>latinx and moorberians be like "noooo these larping protestants are actually satanic and ruined our glorious holy catholic empire o algo"
>>18037121If you had any knowledge of scottish rite masonry you'd understand. You wouldn't agree like I don't agree, but I understand. They aren't your goofy businessmen fumbling around with grimoires at the cookout.The english still obviously abetted revolution and conspired with the revolutionaries of Spanish America to the destroy the empire, btw. And in fairness, a lot of those very same revolutionaries were Masons. Not one got very far into masonry, but they were masons.
>>18037121Based masonic elite. Many great men were masons
>>18037293>If you had any knowledge of scottish rite masonry you'd understandIt was invented by Catholic Jacobites, hue.>The seed or the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence on the higher degrees may have been a careless and unsubstantiated remark made by John Noorthouk in the 1784 Book of Constitutions of the Premier Grand Lodge of London. It was stated, without support, that King Charles II (older brother and predecessor to James II) was made a Freemason in the Netherlands during the years of his exile (1649–60). However, there were no documented lodges of Freemasons on the continent during those years. The statement may have been made to flatter the fraternity by claiming membership for a previous monarch. This folly was then embellished by John Robison (1739–1805), a professor of Natural Philosophy at the University of Edinburgh, in an anti-Masonic work published in 1797. The lack of scholarship exhibited by Robison in that work caused the Encyclopædia Britannica to denounce it>A German bookseller and Freemason, living in Paris, working under the assumed name of C. Lenning, embellished the story further in a manuscript titled "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" probably written between 1822 and 1828 at Leipzig. This manuscript was later revised and published by another German Freemason named Friedrich Mossdorf (1757–1830). Lenning stated that King James II of England, after his flight to France in 1688, resided at the Jesuit College of Clermont, where his followers fabricated certain degrees for the purpose of carrying out their political ends>By the mid-19th century, the story had gained currency. The well-known English Masonic writer, Dr. George Oliver (1782–1867), in his Historical Landmarks, 1846, carried the story forward and even claimed that King Charles II was active in his attendance at meetings—an obvious invention, for if it had been true, it would not have escaped the notice of the historians of the time
>>18037319where do the magical blacks figure into this, brazilanon
>>18037319>The story was then repeated by the French writers Jean-Baptiste Ragon (1771–1862) and Emmanuel Rebold, in their Masonic histories. Rebold's claim that the high degrees were created and practiced in Lodge Canongate Kilwinning at Edinburgh are entirely false>James II died in 1701 at the Palace of St. Germain en Laye, and was succeeded in his claims to the English, Irish and Scottish thrones by his son, James Francis Edward Stuart (1699–1766), the Chevalier St. George, better known as "the Old Pretender", but recognized as James III & VIII by the French King Louis XIV. He was succeeded in his claim by Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charles"), also known as "the Young Pretender", whose ultimate defeat at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 effectively put an end to any serious hopes of the Stuarts regaining the British crowns>The natural confusion between the names of the Jesuit College of Clermont, and the short-lived Masonic Chapter of Clermont, a Masonic body that controlled a few high degrees during its brief existence, only served to add fuel to the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence in Freemasonry's high degrees. However, the College and the Chapter had nothing to do with each other. The Jesuit College was located at Clermont, whereas the Masonic Chapter was not. Rather, it was named "Clermont" in honor of the French Grand Master, the Comte de Clermont (Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Clermont) (1709–1771), and not because of any connection with the Jesuit College of Clermont
>>18037319>>18037321Even the French Rite, the most atheistic/satanic, was invented by Jacobites.>James II and VII (14 October 1633 O.S. – 16 September 1701) was King of England and Ireland as James II and King of Scotland as James VII from the death of his elder brother, Charles II, on 6 February 1685, until he was deposed in the 1688 Glorious Revolution. The last Catholic monarch of England, Scotland, and Ireland, his reign is now remembered primarily for conflicts over religion. However, it also involved struggles over the principles of absolutism and divine right of kings, with his deposition ending a century of political and civil strife by confirming the primacy of the English Parliament over the Crown>James's son James Francis Edward was recognised as king at his father's death by Louis XIV of France and James II's remaining supporters (later known as Jacobites) as "James III and VIII". He led a rising in Scotland in 1715 shortly after George I's accession, but was defeated. His son Charles Edward Stuart led a Jacobite rising in 1745, but was again defeated. The risings were the last serious attempts to restore the Stuart dynasty>According to a tradition dating to 1777, the first Masonic lodge in France was founded in 1688 by the Royal Irish Regiment of Foot Guards, (later known as the Regiment of Walsh of the famed Irish Brigade of France) which followed James II of England into exile, under the name "La Parfaite Égalité" of Saint-Germain-en-Laye. Historians believe this to be probable, but it has never been proven conclusively. The same can be said of the first lodge of English origin, "Amitié et Fraternité", founded in 1721 at Dunkirk. The first lodge whose existence is historically certain was founded by some Englishmen in Paris "around the year 1725". It met at the house of the traiteur Huré on rue des Boucheries, "in the manner of English societies", and mainly brought together Irishmen and Jacobite exiles
>>18037321did anyone explain to them how much time could have been saved if they devoted their worship to magical blacks instead of spinning their wheels about the temple of solomon o algo
>>18037325>It is quite probable that it was this lodge that in 1732 received official patents from the Grand Lodge of London under the lodge-name "Saint Thomas", meeting at the sign of the "Louis d'Argent", still on the rue des Boucheries>In 1728, the Freemasons decided to recognise Philip Wharton, 1st Duke of Wharton (1698–1731) as "Grand Master of the Freemasons in France". Wharton lived in Paris and Lyon from 1728 to 1729, and had already been Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of London in 1723. His appointment as French Grand Master, which was before the transformation of the "Grand Lodge of London" into the "Grand Lodge of England in 1738", is considered by some historians to be the point of departure for French Freemasonry and a declaration of its independence from British Freemasonry. Wharton was succeeded as Grand Master of the French Freemasons by the Jacobites James Hector MacLean (1703–1750) and then Charles Radcliffe, Earl of Derwentwater (1693–1746)>Philip Wharton, 1st Duke of Wharton PC (21 December 1698 – 31 May 1731) was an English peer and Jacobite politician who was one of the few people in the history of England, and the first since the 15th century, to have been raised to a dukedom whilst still a minor and not closely related to the monarch>While the existence of a Grand Master in France was attested to as early as 1728, it took another ten years for a true assembly of representatives from all the "English" and "Scottish" lodges to form the first Grande Loge de France on 24 June 1738 and establish Louis de Pardaillan de Gondrin (1707–1743), second Duke of Antin, as "general and perpetual Grand Master in the kingdom of France". It was this Grand Lodge that gave birth to the French Masonic jurisdictions that still exist today
>>18037325>Even the French Rite, the most atheistic/satanic, was invented by Jacobites.why didn't anyone tell the jacobites that they could just worship magical blacks to achieve their political goals?
>>18037328>Alexandre-Louis Roëttiers de Montaleau, born November 22, 1748 in Paris and died January 30, 1808 in the same city, was a French goldsmith, medalist, and Freemason>He was one of the leading figures of the Grand Orient of France, a Masonic obedience that owed its survival during the French Revolution to him, as well as the founding of numerous Masonic lodges. The testimonies of his contemporaries prove that the obedience's archives were saved by Roëttiers de Montaleau, who also played a prominent role in establishing the modern French Rite. For six years, after serving as general engraver of coins and auditor at the Chamber of Accounts, he served as director of the Paris Mint>Alexandre Roëttiers de Montaleau is the son of Jacques Roëttiers de la Tour, former general engraver of the British mints, who had been invested in 1732 with the office of goldsmith to the King of France and was to receive a diploma confirming his nobility in 1772. On his mother's side, he was the grandson of the king's goldsmith, Nicolas Besnier. He was the brother of Jacques-Nicolas, also a goldsmith and creator in 1770-1771 of the Orloff service commissioned by Catherine II>Deeply attached to the Stuarts, notably through the support of Jacques François Stuart and Jacques II, the Roëttiers de Montaleau family is thus in the Jacobite tradition
>>18037332>He chaired the governing body of the Grand Orient of France in 1799 and 1802. Heir to a substantial fortune and a noble title granted to his father, he embraced new ideas and viewed the Revolution with sympathy, but was imprisoned during the Terror after hiding the archives of the order. Roëttiers de Montaleau died on January 30, 1808. His religious funeral took place two days later, on February 1, at the Saint-Sulpice church in Paris. As for the Masonic lodges, they held numerous funeral ceremonies in his honor>Alexandre-Louis Roëttiers de Montaleau is a key figure in the history of French Freemasonry. He played a vital role in the Grand Orient of France from the 1780s until his death in 1808>Initiated at an imprecise date into the "L'Amitié" lodge in Paris, he was "raised to the rank of master" in Masonic terms in 1775. In this lodge, he served successively as Second Warden in 1775, Worshipful Master from 1778 to 1781 and from 1786 to 1778, a total of five years>On December 26, 1783, he was received into the Philanthropic Society of Paris and served on its executive committee from 1784 to 1787>Co-founder of the "Grand Chapitre Général," which transformed into the "Souverain Chapitre Métropolitain," de Montaleau was elected president on April 8, 1784, for approximately ten years, until 1793. As a deputy, he represented the chapters of Limoges, Rouen, Dieppe, and Aix-en-Provence>From 1770 to 1777, Roëttiers de Montaleau held various officer positions in the Chamber of Provinces, before becoming its president until 1794. After this period in the Chamber, he was venerable of approximately ten metropolitan lodges>The collective memory of Masons associates him more or less with two events: the survival of the Grand Orient during the Revolution and the establishment of the modern French Rite. Moreover, his career and personality are emblematic of a certain Masonic generation that passed the torch from the 18th to the 19th century
>>18037319>>18037325>>18037328>>18037332If anyone here wants to read more about this:https://ordoabchao.ca/volume-two/grand-lodgehttps://skirret.com/papers/schuchard-cabalistic.htmlhttps://www.1723constitutions.com/the-context/politics-religion/vying-for-influence/
>>18037344>form a secret society>don't even worship magical blacks to get resultsseems a bit pointless 2bh
>>18037319I know the history of the Masonic rites, Macaquinho. Though the main reason I brought it up is because it's the rite popular in France, hence continental Europe's main rite, etc. Also the Scottish rite was founded by a Frenchman.>>18037320They usually don't. Masonic esotericism is too formal for that. Latching onto magical savages is usually a case by case scenario.>>18037350What do you even get from making the same point over and over like a downie?
>>18037369could the freemasons have won if they worshiped magical blacks, brazilanon?
>>18037121But most of the guys who partook in revolts and repressive regimes in the region were, in fact, freemasons. It's like when you look at the early life section knowing someone is probably a jew.
>>18037369>Also the Scottish rite was founded by a FrenchmanYou should say a Huguenot, but he did not create the Scottish Rite in France, but in the Caribbean.>On Aug. 30, 1923, I again wrote to Mr. Wittmey in which letter I said:>"The information you have given me is very interesting as much as it shows the French Huguenot family of Pierre Morin established in New York City as early as 1692. However there must have been another Etienne Morin, besides the one born December 20, 1697 (VI)...">A French trader, by the name of Estienne Morin, had been involved in high-degree Masonry in Bordeaux since 1744 and, in 1747, founded an "Écossais" lodge (Scottish Lodge) in the city of Le Cap Français, on the north coast of the French colony of Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). Over the next decade, high-degree Freemasonry was carried by French men to other cities in the Western hemisphere. The high-degree lodge at Bordeaux warranted or recognized seven Écossais lodges there>In Paris in the year 1761, a patent was issued to Estienne Morin, dated 27 August, creating him "Grand Inspector for all parts of the New World". This Patent was signed by officials of the Grand Lodge at Paris and appears to have originally granted him power over the craft lodges only, and not over the high, or "Écossais", degree lodges. Later copies of this Patent appear to have been embellished, probably by Morin, to improve his position over the high-degree lodges in the West Indies>Morin returned to the West Indies in 1762 or 1763, to Saint-Domingue. Based on his new Patent, he assumed powers to constitute lodges of all degrees, spreading the high degrees throughout the West Indies and North America. Morin stayed in Saint-Domingue until 1766, when he moved to Jamaica. At Kingston, Jamaica, in 1770, Morin created a "Grand Chapter" of his new Rite (the Grand Council of Jamaica). Morin died in 1771 and was buried in Kingston
>>18037393Another guy who created his secret society in Haiti was the founder of Martinism.>Jacques de Livron Joachim de la Tour de la Casa Martinez de Pasqually (1727?–1774) was a theurgist and theosopher of uncertain origin. He was the founder of the l'Ordre de Chevaliers Maçons Élus Coëns de l'Univers – commonly referred to as the 'Elus Cohens' in 1761. He was the tutor, initiator and friend of Louis-Claude de Saint-Martin and Jean-Baptiste Willermoz>Certain similarities between Pasqually's theurgy and Portuguese hermetic thought led philosopher Sampaio Bruno (1857-1915) to argue that he was probably of Portuguese origin. In 1772 Pasqually went to collect an inheritance in the island of Hispaniola. Grainville, one of his fervent disciples, came from the Caribbean. He died within two years and appears to have influenced early mystic groups in the Caribbean>The Order of Knight-Masons Elect Priests of the Universe (French: Ordre des Chevaliers Maçons Élus Coëns de l’Univers) or simply Élus Coëns (sometimes misspelled ‘Elus Cohens’ or ‘Kohens’, Hebrew for ‘Elect Priests’), was a theurgical organisation founded by Martinez de Pasqually. It appeared in France in the second half of the 18th century and is the first branch of Martinist tradition, otherwise known as Martinezism
>>18037393 >>18037400 I would like to know if Bolívar was initiated into one of these during his stay in Haiti and Jamaica.>Bolívar began his military career in 1810 as a militia officer in the Venezuelan War of Independence, fighting Spanish and more native Royalist forces for the first and second Venezuelan republics and the United Provinces of New Granada. After Spanish forces subdued New Granada in 1815, Bolívar was forced into exile in the Republic of Haiti, led by Haitian revolutionary Alexandre Pétion. Bolívar befriended Pétion and, after promising to abolish slavery in South America, received military support from Haiti>Bolívar arrived in Kingston, Jamaica, on 14 May 1815 and, as in his earlier exile on Curaçao, ruminated on the fall of the Venezuelan and New Granadan republics. He wrote extensively, requesting assistance from Britain and corresponding with merchants based in the Caribbean. This culminated in September 1815 with the Jamaica Letter, in which Bolívar again laid out his ideology and vision of the future of the Americas. On 9 December, the Venezuelan pirate Renato Beluche brought Bolívar news from New Granada and asked him to join the Republican community in exile in Haiti. Bolívar tentatively accepted and escaped assassination that night when his manservant mistakenly killed his paymaster as part of a Spanish plot. He left Jamaica eight days later, arrived in Les Cayes on 24 December, and on 2 January 1816 was introduced to Alexandre Pétion, President of the Republic of Haiti by a mutual friend. Bolívar and Pétion impressed and befriended each other and, after Bolívar pledged to free every slave in the areas he occupied, Pétion gave him money and military supplies
>>18037416Doubtful. His experience with Masonry was in Paris.Here's an article about in Spanish.https://www.scielo.sa.cr/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1659-42232020000200001
>>18037121holy obsession, chikaner
>>18037456Even so, Columbian and Venezuelan Freemasonry was imported from the Caribbean.>The history of Freemasonry in Colombia begins in 1808 with the establishment of the lodge Las Tres Virtudes Teologales in Cartagena de Indias. This lodge was chartered by the Provincial Grand Lodge of Jamaica>The origins of Freemasonry in Venezuela are believed to have originated in Trinidad. Historian Caracciolo Parra Pérez posits that Mariño was one of the greatest figures in the history of Freemasonry in Venezuela, although he was apparently initiated in Trinidad. He was awarded the title of "Serenismo Gran Maestro del Gran Oriente Nacional" ('The Most Serene Grand Master of the Great National East", a title equivalent to the modern Grand Master)
Anti-Masonry is baby's first conspiracy theory. Protip: if there are dozens of documentaries on Netflix/The History Channel about a group of supposed conspirators, it's guaranteed to be a smokescreen.Masonry is just a drinking club for men to get away from their wives and talk politics and business. Did they overthrow monarchies 300 years ago? Yes, but these days their power is vastly overstated. It's just a way to hire nepotistically for small local businesses.
>>18038148slow day isn't it, Juan
