for is araiokum. Celtiberian inserts epenthetic vowels after -r- so ario- becomes araio-. In other words, the plaque attests to the existence of a family which referred to themselves as Aryans.I'm sorry that you have too much ADHD to sit your ass down and read a dictionary entry, but in this case I'm just going to assume you are utterly hopeless and retarded. Old Irish 'aire' and Gaulish 'ario-' are right there. You are blind.
>>18040285>You don't take ownership by...No, but words and phrases can become associated with groups and orgs that associate with them.Like how when I say "bada bum bum bum, I'm lovin it" everyone know it's the mcdonalds jingle, it's really not some difficult to grasp leftist idea...>That wasn't the deadliest conflict just because it resulted in the highest amount of dead people... If we split hairs I can argue the mongols killed more "per-capita"You call me a leftist and then appeal to per capita stats like one... What if we consider the fact that the mongol invasion took 12 times longer to resolve. The Nazi's killed more people per capita/hour. Also mongol ideologies aren't really a relevant cultural meme in the west, so there's not much need to maintain distance from it. Ironically you're a mongoloid for not intuitively understanding that.>The achaeminid empire was ruthless and racist by modern standardsThey certainly were by my standards, idk if they were anymore or less racist than the Nazis. One thing is for sure Aryan was a cultural group that had elements of proto-nationalism, but the Nazi's had an inherently murderous ideology that is incompatible with enlightenment values and was highly predicated on racial purity.
>>18040238>aryo "free-man"Free is an interpolation, it stems from being noble.
>>18040238>of Aryan lineageStock or race are the actual words.
>>18040238Orja unrelated
>>18040461>Nazi's had an inherently murderous ideology that is incompatible with enlightenment valuesThis is the most insane take I've ever witnessed
>>18040464Matasović dropped the ball here with the semantic comparisons. He must have had a brain fart when he wrote "host" and "kind, hospitable" instead of more relavent senses like "freeman, master, lord" etc.
>>18040366>araiokum1) Ok, so we are going from Aryo to araio, and from araio (Arayo?) to Aryan? This is just a comical stretch at this point. 2) A family name is a completely different thing from the Old Persian - "a Persian, the son of a Persian, an Aryan, of Aryan lineage."You're essentially making the argument that white and green as last names are referring to your ethnicity.I mean thanks for actually doing the bare minimum of actually telling me what point you were trying to make. But unfortunately it's complete bullocks.
>>18040467>>of Aryan lineage>Stock or race are the actual words.Which is why they aren't used in the translation?>>18040464>Free is an interpolation, it stems from being noble.Which is why that isn't provided as the meaning?>>18040461>No, but words and phrases can become associated with groups and orgs that associate with them.ok.>You call me a leftist and then appeal to per capita stats like onewtf, It's the other way around. Leftists are famous for NOT understanding per capita like you.WW2 killed roughly 4% of the world population and The Mongols easily killed twice the percentage of the world population. Even if you just focus on a single country. Germany for example lost a greater proportion of their population in the 30 years war in the 1600's than they did in WW2.The only reason WW2 is brought up so much is because Jews are obsessed with WW2.Even though Hitler killed more ethnic Germans than Jews. They only care about their own lives.>They certainly were by my standards, idk if they were anymore or less racist than the Nazis.Easily more. Even Jews themselves believe themselves to be God's chosen. Even the Nazis weren't that narcissistic. >One thing is for sure Aryan was a cultural group that had elements of proto-nationalismNobody invented nationalism mate.That's a stupid as saying somebody invented private capital.>but the Nazi's had an inherently murderous ideology that is incompatible with enlightenment values and was highly predicated on racial purity.Hitler literally didn't invent any of the things you just attributed to him.you're a fed.Hitler is irrelevant.
>>18040485>araiokum>>1) Ok, so we are going from Aryo to araio, and from araio (Arayo?) to Aryan? This is just a comical stretch at this point.This isn't complicated, but first you need to understand the basic facts:1) "Aryan" is an English language term. It is an Anglicization of the Indo-Iranian term and has no relevance to the precise historical realization or pronunciation of the word in different languages.2) the change is only Celtic 'ari̯o-' > Celtiberian 'arai̯o-'3) We are comparing words in different languages such as Gaulish and Sanskrit that have a common ancestor in a parent language called Proto-Indo-European, so there was one word in this parent language that came to be pronounced differently in the descendant languages.• Proto-Indo-European *[ħári̯os] (nominative singular) "Aryan"• >Sanskrit áryaḥ• >Gaulish arios
>>18040485>You're essentially making the argument that white and green as last names are referring to your ethnicity.No, that is not my argument. While names can refer to an ethnic background, that by itself is not why I think this label referred to an ethnicity in Europe. First it has to be demonstrated that the word even existed in Europe (it clearly did). Then we can move on to its meaning.
>>18040796A quick review of some evidence for the use of *[ħár-(i̯o-s)] as an ethnonym outside of Indo-Iranian:1. Anatolian. Here the root *[ħar-] is used but not the stem *[ħár-i̯o-]• Hittite arā- ‘member of one’s own group; peer; friend’.• Carian Κᾱ́ρ (Kā́r) 'a Carian'. In the Carian language, /k/ reflects PIE */χ/ which later became */ħ/2. Germanic• Germanic tribe named Eruli. Pre-Proto-Germanic *[ari̯o-lós] > *er(u)l- 'earl' > Eruli ‘(autonym) an east Germanic tribe who lived around the northern coast of the Black Sea’. Here the stem *[ħár-i̯o-] is used as the self-designation of a Germanic tribe. In other words, they called themselves Aryans.3. Celtic• Celtiberian araiokum ‘a Celtiberian family name’• Celtiberian inscription located here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1alba_de_Villastar>To the mountaineer and..., to Lugus of the Aryan peoples/tribes, in rural procession we came. For the mountaineer and the equestrian, for Lugo, the chief of the community raised a roof/covering, (also) a roof for the thiasus• Celtic tribe named Aresaces. Like the Eruli, the stem *[ħár-i̯o-] is also used. Here are the sound changes involved:Gaulish Arius */ar.i̯os/ > (epenthesis) Ariios */a.ri.i̯os/ > */a.re.i̯os/ > Areos */a.re.os/ > (syncope) Ares- */a.res-/ >> (suffixation) Ares-ac- */a.re.sā.k-/(Each step has an attested spelling so you can follow the evolution of the word *aryos as it becomes Ares. There are also parallels in other Gaulish words.)4. Honorable mention to the Germanic tribe called the Harii, also connected to the Charini (probably based on the same name). Most have interpreted this tribe name as Proto-Germanic *harjaz 'warrior', but it's actually more complicated than that. It's also spelled Arii, and Latin spellings of Germanic tribes can vary between H-, Ch-, and O- (nothing) which indicates Latin writers often gave inconsistent or false spellings because they didn't actually know how a Germanic tribe's name was pronounced.
>>18040522>Which is why they aren't used in the translation?The exercise was for you to compare the text on the right with the translation on the left. Lineage is used as the most neutered version pointing to racial stock. You get an F for not attempting the work.>Which is why that isn't provided as the meaning?Yes, that was the point of the post and the various references to the word being used abroad.
>>18040720>"Aryan" is an English language termWhich is why this whole time you've been arguing about your imaginary proto-celtic words literally translate to modern English Aryan.....Come on. You're a fed.The old Persian Ariya isn't your imaginary proto-celtic Ayro or the celtiberian Araio (Arayo).The meanings aren't even remotely the same.>We are comparing words in different languages such as Gaulish and Sanskrit that have a common ancestorNo they don't have a common ancestor. We have exactly zero evidence for that in the archeological record. Absolutely nothing. That's complete bullshit. >Proto-Indo-European,Something that doesn't exist. It's not even a proven theory.>• Proto-Indo-European *[ħári̯os] (nominative singular) "Aryan">• >Sanskrit áryaḥ>• >Gaulish ariosYeah, absolute lala-land shit.By that logic, the old Chinese 母 mǔ which becomes the modern 妈 mā and 妈妈 māmā which means mother and isn't a loanword is proof that Chinese must be a PIE language and that PIE must be real.It's just bullshit. It's not scientific. It's not based on anything.
>>18040862>By that logic, the old Chinese 母 mǔ which becomes the modern 妈 mā and 妈妈 māmā which means mother and isn't a loanword is proof that Chinese must be a PIE language and that PIE must be real.Oh boy. You don't know how deep you fell.
>>18040865>>18040862
>>18040796>No, that is not my argumentThat's exactly your argument.>that by itself is not why I think this label referred to an ethnicity in EuropeSee. It is your argument. You can shut up now.>>18040807>>To the mountaineer and..., to Lugus of the Aryan peoples/tribes, in rural procession we came. For the mountaineer and the equestrian, for Lugo, the chief of the community raised a roof/covering, (also) a roof for the thiasusWhere's the link for that translation?I love it how absolutely nothing you ever say is direct or to the point. It's just meandering shit that's attempting to make something true that isn't true.>>18040811You made shit up that isn't there. You gave your own personal translation that isn't there. You aren't testing anything. You're just wasting people's time.>>18040865>>18040868>>18040871Ahaha, there we go guys. Chinese is a PIE language now. WTF.What a joke.What a fucking retard.PIE is a joke.It always attracts idiots.
>>18040881>Chinese is a PIE language now.Always was. Seal script is related to cuneiform Elamite if you want visual evidence. No I'm not going to spoonfeed you, you've already proven you cannot look words up or figure out the political implications of using the word "lineage" for stock. (protip: they're genealogical)
>>18040896>Always was. Seal script is related to cuneiform Elamite if you want visual evidenceYou're just making shit up again.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages>No I'm not going to spoonfeed youyou just making shit up. You don't have anything to offer anyone.You can't just religiously follow PIE insanity when it suits you and then ignore it when it suits you.You're just an annoying idiot.
>>18039524>Not Aryan: slavsBut I read that jews mixing with poles was seen as mixing with aryans, and at least some poles were seen as aryans and could "germanize" themselves in a legalistic sense too.Schizo definition when it comes to the Third Reich.
>>18040807Now for a summary. What evidence supports the idea that *[ħár-(i̯o-s)] was a Proto-Indo-European ethnonym and that it was used as such in Europe?0) The word (*[ħári̯os]) existed in Europe in Celtic, Italic, and Germanic1) The word also existed in Indo-Iranian (of course)2) *[ħári̯o-(s)] was a common personal name or component of names in Europe in Celtic and Italic and sometimes a family name. Also a component of Germanic names.3) *[ħári̯os] was contrasted with "dā́sa"—a label which originally implied a person was a foreigner or enemy (i.e., non-Indo-European)—in both Sanskrit and Old Irish4) *[ħári̯os] is also used to refer to those who had traditionally Indo-European lifestyles and "dā́sa" for those who did non-Indo-European work5) the Celts, Germanics, and Indo-Iranians had a deity called *[ħári̯o-mṓn] who was originally understood to be their great ancestor and progenitor.6) the root *[ħar-] (earlier *[χar-]) was used as an ethnic designator in Anatolian (i.e., the Carians)7) European tribes (Celtic and Germanic) used the stem *[ħár-i̯o-] as their self-described name, i.e., as an ethnonym8) *[ħár-i̯o-] was used as an ethnonym in Indo-Iranian cultures.9) the Celtiberian inscription in Peñalba de Villastar may refer to Aryans collectively as if they had a collective ethnic identity which was communicated by the stem *[ħár-i̯-] (and its various endings)When a word is found in both Europe and Indo-Iranian, that suggests its existence in Proto-Indo-European. When the meanings of this word are similar and related in both Europe and Indo-Iranian, that suggests the meaning was similar in Proto-Indo-European.
>>18040908You're the one making things up. You even argued that lineage has nothing to do with race and stood by a mistranslation in order to infer that it was a dynasty.
>>18040940>You're the one making things upLike where?>>18040940>You even argued that lineage has nothing to do with raceSee, you are arguing that having "white" as a last name literally means "I'm white". What a fucking moron.>stood by a mistranslation in order to infer that it was a dynastyIN THE OLD PERSIAN EXAMPLE IT LITERALLY STATES LINEAGE. YOU PROVIDED A LAST NAME THAT DOESN'T DO THAT. YOU ARE A MORON.You're a fed.
>>18040954Let me break this down in case you couldn't find the dictionary: he names his dynasty and his nation separately. That means it necessarily has to be his race. You're literally too stupid to have a discussion with.
>>18040881>Where's the link for that translation?Here is a picture from the paper which quoted the inscription. In the next post I will post a machine translation of the relevant section.
>>18040967
>>18040926vague meaningless shit stacked upon vague meaningless shit. A reconstruction of a reconstruction of a reconstruction. >>18040959>Let me break this down in case you couldn't find the dictionary:I don't want your stupid pet translation that nobody else agrees with. You're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. If you're going to claim Chinese a PIE language ( Something no PIE agrees with ) You're just nothing.You're just talking to yourself about nothing that means nothing.
>you're a fedShouldn't you be jacking off to busty boys Simon?
>>18038632this is an extremely dishonest picture
>>18038815This is only mainstream in Western academia, not in Russia, or Eastern Europe. In Russia and E. Europe, there are two schools of interpretation, the Normanists, and the anti-Normanists, the original narrative was categorized by the Austrian historian and diplomat S. Herberstein some 190 years before Muller founded the Normanist school, and it denotes and verifies the Rurikids as elites of the Wagrians -a tribe of Pomeranian Slavs, later anti-Normanists, like Lomonosov, Gedeonov, Tatischev, and Xavier Marmier did the same and further elaborated this narrative.The Normanist narrative, which was given motion by Swedish and German statesmen and historians in the 18th century to proliferate the idea that Slavic people were incapable of self-organization and needed foreigners to rule over them - which is the trend that continues well into modernity - and gave firmer footing to the concept that Slavic people somehow owe their culture and heritage (and maybe even lands) to Germanic nobility. The theory emerged during the tenure of the first non-original Romanov ruler who was of the Holstein-Gottorp denomination, it's first and foremost an ahistorical and geopolitical manifestation, even the primary evidence for the Normanist narrative is the "Legend of the Invitation", which is an ahistorical event and mythologized recollection of events tailored in the form of the Flight of Aeneas, and is, immediately, several pages later, refuted by one of the earliest and most direct genealogical information about the origin of the ruling house of Russia, where it states that they (the Russes/Rus) were originally Slavic, and one people with the other Slavs, whereas the Varangians were foreign bodies to both the Russes, and the other Slavs - this is further verified in the Germanic Sagas where they openly denote the Varangians as Germanic, but not the Rurikids, who are regarded as foreigners.
>>18041139In modern times, DNA studies have all but disproved the Normanist theory, since the oldest confirmed historical Rurikid is Gleb Sviatoslavich, the bearer of a Proto-Slavic haplogroup I2a1b-Din Y-3120, he's the paternal grandson of Yaroslav the Wise, through his second-born son. The biggest Viking Age study, by Ashot Margaryan, confirmed it, and so did preceding, archaeological studies. Gleb's skeleton has the same wound to the skull that the historical Gleb suffered, and his Y-DNA is downstream of the same subclade as his modern, paternal relatives through Iziaslav, and his autosomes MATCH who he was 100% - he has minimal Germanic, is pred. Slavic, and has noted Mediterranean admixture from his ERE mother Kilikiya. Iziaslav is also archaeologically and genetically confirmed to be a Rurikid, end of discussion.
>>18038725>which literally had an elite with an Indo-Iranian supremacist identity over the Slavic massesFalse. Contemporary Polish literature did not distinguish between Sarmatians and Slavs, this supposed racial dichotomy is purely a Western extrapolation of migration era Germano-Roman relations.
>>18037521>Europeans have no right toKek
>>18036692Such a designation didnt never exist everywhere. Seems to me it only existed in caste based societies like Iranians, Celts, Germans, or Indians.Quite a few IE languages don't even have a word equivalent for aryans. Latin and Armenian for example don't.
>>18042495Just Iran and Indians writing about Iranians later.Your PIE IE hallucinations are just that.You can go home now fed anon.
>>18042495>Quite a few IE languages don't even have a word equivalent for aryans. Latin and Armenian for example don't.Armenian -> առյուծ -> aṙyuc -> Lion"Inherited from Old Armenian առիւծ (aṙiwc)"https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D5%A1%D5%BC%D5%B5%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%AEAncient Greek -> Ancient Latin -> aeria -> air, within the airThese are Just as close as your Celtiberian example.Seriously, anyone can do this kind of comparison all day to prove how stupid PIE theory is.And how stupid the people enamored by it really are.The amount of time you idiots waste to make non-existent connections for PIE instead of actually learning about pre-Abrahamic cultures and ethnicities is ridiculous.100% PIE theory is like 12-tone serialism in music. it's just an academic theory/discipline that was created to create a continuous revenue stream for academics that teach it.But also, PIE strikes me as having religious and globalist ulterior motive overtones too.A similar earlier bunk idea in Christianity is that all advanced cultures prior to Jesus were actually proto-Christian or proto-Jewish. So without knowing it, they were actually worshipping Yahweh.variations of the argument under different names are found throughout Catholic and Orthodox scholarly works.Praeparatio evangelica by Eusebius claims that all Ancient Greek culture actually derives from Hebrew culture.Justin Martyr in his first apology claims that pre-Christian pagans were actually teaching Christian principles without knowing it because the Christian God is the only true God.https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm
>>18042495>Latin and Armenian for example don't.It turns out Latin actually does. It is attested in personal names in Latin inscriptions on the Italian peninsula. That this word was inherited as "Arius" in Latin wasn't originally obvious because no dictionary lists it and it probably doesn't exist on paper literature, only inscriptions on stone. Here are some examples from Roman province Latium et Campania / Regio I (which is on the Italian peninsula). The inscription database gave 117 hits for the string " arius"publication: CIL 14, 03987province: Latium et Campania / Regio I place: Mentana / Nomentum>Ander[3] / Arius[3] / Narva[3] // Ian[3] / [3]lio su[publication: CIL 14, 00605province: Latium et Campania / Regio I place: Ostia Antica>D(is) M(anibus) / hic posi/tus est / Lucius / Arius / Asclepius / cum con iuge su/a Tucia Cr/ispina muliere / sancta>To the Manes. Here lies Lucius Arius Asclepius with his wife Tucia Crispina, a pious (or virtuous) woman.inscription genus / personal status: mulieres; tituli sepulcrales; viripublication: CIL 14, 04619province: Latium et Campania / Regio I place: Ostia Antica>] Arius Auctus / [3 sevir Aug]ust(alis) dec(urionum?) suff(ragiis?) / [3]ia Pelagia con/[iunx et 3] Aucta mater / [3]um> Arius Auctus. [Sevir Augustalis] by the votes of the decurions. [She] Pelagia, wife, and Aucta, mother, [made (this).]inscription genus / personal status: mulieres; viri>>18043123You are talking to someone else.Your Armenian and Greek examples only demonstrate that you do not understand how etymology works. Historical linguistics uses the comparative method to establish regular sound changes. The methodology is empirical and grounded in the scientific understanding of human speech. Historical linguistics does not allow one to arbitrarily connect words that look kind of sort of similar in a superficial way without any semantic relationship. The process of establishing real etymologies has become too formal and systematic.
>>18042627Go back to browsing busty boy pictures Simon
>>18036692>5'2 swarthoid churkovich is aryangerman race ideology was such a meme
>>18036692>behold, an aryan The Japanese are also aryan.
>>18043123Ayruc has never been used to describe "aryans" in their literature. Armenians have never been considered aryans either.>>18043250Latins used a cognate of aryan to exclusively to describe Iranics. What you wrote about arius is speculation. Romans didn't live in castes like Indians or iranians did to entertain false notions of nobility through aryanness. They were actually meritocratic.
>>18036692According to Gobineau, slavs are mongols and not aryan.
>>18039915>Most of the time, the Nazis used 'Aryan' as a synonym for non-Jewish.if you read hitler's manifesto, this is nonsense (even if it was what the majority of nazis believed). he actually believed in total germanic superiority, and that europe should be lorded over by the germanic peoples solely.
>>18043400>Latins used a cognate of aryan to exclusively to describe Iranics.There is no basis for your assertion.>What you wrote about arius is speculation.There is no speculation. The inscription database shows 117 hits for " arius" and that such inscriptions were found on the Italian peninsula (not all of them though). The inscriptions I've looked at so far use "Arius" as a personal name. The evidence here indicates "Arius" was a typical Roman name at some point but it must have fallen into obscurity.>Romans didn't live in castes like Indians or iranians did to entertain false notions of nobility through aryanness. They were actually meritocratic.Whether they lived in castes or not has no bearing on this issue. It's not clear what if any social function the word would have had in Italic culture. For example, because of the word's wider Indo-European use in ethnonyms, we cannot rule out that it was simply a reference to the person's ethnic background, even if this points to a distant past. For example, Indo-Iranian self-identification as "Aryan" is not dependent on the level steppe ancestry. It points to a cultural legacy.Furthermore, I do not understand how Romans being supposedly "meritocratic" has any relevance to whether or not the word was appropriate or native to Italic culture and its social classes, because Romans certainly had slaves. They had freemen too. In which case there is no reason why "Arius" couldn't have been a common name or title for a freeman (someone who isn't a slave).
>>18043250>Your Armenian and Greek examples only demonstrate that you do not understand how etymology works.Lol, see, I am talking to the exact same person. You're not following any strict etymological rules. You are just comparing things that seem vaguely similar. You're a joke. PIE is a joke.>>18043300>Go back to browsing busty boy pictures SimonWho the fuck is "Simon" you gay autistic faggot? >>18043387The modern domestic pig comes from east asia. No Japan though.>>18043400>Ayruc has never been used to describe "aryans" in their literature.You equated two vaguely similar sounding "proto-celtic" words that don't have the same meaning with "aryan" with Aryan.So by your own standards aṙiwc means "aryan".>>18043428>According to Gobineau, slavs are mongols and not aryan.Yep, completely meaningless political shit.>>18043437Yep, exactly. Hitler was just pro-German. That was it. Everything else is irrelevant.
>>18043428Incorrect, he describes them as a people totally analogous to the Celts, a white tribe that became mixed with it's Finnish slaves (though to an at times larger extent than the Celts themselves). Basically they became mutts before becoming a white high culture.
