What does /his/ think about the view of traditional buddhists (AKA eastern practisioners) viewing him as a bodhisattva? They don't see him as a buddha because he's still around, supposedly.
That's really just their way of making sense of foreign religions.
>>18041202>bodhisattvaNothing in common. Jesus is Deva
>>18041230>DevaNo, Devas/Celestials are people being rewarded by their good actions in the heavenly planes. However, they will resurrect back into being a shitty human eventually, because they have not trascended the cursed cicle of rebirth
>>18041215and what about the idea of Jesus being heavely influenced by buddhism? Something about his forgotten years?
>>18041269From a Buddhist perspective, Jesus is a Deva. Faith in God and worship of Him meets all the requirements. He also (like many mythical deities and beings) threatens hell, saying that bad things will happen to those who don't believe in Him. This is a classic, I don't know why, but apparitions of the Virgin Mary (many of which are demonic) also demand worship. In Japanese folklore, there were beings who demanded worship or told how to depict them, otherwise there would be a plague, or who could give something or tell someone to depict them. When some died, people with images/signs survived (by the way, in the Old Testament, the Jews survived the plagues of Egypt because they inflicted a sign on their doors).I don't know why this is necessary, but it's something from Hermeticism, Gnosticism, and the Archon theme. I think people somehow transfer their energy to them.
>>18041286It's retarded heresy.
>>18041387Buddhist devas are not immortal.[14] Their lives as devas began some time in the past when they died and were reborn. They live for very long but finite periods of time, ranging from thousands to (at least) billions of years.[9]Buddhist devas do not create or shape the world.[15] They come into existence based upon their past karmas and they are as much subject to the natural laws of cause and effect as any other being in the universe. They also have no role in the periodic dissolutions of worlds.Buddhist devas are not incarnations of a few archetypal deities or manifestations of a god; nor are they merely symbols. They are considered to be, like humans, distinct individuals with their own personalities and paths in life.[16]Buddhist devas are not omniscient nor omnipotent. Their powers tend to be limited to their own worlds, and they rarely intervene in human affairs. When they do, it is generally by way of quiet advice rather than by physical intervention.Buddhist devas are not morally perfect. The devas of the worlds of the Rūpadhātu do lack human passions and desires, but some of them are capable of ignorance, arrogance and pride. The devas of the lower worlds of the Kāmadhātu experience the same kind of passions that humans do, including (in the lowest of these worlds) lust, jealousy, and anger. It is, indeed, their imperfections in the mental and moral realms that allegedly cause them to be reborn in these worlds.Buddhist devas are not to be considered as equal to a Buddhist refuge. While some individuals among the devas may be beings of great moral authority and prestige and thus deserving of a high degree of respect and veneration (in some cases, even being enlightened practitioners of the Dharma), no deva can ultimately be taken as the way of escape from saṃsāra or control one's rebirth. The highest honors are reserved to the Three Jewels: Buddha, Dharma, and Saṅgha. [17]
>>18041387This >>18041419 I gathered from wikipedia
>>18041416About that, you should know that early christianity was influenced by buddhism to some extent
>>18041387>He also (like many mythical deities and beings) threatens hellBuddhism also threatens hell, not for not believing in buddhism but for sinning although in mahayana buddhism you go to the deepest realm of hell if you insult the lotus sutra or kill a buddhist monk/buddha.
>>18041202meh, not really. They had completely opposite messages, albeit with very similar methods of delivering it. Jesus was an "Indo-European Avatar" of the Sky Father and Earth(ly) Mother, like many other such characters, but he wasn't "Buddhist", or even Vedic in his teachings. Quite the opposite. The Buddha said there is no self, soul, and we should want to escape the Circle of Life(and therefore Death) forever, etc....Jesus said the opposite. The soul is all that matters and you get to "live" forever, if you only believe. Two hippies. One was practical. One was a dreamer. "Jesus promises everything and delivers nothing. The Buddha promised nothing and delivers everything." -Nietzsche
>>18041469Depending on the school, there are zillions of possible hells and they're absurdly ridiculous punishments in each, like falling off a cliff for a thousand years, while your flesh is ripped off and burned in front of you. The saving grace is knowing that Hell and punishment is also "impermanent", so you'll get out eventually and be reincarnated to start the whole mess over.
>>18041387This>>18041469Buddhism doesn't threaten, there's no one threatening. For Buddhism, atleast in the minds of the lay, law of karma is merely self-evident cause-effect and as such good are rewarded with good, bad are rewarded with bad. So people are responsible for their own salvation and their own doom. If you punch a concrete wall, Buddha isn't the one punishing you with bleeding knuckles. Similar in the mind, bad intentions -> bad action -> bad habits -> bad results. There's no buddha/god/demon involved in the process at any level.
>>18041434why do people on the history board say things that are extremely ahistorical. there were no buddhists in roman judea or anywhere in the roman empire for that matter in the first century
>>18041992Sure there was. One famous is the Zaramanoschegas(A Sramana acharya). Who was an Indian religious person that became famous around the Levant area, right around the time of Jesus. And thats not a surprise given that Roman trade with the Indian world was very extensive. Further even older is the Alexander's ties with Buddhist world that became the hotspot for the rise/spread of Mahayana Buddhism where Greeco-Indian kingdoms merged and prospered for centuries with mixed cultural/linguistic/philosophical/etc. Furthermore, the Greek philosophers would travel to India to learn from Indian religious phiosophers and the similarity between various Greek/Indian philosophy came about. Furthermore, Strabos was even writing about Menander the Greeco-Buddhist king of Greeco-Indian empire of Bactria during the time of Jesus.
>>18041387>From a Buddhist perspective, Jesus is a Deva. Faith in God and worship of Him meets all the requirements.He never asked to be worshipped. He tried to teach. Teachers are not gods.
Buddhist ascendants ('Buddha' types) are what happens to followers of God that begin to maximize their potential largely without any help or intervention from their local God. God avatars ('Jesus' types) are what happens when God needs to directly intervene with a section of reality in order for a new plotline archetype to be engraved into the fabric of reality so that the new child souls within that quadrant of space form a new conquest of heaven to expand and expel from that area to confront the forces of evil across their local cosmos.You would do well to view all religion within the scope of warfare. Good God is in a constant battle against evil. Buds (buddies) are largely neutrals primed to be converted and recruited into the war effort. It isn't mind control, you're both extremely compatible with one another. They're largely self sustaining and mutual with the catholic/christian/judaist ideals and ready to be soldiers for God, but their fundamental desire for an 'all encompassing nirvana' can get in the way until you explain to them that nirvana is what catholics/christians/judaists also strive for after the war is won. Buds are just so... self content... that they're largely blind/psychically deaf to the evil competing civilizations spread across the cosmos that are yet to be won.Just understand that, as Earthers, you're all on the same side once all this caveman era nationalism nonsense is technologically innovated into extinction and you evolve into the fully fledged space age, and then beyond that, as milkywayers, you're yet again all on the same side versus andromeda.It will be quite the collision.
>>18042139You will continue on after this collision, benevolently saving, recruiting and converting all encountered sentient beings, until all blackholes and equivalent mass objects are under your full jurisdiction. You will then orient the full energy of these combined von neumann probe galaxies to continue the conquest until all galaxies are purged of malevolence, evil is extinguished, and all matter subjugated by utopia loving beings. In this journey you will solve the puzzles of The Last Question and The Last Answer and all beings will finally be at true peace as the once secret mechanisms that control the 'Big Bang' phenomena are utilized to create the next era of Heaven.
>>18041202It makes sense. Buddhism is not a very exclusionary faith as long as new additions don't come into conflict with it's metaphysics. Sure add Jesus into the list, he sounds pretty wise, after all.> They don't see him as a buddha because he's still around, supposedly.No, they don't see him as a Buddha because he didn't teach what the Buddha taught. Among other things.>>18041286Made up by Theosophists in the 19th century.
>>18041286Plausible, but not probable. And has no hard evidence, there's some truth about buddhism being present in levant at the time, and in the roman empire, but it was a tiny factor that is not likely to have major influence.
>>18042150>Made up by Theosophists in the 19th century.The "lost years", which are simply left out of the gospels, were not made up in the 19th century.Although to be fair the Freemasonic Theosophists did make up a very great deal in order to con people into tagging along with their new age orientalist occult LARP.Jesus probably did travel extensively to both the east and to the west. He would have done this to make contact with the remnants of the lost tribes of Israel scattered by Assyria, who were in Persia and the western isles, and in other places, some of whom would occasion to make pilgrimage to Jerusalem as evidenced in Acts. These are among the places in the bible where it's written the lost tribes went after all. Perhaps he went further east than that and reached India. Lots of people think he went to Britain too with his great uncle, along the tin trading route which had been in use for millennia. An old story.When he says the faith of the Roman centurion was stronger than that of any he had met in *Israel*...Notice he didn't say Judea. The kingdom of Israel hadn't existed for a very long time before his birth.He was rather referring to the entire nation constituted by the tribes of Israel which were broadly distributed to the east and west, that he had personally spent some years seeking out. Not just the remnant of it still dwelling in Jerusalem and Alexandria. Since that was his part of his mission to begin with, to regather the scattered tribes. Lost sheep of the house of Israel, many from east and west to sit with Abraham, etc, and all that.Adds a certain weight to his compliment that most people simply don't pick up on.His apostles later sent out disciples (like Aristobulus) along the routes he took, which is why some of the pastoral letters are addressed to the 12 tribes. He told them how to find them. Of course these were ancient, well known and traveled trade routes for the most part so it shouldn't be a real surprise if it's true.
>>18041286Until we anchor Jesus into a historical document other than the bible, your statement is meaningless. We know Apollonius went to India, and he was very philosophically minded. Is that who you're referring to?
>>18041387It's interesting to hear how Asians see Christianity
>>18043763Nippon Isis (aka Holy Hentai)
>>18043449>The "lost years", which are simply left out of the gospels, were not made up in the 19th century.No. But the idea that he went to India and learned with the sacred masters of gobbledygook is.We don't know anything about the life of Jesus from twelve to twenty nine AD. That doesn't mean you can insert whatever you fancy into it.As for all that text. You can speculate all you want. No evidence either way, though it is quite improbable.
>>18044392Thomas (Didymus /"The Twin" of Jesus) is said to have gone to Indian, which is where the Buddhist Jesus meme comes from. Now, "India" was really just the Indus Valley and Bactria, and there had been Greeks and Romans in those areas going back to Alexander, so Jesus and Thomas may have gone to somewhere slightly East of Persia, but not down deep in to central and south India itself. "India" was really Pakistan and Afghanistan at this time.
Jesus wasn't a moral person. He is claimed to have said "Not one line from the law would be erased". So he supported death penalties, offensive wars, slavery, debt bondage etc.He also claimed to have come ONLY for his own people, what kind of liberator is that?
>>18044392>>18044392>improbablethe ancient world was much more connected than most are lead to believecertainly Alexander the Great made the world a lot "smaller", at least in the eastward directionthing is, by Jesus' day the Romans had also made it "smaller" in the western direction tootravel in both directions would have been expedited significantly compared to the days of Socrates, and even then you have at the minimum surviving writings detailing people's travels over long distances>where the Buddhist Jesus meme comes from>he went to India and learned with the sacred masters people who haven't actually reflected on Jesus' teachings truly don't know how deeply rooted in the Old Testament they actually are, nor how many references he draws upon to explain his commandments and teachings to his audiencehis philosophy isn't some alien intrusion from another religion, it's concepts are firmly planted in 2nd Temple Judaism and his culture's social contractthis whole schtick about how similar to Buddhism his teaching is, and how he must have learned it from eastern masters or even the "ascended ones" (rofl Blavatsky cultists), a lie designed primarily to con poorly educated Christians into entertaining another religious framework (in this case, one that is actually pilfering heavily and clumsily from legitimate eastern traditions by picking and choosing concepts to form a kind of blasphemous Frankenstein monster skinsuit false religion to veil their luciferian doctrines) by convincing them Jesus was actually just a relay for their own ideas the whole time and to sneak in the thought that he is not divine at all (their true end goal being an overthrow of the church)boiling the frog slowly, so to speak>We don't know anything about the life of Jesus from twelve to twenty nine AD. Sure, all we can do is make inferences like the ones I made earlier ITT from what he says.That is, if we arbitrarily restrict ourselves to the words found in the bible.cont
>>18044899After all, it's written...25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.To me the remnant of ancient Jewish communities (Cochin Jews are known to have been there since at least the first century AD, probably earlier and some claim to have been there since Solomon) found in India suggests that if it were his mission to do so, that would be a sensible extension of his eastern ride. But for all this travel to be feasible, you would have to consider that he had some familiarity with Greek. Effectively that he was bilingual as a result of his living circumstances, as was common among the Hellenized communities surrounding and within Galilee itself.Which is also supported by the gospels, I might add. The episode with the Greek crowd approaching Andrew and Philip (Greek names of his apostles) to speak with Jesus, and him them addressing them directly (the idea that Andrew and Philip would have to translate for Jesus doesn't make much sense, since it begs the question why they are effectively bilingual while Jesus is not) concerning the Archon of the Kosmos and the light comes to mind.Food for thought; Greek, as a lingua franca, being something he could draw upon would make the idea of long distance travel much easier. And it would make communicating with the many urban Jews who primarily spoke Greek in their daily lives easier, not to mention it would provide yet another plausible source for him to learn about the language and people.And where else would his family have fled to in Egypt, than Alexandria? The effective capitol of Hellenized Judaism. It's more likely than not he was exposed to that language from a young age, even if his more rural home would have been predominately Aramaic and rustic.
>>18044921>Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers(20) And there were certain Greeks.—Comp. Note on John 7:35, where we have the same word in the original, and Acts 6:1; Acts 9:29; and Acts 11:20. They were not Hellenists, i.e., Greek Jews, but Hellenes, i.e., Gentiles.Among them that came up to worship at the feast.—The words imply that they were in the habit of going up to Jerusalem at the feasts, i.e., that though Greeks by birth, they had been admitted to the privileges of Judaism. They belonged to the class known as “Proselytes of the Gate.” (Comp. Notes on Matthew 23:15 and Acts 8:27.)>Barnes' Notes on the BibleCertain Greeks - In the original, "some Hellenists" - -the name commonly given to the Greeks. The same name was commonly used by the Jews to denote all the pagan nations, because most of those whom they knew spoke the Greek language, John 7:34; Romans 1:16; Romans 2:9-10; Romans 3:9. "Jews and Greeks." The Syriac translates this place, "Some of the Gentiles." There are three opinions in regard to these persons:1. that they were Jews who spoke the Greek language, and dwelt in some of the Greek cities. It is known that Jews were scattered in Asia Minor, Greece, Macedonia, Egypt, etc., in all which places they had synagogues. See the notes at John 7:35,2. that they were proselytes from the Greeks.3. that they were still Gentiles and idolaters, who came to bring offerings to Yahweh to be deposited in the temple. Lightfoot has shown that the surrounding pagans were accustomed not only to send presents, sacrifices, and offerings to the temple, but that they also frequently attended the great feasts of the Jews. Hence, the outer court of the temple was called the court of the Gentiles. Which of these opinions is the correct one cannot be determined.
>>18044940>Matthew Poole's CommentaryIt is not easy to be determined what these Greeks were; whether Jews, who, being scattered in the Grecian country upon the conquests which the Grecians had made upon the Jews under Alexander the Great, and those who succeeded him, still remained in those countries, but kept so much of the religion of their country, as to come up to the passover; or Gentiles, which are ordinarily called Greeks in contradistinction to the Jews, Acts 14:1 16:1 18:17 Romans 1:16 1 Corinthians 1:23,24 Ga 3:28. But it is most probable that they were Gentiles; for though some say that the Jews would never have suffered the Gentiles to have come into the temple to worship, yet the contrary is plain from the instance of the eunuch, Acts 8:27; who was a heathen, and came to Jerusalem to worship. And, Acts 17:4, we read of a great multitude of devout Greeks; in the Greek the word is sebomenwn, worshipping Greeks. And it is plain that from the beginning there was a liberty for strangers, not of Israel, but such as came out of a far country, for the Lord’s name’s sake; and Solomon prayeth at the dedication of the temple, that the Lord would hear them, 1 Kings 8:41-43: and there was belonging to the temple a court of the Gentiles for that purpose; it is called the court without the temple, Revelation 11:2. What worship they there performed is a greater question: some think they only prayed; others think they offered sacrifices in that court, from /Apc /APC 2Ma 3:35; but certain it is, that there were divers of the Gentiles devoutly disposed, that, hearing of the Jewish temple, and the solemn worship performed there at their solemn feasts, came, some as spectators at those great conventions, others with a true design to worship the God of the Jews.
>>18044942Jesus' seeming familiarity with Greek religious and philosophical concepts associated with the Archons (namely, the middle platonic Demiurge representing the power of death and Satan in this case) and specific choice of words in this instance would be confusing, given the common characterization in certain circles of him as a dirt poor, bigoted, illiterate hick who never walked more than ten miles from his hometown during the many years between his coming of age and the start of his ministry, who knows only the Aramaic language and can speak only of scripture that he has heard others recite. That being, the merely hypothetical "historical Jesus", a concept that all to often actually ignores most of the critical historical context surrounding his life and the details we can glean from the writings of his followers.This characterization is woefully inadequate IMO, and completely ignores the many passages that suggest that not only that his immediate family were of no small means (since so many completely discount the possibility that he really did recieve all those expensive gifts, including gold, for being born) but that his extended family were likely somewhat more wealthy and influential.And this would make great sense in light of his several parables and teachings concerning financial responsibility, and advice for those who would wisely invest.Once you put this minimalist cardboard cutout caricature of Jesus behind you (think about the famous "historical Jesus" reconstruction image haters love posting over and over again, how this is their canard), this kind of episode from scripture begins to make more sense.
>>18044940>It is known that Jews were scattered in Asia Minor, Greece, Macedonia, Egypt, etc., in all which places they had synagogues.I think you mean Phoenicians which were actually Canaanites. Greeks called them Phoenicians, and they called themselves Canaanites. Phoenician and Canaanite are one and the same. We know very well that Phoenicians were scattered across the Mediterranean, so we know by default that Canaanites were too. We know "Jews" had synagogues, so we know by default that Canaanites had synagogues across the Mediterranean.
>>18044899>this whole schtick about how similar to Buddhism his teaching is, and how he must have learned it from eastern masters or even the "ascended ones" (rofl Blavatsky cultists), a lie designed primarily to con poorly educated Christians into entertaining another religious frameworkI think you need to step back and look at what Buddha represented to Hinduism/Brahminism and compare that to what Jesus represented to Judaism/Phariseeism. It's the same role.
>>18044440This is a great point, and it also highlights where the Brahmins actually come from (ie, not the subcontinent).
>>18045154it's not, but that's still an interesting takeJesus is the sacrifice that fulfills a punitive law that had been given to a certain people for a specific reason long ago, and his teachings constitute an outline of terms for a *new* covenant to be made with all men for their salvation through faithfulness and the truthBuddha *appears* to die naturally, but really that's just appearances the dharma law has essentially *always* been in effect and applicable to all entities celestial, ghostly, animalistic, or human, and he merely teaches people how to escape the saha world through cultivation practicesJesus' law doesn't really apply to animals, and the new covenant isn't made with angels either to my knowledgemaybe I'm mistaken, it happens wouldn't be the end of the worldit's worth noting that the covenant of Noah actually was made with all flesh, howeverJesus actually dies, and comes back visibly after descending into hellunlike the invisible presence of the Buddha nature which permeates all things and is no-self, Christ as the image of God is fully personal and yet as the principle of creation called Logos also permeates and allows all creation to persistso there are definitely some parallels, but to say they play the *same* role is inaccuratenot an expert on Buddhism, so feel free to correct me about anatman and Buddha naturebut for what it's worth, there's significant speculation that rather than Christianity being influenced by Buddhism, it's rather Mahayana which was influenced by Christianity and that is why it's different from Theravada anyways, Avalokitesvara has always seemed to me a cleaner Jesus parallel in Buddhism than Shakamuni himselfsomething to look into for you maybe
>>18045265Some fair points. The details make it seem to fall apart, but I think the primary idea is a man teaching the ideals of the godhead (high energy integrated intuition and rationalism) to a group of people in a cult, which pissed off the cult leaders and in one case ultimately got him killed. This is symbolically Lucifer who became Bodhisattva. The man who makes it to the top then stays behind to help others.
>>18045158Bactria would've been the coolest time and place ever.
>>18041286Parallels with Buddhism might be archetypal rather than causal.
Avalokitesvara -son of Buddha born from a ray of light that emanated from Amitabha, is a luminous being, the source of light-hears the cry of all suffering beings-swears off buddahood until all beings escape samsara-is called the Lord of Creation, because he created the fourth world (human world) or at least it was created through him-his most well known attribute is mercy-said to be the essence of the speech (word) of all the buddhas and the incarnation of their compassion-simply calling on his name can save you -is sometimes represented with a rope and net, which is dragged all over the world to save people as if they were fish-compared to a lion-descended into hell -Tibetans claim to be his chosen peopleFor the record, does this sound at all familiar yet?To be clear, it appears to most scholars (at least from the review I've done) that Guanyin's ur-cult is probably no older than the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. To me, this seems like a very compelling correlation with the life of Jesus and advent of Christianity itself. Meaning rather than the commonly forwarded line that Buddhism influenced Christianity, it's possible that contact with early Nestorian missionaries could have spurred innovation within certain Buddhist circles instead. Who knows, maybe even Jesus himself could have taught in the east at some point and this would evidence some kind of memory of this event.>>18046162There are archetypes, and then there are coincidences of detail. One coincidence is an anomaly, several constitute a pattern.
>>18046259Avalokiteshvara is the Buddhist appropriate of Shiva, you'd have to draw Shiva-Christ parallels and Shiva is presented as a totally different figure to Jesus even if they both represent theologically higher and overlapping concepts
>>18042107The one who burnt himself alive in Athens?
>>18046162There's a lot of truth to this, particularly once you realize the connection between Hellenism and Buddhism. Even before Alexander pushed all the way east to Bactria, you had the Persians whose god founder himself Perseus was a son of Zeus. Then, there's the "Ionian" connection from Pythagoras to all of Greek philosophy. Ionian seems to be both Phoenician and Persian. In Pythagoras's day, Ionia was Persian. In more ancient times, it was Hittite or Phoenician.
>>18046259>>18046162>>18046543There's likely a strain of causal connection to the older PIE religious worship of the sun/sky father. Similarly, Vairocana is the lord of the sun(Avalokitesvara is lord of the world), and Vairocana is Avalokitesvara's real form, a multi universal buddha. And I personally think the Nestorian missionary had the reverse effect of influencing the direction of Christianity. Afterall, look at Christianity's monastic orders, mudras of Jesus, the prayer beads/malas, and so on. These are clearly transposed upon early forms of Christianity and the influence was so great that it became the dominant form of Christianity for a long time. It wasn't until the Protestent reformations and such that Christianity started divorcing itself from the monastic order. Christianity as understood for most of history from early on was basically heavily influenced by Buddhist's outward form and this influence comes directly from the Nestorians who had copied heavily from Buddhism. To the point where the Chinese Tang Dynasty had to put a ban on Nestorians because they had imitated Buddhism so much in the outward form.
>>18046259The embodiment of compassion motif is already present in Mahāyāna sutras before Christianity reached anywhere near Central Asia.
>>18046259>son of Buddha born from ray of lightBuddha gained the halo/sun/moon/wheels and spokes motif long before Jesus. The wheels/spokes is one of the oldest symbolism for Buddha, along with Buddha's symbolism as the sunlight/rays of light shining bright in the dark night. >hears the cry of all suffering beingsstandard buddhism>delay buddhahoodBodhisattva is standard mahayana and even is referenced in theravada and these developed centuries before Jesus were born>compassionateStandard Buddhism>lord of creation/mercifulStandard Hindu influence from Shiva>essence of word/speech/name callingImportance of mantra in Buddhism and Indian religions>rope/netThat metaphor is ancient in India, particular in Buddhism where rope/net is extremely abundant and used to explain karma/delusion/causality/etc. Its older than Jesus>lionLions are symbol of royalty, particularly Indian royalty, so Buddha has always been seen as such>descended in hellParticularly because he's a future Buddha that is undergoing various reincarnation. And in the hell, he's shown to have infinite compassion for all beings. This is a stark difference from Jesus/Christianity where hell is a realm that rejects Jesus and he never once looked back, instead curses others to hell, including trees>Tibetans claim to be his chosen peopleStandard lore for every culture to be the special people to unite the country.
>>18046543The Ionians are mentioned in the very earliest Buddhist texts and Greeks were among the Buddha's first disciples. They even brought the practice of writing as a whole, which did not exist in India prior to their arrival. All part of the Ur-Indo-European mythos. It is very deep and very wide.
